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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zigrat on June 26, 2001, 10:02:00 PM
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fix it its been here for a Golly-geeed year./
im sorry but im pissed off. I just had anpother sortie ruined by it. F**ing fix it!
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They posted that it is not going to be changed...We have to think of it as some fog of war.
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Itsa roll of the dice.... will yer gun armed single light fighter have the punch to get all the acks... or will THIS fediddlein VH ack be the one that needs a cannon round to get it??... it can bug yah when ya try fer that VH ack last.
I take rockets now on most sorties.. even as a fighter. They handle that pesky VH ack and if the sortie turns up a HO'in MoFo, you can always shock the hell outta the guy by tossin 'em all in his face on the first pass.
Muahahhahhaahaaaa!
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LOL! and that's with only one variable in a field closure. Imagine if we didn't know exactly how much ordinance every structure at the field took to down ;)
AKDejaVu
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GEEZ!!! AKDejaVu, don't give them and ideas!!
One to many scotches by the coder and, well...readio traffic may be:
BRING ON THE OTHER 3 LANCS, THIS LAST FH IS TOUGH!!! THE OTHER 2 LANCS CAN DO THE LOCAL RADAR WITH THEIR 4K LBERS AND SAVE THE REST FOR THE LAST 2 ACKS!!
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Imagine if we didn't know exactly how much ordinance every structure at the field took to down
Honestly I kind of like that idea. Would require more planning for base capture.
Bane
412th Braunco Mustangs
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With the number of hangars we have now, there's already plenty of challenge involved in a field capture to me.
I was involved in the mission zigs talking about, and it can be plenty frustrating strafing an ack with MANY rounds, passing over the *ack you think is dead* only to see pings and be shot down along with the 2X1000lbers and rockets that were meant for the vehicle hangar.
All surpise is lost as half your original flight has to reup with yet more ordinance while the enemy is now upping light interceptors.
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2 cannon rounds blow up these so-called "invincible" acks.
THe problem is where?
-SW
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I was involved in the mission zigs talking about, and it can be plenty frustrating strafing an ack with MANY rounds, passing over the *ack you think is dead* only to see pings and be shot down along with the 2X1000lbers and rockets that were meant for the vehicle hangar.
I guess you learned a lesson then. If the vh ack doesn't go down with a few .50's on it.. it isn't going to go down with 1000 .50's on it.
Plan accordingly.
AKDejaVu
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mabye htc should just fix the damned bug
sorry but all of us arent cannon mongers.
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You're not in the software business are you Zig? Bugs are sometimes very difficult to track down when they're not consistently reproducible. Give them time. Ya, I know, its been there along time, keep in mind that sometimes bugs are never squashed too, ESPECIALLY when the programmers cannot reproduce the bug consistently.
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You've flown the following aircraft with atleast 1 cannon this tour Zig:
P38
N1K2
Ki61
IL2
All four Focke-Wulf 190 models
C205
109G2
109G10
109F4
A6M5b
Seafire
Spitfire MkIX
Typhoon IB
Yak-9T
Yup, you sure ain't no cannon monger.
-SW
[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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ZIG GETS ONE STAR!!!
-SW
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LOL Zigrat! And how did you guys get the VH down? Miniguns only?
Someone needs to save a couple of rockets for the VH ack if nobody has cannons. If someone does have cannons, they need to be the one making the VH ack their number one priority.
Sorry, but any argument that involves making field capture more "automatic" is quite silly. The cards are already stacked in your favor. You know exactly where everything is, exactly what it takes to shut it down and exactly how many defenders are airborne before you even launch. The only thing you don't know is if the VH ack will go down with mg's only.. or if it will need cannons/rockets/bombs. Really sounds like your just getting spoiled ;)
AKDejaVu
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Man, you guys crack me up. Somebody gets on the BBS to vent a little, and here comes Rosco (dejavu) & Enos (SW) to crack some heads. Is there anything you guys ever run across and think "hmmm, I disagree with that, but I've blown enough air for the day, so I'll let this one slide"?
<jumps in the "General" with zig and hightails it away from the AK's>
Watch out! here comes boss hogg! (Curly)
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It may well be a "feature" but I too find it an annoyance.
And it acts morso like a bug.
