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France: Friend or foe?
Calm returns, but some say it is just a lull
By Michael Moran
Senior correspondent
MSNBC
As his best CIA source gushed about the American victory, the producer says he noticed a news bulletin on the television behind him: the Eiffel Tower, that great symbol of French grandeur and artistic prowess, had caught fire.
“So I asked him, ‘Hey, do you guys know the Eiffel Tower’s on fire’?” the producer said.
“He was silent for a moment, then he said: “Could this day get any better?”
A joke, or not?
The fire turned out to be minor and not related to terrorism, and the producer involved feels to this day the CIA man had been joking. Joke or not, it speaks volumes about the chasm that has opened between the U.S. and its oldest European ally – a nation whose intervention on the side of the American colonists saved them from defeat in the American Revolution, and whose intelligence networks in the Middle East continue to play a vital role to this day in the Bush administration’s “war on terror.”
Nearly a year has passed since France and America faced-off in the U.N. Security Council. Paris spoke for nations who felt American evidence of Saddam’s WMD programs was insufficient sufficient to justify war. Washington insisted Saddam posed “a grave threat to peace,” in President Bush’s words.
In the end, the impasse caused the U.S. to abandon efforts to win U.N. blessing for the war, bring France and America to such a low ebb that Thomas Friedman, the Pulitzer Prize winning columnist of The New York Times, could write this with a straight face: “It’s time we Americans came to terms with something: France is not just our annoying ally. It is not just our jealous rival. France is becoming our enemy.”
Here's the link for the full article:
Terms of Estrangement (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4099098/)
ROFL
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
France is becoming our enemy
ROFL
IN, just for the hell of it !
Good thing we got enough warheads to turn any country into a barren wasteland,don't cha think ?
guys, make up your mind : if we are insignificant, leave us alone.
if we are your enemies, bring it on : we'll lose, but most of you will see their balls fall off from the fallout....
If neither of these ideas look interesting, then it's just a struggle for money and power that opposes us, and that is capitalism : stop whining, and play the game...
We all want our gas 10% cheaper, we have the guts to admit it, you hide behind your bible thumpers...
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This question isn't meant to aggravate this conversation, although it probably won't do much to calm it, but what, exactly, is France's nuclear capability?
I was under the impression that the French arsenal is primarily bomber-based, with a very small percentage carried by medium-range SLBMs.
Again, I'm just interested in the facts(since the subject was brought up) and not a pissing contest.
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Cut and paste - ala Rip !
"France is undertaking a modernization of its sea-based deterrent force, with the first of a new SSBN class, the Le Triomphant, along with a new SLBM, the M-45.
The controversial nuclear testing at Mururoa Atoll in 1995-96 was reportedly done to perfect warhead design.
The French are even pressing forward with an advanced SLBM design, the M-51, complete with a stealthy, manuevering warhead called the TN-76.
The means of air delivery will remain potent, though the last French nuclear gravity bombs have been retired.
The Mirage 2000N and carrier-based Super Etendard fighter-bombers are available to deliver short-range nuclear ASMP missiles.
A follow-on to the current ASMP missile, dubbed the ASMP+ is under development and is slated to enter service in 2007. The new French nuclear role aircraft, the Rafale D, should be ready then as well."
To my knowledge :
France has about 500 warheads (100/150kt yield), mainly sub-launched.
silo based missiles have been scrapped years ago , and the "hades" tactical missiles, deemed obsolete, have been dismantled too.
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so france dosent have sheite that copuld hit the us,,,I can guarentte the frenchies could not get a nuclear missle to the USA with out being squashed first...there submarines..ya we know where there at..planes?? please they dont have stealth....ICBM..nope..dotn got them...
Looks like we wont be "losing our Balls"...lolol
thats good..
btw i think freance suxcs ..they sold illegal weopons to Saddma.the are willing to make profits over our blood.......I Do not support frech products...Not until the citizens demand accounatablity of there govs and wepaons sellers..."like when we sold chem/bio to Iraq in 85"..god that was dum
lets just quote a Marine in Kuwait..."Ya..The French..they are always there when they need us"
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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France didn't fall in line yet? They're supposed to do everything we say because, well, that's what friends and allies do!
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Doesn't anyone remember how Superman, who everyone knows is really an American, saved Paris from a thermonuclear bomb in Superman II?
I say they owe us bigtime for that one.
