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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ecke-109- on January 27, 2004, 07:26:32 AM
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First i got a profanity message because i typed 'shiit' with a double 'i'. I didnt insult someone. I dont know exactly..i described something.
This was funny in the very first moment. And told the community. Then Karaya translated it to german 'scheise'. And when i corrected him to scheisse (if you dont have a 'ß' you must write a double s), the mod whipped me.
I found it strange because i didnt insult anyone with the word 'shiit' before.
There is no need for a profanity msge when you write shiit or even ****.
Thats puritan.
Once my brother has been (? damn grammar) visited by some american friends. Nice and gentle they were. And in every second sentence they used the word '****'. hey...some words are in common use.
On the other hand it is possible (and in common use) to insult someone in a really bad manner. As you can read from time to time in the chat. You should just avoid using the word **** or similar.
I know that i was not muted because i wrote 'scheisse'. I was muted because i answered the mod that i will write the german translation to the ugly word the next time instead of getting a profanity message. Probably, this undermined his authority.
Hello HTC
Its good and important to have a moderator online. But, besides the costs, this must happen regularly AND actions must depend to the context.
This would allow the mod to know me as a 99,99% gentleman. No kidding.
It was unnecessary what happend.
Ecke
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Duh... **** is a swearword. What did you expect?
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I was muted because i answered the mod that i will write the german translation to the ugly word the next time instead of getting a profanity message.
If you said that to me, you would have been ejected. Why do you think you should push the edge when some one warns you?
HiTech
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I agree HT.
But this all would have not happend if the mod takes action more carefully and always looking to the context.
When a country mate types i.e. :'we lost A21! And i answer :'shiit',
there is certainly no need for the moderator to wake up.
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Originally posted by hitech
If you said that to me, you would have been ejected. Why do you think you should push the edge when some one warns you?
HiTech
See how this is not working? If I understand correctly, he did not get muted for what he said when he said it. He got muted for saing he may say something in the future. And when he does say it in the future, he will not get muted.
Not a whine, just and observation. Mods are definetly needed :aok
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He got muted for saing he may say something in the future. And when he does say it in the future, he will not get muted.
To describe it corect: I was muted for 10mins after i corrected Karayas translation on ch1.
Edit: But that is not really the point.
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Ecke - I think it's a bit of an America thing. It's a country in which those words aren't even allowed on network TV - even after 9pm - and a country in which TV ads for alcoholic drinks are not allowed to show the product actually being consumed. You can toast, you can pour, but you can't drink.
Britain is very different. Admittedly, when every other word is F, things are bad. But even the C word has been aired on TV (Bruce Dern to Jane Fonda in "Coming Home"). I suspect that Germany is more like Britain than America with regard to attitudes towards profanity.
I've been muted once or twice in AH. The first time was when I was gunner in a buff, and I spoke to my pilot privately, expressing exasperation that our enemy had just captured a field. I used the S word. That was when I found out we had a profanity filter.
Another occasion was when I was making an innocuous remark about a female dog. We can talk about male sheep as in deliberate collisions, but not female dogs.
Then I found out that the kiddie Brit word for a young kitten was on the taboo list!
It's funny how some human output words are allowed, and some are not. If the S word is banned, why not the P word? So some guys spell the S word with a C, making a word that means a small bill or account. Why bother? Everyone knows what they want to say.
Still, back when we could do polls on this BBS, I did a poll asking people what they thought of the profanity filter. The vast majority of people voted to leave it the way it is.
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S! HTC
for upseting those that don't get it and never will.
every whine like this one is a testiment to the success of the mod system.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Ecke - I think it's a bit of an America thing.
The vast majority of people voted to leave it the way it is.
My 6 year old grandson spells. He is also not allowed to swear. He also is allowed to fly AH on occasion. Guess I'm old fashioned, but I like the HT environment as it is.
"Born & raised in the USA!"
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I've seen many a masked swear word on channel 1 and its clear that its only being typed in order to say a masked swear word.........
I've seen folk joke about child molestation.............
I've seen folk joke about pedophilia..........
I've seen folk joke about terrorism............
I've seen folk joke about mass murder..............
I've seem blatant........... racism, castism, nationalism (as opposed to patriotism) and a few other 'isms eqaully unpaletable.
I've seen insults hurled against the .......... wives, mothers, children of those playing.
and the common thread is that this has been done for effect and not done to communicate.................. .......
Whilst we have idiots on channel 1 (and range) we need moderators.............and if they tread on a few toes now and then its OK by me.
Even if sometimes its my toes
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I've seen some very hateful stuff go unpunished on Ch. 1. Hateful words directed towards an entire race, slams against religions, all that good stuff. The people who did this kept ranting on too...no mute. Ecke gets muted for saying ****?
Give me a break HTC...get rid of these clown moderators.
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Well, just my $.02 worth.
Bottom line is that this is not an old boys club, that meets in someones basement, smokes cigars, drinks whiskey etc.
There are alot of minors who are active in all arenas at any given time. If you wouldn't behave like that in front of them in real life, why on earth would you feel you have the right to behave like that online?
Profanity is pretty well understood by all. There are really no "secret" swear words. When we use them we are fully aware of the implication.
To say that "well, I didn't say the actual word, I mean i even spelled it differently!", is irrelevent. The implication is there.
HTC owes it to its customer base to provide a fun and hassle/harrasment free environment. That is what we pay for.
Kids are like parrots to a certain degree. They will behave as they see others behave, so why encourage it?
That is really the point.
cheers,
RTR
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Ecke, I went and looked you were giving a very polite warning.
"please do not use profanity"
then 2 mins later you were muted. I assume this was for the language statement.
Now your basic argument is that you were muted but "Hey theres other stuff worse than what i did" just dosn't cut it. I belive you were muted for arguing the point of simply being asked not to use profanity. Frankly arguing is much worse than any kind of slip up because it implies that you don't wish to follow the rules.
The real point is you were asked politly, modirators are not realy over zellious but when they ask something, and some one basicly sais screw you, ill just do what i want around the rules they realy have no choice but to mute them. The modirators help me out emensly,they are just enforcing my rules, not making them,and if you decide to pick a small fight with them, don't be surprised that you end up loosing.
HiTech
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Even the King James version of the bible contains the word "piss". And in some versions, the S word is used in the same verse.
Isaiah, chapter 36 verse 12 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa036.html#12)
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Hitech is there a way to know if it's the filter acting or a modérator ?
I got muted some month ago when typing in french ...
But I was not using bad words (even in french) I think it was just a bad combinaison of words ...