As for tracking it down ... let's see, A17 Vhanger ack seems to have this strange attribute. Least every time I have visited it,it has. :eek:
I dont know how many sorties I have flown with cannons to guide me but I am sure some kind soul with alot time on their hands can "enlighten me". :rolleyes:
Baddawg/Dogftr<-------- or rather as my latest flying style dictates Runackhuggervulchsissyboyrunh ometomommaFTR :D
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Holy crap! Here comes Hblair the biggest flaming queen of them all!
Quick guys, put on your metal undies and plant your tulips firmly on the ground... you can't trust this LimpWristed feller!
-SW
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Oh yeah, if he put this in the BUG REPORT FORUM WHERE IT BELONGS then I would of never replied.
But the lack of placing it in the proper forum, the ever present evidence of squeaking, and the obvious solution at hand (cannons, don't leave home without 'em!) kinda makes me wanna reply.
Hblair is a LimpWristed LittleWiener LuftWeenie!
-SW
[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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Be quiet enos.
:)
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Wow HBlair.. I don't know. Have I ever come in here and said: "HTC FIX IT!"?
And.. did this vh ack suprise anyone? And.. isn't a post like this the simple result of a mission that didn't go perfectly? And.. is the word "venting" interchangeable with the word "whining". And.. isn't critiquing someone for being critical somewhat hypoctical?
In a game where people expect to be able to make multiple passes on anti-aircraft batteries and take them out with 1 .50 calibre ping... this one ack seems bogus. What exactly needs fixing in this scenario?
AKDejaVu
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You think the invincible VH ack is a bug?
HAH!
Ay3 h4><0rd 1t t0 1<1ll hbl41r 3v3ryt1m3 h3 tr1e5 t0 5tr4f3 1t!!!!
Dweebs!
-SW
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Hehe.. just can't help but get the feeling that hblair is becoming the "Daisy Duke" in this particular situation.
Basically.. nice tits.. but please shut up :D
AKDejaVu
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I'll get Fatty to pat him on his bellybutton so he'll get on his way DJ.
-SW
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Deja, to be honest with you, I thought the port acks were not affected by this bug, we were running a mission of 5-6 heavy P47d30's with 2-3 P47d11's for cover. No cons in the area as we dive in on P55. I kill 3 ack on my first pass, the other guys kill some too. On the second pass, all ack was dead, or so we thought. We lost 2 planes I think to that point. The D30's were low on E at this point, tried to egg the vehicle hangar, got squashed by the ack as they made their run at low speed shallow angles.
All but 2-4 of the original flight died. The d11's orbited helplessly waiting on us to reup with more bombs, as ostwinds rolled from their VH, and as fighters started upping from a field to the north.
Thats where we are coming from.
Could we have done something differently? well, we will next time when hitting a port.
Was zig right in posting this? probably not, but I've done plenty of stupider things myself.
SW, do you remember when you got kicked out of the arena by HT? What zig did here doesn't even compare. Where were you then deja? If that would have been anybody other than Enos, they'd still be sitting in the Hazzard County Jail.
:)
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Yeah I remember when I got _MUTED_ by one of HT's flunky "monitor" jackholes.
I didn't do anything wrong, no vulgar language or anything and I was _MUTED_ for no reason other than what I could tell was spite or something just as anally retarded.
Anyways, would you rather be able to strafe down a VH ack with 1 cannon round or be muted for no reason?
-SW
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SW, do you remember when you got kicked out of the arena by HT? What zig did here doesn't even compare. Where were you then deja?
I was handling it private. I sure as hell wasn't in the thread supporting wulfie's actions. I still question the objectivity of the individual doing the banning at the time, but I will redily acknowledge that Wulfie drones on and on and on at times. I'm pretty sure he would too.
So.. basically, my participation in that thread is somewhat similar to your participation in this one hblair. I'm sorry that you guys didn't get that base... but is this reaction really merrited? Is an ack needing a cannon round or better to go down really a bug that merrits fixing RIGHT NOW!? Is it really something that merrits an argument if HTC says they really aren't planning to commit resources to tracking it down?
As for "where your coming from". I guess that's just lack of experience talking. Rookies like you and Zigrat make these kind of mistakes all the time. You guys will learn as you fly more.
I know that any base attack we participate in... the VH ack is the first target... and its status is closely monitored. One plane in on VH ack.. one in on VH. If the MGs don't get the VH ack, it is distracted by the lower plane and VH still goes down. Then, especially at a port, you expend remaining heavy ord on the vh ack until dead. At a port its also good to have one plane focus on the 88's right off the bat. How many planes did you have hitting that port again? How many were heavy?