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France: Friend or foe?
foe
I can't be wrong I learned it on the O'club of a flightsim nerd BBS.
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Originally posted by straffo
foe
I can't be wrong I learned it on the O'club of a flightsim nerd BBS.
Actually, you learned it from a quoted MSNBC article.
When one of YOUR superheros flys over here and takes out some terrorists, then we'll be even.
Take that:p
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Sorry but the only french super hero I know is a carricature of the US super heros :D
(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/goulwoulah/modskubavus/imgsnd/superdupont.jpg)
(http://benoit.delestrade.free.fr/img/WW2OL/screens/superdupont.jpg)
(http://philippe.tromeur.free.fr/images/superdupont.jpg)
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Superman was co-invented by a Canadian, "Joe Schuster".
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DETH TO THE GREAT SATAN FRANCE!!!
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they have about 500 that could hit us. i have said it befor and i will say it again. what sells for patriotism in america now is fascism.
its Golly-geeed sad, i love the french i have met and wont go for this political hate of the day crap.
we got enough real enemys thanks to shrub anyway.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
they have about 500 that could hit us.
Btw, no French nukes are aimed at Conus, and if there is a contingency plan to do so, I'd like to see it for laughs !
I did not mean to turn this into a pissing contest, (well I was kinda trolling for trailer trash types like BGBMAW who have seen too many B-movies and are Faux News addicts )
I just wanted to remind some of you that France is a major nuclear power in the world and, according to General de Gaulle's doctrine, still enforced, has the abilty to inflict the same amount of damage it can sustain, Ie attack us and you get 60 million dead.
and BTW : we have gorgeous women, they shave and smell very good,so keep believing the 1950's clichés, while we're getting top ***** under our nukular umbrella !! neener neener !
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LOL Spooky, show em a picture of your shirt, I think you'll scare BigBaldingMaw even more than he is now :D
(hint: Spooky...big dude)
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Originally posted by Saintaw
LOL Spooky, show em a picture of your shirt, I think you'll scare BigBaldingMaw even more than he is now :D
(hint: Spooky...big dude)
I'm not big, I'm big boned dammit ! ------@Cartman, inc
lost that pic, too bad : that shirt was so awful, it was considered a WMD, had to ship it to Syria...
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Just for your information, almost any country that has nuclear weapon can make life impossible on the Earth just by blowing all its bombs on the own territory. Who need rockets?
Logic which can be used for a conventional weapon hardly apply to the nuclear one. Humanity is still resembles a man who is smoking sitting on a powder barrel. Now the threat is less than it was during the cold war, but who knows what it will be in 10 years?
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Originally posted by Fariz
Just for your information, almost any country that has nuclear weapon can make life impossible on the Earth just by blowing all its bombs on the own territory. Who need rockets?
That's just not true, Fariz. Modern Nukes, as powerful as they may be(and the French don't yield any outside of the 300 KT range), put out far less radiation than they did during the 40s and 50s. Nuclear testing in Bikini alone, to say nothing of the 20-50 KT monsters the Soviets tested in Siberia, amounted to dozens of times the total yield the French have at their disposal. Is the world uninhabitable today? The fact is, radiation from thermonuclear explosions dissipates very quickly. Even Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which were victims of very inefficient weapons, were down to very livable levels of radiation within the weeks. Melting down a nuclear reactor would acomplish the goal of poisoning the atmosphere much quicker, as was proved at Chernobyl.
As far as the French using SLBMs, it's possible, but not probable that they'd do it with much success. They have 5 missile boats, the missiles themselves possessing a range of 4-5 thousand Kilometers. In a wartime situation, those 5 boats would be inundated by dozens of faster, quieter attack subs before they ever got into position. Super Dupont would have a better chance against the US navy.
Rediculous scenarios aside, any nuclear exchange would signal a time of dangerous desperation from which humanity would have a poor chance of surviving--not necessarily from the immediate death and destruction, but from the world-wide depression that would come afterwards.
Superman knew this, and acted on it in 4.
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I don't think he was suggesting that the world would be at danger of being overwhelmed with radiation, I believe the danger is nuclear winter which is created by topsoil being deposited into the upper atmosphere and reflecting sunlight.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Actually Capt. Pork it is the low yield fission weapons that are the most "dirty", a fusion bomb is in fact a clean weapon except for the small fission trigger bomb needed to start the fusion process. France's nuclear arsenal is very dirty.
