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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on January 28, 2004, 01:44:16 PM
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Interesting read, but in my opinion, much to explosive to be true...
Anyone have any corroboratory details?
Iraqi govt. papers: Saddam bribed Chirac
BAGHDAD, Jan. 28 (UPI) -- Documents from Saddam Hussein's oil ministry reveal he used oil to bribe top French officials into opposing the imminent U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
The oil ministry papers, described by the independent Baghdad newspaper al-Mada, are apparently authentic and will become the basis of an official investigation by the new Iraqi Governing Council, the Independent reported Wednesday.
"I think the list is true," Naseer Chaderji, a governing council member, said. "I will demand an investigation. These people must be prosecuted."
Such evidence would undermine the French position before the war when President Jacques Chirac sought to couch his opposition to the invasion on a moral high ground.
A senior Bush administration official said Washington was aware of the reports but refused further comment.
French diplomats have dismissed any suggestion their foreign policy was influenced by payments from Saddam, but some European diplomats have long suspected France's steadfast opposition to the war was less moral than monetary.
"Oil runs thicker than blood," is how one former ambassador put his suspicions about the French motives for opposing action against Saddam.
Al-Mada's list cites a total of 46 individuals, companies and organizations inside and outside Iraq as receiving Saddam's oil bribes, including officials in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Sudan, China, Austria and France, as well as the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian Communist Party, India's Congress Party and the Palestine Liberation Organization.
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What exactly were iraqis supposed to bribe Chirac for?
To make Chirac pretend that Iraq did not have WMDs?
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
What exactly were iraqis supposed to bribe Chirac for?
To make Chirac pretend that Iraq did not have WMDs?
miko
To not kick Saddam Hussein out of office.
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Originally posted by miko2d
What exactly were iraqis supposed to bribe Chirac for?
To make Chirac pretend that Iraq did not have WMDs?
miko
To make France use it's veto power in the UN, perhaps.
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Lets be honest. Bribery is a common tactic in all Governments.
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Originally posted by Ping
Lets be honest. Bribery is a common tactic in all Governments.
And that's before we even start talking about all the dirty tricks they pull...
BTW, Ping, on your Avatar...
I thought that guys name was Bing...or Bong...
Is it Ping?
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Do you have a link for this?
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The avatar is the one and only Max, of Lucas Arts Sam n Max.
My Kids and I used to love playing that game.
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Welcome to Sunday 8 O'Clock news.
Btw he is not on the list but some others liberal and conservative scum are.
Also you need to check when this took place.
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Straffo, you are not allowed to post on this one, YOU are French, Thus you may have been bribed and are hereby disqualified.
Have a good day Sir. :D
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Want some oil Ping ?
I promise to make a low price just for you :D
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O K :)
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Here's the original report that UPI used:http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=485407 (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=485407)
The Independent article includes this caveat, noticably lacking from the UPI wire:
"There is the possibility that the documents in al-Mada are forgeries. At present there is almost a war of documents under way as Iraqis come to the realisation that they could be used as blackmail or as a settling of scores. And the leak of the documents could be a manipulation by the US-backed authorities in Iraq to discredit France."
So it's still a moot point as to whether the documents are genuine or just another false alarm like the mobile labs, the suspcious powder, the mortar shells et al: "follow the yellowcake road". ;) We shall see, we shall see.
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"Oil runs thicker than blood,"
You'd have to be pretty stupid to imagine this doesn't apply equally to the US as well :rolleyes:
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Momus--: You'd have to be pretty stupid to imagine this doesn't apply equally to the US as well :rolleyes:
I imagine that if French decided to change regime in oppressive non-democratic terrorism-spreading Saudi Arabia our administration would raise quite a noise.
miko
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9/10 articles muckmaw posts are outright lies from questionable sources.
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they get their pantys twisted (for profit) on am radio and this mindless drivel is the result.
basicly if its not bull**** it dosent matter anyway as the evidence sucks and the party doing the investigating has a huge axe to grind and the fact that they have been lieing a blue streak for almost 4 years dont help.
next troll please.....
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
9/10 articles muckmaw posts are outright lies from questionable sources.
You have evidence to disprove this article?
If you read my comments, you see that I find it hard to believe as well, and posted it to see if anyone had any corroborative articles.
Can you prove this article is an "Outright lie" or is this the one article that is truthful? PLease post links to the other 9 lies I've posted.
UPI is a questionable source?
Have anything else to add?
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On guy on the list admited being paid ...
The only problem it that he admited being paid Loooooooooooooooonnnng time before this news :D
it ain't new.
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Originally posted by Ping
Lets be honest. Bribery is a common tactic in all Governments.