AKDejaVu
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I disagree....anytime an ASSassin dies it is a good thing. Please leave this bug alone.
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Thanks for the advice Deja, with some practice, I'm sure I can get my 1.47 Attack hit percentage down to your .80
How do you do that? Just miss targets a lot? Spazz and die to the ack as your dropping your bombs most of the time?
Perhaps you can meet me in the training arena and teach me how to do some sloppy jaboing? I'd really appreciate it.
;)
[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Oh so now we're comparing hit %... mine is 1.57... MINE IS BIGGER HAHAHA!
Dweeb!
-SW
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For SW :D 10 seconds (http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/rowgue/10sec.ra)
[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: milnko ]
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SWulfe, I have to go with HBlair on this one. These guys are just trying to post a problem. It appears you seem to make it your personal goal to get on the BBS and let the crap fly. That's just plain stupid.
Stupid is as stupid does :D
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Didn't work Milenko... also your NBCi.com site SUCKS A BIG PIECE OF A FAT SWEATY GUY'S HAIRY ASS!!!
Couldn't download your "new" AH movie from there. When it did work it got 4.75K/sec... ON A DUAL T1 LINE!!!
EDIT: Nope, that didn't do it... "Realplayer can not play this type of file"
-SW
[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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Originally posted by SpitLead:
Stupid is as stupid does :D
Yeah.. PERK THE LA7!!! ... retard.
(http://www.mpz.co.uk/cwm/otn/mfinger/thefinger_red.gif)
-SW
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sheesh hblair, MY attack % vs objects is 1.7091! Mine's bigger than both you and SW! :p While we're at it... Your bomber % is a little low, just barely over 1??? :confused: come on, you gotta do better than that! And what's up with your damage per sortie on both bomber and attack vs objects??? I've got 5 figures in both, you've just got 4!! :eek:
hehe, if anyone thinks this makes me a better pilot than hblair or SW, I want what you are smoking/snorting/shooting, cuz it's some gooooood chit! :D
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SWulfe, I just wanna thank you for making my point. Kudos for doing it so fast!! :D
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Post a problem my ass.. this thing is well known. Reiterating it does not expedite the fact it still hasn't been fixed.
-SW
[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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Hblair, Zigrat,
You might just want to think about changing your mission planning slightly and no matter what the prime attack plane is (FW190, P-47, etc.) just have 1 cannon airplane dedicated to taking out the VH ack. Just call him your "sniper" wingie :)
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Christ...miss the thorazine today?
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Nifty, SWulfe:
My hit attack hit percentage is 2.0. Guess you two can just eat my dust :D
...and that's with more sorties than the BOTH of you combined. He he he
[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: SpitLead ]
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It's now how MUCH you hit.. it's how CONSISTENTLY you hit!!!
Err yeah.. are we still talking about attack hit %???
-SW
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Thanks for the advice Deja, with some practice, I'm sure I can get my 1.47 Attack hit percentage down to your .80
LOL! You newbie.
I guess the difference is that one plans and bring the bare minimum (and refuses to live with the concequences).. the other has some left over and jetesons it to fill other roles. One adapts.. the other doesn't ;)
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by SpitLead:
Nifty, SWulfe:
My hit attack hit percentage is 2.0. Guess you two can just eat my dust :D
...and that's with more sorties than the BOTH of you combined. He he he
[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: SpitLead ]
hey!! where'd I say Spitlead earlier?? ;)
Actually, the reason we're getting %'s over 1.00 is because we're using salvos. Maybe you salvo 4 rockets intead of 2?? :confused:
Anyways, you hit more accurately, but I cause more damage per sortie! :p
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touche Nifty :)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
the other has some left over and jetesons it to fill other roles. One adapts.. the other doesn't ;)
AKDejaVu
Ahh, You mean your mission wasn't planned correctly. You were carrying un-needed eggs. Tisk Tisk, I'm gonna turn you in to the ordinance dept.
:D
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Move along folks, move along... nothin to see here; fights over, gwan home... move along; move along..
*whew*
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Actually hblair.. one thing I am prone to do is to fly attack and take up ord to defend a base from GVs. Unfortunately, they ordinance isn't always needed in that scenario.. so I jettison it.
I'll also jettison it before wasting it on targets at a base that have not strategic value once its hangars and acks are down. I won't kill fuel dumps, barracks or any other structure that may be needed at a later date. Sometimes we do kill the ammo bunkers if we don't have enough ord for the BH.
So there:P
AKDejaVu