How very unelightened of them... :)
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not really strange GRUN :)
when you are small you have to bite harder.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Actually Capt. Pork it is the low yield fission weapons that are the most "dirty", a fusion bomb is in fact a clean weapon except for the small fission trigger bomb needed to start the fusion process. France's nuclear arsenal is very dirty.
I'm aware of all this Scholz. I suppose mentioning thermonuclear testing was off the subject. What my point should have been was that even given their fission arsenal, the amount of releasable radiation has already been aired into our atmosphere many times over. Testing during the hieght of the cold war(during which time hundreds of smaller fission bombs were detonated everywhere from upper atmosphere to surface to under ground and under water), as well as the Chernobyl meltdown(which has rendered the entire area surrounding the city uninhabitable for centuries--something nukes cannot do), has already accounted for substantial radioactive pollution. Yet we are still alive and the the average life expectancy of most 1st world countries continues to go up.
The nuclear winter problem, however frightening, would most likely not effect the entire hemisphere. All of Europe and Scandinavia definitely, but North American would probably be spared direct effects.
Anyway, I seriously doubt that the French, or anyone, would resort to bombing themselves merely because they lack sufficient delivery systems to hit us directly. Like I said, nuclear weapons, as a concept, represent a frightening desperation. There is no way they can be used in anger and not effect the entire world, radiation or not.
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
so france dosent have sheite that copuld hit the us,,,I can guarentte the frenchies could not get a nuclear missle to the USA with out being squashed first...there submarines..ya we know where there at..planes?? please they dont have stealth....ICBM..nope..dotn got them...
Looks like we wont be "losing our Balls"...lolol
thats good..
btw i think freance suxcs ..they sold illegal weopons to Saddma.the are willing to make profits over our blood.......I Do not support frech products...Not until the citizens demand accounatablity of there govs and wepaons sellers..."like when we sold chem/bio to Iraq in 85"..god that was dum
lets just quote a Marine in Kuwait...
Love
BiGB
xoxo
It always amazes me that life-forms with only one brain cell are able to open an BBS account.
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france......There always there when they need us......
FOUND IN IRAQ...FRENcH MADE ROLAND 2 MISSLES...........
they brought down atleast 1 a-10
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/iraq-weapons-violations.html
never seen this web site before..i jusyt did a search with this as the criteria....."cheese eat'n surrender monkies illegal weapons in iraq"
or somthn close to that..lololo
now before your panties get all bunched up..i understand not all of france has access to sell wepons...AND..they said France has a large blackmarket ...so...blah...
btw...Fr4ance has VERY LARGE finacial debts in Iraq..NOT TO MENTION your boy Jak Chiracass was Sodoms Homboy....not only hooked them up with nuclear "energy" equipment..Thank god Isreal Squashed that...
BUT the impotent UN and French banks held the money for Iraq'"oil for food program" whicjh made them BILLIONS in interest alone...
so ya france you get what u deserve now and later...
and i still believ our Navy would crush the french subs...
ooohh are we really the only country that has succesfully MULtiple times intercepted incoming missles?
and go stab your self if u cry about my typing..im onehanded
keep on coming with the name calling to...lolol you so cool they should call u culo's
next................
love
BiGB
xoxo
"France ...there always there when they need us"....lmfao...thats funny
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not worth a post
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
FOUND IN IRAQ...FRENcH MADE ROLAND 2 MISSLES...........
Another fox news lie, I'll make the rebuttal short, I know the average Fox news viewer attention span is short...
Poland: French missile report incorrect
By BEATA PASEK
Associated Press Writer
October 4, 2003, 3:08 PM EDT
WARSAW, Poland -- After a protest from French President Jacques Chirac, Poland said Saturday it had been mistaken in reporting that its troops found new French-made anti-aircraft misiles in central Iraq.
Chirac swiftly denied selling Iraq weapons in violation of the U.N. weapons embargo imposed against Saddam Hussein's regime in 1990. The claims, he said, "are as false today as they were yesterday."
An aide to the Polish prime minister said an initial report that the Roland missiles found by Polish troops days ago were produced in 2003 was incorrect. France said it stopped producing any type of Roland missile in 1993.
Prime Minister Leszek Miller met with Chirac twice to explain the mistake, said the aide, Tadeusz Iwinski. The two leaders were in Rome on Saturday for a European Union summit.