Oh how reasonable of you....
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"I think the list is true," Naseer Chaderji, a governing council member, said. "I will demand an investigation. These people must be prosecuted."
There are 46 nations on that list, including the US.
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Grun,
Not meant to be reasonable. Just that this is not shocking news.
I distinctly recall Turkey being enticed with promises of funds just to ensure coming onside of some, hmm, can't quite recall the event in question.
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"I imagine that if French decided to change regime in oppressive non-democratic terrorism-spreading Saudi Arabia our administration would raise quite a noise."
I for one, wouldn't lose any sleep over it. If the French did, would it be, No blood for oil again?
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Originally posted by Ping
Grun,
Not meant to be reasonable. Just that this is not shocking news.
I distinctly recall Turkey being enticed with promises of funds just to ensure coming onside of some, hmm, can't quite recall the event in question.
IRAQ =! USA
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Not like USA hasn't taken bribes or tried to bribe..
Can't say the french only are taking bribes or tried to bribe.
Just different nations and different bribes...
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There is no equvalencty between USA and Iraq. Iraq was a nation under the closest possible legal, political and economic restrictions, and France knew it. If it took bribes from Iraq during this time then it would have to be an extreme violation.
But like I said to Ping, when the scandal involves France, Iraq whatever (anyone except the USA, Bush, the mythical "big bussines" monster etc) you guys all reasonable and think nothing of it...
Just imagine how up in arms you would be if this was a charge against the usa in some way....
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your right there is no equivilency. Iraq invaded two counties. The US has invaded dozens in our life time.
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Only Canada is left. So watch your mouth - Bush is watching. :D
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Grun, My comment was meant as was written. It was not directed at any one country because, they all do it. It was due to an
automatic reaction on your part that I posted an example you might remember that strikes close to home.
Stop thinking that everything is an attack on everything you hold near and dear.
We now return to our regularily schedueled political commentary.
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I hope you remember that...
As for your Turkey example, do you really think thats even remotely copmorable to Iraq, a nation under the strictest sanctions possible, possibly bribing a UNSC veto member?
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remember what ?
Da mn Ive already forgotten :D
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Remember that all countries do "it" (whaterver It may be at tye time) so its really no big deal.
For example next time you bash the USA aill just quote your post and say all countries do it and you will the agree its honestly no big deal, right?
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Not all countries does warring at foreign soil, because of non-existant weapons :D
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Grun, are you honestly surprised that oil or money was used this way by Iraq? This kinda corruption, questionable tactics, coerction whatever you want to call it is the norm for every country.
Politicians are scum bags that will use every means possible to stay in power or advance their objectives, and money tends to work the best at times.
Jeez this is just politics as usual.
So, Lets be honest. Bribery is a common tactic in all Governments.
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No I'm not surprised. It was obvious from day one that saddam had bought of France and Russia and possibly Germany despite sanction restrictions.
Putin, Chirac and Schroder are war crimanials. In Den Haag!!!! In Den Haag!!!
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Ive been looking for but cant find this list.
Any links?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
No I'm not surprised. It was obvious from day one that saddam had bought of France and Russia and possibly Germany despite sanction restrictions.
Putin, Chirac and Schroder are war crimanials. In Den Haag!!!! In Den Haag!!!
I don't think violation of sanctions goes into the war crimes caterogy, however invading countries with made up excuses often is considered as something like that...
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Originally posted by Ping
Ive been looking for but cant find this list.
Any links?
sorry you have to pay :)
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
No I'm not surprised. It was obvious from day one that saddam had bought of France and Russia and possibly Germany despite sanction restrictions.
Are you sure is it applicable in this case ?
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What kind of news services you have in america ?
pfff ... and I won't translate sorry :)
"Al Mada" révèle, documents à l'appui, où et comment les revenus pétroliers irakiens, sous Saddam Hussein, se sont évaporés. Des hommes politiques, des journalistes et des partis ont obtenu des millions de barils de Saddam. "Al Mada" s'est procuré une partie des documents de l'Entreprise nationale de Commercialisation du Pétrole irakien qui comportent la liste nominative des personnes et entreprises ayant bénéficié, dans le cadre de l'accord "pétrole contre nourriture", de quantités considérables de pétrole brut irakien sur ordre personnel de Saddam Hussein. Les coupons, ainsi signés par le président déchu, concernent la troisième phase de l'arrangement, puisque les deux premières limitaient, conformément aux résolutions de l'ONU, les clients de l'Irak aux opérateurs pétroliers qui possèdent des raffineries, alors que la troisième phase de l'application de l'arrangement a autorisé la fourniture de pétrole à tout opérateur.
