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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on December 07, 2001, 11:40:00 PM
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would get more use in the main arenas than any fancy foriegn bomber.
and they would too.
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We already have a US heavy and medium bomber.
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I'm sure you'll see em eventually.
What i'd give for a B-25H with the 75mm :) My fave bomber in WB
Pyro said once that a bomber is equal to 4 fighters in time spent. That's why there are so few. I'm sure eventually we'll see plenty of them represented, including of course the Mitchell and Liberator.
Whether the Americanki already have x or y bomber is personally irrelevant to me. B-25 was one sweet ride in WB and I'd hate to see it get overlooked just because we already have the B-26.
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Maybe someday we'll have B-25's and B-24's skip bombing convoys on the ocean aye? Now that would be :cool:.
Not sure but thought I remember on comarisons between B-24's and B-17's: B-24 carried greater bomb load, B-24 had higher speed, greater range, but more fragile wings?
Tango, 1st Lt.
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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They could always do the B24 or B25 in RAF markings, and the B25 even in Soviet markings. Eventually I would like to see the B25H! :) I would like to see both of these aircraft very much, but a Luftwaffe and Japanese bomber is higher priority imo.
Regards
Nexx
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B25 in RAF markings? mmmmmm :)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/revvin/b25.jpg)
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Rheinmetall MK 108 30MM Cannon. That is my answer... With so many buffs(1.09) I will also need a G6/U4
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Yeah, B25H! I couldn't care less what countries have what bombers already or who made the B25H...I want it. :)
SOB
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HT, Pyro, Superfly, Nate, Yankee, Ronnie;
DO NOT listen to any of these pretenders.
What you want to put in is a B-25C, 345th "Air Apaches", 501st "Black Panthers", strafer nose. As soon as possible too, please. You know, none of us are getting any younger... hint, hint, hint. BTW, his birthday is Dec. 30. :)
You REALLY, REALLY want this.. you are getting very sleepy... you REALLY, REALLY want this.... ;)
Unlike these other dreamers, I will compensate you for your efforts.
Scotch? No problemo. KC Barbeque? Delivered FedEX.
Bring the B-25C, 345th "Air Apaches", 501st "Black Panthers", strafer nose to ACES HIGH!
Thank you for your kind attention. ;)
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yes! a B24 and a B25 :cool:
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or why not b29? i need something to spend my perks on. (cant stand that useless flying sausage with jet engines.)
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Please folks at HTC, pay no attention to Toad. Alas his memory is failing him and in his old age he has become completely senile. He meant to say "Hear, hear, bring the B25H!", and it's good to see that he did have a moment of clarity in there as well. That being when he offered to buy you booze and bbq for your efforts in bringing the B25H to AH! Sorry for the misunderstanding, and my heart goes out to Toad! :p :D
SOB
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H model.. BAH!
The 345th had one squadron comprised solely of G's and H's. The 75mm used a "Christmas Tree" sight right in front of the pilot for aiming. Ask any of them... it was pretty much worthless for hitting anything EXCEPT when used one way:
They had success against shipping if they got down right on the wave tops.. literally with the props a few feet above the water and drove straight at the side of a ship. They squeezed off at the same range you would open with .50's.. and then they would get hits. Otherwise, you were just wasting ammo.
(So, forget about hitting a moving tank with it. I think it had 21 rounds too; not enough to do much in AH. Look at the tank guns.)
These are the same tactics the Strafer Nose guys used, with one big difference (especially applicable to AH):
When the .50's all cut loose, the AA gunners in the open gun tubs usually lost interest in tracking and shooting real fast.
So the B-25 would cross the ship at an angle, dropping 1 500 lb just before they pulled up (skip bomb), another as they started the pull up and the last one as they crossed the deck. This usually gave you at least one hit and the concussion alone from any near misses would often sink a lightly built freighter. It would spring plates and cause leaks even on armored warships. The G/H's attacked this way as well.
My Dad flew a brand spanking new H from Savannah, GA to Nadzab, New Guinea. It flies pretty much exactly the way a C would.
The Strafer Nose C's and D's were much more effective hitting airfields and low-level ground targets than the G/H 75mm was. Besides that, the 8 .50's would actually cut the Japanese coastal barges in half in one pass. The 75mm had a hard time hitting those.
In AH, the "strafer nose" -25's would be MUCH more useful in our strat situation.
Bring the 345th/501st B-25C Strafer Nose to AH! (and I'll try to bring my Dad to the next con!)