"There can be no 2003 missiles since these missiles have not been made for 15 years," Chirac told reporters in Rome. "Polish soldiers confused things. I told ... Miller so frankly -- friendly but firmly."
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and, had Iraq been equiped with recent French anti-aircraft missiles, more than one Coalition warplane would have been destroyed.
FYI, any weapon purchase ever made by Iraq over the years has been payed with US dollars (who do you think financed Saddam when you guys thought he was the best defence against Iranian islamists ?), and US approval, covert or not.
so, again :
:p
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Regarding nuclear winter, Carl Sagan wrote that it is 1. A worldwide situation, it can't be limited to a certain area, and 2. can be triggered by the detonation of as few as 100 nuclear explosions in close succession.
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Originally posted by Spooky
Another fox news lie, I'll make the rebuttal short, I know the average Fox news viewer attention span is short...
Poland: French missile report incorrect
By BEATA PASEK
Associated Press Writer
October 4, 2003, 3:08 PM EDT
WARSAW, Poland -- After a protest from French President Jacques Chirac, Poland said Saturday it had been mistaken in reporting that its troops found new French-made anti-aircraft misiles in central Iraq.
Chirac swiftly denied selling Iraq weapons in violation of the U.N. weapons embargo imposed against Saddam Hussein's regime in 1990. The claims, he said, "are as false today as they were yesterday."
An aide to the Polish prime minister said an initial report that the Roland missiles found by Polish troops days ago were produced in 2003 was incorrect. France said it stopped producing any type of Roland missile in 1993.
Prime Minister Leszek Miller met with Chirac twice to explain the mistake, said the aide, Tadeusz Iwinski. The two leaders were in Rome on Saturday for a European Union summit.
"There can be no 2003 missiles since these missiles have not been made for 15 years," Chirac told reporters in Rome. "Polish soldiers confused things. I told ... Miller so frankly -- friendly but firmly."
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and, had Iraq been equiped with recent French anti-aircraft missiles, more than one Coalition warplane would have been destroyed.
FYI, any weapon purchase ever made by Iraq over the years has been payed with US dollars (who do you think financed Saddam when you guys thought he was the best defence against Iranian islamists ?), and US approval, covert or not.
so, again :
:p
I believe we call this le pwnage in French.
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"Who is not with us is against us" - a slogan of russian communists that US seems to be adopting.
France refused to go along with some lying US government scheme and now americans are speculating how hard can the french nuke us?
miko
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What's the big deal about a war with France? Would they not surrender soon after a few fireworks?
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lmfaoooooooo
So cheese eatn surrender monkies say.....if it wasnt made in 2003 ..its not illegal????
Im thinkn these weapons makers have plenty o Back stock to sell..
So FRENCH companies MADE illegal sales to Iraq....
and lmfao..it was payed by US currency...LMFAO thats becuase we are#1..........kind of like the INTERnl. launguage of Airways...ENGLISH
so as oneof my favvorite punk bands SPEAK ENGLISH OR DIE
yes we sold Iraq Chem weapons in85....you think that was afresh bacth made uyp?? god thatw as stupid...
and spook..are you the Avergae CNN viewer...buhaAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Love
BiGB
"France..there always there when they need us"
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You pretend writing in English ?
my god :rofl :rofl each time I read one of your post I'm no more ashamed of my English.
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All kidding aside....here is an interesting story from Texas.
The End of a 300-Year Journey
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By Scott Gold Times Staff Writer
MATAGORDA, Texas — His water supply was exhausted, his last bits of food ceded to rats and roaches. Once the sailor's ship ran aground on a mud flat and the weather turned sour, he must have known the end was near, that his dream of a better life in the New World, a life of adventure and riches, was over.
Fighting arthritis that left him with a jerky limp, he crawled into a damp cargo hold, climbed atop a pile of thick anchor rope and, it appears, waited to die. Today, more than 300 years later, he will finally have some peace.
Officials are planning to bury the remains of the 17th century French sailor at the Texas State Cemetery in Austin, an austere place reserved for people who left a lasting impression on Texas — governors and generals and such. Historians believe it is the proper resting place for this lowly deckhand.
Archeologists discovered the sunken wreck of La Belle, a ship commanded by the famed and tortured French explorer Rene-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de La Salle, in 1995.