Sous cette appellation technique, apparaissent des noms de personnes, d'entreprises, d'organisations, d'hommes et de partis politiques qui n'ont rien à voir avec le secteur pétrolier, dont notamment l'Église orthodoxe russe. On pourrait comprendre le cas de la journaliste syrienne Hamida Naanaa, qui a défendu le régime déchu pour faire vivre son journal "indépendant" grâce à la générosité du dictateur irakien, mais alors que vient faire le nom du fils de l'ancien président égyptien Gamal Abdel Nasser dans cette liste?? Que dire de la parlementaire jordanienne Toujane Al Fayçal, de la présidente indonésienne, ou encore du fils du ministre syrien de la Défense ou du rejeton du président libanais??
Depuis que le régime déchu a accepté l'arrangement "pétrole contre nourriture", il l'a vite transformé en un outil commercial et en un jeu politique qui lui ont permis de financer ses achats d'armes et de matériaux de construction destinés à édifier ses palais luxueux. Il a ainsi transformé les contrats de vente de pétrole en la pire opération d'achat des consciences et des plumes, en dilapidant la richesse nationale. Depuis, la pratique d'attribuer des coupons s'est répandue afin de mobiliser les bénéficiaires pour la défense du régime, pour briser l'embargo et lever les sanctions. L'embargo n'a finalement pas visé le régime, mais le peuple. A posteriori, on comprend mieux pourquoi, chaque fois que les sanctions allaient être allégées, le régime faisait en sorte de les faire perdurer.
Le régime déchu a toujours eu besoin des autres pour se sentir puissant. Il a ainsi transformé les bonnes volontés des défenseurs du peuple irakien contre l'embargo en outils politiques d'une extraordinaire bassesse. Ce régime a fini par rassembler exclusivement autour de lui les mendiants. Les baassistes vantaient ses mérites en recevant les nombreuses délégations, mais ils ne savaient pas que les visiteurs venaient, non pas pour les défendre, mais pour toucher leurs récompenses.
Le cas du député travailliste britannique George Galloway est édifiant. Dès qu'il s'est rapproché du régime déchu, il a été contaminé par la corruption. Il fut expulsé du parti, après les critiques qu'il avait adressées à Tony Blair et à George Bush. Nous ne pensons pas qu'il puisse démentir, puisque les documents officiels irakiens le condamnent. Ces documents désignent nommément Galloway à six reprises comme le destinataire final des coupons signés par Saddam. Galloway se cachait ainsi derrière des entreprises vitrines de nationalité étrangère non britannique.
À la consultation de ces documents, il ressort certains noms dont nous ignorons s'il s'agit de personnes ou d'entreprises, comme "Samir". Et il faut l'expliquer pour découvrir la technique avec laquelle le régime, et Saddam Hussein, distribuaient ces coupons, sans compromettre leurs amis. Ainsi, Samir est un prénom très répandu, mais il pourrait également s'agir d'une entreprise, (la SAMIR, compagnie pétrolière marocaine, NDLR). Cette technique très élaborée ressort à la lecture du :
Contrat daté du 29/12/1999 pour le compte de l'entreprise finlandaise OY-Fortum Oil and Gas avec mention : pour le compte de George Galloway : 3 millions de barils (intermédiaire : Burhan Jalabi).
Contrat daté du 10/7/2001 pour le compte de "Aredio Petrolium du Jordanien Fawwaz Zreikate avec mention : George Galloway : 4 millions de barils.
Contrat daté du 6/8/2001 pour le compte de Middle East Semi-conductor Inc. Du Jordanien Fawwaz Zreikate avec mention : destinataire Galloway, 3 millions de barils.
Contrat pour la même entreprise jordanienne, du 3/5/2001 : destinataire final : George Galloway, 2 millions de barils.
Contrat du 12/12/2002, pour les mêmes destinataires précédents, 3 millions de barils.
Contrat semblable daté du 3/6/2002, 3 millions de barils. Ainsi, George Galloway a bénéficié de six contrats, sous des appellations différentes. Tous ces documents sont signés et datés par le ministre du Pétrole de Saddam Hussein. Mais pourquoi la mention nominative de Galloway dans ces contrats?? Sans doute pour rappeler au ministre le destinataire final du contrat, et obtenir son aval sans en débattre. Et c'est vraisemblablement le cas de tous les autres bénéficiaires, qu'il s'agisse d'hommes politiques, d'ONG, de partis politiques ou d'entreprises.