For instance I got the mute by typing "ball on" (being a bad typing I typed "ball on" instead of "ballon") and a "ballon" for me is this :
(http://home.nordnet.fr/~jrmasson/fournes/imagef/ballon.jpg)
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Very interesting and informative thread. I need to fly more often. I miss out on all the fun.
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People arguing for the use and acceptance of profanity? LOL!!!
Yeah, profanity improves the quality or life!
Give me a break. :(
Hey, how about we start expressing the virtues of racism or necrophilia.
Look, some people find profanity just as offensive, so why not leave it at that...
UGH!!!
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is there a list of key words for the moderator to look for or is it just his opinion of what is a bad word? i got a warning for typing **** the other day and was surprised. granted i didnt type it anymore, but that wasnt the first time ive used it. it was the first warning for it tho. the system seems to work, just not very consistent i guess.
ok, mebbe that word is on the list. it got *'d. oh well, now i know.
~S~
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How to tell, if what you typed didn't show in the buffer and you got a warning. It was automatic. If you type it again and it dosn't show and get an instant mute it was automatic.
Beetle, go suck an egg HiTech:)
And on a side note the history of the word ****.
It actualy stands for ship high in transit. When dung used to be sold as fertilizer there had been a few fire/explosion on board ships do to the gass build up when enclosed in a hold. To vent the gass it was needed to put all the dung containers on top.
HiTech
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There are alot of minors who are active in all arenas at any given time. If you wouldn't behave like that in front of them in real life, why on earth would you feel you have the right to behave like that online?
Kids get 'poisoned' much harder with other things than reading a light hearted :'****'
Yesterday i was severaly attacked on ch1 because i asked for verbal fairness against a certain newbie, which brought home his 2 HO kills.
I was called gay and so on because of my intervention. Several times. Obviously without any mod action.
Kids shall not learn to use the word 'shiit', they learn instead to call someone gay?
I appreciate the presence of a moderator very much, but he/she should work at least better than Pawlos dog.
Ecke
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And on a side note the history of the word ****.
It actualy stands for ship high in transit. When dung used to be sold as fertilizer there had been a few fire/explosion on board ships do to the gass build up when enclosed in a hold. To vent the gass it was needed to put all the dung containers on top.
And I thought this was just another stupid post, but then I get a history of originations of the word S#!T.
That is Awsome S#!T :D
WTG Hitech!!!!
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I dont use profanity, but I discovered we have an automatic censor when I got muted for saying prettythang but with S's. I was talking on a private channel and was telling someone in reagards to the trees at the edge of the FinnRuss runways:
"somebody needs to get a chainsaw, im tried of hitting these trees and having to pick splinters out of my prettythang"
I got muted for 5 or 10 min, I forget now. It was not an insult towards anyone (well, maybe towards myself), and I am now very careful as to what I type, even in a playful manner.
I do not argue for profanity, but the things I see on Ch 1 that upset me are not profane in the literal sense, but are sometimes extremely hateful as has been mentioned above, IE Race, religion. Hard to monitor that stuff, but that is far worse than crude profanity IMO.
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Originally posted by hitech
Ecke, I went and looked you were giving a very polite warning.
"please do not use profanity"
then 2 mins later you were muted. I assume this was for the language statement.
Now your basic argument is that you were muted but "Hey theres other stuff worse than what i did" just dosn't cut it. I belive you were muted for arguing the point of simply being asked not to use profanity. Frankly arguing is much worse than any kind of slip up because it implies that you don't wish to follow the rules.
The real point is you were asked politly, modirators are not realy over zellious but when they ask something, and some one basicly sais screw you, ill just do what i want around the rules they realy have no choice but to mute them. The modirators help me out emensly,they are just enforcing my rules, not making them,and if you decide to pick a small fight with them, don't be surprised that you end up loosing.
HiTech
I wasnt very surprised to loose a small fight with the mod. :) I was more amused than angry. And its not really a big deal for me. As i said, i appreciate the presence of mods.
But i also was surprised and dissapointed that the mod takes care for a light hearted:'shiit' and the really bad things on ch1 are happening without any intervention.
This thread isnt a 'i have been treatened bad' whine. I want the mods to do more than just sort out the ugly words.
Ecke
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He probably got muted because it seems he'll be a "high maintenence" player - you know the type that needs some reaction or hair tossle every half hour or so. Well, he got a reaction so I don't see the problem.
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DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!
Funny how us "Grown Ups" cant even control ourselves at a (KeyBoard).... We call it a Slip? It isn't like it just slips off the tongue like when you Mash you finger with a hammer, or drop a bolder on your toe. On the contrary....You Must TYPE the message into the text buffer..then hit ENTER. this requires a few more seconds of thought. So...think it..but DON'T Type it!
;)
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Originally posted by hitech
Beetle, go suck an egg HiTech:)
LOL! I don't speak any German, but I believe there's a German word meaning eggs which equates to the limey word, bollocks.
Speaking of which, I watched the movie "Get Carter" on American TV many years ago. Needless to say, all the F and S was edited out, but then someone bellows "Bollocks!". I almost dropped my beer. And then I realised - back before the days of the web, that word meant nothing in America. :lol
Straffo! Le mot "ball", c'est un mot qui veut dire (aux états unis) les rapports sexuels!
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english (uk) swear words go through most times ..
like we say arse instaed of ass,,, here an bellybutton is a horsy type thing
where as fanny is exceptable in us.. but here it means female gentalia...
just turn of the swear box people can get round it by adding a comma to end of the words..
and yet i get message for typing **** pit just cos i spelt it with a space.. so in effect i got warning for wrong spelling..which is STUPID..
:)
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Hey cuss all you want in greek or Italian or polish they wont have a clue what ur saying.
There lies the problem.
If your gonna have human beings as moderators in the game thats fine.
But you really should have a moderator for every language on earth.
otherwise it smells of discrimination.
Not trying to stir the pott just trying to bring another veiw point foward thats all.
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Yo Ecke next time say:
Scheisendreck.
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So you expect moderators to be multilingual? Ya gotta be kidding me. We pay $14.95/month for this game, with that comes some limitations. The moderators are a good example of this.
Some people get muted when they might not deserve it.
So freeking what?!!!!!!
They didn't get booted from the game, imprsioned, banned, fined, beaten, or humiliated. 10 minutes of silence in a game where you can succeed w/out ever typing or saying a word is nothing. These people that cry about getting muted unjustly haven't ever said anything that I've seen must ABSOLUTELY be said. The world didn't end because they were silenced for a few minutes. The "war" wasn't lost. No animals or children got hurt(unless the same muted people started beating members of their own household, which I believe to be possible since they are lame enough to get upset over being muted in the first place.)
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Ecke, first of all, how do you know you were talking to a minor? (the newbie).
Second of all, if it was a minor, where do you think they learn that attitude?