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like it or not the core reason bombers arent flown as much is because many are bored with them. there is only 3 effective bombers in AH and the only ones that get used regularly. most people grow tired fo flying the same airplane quickly.
if your going to add a buff that will get used add the b24 and b25
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Anyone have the vital specs on the Liberator? (i. e.- bombload, defensive weaponry, speed, range, etc...) I do know it was one of the most survivable bombers in the war, but that could have been because the types of missions it flew. Or not...
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OK, maybe he ain't so senile after all! :)
SOB
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The B25H had a radar aimed 75mm cannon. This cannon was extremely accurate against ships. In fact, it was so accurate, that during a training mission a B25 actually shot the metal mast of a wooden ship in two with its 75mm cannon. I think that the B25H would fill a needed position as an extreme low level attack bomber. The b26 cannot strafe a base due to its low fire power and lack of parachute bombs.
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"most people grow tired fo flying the same airplane quickly."
That is a matter of personal taste; I've flown the P-51D 95% of my online time since 1997 and am still quite satisfied with it.
Personally i think there's so few bombers in AH because they're so vulnerable. As long as you don't make a dead 6 attack you can kill one with a single pass in even 6 x .50 plane, to say nothing of a cannon monster. Version 1.09 may well change this.
J_A_B
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Iron,
Goin going to have to ask you to provide some references on a "radar guided 75 mm in the B-25H.
I have never seen nor heard of that.
As I said, my Dad was awfully familiar with a brand new H in 1943. He's never said anything about radar aboard. He's mentioned the "Christmas tree" visual sight many times, and I've seen that published as well.
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What we really need is a Tu-2S and a He-177...
Runs........
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we are getting tu2 and ki67 all countries who had historical bombing ability now have at least 1 bomber
HTC will need more bombers capable of surviving in the Main arena now that the scenario aspect is covered for the planeset.
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Citabria,
Where'd ya hear we were getting the Tu-2S?
Last I'd heard there were problems with getting all of the required info to do a Tu-2.
I think there are also several other bombers that would see use in the MA, the Ju188A-1, Do217E-1 and He177A-5 for example.
I don't know that those should be added before the B-25 and/or B-24, but I do think they'd see usage.
Personally the US bomber I want to see is the B-29A.
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Originally posted by Citabria:
we are getting tu2 and ki67 all countries who had historical bombing ability now have at least 1 bomber
HTC will need more bombers capable of surviving in the Main arena now that the scenario aspect is covered for the planeset.
Anyone gotta link for image of TU-2?
TUmor
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"all countries who had historical bombing ability now have at least 1 bomber"
Not really. The Italians had several bombers types.
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Yup. Ain't seen an SM.79 yet.
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OK, Iron... right at the end of their usage, a few H models had a ranging radar.
However, during the time they were most heavily used, H's did not have a ranging radar.
Found an intersting bit on it, too.
B-25H Page (http://pages.prodigy.com/jing_bao/b25h.htm)
The B-25H carried the extraordinarily potent armament of fourteen 0.50 inch machine guns and a 75-mm cannon, and could also carry up to 3200 pounds of bombs or a 2000-pound torpedo. The cannon carried by the B-25H was bore-sighted at 1000 yards and was generally fired at altitudes from 1000 feet at the beginning an attack to 500 feet at the end. The sighting was done with the N-6A sight, and the guns were fired by the pilot, there being no bombardier or copilot aboard.
During an attack, cannon fire was usually opened at 2000 yards, with an average of three rounds being fired by the time the aircraft closed to 1000 yards.
Combat sorties confirmed that the cannon-armed B-25H offered no particular advantage over specially-adapted strafers armed exclusively with machine guns.
At this stage in the war, targets specifically suited for cannon attack were relatively few and far between, and many targets that were vulnerable to the cannon were also vulnerable to a battery of 0.50-inch machine guns or to bombs.
Consequently, the use of the heavy cannon was generally abandoned in the South-West Pacific by August of 1944.
In September, the B-25Hs were either passed along to the 38th Bombardment Group (which was already operating B-25Gs) or returned to depots. Unlike most other groups, the 38th Bombardment Group actually welcomed the H model.
24 B-25Hs were taken on strength by the 11th Bombardment Squadron, 341st Bomb Group, of the Fourteenth Air Force for interdiction work in China in early 1944. They were first employed on river sweeps. In November the 11th Squadron received a few examples of the new APG-13A radar ranging equipment for use with the 75-mm cannon.
This enabled the precise range to a target to be determined at all times during an attacking run, making precise aiming much simpler. This equipment was operated by the navigator, and was installed in B-25Hs 43-4584, 4071, 4924, 4989, and 4601.
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Glad you mentioned it. I learn something new every day!