En face du nom des bénéficiaires est précisée la date de l'attribution mais, pour gagner du temps, nous reproduisons simplement les noms, y compris les noms écorchés, et la quantité de pétrole qui leur est destinée :
Syrie
1- Awad Amoura (plus de 18 millions de barils 18mb) 2- Bachar Nouri (plus de 12 mb) 3- Ghassan Challah (11 mb) 4- Mohammed Ammar Naoufal (3,5 mb) 5- Tamam Chehab (1 mb) 6- Hamida Naanaa (plus de 9 mb) 7- Firas Mustapha Tlass (6 mb) 8- Salim Al-Toun (3,5 mb) 9- Lotfi Fawzi (2,5 mb) 10- Lid pour les réalisations (3,5 mb) 11- Ghassan Zaccaria (6 mb) 12- Mohammed Maamoun Sabii (4 mb) 13- Hassan Kayyal (2 mb) 14- Anwar Al Aqad (2 mb)
Oman
1- Groupe Chanfari (5 mb)
Chypre
1- Mohammed Al Houni (plus de 17 mb) 2- Naphta Petrolium (13,2 mb) 3- Continental (3 mb)
Turquie
1- Zeinelabidine Ardam (plus de 27 mb) 2- Lotfi Dougane (plus de 11 mb) 3- Mohammed Aslan (13 mb) 4- Takfun (15,5 mb) 5- KCK entreprise (1,5 mb) 6- Delta Petrolium (4 mb) 7- SITA (2 mb) 8- OZIA (2 mb) 9- SAMIR (2 mb) 10- Muhtashem (2 mb) 11- Mukdar Sajzine (2 mb)
Vietnam
1- Finapco (1,2 mb) 2- Darlink Med (3 mb) 3- Fina Food (6 mb) 4- OSC (2 tonnes)
Soudan
1- Smaso (8 mb) 2- Entrprise de production de pétrole (2 tonnes) 3- Oil Plus (2 tonnes)
Yémen
1- Abdelkarim Al-Aryani (7,8 mb) 2- Toufik Abdelrahim (1,5 mb) 3- Chaher Abdelhak (plus de 7 mb)
Bengladesh
1- Moulana Abdelmannan (43,2 mb)
Inde
1- Biham Think (5,5 mb) 2- La parti du Congrès (4 mb)
Pakistan
1- Oil & Gas Group (10 tonnes) 2- Abou Abdelrahmane (11,5 tonnes) 3- Monsieur Azzaz (1 tonne)
Malaisie
1- Fayek Ahmed Chérif (12,5 mb) 2- BITMAL (4 mb) 3- Trad Beer (4 mb) 4- Mastek (Fayek Ahmed Chérif) (57 mb) 5- Hawala (7 mb)
Indonésie
1- La fille du président Suharto (2 mb) 2- Hawa Atlantic (2 mb) 3- Makram Hakim (3 mb) 4- Mégawati (8 mb) 5- Mohammed Amine Rayes (4 mb) 6- Natona Oil (2 mb)
Émirats arabes unis
1- Val Petroleum (1,8 mb) 2- Ahmed Maneh Saïd Al Outaïba ( 11 mb) 3- Jiwan Oil (4 mb) 4- Sultan Bin Zayed Al Nahyan (7,5 mb) 5- Al Hoda (22,9 mb) 6- Issa Bin Zayed AL Nahyan (5 mb) 7- Millinium (2 tonnes) 8- Bonny Fioul (1 tonne)
Maroc
1- Abdallah Salaoui (7,2 mb) 2- Nadel Hachémi (5,7 mb) 3- Mohammed Basri (4,5 mb)
Algérie
1- Abdelmagid Attar (6 mb) 2- Abdelkader Bin Moussa (6 mb)
Tunisie
1- Makades Petrolium (6,7 mb) 2- Vernaco (3,7 mb) 3- Maidor (4 mb)
Italie
1- Roberto Frimigoni (24,5) 2- Selvatori Nikotra (20 mb) 3- Monsieur Felloni (6,5 mb) 4- Père Benjamin (4,5 mb) 5- West Petrol (2 tonnes) 6- Hetrelk (2 tonnes) 7- ABS (1 tonne) 8- Association pétrolière italienne (1 tonne)
Espagne
1- Bassem Kakich (17,5 mb) 2- Javier Robert (9,8 mb) 3- Ali Balloute (8,8 mb)
Yougoslavie
1- Parti socialiste (22 mb) 2- Parti de gauche [JUL ?] (9,5 mb) 3- Parti italien [en Croatie ?] (16 mb) 4- Parti de Kostunica [DSS] (6 mb)
Biélorussie
1- Parti libéral (6 mb) 2- Parti communiste biélorusse (7 tonnes) 3- Entreprise Bielminal (14,2 mb) 4- Entreprise Bielpharm (4 mb) 5- Directeur du cabinet de la présidence (6 mb) 6- Entreprise Lada (2 mb)
Roumanie
1- Ylef Adrelnec (1 mb) 2- Parti du Travail roumain (5,5 mb)