All I'm saying, is lets employ some common decency.
I'm out.
RTR
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Originally posted by Steve
So you expect moderators to be multilingual? Ya gotta be kidding me. We pay $14.95/month for this game, with that comes some limitations. The moderators are a good example of this.
Some people get muted when they might not deserve it.
So freeking what?!!!!!!
They didn't get booted from the game, imprsioned, banned, fined, beaten, or humiliated. 10 minutes of silence in a game where you can succeed w/out ever typing or saying a word is nothing. These people that cry about getting muted unjustly haven't ever said anything that I've seen must ABSOLUTELY be said. The world didn't end because they were silenced for a few minutes. The "war" wasn't lost. No animals or children got hurt(unless the same muted people started beating members of their own household, which I believe to be possible since they are lame enough to get upset over being muted in the first place.)
Exactly you are paying for a service .
And part of that service is the voice and text !
And when it is muted you are at that time not getting what you are paying for in FULL.
Now I know I am splitting hairs here but the point i am trying to make is the monotoring system as is is discriminitory in nature.
I am not saying that all words should be availible .
But I do find it odd that you can SAY (voice) anything you want on country, squad or private vox you want.
Now heres an example say im on range vox and Im ranting about something.
And someone has there Kids in the room with them and I say the F word !! Noone had to bother to read it did they .
It was heard thru out the whole knights side (atleast on range channel).
You see my point?
As you can see this whole topic Is a huge can of worms for everyone .
So i think the best thing to do Is to just fly have fun and stay a little light hearted about it rgr.
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All about how ya vent verbally or fingerly--no real need to swear in either situation.
HTC isn't to my knowlege isn't a free speach zone and it's thier rules.
Personally I like it the way it is.
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Originally posted by hitech
How to tell, if what you typed didn't show in the buffer and you got a warning. It was automatic. If you type it again and it dosn't show and get an instant mute it was automatic.
Thanks I was caught by a bot so :)
And btw my exemple was flawed ... I checked the film it was not the word "ballon" and after a google search I understand why it can be censored :D
Steve imagine there is a french moderator : using the simple word "con" will get you booted :)
I rarely cuss in english (I've a better knowledge of french bad word :p) but being muted when speaking politly in another language is just extremly funny :D
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I'm glad HiTech doesn't have any voice recogn. system on the voice channel :)
Ecke. next time use german or french words
airmess
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Read the Terms of Service.
Originally posted by mrblack
Exactly you are paying for a service .
And part of that service is the voice and text !
And when it is muted you are at that time not getting what you are paying for in FULL.
Now I know I am splitting hairs here but the point i am trying to make is the monotoring system as is is discriminitory in nature.
I am not saying that all words should be availible .
But I do find it odd that you can SAY (voice) anything you want on country, squad or private vox you want.
Now heres an example say im on range vox and Im ranting about something.
And someone has there Kids in the room with them and I say the F word !! Noone had to bother to read it did they .
It was heard thru out the whole knights side (atleast on range channel).
You see my point?
As you can see this whole topic Is a huge can of worms for everyone .
So i think the best thing to do Is to just fly have fun and stay a little light hearted about it rgr.
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Originally posted by RTR
Well, just my $.02 worth.
Bottom line is that this is not an old boys club, that meets in someones basement, smokes cigars, drinks whiskey etc.
There are alot of minors who are active in all arenas at any given time. If you wouldn't behave like that in front of them in real life, why on earth would you feel you have the right to behave like that online?
Profanity is pretty well understood by all. There are really no "secret" swear words. When we use them we are fully aware of the implication.
To say that "well, I didn't say the actual word, I mean i even spelled it differently!", is irrelevent. The implication is there.
HTC owes it to its customer base to provide a fun and hassle/harrasment free environment. That is what we pay for.
Kids are like parrots to a certain degree. They will behave as they see others behave, so why encourage it?
That is really the point.
cheers,
RTR
:aok RTR
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All I'm saying, is lets employ some common decency.
Thats it!
I dont chat bad words anymore. Easy job so far.
But the mods should increase their effectivity dramatically.
There is a lot of bad violation in ch1. Not all the time, but often.
Common decency..common sense...if the mod knows and rules with those terms in mind, i would certainly not have opened this thread.
Ecke
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Only problem Ecke, is that there are not always Mod's online.
HiTech
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
He probably got muted because it seems he'll be a "high maintenence" player - you know the type that needs some reaction or hair tossle every half hour or so. Well, he got a reaction so I don't see the problem.
It is incorrect statement IMHO, Ecke in an honerable opponent, and not a flamer for sure.
About the problem, my position is very simular to the Tilt's one. Moderation is something which is needed. I am myself moderate some forums and email lists, and I know that moderators always have it from every side; some people say you abuse the power and enjoy it, others say that you must make it even harder, and almost everybody are unhappy about the moderators job and think they can do it better. :) IMHO moderators job is very unenjoyable but needed. Someone has to do it, so others can enjoy discussions and playing. Errare humanum est, so sometimes mods make mistakes. Try to understand it and help them. After all, moderation helps more than create problems.
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When Mr Black speaks and you respond please spit the hook out of your mouth so we can understand you . :)
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HT,
i know, manpower is expensive.
I dont know if this 'problem' can be solved for everyones happyness.
You solved several probs in the past. I only tried to make this item not to be forgotten completely.
Ecke
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There is nothing wrong with using a few swear words in my opinion, however, whats the use? You can easily replace them with words that are ok and considered unprofane and get the same effect. However I do think its a crock that I can get muted for saying S*** but Rauml can ask someone to toss his salad on ch1 and be ok...
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I tried to explain to Ruaml that AH is not a dating chat room.. He is having trouble w/ this
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Originally posted by Steve
I tried to explain to Ruaml that AH is not a dating chat room.. He is having trouble w/ this
his problem is he only has one joystick, and the mapping is whacked.
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mute more dweebs
kick them
lock their threads
:aok
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Ecke, you seem like a nice, reasonable guy, but you seem to not get the point. You typed shiit with two i's - why? Certainly because you knew spelling the word correctly wouldn't be acceptable. You knew it but chose to use the word anyway. So far no big deal, but when the moderator cautioned you, you continued using the German spelling. Ordinarily the German version wouldn't be noticed, but you were doing it to spite the moderator. That's why you got muted and why HiTech would have ejected you... which means you would no longer be allowed to play AH. Players must not argue with or do things to spite the moderators, because that would cause them to lose control.
Bottom line... wether you agree or not, HTC does not allow players to say some things. If they do, they get a notice so they can avoid doing it in the future. AH is an American game sold by an American company. If they choose to filter English words only, likely because that's about all they can handle, it's their choice. I've been involved with games that would not permit masked words either, that had a lot more moderators than AH. They were strict! It's true that a lot worse gets said than shiit every day, but there is not always moderators available, or they may have muted others without your knowledge.