The ship, which sank in 1686 in Matagorda Bay, north of Corpus Christi, became a significant marine archeological find, largely because the bay's fine silt appears to have entombed La Belle almost immediately after it went down. The silt created a coffin of sorts for the wreck, keeping oxygen out and decay to a minimum, preserving even the items that are typically the first to go, from hemp rope to the oaken hull.
The excavation yielded more than one million artifacts, from bronze cannons artfully inscribed with the crest of King Louis XIV to a brass colander whose holes formed the shape of a delicate flower.
"What we had found here was basically a kit for building a colony in the New World. It's the only place that these objects have all been found together," said Jim Bruseth, a key player in the excavation of La Belle.
The shipwreck yielded only one body, however, and that alone has been enough to give the sailor almost mythological status in these parts.
His identity unknown, the sailor was given the crude but endearing nickname Dead Bob. His remains, largely skeletal and well-preserved, have been studied exhaustively by historians and archeologists — poked and prodded and scraped for DNA. He appears to have had a hard life. Among his meager possessions were a pewter drinking cup and shoes that were little more than patches of leather.
Still, the sailor has come to embody the history of what was then called the New World, and the spirit of adventure that drove its exploration in the face of great danger.
"He will have a very honorable burial," said Bruseth, director of the archeology division of the Texas Historical Commission in Austin. "This is the completion of one individual's incredible life."
The bones will be sealed in a steel container and placed in a vault. The service will be conducted by Father Albert Laforet, associate pastor of St. Mary's Cathedral in Austin, and will be attended by, among others, Jean-David Levitte, the French ambassador to the United States. A plaque affixed to the vault will simply describe the sailor as "a member of an ill-fated French expedition."
Levitte said the ceremony, which will be conducted in French and English, will serve as a reminder of the long and storied relationship between France and the south-central United States.
"His was a very sad story," Levitte said of the sailor. "But it represents the beginning of a long, beautiful and fruitful friendship. It is important to stop and remember."
La Salle, before he took La Belle across the Atlantic Ocean, had already claimed for France portions of what would become North America. With his country enmeshed in a tense standoff with Spain over colonization of the continent — including the valuable silver mines of what is now Mexico — La Salle persuaded Louis XIV to let him explore and settle the mouth of the Mississippi River.
The trip was a disaster from the start.
According to accounts of survivors who made it back to France, as well as government records and recovered journals, La Salle left with four ships and 300 colonists. Not long after shoving off from La Rochelle, France, in 1684, one ship was captured by pirates. Another sank and has never been found.
La Salle was accused of, among other things, withholding treatment from crew members he thought were feigning illness, though smallpox and other diseases were spreading quickly. Some historians, after reading accounts of his behavior, believe that psychologists would diagnose him with a bipolar condition if he were alive today. At the very least, said Sarah Higgins, director of the Matagorda County Museum, "he was a disagreeable sort."
Fearing a mutiny among crew members and colonists who were growing wary of his demanding and, some historians believe, abusive practices, La Salle ordered everyone who disapproved of his command to return to France on the expedition's warship, the Joly. About 150 people — half of La Salle's contingent — chose to go home.
La Salle and his remaining crew members and colonists built an encampment, Ft. Saint Louis, near what is now Victoria, Texas.
The decision to send the Joly back to France left only La Belle. It was a relatively small boat — just 54 feet long — and it was not a warship. It had only been brought along because it was small enough to navigate the nooks and crannies of the Gulf of Mexico coast.
Even with one boat, La Salle might have been able to salvage his expedition, if it weren't for the fact that, as Levitte put it, "he missed."
At the time, navigators had mastered the study of latitude, but not longitude. La Salle reached land, where his maps said the Mississippi River spilled into the Gulf of Mexico, but he was more than 400 miles west of the mouth of the river.
Realizing his navigational mistake — and aware that he had little defense against increasingly hostile Native Americans, who had not taken kindly to the sudden incursion — he set off on foot and canoe with a small band of men to find the Mississippi River.
La Belle still carried the bulk of the goods that La Salle hoped to use to set up a vast French colony, and he left it anchored in Matagorda Bay with a small crew.
"He said he'd be back in a couple of weeks," Lane Hollister, a historian and volunteer at the wreck site, said at the Matagorda County Museum last week. The museum, 20 miles north of Matagorda Bay in Bay City, is one of seven in Texas featuring exhibits connected to the discovery of La Belle.