Grande Bretagne
1- George Galloway / Fawwaz Zreikate (19 mb) 2- Moudjahidin du peuple (36,5 mb)
Canada
1- Arthur Mel Holland (9,6 mb)
Etats-Unis
1- Chaker Khafaji (7 mb) 2- Samir Vest. (10,5 mb)
Tchad
1- Ministre des Affaires étrangères (3 mb)
Thaïlande
1- Exportateur du riz Gaïborn (9,5 mb)
Panama
1- Monsieur Sifane (11,5 mb)
Hongrie
1- Parti de l'Intérêt hongrois (4,7 mb)
Afrique du Sud
1- Envium Manangment (Sandi Majali) (9 mb) 2- Tokyo Sixweel (4 mb) 3- Montica (4 mb) 4- Omni Adil (4 mb)
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Thanx Straffo, mind you now i gotta work my brain :(
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Philippines
1- Consortium des producteurs philippins (3 mb)
Pays-Bas
1- Say Polt (3 mb)
France
1- Adax (3 / 8 mb) 2- Traficora (Patrick Mougin) (25 mb) 3- Michel Grimard (1 / 17 mb) 4- Association d'amitié franco-arabe (15,1 mb) 5- X (47,2 mb) 6- Charles Pasqua (12 mb) 7- Elias Ferzli (14,6 mb) 8- A Lotus (Claude Caspar) (4 mb) 9- Bernard Miramé (3 mb) 10- Bernard Miramé (8 mb) 11- Di Suza (11 mb)
Chine
1- Monsieur Juan (39,1 mb) 2- Noresco (17,5 mb) 3- Zyng Rong (13 mb) 4- Byourg (13,5 mb) 5- Thouth Holken (1 mb)
Jordanie
1- Leïth Chbaïlate (15,5 mb) 2- Fakhri Kaouar (6 mb) 3- Grands Ressources (2 mb) 4- Al-Rachid International (Ahmed Al Bachir) (9 mb) 5- Fawwaz Zreikate (6 mb) 6- Salem Naass (6 mb) 7- Ziyad Ragheb (7 mb) 8- Machhour Hadissa (4 mb) 9- Chaker Bin Zaïd (6,5 mb) 10- Mohammed Saleh Hourani (4 mb) 11- Toujane Al Fayçal (3 mb) 12- Ministère de l'Energie (5 mb) 13- Ziyad Yaghmour (2 mb) 14- Wamid Hussein (1 mb)
Palestine
1- Abou Abbas (11,5 mb) 2- Abdallah Hourani (8 mb) 3- Wafa Toufik Sayegh (3,5 mb) 4- OLP (4 mb) 5- FPLP (5 mb) 6- Département politique de l'OLP (5 mb)
Égypte
1- Incom (Mohammed Chattate) (14 mb) 2- Abdelazim Manaf (6 mb) 3- Khaled Gamal Abdel Nacer (16,5 mb) 4- Imad Jelda (14 mb) 5- Mohammed Salah (7 mb) 6- Mohammed Helmi (4,5 mb) 7- Entreprises arabes unies (6 mb) 8- Entreprise Nil-Euphrate (3 mb) 9- Mahmoud Majdi Maasraoui (7 mb) 10- Entreprise Alhami Bachandi (2 mb) 11- Entreprise Moultaka al Daouli (2 mb)
Liban
1- BP Energy (2 mb) 2- Fadi Almieh (2 mb) 3- Haïtham Sidani (2 mb) 4- Planet Petrolium (1 mb) 5- Georges Tarkhanian (7 mb) 6- Le fils du président Lahoud (4,5 mb) 7- Ali Tohmé (1 mb) 8- Entreprise Al Hilal (Adnan Janabi) (1 mb) 9- Entreprise internationale pour le commerce et l'investissement (3 mb) 10- Fayçal Dernaïka (3 mb) 11- FIM Oil (1 mb) 12- Najah Wakim (3 mb) 13- Oussama Maarouf (3 mb) 14- Zouhair Al Khatib (3,5 mb)
Bahreïn
1- Entreprise Kazem Darrazi (2 mb) 2- Ent. Ali Al Mouslem (3 mb) 3- Ent. Concret pour constructions (2 mb)
Arabie Saoudite
1 - Entreprise Naja (3 mb) 2 - ASSIS entreprise (2 mb)
Qatar
1- Hamas Ali Al Thani (14 mb) 2- Dalimi Group (4 mb) 3- Gulf Petrolium (2 mb) 4- Petrolina Oil (2 mb) 5- Entreprise d'entretien des puits pétroliers (2 mb)
Libye
1- Choukri Ghanem (1 mb)
Brésil
1- Fouad Sarhane (10 mb) 2- Mouvement du 8 octobre (Chaviez) (4,5 mb)
Irlande
1- Riad Taher (11 mb) 2- Afro Eastern (2 mb)