Just be thankful that you didn't run into HiTech that night... he can be meaner than shiit! >=o)
grizzly
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Then there was the guy that had a profane handle, everyone that "check-6"'d him was getting a warning.
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Lol shane.
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@Grizzly
You typed shiit with two i's - why? Certainly because you knew spelling the word correctly wouldn't be acceptable.
No question..i got what i deserved. Dont mess with the mod. My fault. as i said above.
I used these 10 minutes of silence for a little meditation:)
As it is now, the mods are nothing more than a optimized spam filter. Filtering out only the bad words and their mutilatings.
But as long as everyone can read really bad violation on ch1, the mods dont work propperly.
And i dont believe that this violation only happens when the mod is OFFLINE.
As HT said above, the mods dont make the rules. HT makes the rules and the mods execute HT's rules.
And so, i would like to see that HT defines a few more rules which allows the mods to keep the chat more readable and enjoyable.
Ecke
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Ecke got muted... and I missed that event ?? Harrrr!
(this dude is probably the most polite person I have met online) ... he almost appologises on squad channel when he shoots a bad guy fer christ's sake!
Sometimes a words comes out before you think about it... 'shiit happens' :D
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I don't have any problem with profanity, hate I have much more trouble with.
Ecke, you shouldn't have taunted the moderator and although you say it's not a big deal, you still took the time to post and to reply. Rules are rules. Just don't get worked up for a profanity warning and swear in German without explaining. I'll be perfectly able to understand what you mean :D
I live in the Netherlands and here everything is allowed. English is very well integrated in our society and all teenagers know exactly what the F-word means (and a lot more). Over here it would be UNTHINKABLE to mute or beep movies on TV or to do so with Eminem records on the radio. We hear it all and hardly anyone seems to bother.
To me it is amusing (and sometimes even annoying) to listen to UK TV or radio and miss out half the lyrics of a Limp Bizkit song.
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Originally posted by Hornet
mute more dweebs
kick them
lock their threads
:aok
Amen!
Btw...how ya doin Hornet ya old fart:)
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This really is a difficult issue. Cultural values and morals are different, not only across the globe, but within countries, on your street or even in your own house.
I can also appreciate the argument that bigotry is more offensive than words that depict body parts or bodily functions. Why in the world is one word for a body part 'offensive' and a synonym 'unoffensive?' How does one asterick make something unoffensive? Is racial taunting acceptable if one uses an asterick here or there?
I suppose the answer is that AH is not a society with values that are debatable. There are no elected representatives or constitution and no rights are granted to you. It is a private enterprise that you may choose to participate in, or choose not to participate in.
Just as some choose not to offend others and some relish offending others.
It is just another lesson in how the world operates and the 'Golden Rule' - The man with the gold makes the rules. :)
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Originally posted by Rolex
This really is a difficult issue. Cultural values and morals are different, not only across the globe, but within countries, on your street or even in your own house.
Not a difficult issue at all. Just DONT Use Profanities of any sort. Whether "Masked*****" or Not. Simply obstain from doing so.
Whats so hard about NOT offending with "Swearwords" masked or not? Lets give it a try ;)
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What I find amazing here, is that what is self evident to most is beyond the grasp of a few.
If what an individual wants is the freedom to voice their opinions or remarks in a profane, vulgar, disrespectful and/or harassing manner, then that is certainly their choice.
However, it is not their right to inflict this "right" on the community at large. If you need a forum to do this, it ain't here.
Go somewhere else.
It's a pretty basic concept really. Go ask your Mother, I am sure she would be more than willing to re-explain it to you.
Okay..now I really am out.
cheers,
RTR
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I was just about to renew my subscription when I saw this thread.
I won't pay to be censored, even by mistake. I fully reckognise the need for monitoring with half-brained youngsters online.. But to be warned / muted even when joking with someone (happened a lot without even realising back when I joined MA) really is a PITA and forces one to constantly monitor ones typing in order to avoid any accidental 'profane' word. Like cockpit. :rolleyes:
AH lacks freedom of expression. The guidelines are set by the random decisions of the moderators, who sometimes run high on a powertrip and the result is similar.
So untill automatic filtering and random mutings are removed from MA you won't see me as a customer.
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AH lacks freedom of expression
Blahahahaha! You're darned right it does. It is not a public venue, it is a private business, so why should it have freedom of expression? And you have undoubtedly a twisted sense of the term. Go to a public park, find some kind of youth organization event... say a soccer game. Stand in their midst and start cursing and screaming obsceneties. You'll find yourself either beaten to a pulp by the parents(self policing) or you'll find your self facing an officer(s) citing you for whatever the local law proscribes. i.e. disturbing the peace, lewdness... etc. Why should AH be different?
Your idea of freedom of expression is a bit warped, sir.
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I was once warned to "please watch the language" by a mod, so I very creatively chose my words, typed "eat fecal matter" . Now not a single word in my sentence was vulgar or obscene, but together...... could be. Yes I got muted.
Its alot like driving California freeways, EVERYONE speeds, but the cops can only have just so many tickets in that lil book.& theres waaaaay more speeders than tickets.
For me, its fun to push the boundaries from time to time, both on Ch1 & on the freeway.
I say what I feel, I drive how I want. I can deal with the penalties if/when i'm caught.
A-Clown
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Originally posted by Rolex
This really is a difficult issue.
What's difficult about it? A cop in some country you are visiting tells you, "Don't do that." and you do it anyway. Then he pops you a good one in the noggin. Nothing difficult at all.
Originally posted by Siaf__csf
So untill automatic filtering and random mutings are removed from MA you won't see me as a customer.
No great loss. I doubt you will be missed, since you were obviously muted most of the time you were here :D.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I was just about to renew my subscription when I saw this thread.
I won't pay to be censored, even by mistake. I fully reckognise the need for monitoring with half-brained youngsters online.. But to be warned / muted even when joking with someone (happened a lot without even realising back when I joined MA) really is a PITA and forces one to constantly monitor ones typing in order to avoid any accidental 'profane' word. Like cockpit. :rolleyes:
AH lacks freedom of expression. The guidelines are set by the random decisions of the moderators, who sometimes run high on a powertrip and the result is similar.
So untill automatic filtering and random mutings are removed from MA you won't see me as a customer.
Well....don't let the door hit ya in the arse....later!
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Stepping away from the "I quit" and "don't let the door hit ya in the arse" path this thread has taken, I have an issue with the following:
Originally posted by hitech
And on a side note the history of the word ****.