"But he was notorious for saying things like that," Hollister said. "It usually meant a couple of months."
The crew aboard La Belle would never see their leader again. Still on foot, still trying to regroup, La Salle was soon murdered by his own men, probably near what is now the Texas town of Navasota. The dozen or so sailors on board the ship had no way of communicating with those on land, and remained in the bay awaiting his return.
Within weeks, however, they began to grow desperate. Studies of the wreck suggest that rats, lice and roaches were rampant. According to survivors' accounts, the captain La Salle had left in charge was surviving on a steady diet of wine and brandy. The crew soon ran out of drinking water and began to panic.
Using La Belle's last ship-to-shore boat, a group of sailors made a brief foray to land in search of water. They were killed by Native Americans. Defying La Salle's orders, the remaining crew members hoisted the anchor in an attempt to reach the fort on the other side of the bay. They lost control of the ship, sending it careening across the bay before it ran aground.
"When things start going south, they go south," Hollister said.
A group of sailors built a raft to reach a nearby barrier island, but it sank and several of them drowned. Survivors put together a sturdier raft and managed to ferry enough supplies to the island — a thin strip of sand and shrubs now known as Matagorda Peninsula — to establish a small camp.
Dead Bob, however, was still on board the grounded ship.
Archeologists who have scrutinized his remains believe he was between 35 and 45 years old and of sturdy build, but his bones suggest he suffered from severe arthritis. Studies show he had been the recipient of a stiff uppercut — from a right-handed assailant — that broke his nose. His teeth, those still in his mouth, were riddled with abscesses that had begun to eat through his jawbone.
He may have been the last person alive on the ship, and he was almost certainly starving and dying of thirst, they believe.
To the north, freshwater rivers and creeks spilled into the gulf, but he could not retrieve water because he knew he would be killed by Native Americans if he went ashore. To the south, some of his comrades were relatively comfortable at their camp on the peninsula, a mere 200 yards away. But historians believe that the sailor, like most in his day, could not swim.
He was, evidently, trapped.
At some point, he crawled into the cargo hold in the bow of the ship. He took off his shoes. Toward the end, his fingers appear to have uncurled, and he dropped a pewter drinking cup, which was found near his body. The cup was inscribed with the letters "C. Barange," which might have been his name.
"Things were not going well," Bruseth said. "He knew he was looking at the last moments of his existence."
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Soon, a series of cold fronts — "blue northers," in Texas vernacular — raked the bay. The storms sank the ship in about 12 feet of water, driving its bow into the silt.
Historians had been excavating at the wreck site for several months when, on Halloween 1996, they found the sailor's remains. The discovery changed everything.
"This was already an incredible archeological project," said Bruseth, whose book, "From a Watery Grave: The Discovery and Excavation of La Salle's Shipwreck La Belle," will be published next summer by Texas A&M University Press.
"But with the human remains, we had an electric connection to these people," he said. "You couldn't help but think about him — what his life was like, who he was."
Craig Hlavinka, a harbor master from Matagorda and one of scores of area residents who volunteered at the wreck for weeks, was standing on a catwalk above the excavation site shortly after the body was discovered.
"It was kind of somber," Hlavinka said. "It felt very scientific until then. All of a sudden there is a human face on it. It was a shame he couldn't talk."
Standing with Hlavinka, looking down at the body, a friend asked what they should call him.
"I said, 'How about Dead Bob?' " Hlavinka said.
The name has caused some consternation, particularly among professional historians and archeologists leading the excavation, who felt it was disrespectful. The volunteers assured them it was affectionate, and the name stuck.
"We compromised a little," Hollister said. "Some of us tried calling him Mort Robert." That's French, loosely, for Dead Bob.
Scientists used lasers and CT scans to paint a computer-generated face on the structure of his skull, revealing a strong-jawed man with bushy eyebrows and dark eyes. Another group tried to link him with ancestors in France by extracting DNA from his remains. All they could find was DNA of the marine creatures who ate away at his body after he died.
The body then became a focal point of a dispute over who owns the remains and the artifacts lifted from the wreck. A treaty enacted last year assured France that it is the proper owner of the artifacts and the remains, but entrusted their care to Texas.
Many who have worked on the project believe that for Dead Bob, it is time for a long and peaceful rest.