Nigeria
1- Haisson (7,2 mb) 2- Entreprise ZAZ (7,5 mb) 3- Entreprise IEG (ambassadeur du Nigeria) (1 mb) 4- Campaq (4 mb)
Kenya
1- Mohammed Othman Saïd (10,5 mb)
Bulgarie
1- Parti socialiste bulgare (12 mb) 2- Arak Pol (2 mb)
Autriche
1- Hunz Kolger (3 mb) 2- Association arabo-autrichienne (1 mb)
Suisse
1- Media (2 mb) 2- Delta Service (2 mb) 3- Iblom (1 mb) 4- Sepool (2 mb) 5- Klinko (12 mb) 6- Lakia (2 mb) 7- Alkon (23 mb) 8- Toros (8 mb) 9- Petrogas (5 mb) 10- Finar (21 mb) 11- Napkes (3 mb)
Slovaquie
1- Parti communiste slovaque (4 mb)
Ukraine
1- Parti démocrate social (8,5 mb) 2- Parti communiste ukrainien (6 mb) 3- Energy Ressources (2 mb) 4- Naphto Gas (8 mb) 5- Vasmach Imbex (2 mb) 6- Hu (Sokolov) (5 mb) 7- Orchatski (4,5 mb) 8- Fider Alti Torkomvki (1 mb) 9- Trans Esco (1 mb) 10- Maison Ukrainienne (10 mb) 11- FTD (2 mb) 12- Parti socialiste ukrainien (2 mb)
Russie
Les documents concernant la Russie font ressortir des dons de l'ordre de 1,336 milliard de barils. Cette précision concerne seulement les dons à l'Etat de Russie. Quant aux particuliers, organisations et partis : la liste s'établie comme suit :
1. Ent. Zarabachkand (176,5 mb) 2- Russ Napht Embex (Azakof du cabiet présidentiel) (86,9 mb, dont 1 mb qui revient à l'ambassadeur russe à Bagdad). 3- Les entreprise du Parti communiste russe (137 mb) 4- Amercom (ministère des situations d'urgences) (57 mb) 5- Entreprise M-chino-import (83,5 mb) 6- Alpha Eco (ministère des Affaires étrangères) (128,8 mb) 7- Petromin (Ministère des Affaires étrangères) (30,1 mb) 8- Slav Naphte (Gotisrev 25,5 mb) 9- Zan Gas (49,1 mb) 10- Russ Napht (35,5 mb) 11- Kazine Invest (8,5 mb) 12- Kalm Napht-Gas (7,5 mb) 13- Gasprom (26 mb) 14- Tat Napht (Tatarestan) (64,5 mb) 15- Bach Napht (12 mb) 16- Louk Oil (64 mb) 17- Sergot Napht(-Gas (4 mb) 18- Siberia Napht-Gas (1 mb) 19- Naphta Moscou (25,1 mb) 20- Onaco (22,2 mb) 21- Sidanco (21,2 mb) 22- Sibnapht (8,1 mb) 23- Trans Napht (9 mb) 24- Yokos (2 mb) 25- Entreprises du parti libéral démocrate (Jérinovski) (79,8 mb) 26- Entreprises du parti de la paix et de l'unité (34 mb) 27- Comité russe de solidarité avec l'Irak (6,5 mb) 28- Association russe de solidarité avec l'Irak (12,5 mb) 29- Russ Napht-Gas export (12,5 mb) 30- Oral Invest (8,5 mb) 31- Académie moscovite des sciences (3,5 mb) 32- Raoumine (fils de l'ancien ambassadeur à Bagdad 19,7 mb) 33- Université Gopken (3,5 mb) 34- Group Northwest (2 mb) 35- Gas Prom (Monsieur Hassan 3 mb dont 1 million livré) 36- Nicolas Rijkov (13 mb) 37- Story Napht & Gas (6 mb) 38- Akht Napht (4,5 mpb) 39- Administration tchétchène (2 mb) 40- Adel Hilaoui (A.N.M aviation) (5 mb) 41- Khrouzelt (5 mb) 42- Trans Naphta (3 mb) 43- Directeur du cabinet présidentiel (5 mb) 44- Eglise orthodoxe de Russie (5 mb) 45- Parti nationaliste russe (2 mb)
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Originally posted by Fishu
I don't think violation of sanctions goes into the war crimes caterogy, however invading countries with made up excuses often is considered as something like that...