It actualy stands for ship high in transit. When dung used to be sold as fertilizer there had been a few fire/explosion on board ships do to the gass build up when enclosed in a hold. To vent the gass it was needed to put all the dung containers on top.
HiTech
Need more research here.
The story hitech refers to relates that when manure was transported long distances in wooden boats enough water would get into the cargo hold to wet the manure bales. Methane gas would be produced and when someone went into the hold with a lantern the ship would blow up. The solution was mark these bales of manure “ship high in transit” so the bales would be loaded into a higher, well-ventilated section of the cargo hold. From this we get the acronym “****.”
Taken overall the story is bull ****.
By changing one word in the story you have a recognizable, albeit poor, joke. “What do you call manure piled high on a boat? **** high in transit.”
Originally posted by mars01
And I thought this was just another stupid post, but then I get a history of originations of the word S#!T.
That is Awsome S#!T :D
WTG Hitech!!!!
Alternatively, one could always open a dictionary. A dictionary is a big scary book with lots of words and stuff.
A more convincing etymology of the word "****" is that the word “****” originated in Old English as scite or ****e (Sierra Hotel India Tango Echo), from *scitan (to defecate), where sc- is pronounced sh-. The past participle of ****e (Sierra Hotel India Tango Echo) is ****ten (Sierra Hotel India Tango Tango Echo November) The word “****” may also be traced to the proto-Germanic root *skit-, from which German scheissen, Dutch schijten, Swedish skita, and Danish skide are derived. *Skit- originates from the Indo-European root *skei-, meaning split, divide, or separate.
An acronym, heh. Should Have Investigated Thoroughly.
A "Ship High In Transit" is a 20k+ P-51D or 190D-9. I look up at a high Pony or Dora and think "oh ****."
That is all, carry on. I believe Rude was concerned about Siaf's arse? Discuss.
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VAQ,
Get a grip and a sense of humor.
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A sense of humor? Can you not freakin' read?
Byte me.
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I don't even play much anymore simply because of the constant ranting and insulting that goes on in the game. Sure you can squelch channel one but you can't squelch your country channel. Also people swearing on vox bothers me enormously because I have young children in my home and don't want them hearing stuff like that if I can help it.
When I do play my 9 year old daughter likes to watch. She reads the text buffer faster than I do. She always catches it when someone masks a swear word. Anymore I try to play when she is either not home or in bed for the night.
I for one am in favor of more moderation of the constant insulting and masking of swear words so that I can once again enjoy playing AH.
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Yeah I can, was an awful lot of crying.
I dont eat shrimp
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Actually elfie... those are excellent points. It's because you pointed this out to me(it's ok if ya don't remember, but trust me, you did) that I am trying to improve my behavior as far as language. Hey, when one has as much room for improvement as me, one can only get better!
Arguing and whining is one thing, but I really don't want someone else's 9 year old daughter to be exposed to such stuff because of me. I'm sorry for the times(I know there had to be more than 1) that I did this to you.
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Try to focus when you read, mars. It seems that you are deliberately misinterpreting my post.
If I had to explain every nuance of every sentence I wrote on this BBS to every illiterate fool that could not understand it I would probably only have around 140 posts in three years.
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Again, some folks are just high maintenence.
I'll let a few syllables fly when I smash my finger, but I don't do it in the supermarket, in court, in a casual friend's car, etc. etc.
In most cultures, there is a high (formal) language and a low (informal) language. Profanity is a very low language (perhaps a notch above body noises) and reflects disrespect when used with people in a less than casual situation.
It would be akin to meeting you for the first time and discussing my bowel habits or love life with you. You wouldn't want to hear it. And you know, the majority of people in a public gather place don't want to hear potty mouths. Get a thesaurus, and stop trying to be cute.
Its not censorship or a restriciton of ideas. Ideas can be adequately expressed (even colorfuly) without aluding to the bathroom or intimate relations. It is demanding you respect others even though somehow you feel "above" them.
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Ecke is a respected person,and it's a pleasure to share the airways with him.I've never seen or heard him say anything that even closley hinted of intentional vulgarity.
The Mods have a tough job,and surely they will make people unhappy with what they have to do.I have been warned for language,and I had it coming.Getting bested in any contest,can bring the worst out of people.
As far as the young ones seeing and hearing the blasphemes,I heard a young one using language that would make a mule skinner blush.
Speaking of blushing,I see things on Ch 1,that make me wonder if some of the depraved halfwits shouldn't be institutionalized.
Maybe HT ought to utilize a system where the mod could fine the offender.Say like take perks away.That would slow down the cussing,espicially amongst the people that worry about such things.Notice I didn't say point -----
Thats my nickels worth.
IronDog
475 FG Satan's Angels
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>>Ecke is a respected person,and it's a pleasure to share the airways with him.I've never seen or heard him say anything that even closley hinted of intentional vulgarity. <<
I don't want to get on a personal level and have no doubt what you say about Ecke's character. I hope you take this and what was posted before as a general contention. Everyone makes mistakes and occaisionaly says the wrong thing in the wrong setting. But if it happens - what do you do? If you're in a gathering and say something that some find offensive, do you argue the point, or do you apologize for inadvertantly offending them, move on realizing others may have different customs than you? I mean thats really the the issue - not what was said, but the determination to say it again after it was pointed out to be offensive. No matter what anyone's belief of the acceptable use of salty language, I think we can all agree the MA was not set up to debate that. And, to misuse it as such is an encroachment on the others there - intentional or not.
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I don't think there is an argument on if mods are needed. They are. I have a 4 year old doughter that likes to fly the plane once in a while and she is in the room and can hear VOX (when its working :D ) most of the time. My argument is that the current mod 'setup' does not work. The guy got mutied for saing the S word but 100 times worse things get through.
I have a short film from last night (HT or Scuzzy if you want it I can email it to you). I missed the first 5 mins of the cursing but the 5 mins I got will give you an idea of what was happening. I hope vox is also recorded cause there was a lot going on there too.
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VAQ
Try to focus when you read, mars. It seems that you are deliberately misinterpreting my post.
If I had to explain every nuance of every sentence I wrote on this BBS to every illiterate fool that could not understand it I would probably only have around 140 posts in three years.
So moron what was your point. Hi tech mad a joke and you pompously sang in with you dictionary BS.
VAQ
The story hitech refers to relates that when manure was transported long distances in wooden boats enough water would get into the cargo hold to wet the manure bales. Methane gas would be produced and when someone went into the hold with a lantern the ship would blow up. The solution was mark these bales of manure “ship high in transit” so the bales would be loaded into a higher, well-ventilated section of the cargo hold. From this we get the acronym “****.”
