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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ozark on January 27, 2004, 10:27:02 AM
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A friend sent me a 2.8 Meg photo of the Thunderbirds F-16C to crash shortly after takeoff during a September airshow at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho. The pilot ejected 0.8 second before the aircraft impacted the ground.
I edited the photo and made 2 shots of the ejection.
http://www.arff.info/photos/T-Bird-eject-1.JPG
http://www.arff.info/photos/T-Bird-eject-2.JPG
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Looks like he was pulling a bit too hard out of a loop and high speed stalled? Good reflexes if he ejected that close. He was otherwise unhurt, I hope?
I've a friend who rode out a ejection from the back seat of an F-15E. She was laid up for a couple weeks from the back strain....
Cheers,
Spitter
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is that another member of the Martin-Baker club?
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This article (http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2004/jan/21/516213157.html) has some good information on the final report on the accident.
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Someone posted an inside-the-cockpit film of this a while back.
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There is a link to the video of the crash and the cockpit video in a thread over on AGW, that Dobs started.
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Video Link:
http://www.avweb.com/newspics/tbirdcrash.mpg
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..reassigned to the Pentagon
Doing ? janitorial services?
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Originally posted by Furball
is that another member of the Martin-Baker club?
actually no. Air Force planes use the ACES II wich is made by BF Goodwrench (beleive it or not) through contract of lockheed martin. The only AF plane that is gonna use the Martin Baker will be the JSF. Navy/Marine Corps birds use MB because they have a more successful rate of ejection under water.
and yep it appears this was pilot error. He didnt compute enough altitude for the manuver. Pretty strange for a thunderbird, they are usually top notch.
not trying to be a know it all here but this is what I do for a living, Ejection seats.
When a pilot punches out of an AC he/she experiences upwards to 14Gs and depending on the type (low speed/low alt ect) will be in a fully deployed parachute in about 1.8 to 2.5 seconds. most pilots only remember pulling the handle and waking up in a parachute.
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Navy/Marine Corps birds use MB because they have a more successful rate of ejection under water.
And the Harriers are British anyway.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
actually no. Air Force planes use the ACES II wich is made by BF Goodwrench (beleive it or not) through contract of lockheed martin. The only AF plane that is gonna use the Martin Baker will be the JSF. Navy/Marine Corps birds use MB because they have a more successful rate of ejection under water.
Thanks for the info.
After i posted i read a bit about the ejection seats at the martin baker web site.
T-6a is an air force plane that uses martin baker, didnt read about the other seats so i do not know if other USAF planes use em.
Think the blackhawk helicopter uses martin baker survival seats too.
http://www.martin-baker.co.uk
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spectator view
http://members.cox.net/klkmail/tbird.wmv
right click and save as
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Actually Gunslinger, if I remember right, I think he had an engine problem in the middle of the maneuver and was trying to fix it until the last possible second. Had everything been working correctly, he had plenty of room for the maneuver.
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So.... as a janitor, how long til he pays off that one?
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Does Knockin off mean there getting out of tight formation?
And stopping the show?
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Originally posted by mjolnir
Actually Gunslinger, if I remember right, I think he had an engine problem in the middle of the maneuver and was trying to fix it until the last possible second. Had everything been working correctly, he had plenty of room for the maneuver.
sorry I got the inside skinny on this but here's a link
http://www.af.mil/stories/story.asp?storyID=123006413 (http://www.af.mil/stories/story.asp?storyID=123006413)
Does Knockin off mean there getting out of tight formation?
And stopping the show?
I know knock it off is the call pilots use when practicing to stop an unsafe condition and return to normal flight. I'm pretty sure an air show would be cancled or at least delayed after a crash. In fact I'm more than sure there would be no more flying cause that might hinder the crash investigation
Yes I was wrong the T6 does not use an ACESII. Neither does the T-38/37 B-52 F-5 and the soon to be most recent edition to the AF inventory the L-39
dont get me wrong though the Martin Baker is a great tried and true seat design. It has a very successful ejection rate
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L-39?
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Originally posted by qts
And the Harriers are British anyway.
Not sure about the Harrier Is but the Harrier IIs were actually a design effort of Boeing and BAE using brit roles royce engines.
most harriers crash because of engine failure BTW....But at least the brits make a good ejection seat.... ;) JK
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spectator view
Amazing, he wasnt even close to making the manuver...
:confused:
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Originally posted by hawker238
L-39?
The L39 is a chezk plane that the air force is testing right now to possibly replace one of its trainer varients.....i think the T-37...but not sure Great little plane though...TRUE STORY the guages up close still say C.C.C.P.
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Dang they called 1-5 knocking off really quickly. I can only imagine the feeling in those cockpits when they didn't hear 6.