They are worse than Hitler!!!! In Den Haag!!
Straffo, please stop posting in French, it's considered very rude. :D
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0425/p01s04-woiq.htm
Newly found Iraqi files raise heat on British MP
Documents indicate payments of more than $10 million for support of Labour Party official.
By Philip Smucker | Special to The Christian Science Monitor
Editor's note: Documents at the center of the allegations contained in this article have since been shown to be forgeries. The Monitor therefore acknowledges that the allegations are false and has apologized to Mr. Galloway for their publication. The story detailing that Monitor conclusion is available
here (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0620/p01s03-woiq.htm)
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You should have just said Everyone is on the list :lol
Grun: I will find the source again, apparrantly America looked past the Turkish oil smuggling to ensure they stayed onside.
Oh the Shock, The Horror. Im outraged. ;)
The source is the link provided by dead.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Straffo, please stop posting in French, it's considered very rude. :D
I am :)
nothing new move along ;)
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Galloway is awful communist dog, he should be imprisoned or worse.
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Don't even really know who he is. However this doesn't change the documents in question.
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Galloway is awful communist dog, he should be imprisoned or worse.
Maybe in your fascistic wet-dream, but over here we'll just imprison him if he was guilty. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Not like USA hasn't taken bribes or tried to bribe..
Can't say the french only are taking bribes or tried to bribe.
Just different nations and different bribes...
Not saying this isn't true, which it certainly is... but do you notice a certain trend to hold America accountable for committing acts the rest of the world routinely commits? You are one of the most vocal and snide about American politics. I just can't remember you having as much contempt for any other country that does what the US does.
And before you try to flip that back on me, name a country I have shown as much venom as you have the US. Jabs at Scandinavian countries don't count; that was total sarcasm in the context of the America bashing going on within the respective threads.
Face it, if you stuck "America" in the story instead of "France" several of you guys would have lapped it up with a spoon.
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Kieran,
You assume too much, thats your problem
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Kieran is DEAD ON.
Thant's your problem.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Putin, Chirac and Schroder are war crimanials. In Den Haag!!!! In Den Haag!!!
so would Bush for INVADING a SOVERIEGN country....based upon the IMMINENT THREAT of WMD's.
but I'll stick with the ARROGANT theory instead.
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ROFL! You guys are acting like this is a startling revelation.
Any numbskull who can read could see that saddam was bribing france and germany with oil. While it wasn't direct bribe (i.e. here's some oil), it was pretty obvious.
France and Germany got their oil for prices so low that it was an abomination for the people starving in iraq. The iraqi's knew this. If the US went in and gave the power to the people, the people would know that France and Germany were dicking them over. So they wouldn't sell any oil to france and germany.
BINGO! France and Germany must now find something to replace the 75-80% oil amount that they got from iraq. They be screwed.
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Any numbskull who can read could see that saddam was bribing france and germany with oil. While it wasn't direct bribe (i.e. here's some oil), it was pretty obvious.
France and Germany got their oil for prices so low that it was an abomination for the people starving in iraq. The iraqi's knew this. If the US went in and gave the power to the people, the people would know that France and Germany were dicking them over. So they wouldn't sell any oil to france and germany.
BINGO! France and Germany must now find something to replace the 75-80% oil amount that they got from iraq. They be screwed.
What an amazing imagination you have!
Iraq owed money to France, Germany and Russia for infrastructure work. I really don't see huge hikes in petrol prices over there because of this sudden halt in the oil supply. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
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Sigh. :(
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Only Canada is left. So watch your mouth - Bush is watching. :D
lol I thought PM Martin was going to give Bush a big fat kiss. I think there is love there.. His giggle was all over the news here till it was pushed out by Deans shreak.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
they get their pantys twisted (for profit) on am radio and this mindless drivel is the result.
basicly if its not bull**** it dosent matter anyway as the evidence sucks and the party doing the investigating has a huge axe to grind and the fact that they have been lieing a blue streak for almost 4 years dont help.
next troll please.....
Yup...don't matter what anyone else does or did....Bush sucks and it's all his fault.
You're blinded by your own hatred...care to talk about it?
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Originally posted by Fishu
I don't think violation of sanctions goes into the war crimes caterogy, however invading countries with made up excuses often is considered as something like that...
Sucks don't it
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Originally posted by Pongo
your right there is no equivilency. Iraq invaded two counties. The US has invaded dozens in our life time.
For credibility sake, could you name the dozens, please?