DUH exactly what HI Tech said - thanks for retyping the same thing, you must be the same type of person that talks just to hear their own voice too.
VAQ
Taken overall the story is bull ****.
Again who cares no one was really tuning in here for a history lesson, thus my comment Get a sense of Humor.
Alternatively, one could always open a dictionary. A dictionary is a big scary book with lots of words and stuff.
Again a moronic statement - Get a grip.
Now maybe I miss read you and you are trying to be funny, if so better luck next time.
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The obvious answer to this problem is simple. Give Ecke moderator powers. Then he can right all the wrongs that he has seen happen in the past. I am sure that with Ecke as a moderator, channel 1 will be 150% better controlled.
:rolleyes:
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LOL,
its not me that would make the world better (if i had the power).
Its all HT's rules.
Ecke
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Originally posted by sling322
The obvious answer to this problem is simple. Give Ecke moderator powers. Then he can right all the wrongs that he has seen happen in the past. I am sure that with Ecke as a moderator, channel 1 will be 150% better controlled.
:rolleyes:
As a matter of fact sling, it would. Ecke's a VERY polite person. Look me in the eyes and tell me you've never used a *** word.
wait...I have a better idea... make SOB a moderator!
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I'm not the one complaining about the job being done by the moderators Saw. I never said I have never sweared on channel 1 before either. But I can guarantee one thing......I have never been muted for swearing. I can take a hint. When the mod tells you to shut up....you shut up. It really is that simple. Its pretty amazing how that happens......you get a warning....you shut up....problem solved.
If I had the power, I would have muted him too. Judging by what Ecke said, it can be construed as he was taunting the mod by spelling **** in a different language. I cant count the number of times I have seen someone on channel 1 announce to everyone that he just got warned and then he shoots off a message taunting the moderator. If you keep teasing the dog, sooner or later you are gonna get bit.
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Originally posted by sling322
I cant count the number of times I have seen someone on channel 1 announce to everyone that he just got warned and then he shoots off a message taunting the moderator. If you keep teasing the dog, sooner or later you are gonna get bit.
And I cannot count the number of times that people are cursing on all chans and vox and my kids have to hear (they cannot read yet) it with no action being taken. The complain is not that the mods mute people. The complain is that they don;t do it often enough nor when they should. This is rediculus. Curse and you get a warning, maybe. Hurt the mods ego and you get muted.
PS. I still have the film if HT needs an example of what I am talking about.
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Originally posted by dedalos
And I cannot count the number of times that people are cursing on all chans and vox and my kids have to hear (they cannot read yet) it with no action being taken.
Headphones - $10 at radio shack :)
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If I had the power, I would have muted him too.
If you would not have muted me, you would be a bad mod. (And i doubt HT would really have ejected me because of this..hehe ..i believe in god)
Ok, i wrote this
It was unnecessary what happend.
This seems to be a whine. But it is not.
If the mods only show presence when it comes to mutilatings....isnt that absurd?
He/she looks out only for shiit,chit and so on. There is nothing else to do for the mod. The text filter is still running in the background, sending profanity messages automatically and he/she dont cares about the existing but 'clean' violation.
I was trapped by that absurdness when started my little conversation with the mod.
This would probably not have happenend if the mods work properly.
When i could read the game chat without all the existing violations, and then i would get a profanity message because of 'shiit', i would probably answer :rgr mod! Keep on the good work!
This thread is not about me...its about the efficiency of the mods.
Ecke
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If the mods only show presence when it comes to mutilatings....isnt that absurd?
I do think you don't wanted do use this word ...
but it's pretty funny
is it a freudian slip ? :D
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Ecke...Dedalos...
When I first started playing AH I talked to him about his "hall monitors". As the guy that was head game op on AOL for Air Warrior for about 5 years, I do have a bit of experience in doing this job.
On AOL (and later on Gamestorm), the game ops (hall monitors) were expected to make their presence known in the arenas. It came to the point where game ops were expected to work a schedule and cover most of the hours in the day. Since they were ALL unpaided volunteers, it got a bit silly. HT has his monitors "helping out" when they are online. They don't have a schedule. That means that there can be plenty of times when there is no live monitoring of the arena. This explains why you can sometimes see stuff go by and nothing be done about it. When I pointed out to HT that this system had a lot of loop holes, he said the the overhead to do it anyother way was prohibitive. He also pointed out that NO ONE knows who the monitors are. This means that the monitors in AH don't have to deal with the harassment that we had to put of with on AOL and GS.
Not saying any of this makes it "right". Just saying this is the way it is :).
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Ecke...Dedalos...
Well, I agree with you. This is the way it is. It would be nice if it could change for the better though
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Ecke, mein bruder. I apologize for playing a part in your getting muted, the other day. It should not be a secret that I have been muted, roughly 4 times in the almost 3 years I've been playing. However, one time I was muted (NOT by someone at HTC) for typing a single sentence in all caps (There was not a single, solitary cuss word typed by me). I was IN FACT, informing my fellow countrymen where a certain rivals' Task force was spotted. When in fact the Moderator nabbed me instead of the person cussing. I in turn was flamed by someone on BBS for posting screenshots (over the course of being muted) of the cussing that was "allowed to pass through by the same moderator". I in turn was informed of Saw's Picture Hanger. I posted roughly 4 to 5 screenshots (I even left my Muted message up and to the side, as proof). of the banter by the same 5-6 individuals. Funny thing is about the above incident, I wasn't even warned (but afterwards was told to calm down). What is even funnier, I never cussed or slighted ANYONE. The coup de gras was seeing my BBS post deleted by HTC the following morning. To that I extend an "atta boy" to HTC.
HTC does a terrific job, I have received warnings in the past and respected them. There are some people "volunteering" that hit several players and allow certain "veterans" to get away with murder. This is the only problem I have with the "volunteers". If you choose to be a moderator in the evening, then DO IT. Don't "choose" the who's, why's, etc. If someone blatantly cusses, mute him, regardless of AH status, being an old warhorse from AW. Do the job correctly, and be just. I mean it on one hand for "the Dickweed HBG" to allow use the squadname, and two days ago type on ch.1 "We are Dickweeds". Classy. I have no respect for the squad as they blatantly crossed the line and are free from the muting. Call me what you will for saying the above, I can careless what you think.
I do feel that the circumstances for which Ecke was muted were uncalled for, in the sense that I was digging up old German from my high school days of over 15 years ago. Come on, I was as guilty as Ecke for typing "Scheise" w/o another S, that moderator knew what I was typing as Ecke followed. Either way, it was BS that I did not get muted, as was MORE guilty in this instance.