"I feel like I know him, in some way," Bruseth said. "I feel like we have had an opportunity to get inside his head and understand his difficulties. I don't think anybody would choose to be in the situation that he found himself in. But this is who he was. He represents a time of exploration, a time of dreams."
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carl sagan also said that if the sadman lit all the kuwait oil fields on fire we would have a nuclear winter. needless to say.... he was....... friggin talkin out his butt!
lazs
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Nice post Rogwar.
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Shyaddup Straffo, or I'll kick your ass, shoot you with my l33t 5n1p3r skillz, and eat all of your babies next time I'm in Freedom!
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Originally posted by Spooky
We all want our gas 10% cheaper, ...
Only 10% ?
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Skuzzy help me !
Mayday Mayday I feel threatened !
Slimm we almost pay 4$ the gallon so 10% would be actually a good rebate :p
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
and lmfao..it was payed by US currency...LMFAO thats becuase we are#1..........kind of like the INTERnl. launguage of Airways...ENGLISH
Gawd, I 'll go slow for you :
when I said US dollars, I don't mean the currency(doh!), I mean money given to Iraq as an aid by the US...
I feel I'm talking to Lassie ... :(
Straff was right, no use arguing with some people...
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Originally posted by slimm50
Only 10% ?
see how reasonable we are ? and you call us greedy *****s ?? ;)
Tango romeo oscar lima lima ...
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
lmfaoooooooo
So cheese eatn surrender monkies say.....if it wasnt made in 2003 ..its not illegal????
Im thinkn these weapons makers have plenty o Back stock to sell..
So FRENCH companies MADE illegal sales to Iraq....
and lmfao..it was payed by US currency...LMFAO thats becuase we are#1..........kind of like the INTERnl. launguage of Airways...ENGLISH
so as oneof my favvorite punk bands SPEAK ENGLISH OR DIE
yes we sold Iraq Chem weapons in85....you think that was afresh bacth made uyp?? god thatw as stupid...
and spook..are you the Avergae CNN viewer...buhaAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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BiGB
"France..there always there when they need us"
:rofl :aok
Talk about the fat bellybutton ignorant yank :rolleyes:
These missiles were sold legally by the 80's for Iraq's war against Iran, just like when you were selling toxic products to Saddam :lol
It's so easy to own tard like you, that I feel a bit guilty to do it :rofl
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Originally posted by GScholz
Lol BGBMAW, how old are you? Yeah sure you know where all the French subs are, and I'm sure you realize that their missiles can be fired from practically anywhere since they've got intercontinental range. You think "ground zero" looked bad in '01? Just wait till the French fry the Big Apple. And what weapons did France sell illegally to Iraq? None. You are a child or a grown up idiot.
Now you calling someone else an idiot is priceless.
As to tracking French subs...it's a little thing we do to amuse ourselves.
I bet you'de like to see that big apple scenario huh?
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"France..there always there when they need us"
hehe..its alright..Muslism are taking over france...haha
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
hehe..its alright..Muslism are taking over france...haha
The French could teach the muslims a thing or two about anti-semitism.
As for their subs hitting NY--I just don't see a boomer from any hostile country getting to within 2800 miles of NY(which is the maximum range of their SLBMs, Gscholz, and thus, not the optimum launch range). Unless it's a suprise first strike, they'll likely see the ocean's bottom before they see a missile take flight. Given the numerical and technical superiority of US attack subs, tracking them, while challenging, shouldn't be impossible.
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What's all that crap about hitting NY?
Hey, french dudes, we just love everything french here. Why don't you hit DC or something...
Just leave La Grosse Pomme alone.
miko
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Hey! I live in the DC Metro Area, don't vaporize it.
They'd also be vaporizing more fanatic sleeper cells than they could count, so it would hurt the cause.
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Well no need to bomb NY or DC what about bombing the MAW HeadQuarter instead ?
sound to be a good idea :rolleyes:
Originally posted by BGBMAW
lets just quote a Marine in Kuwait...
"Ya..The French..they are always there when they need us"
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BiGB
xoxo
Btw my dear cretin how comes a marine can say that when the french troop where under command of the XVIII-th Airborne Corps ?
OOB :
http://www.tim-thompson.com/gwob18corps.html
plus I add a nice picture here
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/cpgw_2942.gif
Where are the marines ?
Where are the French troops ? hint : they have a nice tricolor flag