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Hehehehe, you guys need to buy brains. If this data reveals to be true, it still does concern citizens or companies, not states. For example, a guy such as Charles Pasqua, who was bribed by Saddam wouldn't be really surprising... This man is probably the most corrupted politico of France (he retired if I remember correctly).
That still doesn't mean that Saddam bribed France, heh, if so, he also bribed the US, as some amreekans were bribed too :D
You're a bunch of pathetic loosers who try to find anything to hide the incompetence of your administration...True or false, the chickenhawks don't bother, as long as handsomehunkes hear it on Fox news (in fact they're a bit like fishes, they can't recall something that happened 5 mn ago, unless it concerns the liberals/commies/socialists/french/greens)... That's what we call disinformation:
dis·in·for·ma·tion
n.
Deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by a government or especially by an intelligence agency in order to influence public opinion or the government in another nation: “He would be the unconscious channel for a piece of disinformation aimed at another country's intelligence service” (Ken Follett).
Dissemination of such misleading information.
BINGO! France and Germany must now find something to replace the 75-80% oil amount that they got from iraq. They be screwed.
:rofl :aok Did you know that France imported les iraqi oil than the United States of America ? Nice try.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Maybe in your fascistic wet-dream, but over here we'll just imprison him if he was guilty. Thanks.
He is guilty of being a communist!
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Originally posted by Fishu
Not all countries does warring at foreign soil, because of non-existant weapons :D
Not all countries are capable..........bummer.
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Grun: It really is too bad that you missed out on the McCarthy era.
You woulda loved it.
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Originally posted by Monk
Not all countries are capable..........bummer.
Canadas military could whoop you all. Its the best in the world, but we just choose not to.
:rofl
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Canadas military could whoop you all. Its the best in the world, but we just choose not to.
Oh ya!!:D
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Did you know that France imported les iraqi oil than the United States of America ? Nice try.
Ummm, no. Just because you said it, doesn't make it true.
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Originally posted by SLO
so would Bush for INVADING a SOVERIEGN country....based upon the IMMINENT THREAT of WMD's.
but I'll stick with the ARROGANT theory instead.
Excuse me, but if you want to get technical, this invasion was a resumption of hostilities from Desert Storm. Iraq violated the terms of the cease fire, and prompted the ensuing invasion and occupation.
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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
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:rofl :aok Did you know that France imported les iraqi oil than the United States of America ? Nice try.
Did we pay the regular rate, or the discounted "Nudge Nudge Wink Wink Use Your Veto Power" Rate?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Excuse me, but if you want to get technical, this invasion was a resumption of hostilities from Desert Storm. Iraq violated the terms of the cease fire, and prompted the ensuing invasion and occupation.
I though it was for WMD ?
Someone lied to me ?
Damm ... it's naughty.
Concerning the price the source are public so : do ur own search
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Did we pay the regular rate, or the discounted "Nudge Nudge Wink Wink Use Your Veto Power" Rate?
If you ever studied this affair, you'd know that Saddam didn't give them oil:
-hi, an UPS tanker for you sir. Can you sign this paper? Should I park this 150 000 t tanker in your swimming pool?
They got cash.
Can't wait the next Pentagon hoax:
We found proofs that Saddam sent oil to France via cars. Saddam's secret tip was to put the oil in the car's tank, and then, on to Paris! Some would argue that once in Paris, the tanks would have been empty. But we all know that the French are not only French, they are also witches!
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Originally posted by Ping
Lets be honest. Bribery is a common tactic in all Governments.
Didn't the US try to Bribe Turkey into allowing US Troops to invade Iraq from Turkey by promising them billions of dollars of aide... just like they bribed Spain and the other 3rd world, insignificant, countries which supported the US?
The President of Turkey wanted it... but the Turkish parliment didn't want to be just another Bush Poodle and share a kennel with Tony Blair!
No.... bribery doesn't happen in international affairs!
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Originally posted by Nakhui
Didn't the US try to Bribe Turkey into allowing US Troops to invade Iraq from Turkey by promising them billions of dollars of aide... just like they bribed Spain and the other 3rd world, insignificant, countries which supported the US?
The President of Turkey wanted it... but the Turkish parliment didn't want to be just another Bush Poodle and share a kennel with Tony Blair!
No.... bribery doesn't happen in international affairs!
So, for clarfication, are you putting concessions made to friendly nations in order to aide in the toppling of a ruthless dictator on a par with the said ruthless dictator's regime bribing members of the UN Security Council to stall, block and even veto actions that had already been approved in the ceasefire agreement of the first gulf war? Just want to be clear on what you are saying.
And Pongo:
I assume you are still putting together the list of the dozens of nations the US has invaded "in our lifetime." I eagerly await that list.