Ecke, is not outspoken in his character, he is a gentleman and a great person to chat with on the country channel. Ecke, you know at the expense of the muting I appreciate your correcting me in my education of German. I sometimes type in German to the Abbeville Kids. It is out of respect that I type it, and correctly. I owe you that much as being an American who speaks English. I also type on your BBS, maybe that is where our "Sheisse's" should happen from know on. Ecke, I do apologize again.
Karaya
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Stand in their midst and start cursing and screaming obsceneties. You'll find yourself either beaten to a pulp by the parents(self policing) or you'll find your self facing an officer(s) citing you for whatever the local law proscribes. i.e. disturbing the peace, lewdness... etc. Why should AH be different?
Uh I don't really know in what kind of a conservatist and narrowminded society you live in, but I'd never expect to be charged by any bystander or (even less) arrested for using a couple curses while chatting to someone in public.
So the parents actually think it's ok for the children to witness an innocent bystander get physically assaulted by their parents for saying a couple words? I'd say that's far more detrimental for a child. :rolleyes:
What about a cop arresting someone using more than 2 profanities while talking to someone? Will teach them to watch what they say in public thats for sure. :) Big Brother and all.
AH has a filter list for bad words.. which is dumbfounding. Even words that have several meanings are muted if they can be understood as curses in some consecuence. So you won't even have to mean to insult someone, you can (and will) get muted by accident.
The land of the free, the home of the censored.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
He also pointed out that NO ONE knows who the monitors are. This means that the monitors in AH don't have to deal with the harassment that we had to put of with on AOL and GS.
I know one of the moderators, but i respect their privacy so i never said one word to anyone. Just wish he was more online :-)
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Uh I don't really know in what kind of a conservatist and narrowminded society you live in, but I'd never expect to be charged by any bystander or (even less) arrested for using a couple curses while chatting to someone in public.
I didn't say anything about chatting or being arrested. I'm not going allow you to change the scenario to suit your needs. Are you so gauche that you regularly swear in front of other's children? What Elf pointed out to me is that at just about any given time, when you type in text in the game, someone's minor child is watching. Do you not tend to monitor your speech more carefully when you are having a conversation in front of children?
I for one have been guilty many times of using profanity, masked or otherwise, in the text buffer. I continue to try to change my behavior so as not to expose someone's else's child to language that their parents may see as unsuitable.
It's a good thing you are not going to come back to the game, since you basically admit you cannot control yourself. There is one less person a parent like Elfie has to worry about.
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I know one of the moderators, but i respect their privacy so i never said one word to anyone.
Me too WT... but I doubt we found out the same way. :p
I used to get muted w/ some regularity, adn by watching the roster I found a pattern, was able to determine who it was.
I've deserved every mute I've ever received. IMHO the mods do not make enough mistakes to warrant some kind of overhaul of the current system. I know they have helped me. After getting a warning or a mute, I always realize "Hey, what I typed WAS inappropriate."
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Originally posted by dedalos
Well, I agree with you. This is the way it is. It would be nice if it could change for the better though
If it did....it would cost everyone more. The only way to do it "right" would be to hire people to do it. That would mean user fees go up. Hmm, on second thought....higher fees would get rid of the riff raff...I'm all for it :D.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
If it did....it would cost everyone more. The only way to do it "right" would be to hire people to do it. That would mean user fees go up. Hmm, on second thought....higher fees would get rid of the riff raff...I'm all for it :D.
There you go :aok
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Originally posted by Steve
when you type in text in the game, someone's minor child is watching. Do you not tend to monitor your speech more carefully when you are having a conversation in front of children?
90% of the times I fly with my 4 year old daughter. Its a good thing she cannot read yet, but vox is good enough.
It's a good thing you are not going to come back to the game, since you basically admit you cannot control yourself. There is one less person a parent like Elfie has to worry about. [/B]
We will both miss him
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In the very first message of this thread it states...
>>I was muted because i answered the mod that i will write the german translation to the ugly word the next time instead of getting a profanity message. Probably, this undermined his authority. ...
...It was unnecessary what happend. <<
So, it is stated that some means would be used to get around the moderation. Its agreed that this probably undermined its authority. And then it follows the muting was unnecessary?
Thats an incredible leap in logic.
I guess a better course would have been for the moderator to log off, look up case law regarding free speach and profanity, and render a decision in a few weeks:)
The person was initialy warned. Nothing lost. Then because that person chose to escalate the matter, he was muted. For the life of me, I can't see a problem.
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Originally posted by Steve
Me too WT... but I doubt we found out the same way. :p
I used to get muted w/ some regularity, adn by watching the roster I found a pattern, was able to determine who it was.
heh Yeah that is different then the way i found out, we've known each other for quite some time, so we got into a discussion about moderators one time, therefore he came out with it. Suprised me :)
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Originally posted by straffo
I do think you don't wanted do use this word ...
but it's pretty funny
is it a freudian slip ? :D
Obviously my dictionary sucks.
I hope you are all good guessers? :)
Ecke
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Originally posted by hitech
If you said that to me, you would have been ejected. Why do you think you should push the edge when some one warns you?
HiTech
Did anyone miss this on the first page?
I'm thinking they must have, so I'll repost it.
:p
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
I agree HT.
But this all would have not happend if the mod takes action more carefully and always looking to the context.
When a country mate types i.e. :'we lost A21! And i answer :'shiit',
there is certainly no need for the moderator to wake up.
The mods wouldn't take these actions if you learned to follow the rules.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by airmess
I'm glad HiTech doesn't have any voice recogn. system on the voice channel :)
Ecke. next time use german or french words
airmess
Naah... Use Czech... Only me and Orel do really understand those... And no danger of getting muted by a filter... Nor a moderator... ;) Only on a voice channel, be careful when using Czech or you can find yourself ejected for no reason at all... Since there is a nasty "false-friend" word in Czech and English... It sounds the same as the F-word but in Czech it does not mean the thing it does in English but it means "Really"... So this is the only danger...
Problem is that word filter does not think... And the moderator... well... those may have bad days too...
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The whole point of my post was the fact that he shouldn't have been WARNED in the first place.
Guess you missed that?
Karaya
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Originally posted by dedalos
And I cannot count the number of times that people are cursing on all chans and vox and my kids have to hear (they cannot read yet) it with no action being taken. The complain is not that the mods mute people. The complain is that they don;t do it often enough nor when they should. This is rediculus. Curse and you get a warning, maybe. Hurt the mods ego and you get muted.
PS. I still have the film if HT needs an example of what I am talking about.
That is a very good point Dedalos, but then again, as it has been stated before.....there may not have been a moderator online at the time that the event you are referring to happened. As far as I know, the mods dont have a set schedule or anything. They are just online whenever they are flying and whatnot.
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Seems very simple to me...if the moderators like you, you get a warning, if they dont, you get muted.
Ive been muted for sayin 'N1K Tard' calling someone a' wuss', and because this was a sunday, I made the comment... 'must be priests flying between mass'...got muted for that too.
Yet, within 2 lines of my text..was very similar comments, after my timeout was up, i asked if they other guy got muted, he said no...hence, if the moderators like you, no worries, if they dont, expect to get muted.
Might as well accept, the moderators can and will abuse their powers..this is life..accept your mute, come back, thank em for the timeout, and start playing the game as if nothing happened.
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Nice write up NoBaddy, and on the mark. Most people were reasonable and wouldn't give me any trouble if I had to remind them, but there were some who thought they had some basis for making an issue out of it. I had to treat them appropriately, like with a two by four upside the head. I could be as nice and tender as a flower, or as mean and vile as the devil. I'm sure that some thought I was unfair, but the choice was always theirs. I think this thread is too long >=o|
Dear AH players who's mommies should have used more soap, consider the alternatives. Yes moderators will be inconsistant, they will play favorites, they will pick on some players, and they will abuse their power. For they are simple players like you and me that have agreed to moderate the arena.
HTC also uses an impersonal filter that is almost funny sometimes in what words it filters and those it allows. Things like *****, watermelon and shiit are the result. Human filters can use judgement, but they are human.
Just what do some of you guys expect? If you want perfection, you ain't gonna get it. You have only one option, and that is to behave. It's simple and there is no valid excuse. If some of you get cheated by a less than perfect Moderator, get over it or get out.
HTC does not want vulgarity because most players do not want to put up with gutter language. HiTech can cuss like a biker, so the rules aren't for his benefit. It's intended for the benefit of the AH customers, and they should not have to put up with it just because some of you might have your precious, tender feelings hurt. That's the bottom line and if some of you prima donnas don't like it, tough shiit.
grizzly
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I'm not going allow you to change the scenario to suit your needs.
Steve I wasn't the one using the public park and parents analogy. It was a reply to one.
And don't take me wrong I fully support the idea of monitoring - as long as it's done in a manner that doesn't suppress even the most harmless of the chatters. Meaning that there should be a clear line between abusive behaviour and normal text chat. To my knowledge, children usually know more bad words than their parents at the stage where the parents are trying to 'protect' them from the world.
They are, afterall, just words.
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Steve I wasn't the one using the public park and parents analogy.
You changed it entirely. I said "screaming obscenities". You said "chatting".
I said "cited" you said "arrested".
Do you not tend to monitor your speech more carefully when you are having a conversation in front of children?
I bet you do. My point is, one should assume there are children in the game. I mean, why not err on the side of caution?
I'm far from perfect so I really don't want to pound on you. I have contemplated this lately.... I wouldn't use foul language in front of children... not gonna do it online(do my best at least).
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To my knowledge, children usually know more bad words than their parents at the stage where the parents are trying to 'protect' them from the world.
You could be right. I just think it's not up to me to make AH unsuitable for children and I don't want to anger the parents who play this game w/ kids around or let their kids play this game. I want them to have fun too.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Steve I wasn't the one using the public park and parents analogy. It was a reply to one.
And don't take me wrong I fully support the idea of monitoring - as long as it's done in a manner that doesn't suppress even the most harmless of the chatters. Meaning that there should be a clear line between abusive behaviour and normal text chat. To my knowledge, children usually know more bad words than their parents at the stage where the parents are trying to 'protect' them from the world.
They are, afterall, just words.
So...what you are saying is that you will support monitoring, provided nothing is monitored. Interesting bit of double talk. It isn't about whether or not children know more bad words than their parents. It IS about them knowing when and where it is acceptable to use those words. The monintors aren't here to "protect" anyone from the world. They are here to enforce HT's wishes (it is after all his world) and attempt to give the game a modicom of decorum.
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I had no idea our arena was so full of martyrs.
:rolleyes:
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Only difference between the old vets and noob's is they have learned to be as profane, as they prolly are to their loved ones, as they wish to be by having already be kicked for it and have learned to circumvent the system.
Bot's may get the text buffer job done to some extent but moderator's know what the intent was and can respond to it. Pity there are so few in the arena.
Ren
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its a wierd set up, but if i get warned i generally relax and hush, also there are times when i get muted no warning at all...
also i think the system needs a bit laxing ie...
i got muted for10 min once when instead of combing the word cockpit i wrote it as **** pit
anyway when words are slang even listed in dictionary with definition there should be some lax...
words are words simple... only the weak minded get insulted like 2 yr olds:)
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see even the word its self got muted in type lol...
maybe we should rooster pit???
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Not a SINGLE hour goes by where some one isn't either cursing (sometimes modified so the auto moderator can't pick it up, or insulting someone on their race or creed.
What we need are moderators that are more aggressive and can mute for inflammatory statements as well. I'm not talking about 'nice HO' or 'runstang go', I'm talking about (exact copy of a screen shot I have) 'Go home you ghey jew'.
On a more humorous note, I got muted for using 'FAC' (Forward Air Controller) when I was trying to help a cruiser gunner hit a VH. The system isn't perfect, but I have only been muted once in all the years I've been on AH.
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How many times have you been muted? If you have been muted, why?
Why do I get the feeling those who don't like the system are the one attempting to abuse it?
Originally posted by Siaf__csf
So untill automatic filtering and random mutings are removed from MA you won't see me as a customer.
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Delerium, I take that statement of his as proof the system works. ;)
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Originally posted by Delirium
How many times have you been muted? If you have been muted, why?
Why do I get the feeling those who don't like the system are the one attempting to abuse it?
Delerium has a point. I love to spread propaganda and trash talk on Channel 1, but have never been muted. There is definately a right and wrong way to do it.
Zazen
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I am probably more guilty than 95% of the posters in this thread and I will be the first to admit that I have been muted on numerous occasions for using swear words albeit spelt incorrectly.
The point i am trying to make is:
Someone types a swear word in text buffer (rightly/wrongly spelt) they get warned/muted and rightly so as there are kids that play this game and we should all be trying to set an example to them (fat lot of good it will do).
Then, you see a person making defamatory remarks against someone elses mother/daughter/sister or racist remarks about someones caste or religion and these go completely unpunished! In fact the conversation on channel 1 can go on feor an hour and still nothing is done or anyone is warned.
Now, whilst I agree that swearing on chan 1 is wrong and should be moderated, I feel very strongly that if a conversation starts on channel 1 and becomes "abusive" , "defamatory" , "racist" or just downright "nasty" then they too should a)be warned, then b) muted.
After reading some of the comments from the parents I will endeavour to not swear in text in future out of respect to their children.
Sorry for such a lengthy post!
Hammy