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Title: Glide slope is a tad steep...
Post by: Ripsnort on February 03, 2004, 12:19:10 PM
Here's an MD-80 that rips its tail off (http://home.comcast.net/~ripsnort60/MD_80_hard_landing_1.mpeg) on a steep approach:
Title: Glide slope is a tad steep...
Post by: Wanker on February 03, 2004, 12:24:05 PM
Holy ****! Were there passengers onboard?
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Post by: Ripsnort on February 03, 2004, 12:28:42 PM
I have no story on it, sent by an Engineer, which was sent by another engineer, which was sent...well, you get the picture.
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Post by: gofaster on February 03, 2004, 01:34:52 PM
I didn't see any airline mentioned on the fuselage nor tail, and its suspicious that a camera would be filming a common airliner descent, so I'm guessing it was a R/C structural test of some sort.
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Post by: Ripsnort on February 03, 2004, 01:45:26 PM
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Originally posted by gofaster
I didn't see any airline mentioned on the fuselage nor tail, and its suspicious that a camera would be filming a common airliner descent, so I'm guessing it was a R/C structural test of some sort.


Thats my guess to.
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Post by: FUNKED1 on February 03, 2004, 02:30:58 PM
This has happened to DC-9 and variants many times.  Hard landing causes fuselage failure.  If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
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Post by: capt. apathy on February 03, 2004, 03:58:33 PM
the cabin seems to be holding-up amazingly well, concidering.
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Post by: FUNKED1 on February 03, 2004, 04:10:01 PM
Yeah most of the accidents of this type have zero fatalities.  As long as the landing gear stays attached and the plane stays on the runway, good times.
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Post by: Dinger on February 03, 2004, 04:11:19 PM
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1972/720518-1.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1980/800113-0.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1981/810727-0.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1983/830311-1.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1984/840611-0.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1987/870223-0.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1987/871227-1.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1992/920118-0.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1992/920326-1.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1992/920330-1.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1993/930621-2.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1997/971015-0.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1999/990128-0.htm

oh yeah, and top of the list of things not to do in a MD a/c:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1971/710916-0.htm
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Post by: Maniac on February 03, 2004, 04:11:30 PM
I wouldnt want to be in the rear toilet when that happened...
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Post by: Dinger on February 03, 2004, 04:32:10 PM
my guess is that's an unreported incident from a mainland chinese carrier, possibly one that's using MD-80s produced under license.
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Post by: Vulcan on February 03, 2004, 04:52:05 PM
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Originally posted by gofaster
I didn't see any airline mentioned on the fuselage nor tail, and its suspicious that a camera would be filming a common airliner descent, so I'm guessing it was a R/C structural test of some sort.


Doesn't look like the usual test area backgrounds, and the camera is pretty crappy and closer than what you normally see. Maybe there was an engine out, doesn't the MD-80 have 'smokey' engines?
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Post by: icemaw on February 03, 2004, 06:56:02 PM
Bad day in Baghdad
http://aviation-safety.net/pictures/displayphoto.php?id=20031122-0&vnr=4&kind=C
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Post by: Octavius on February 03, 2004, 07:00:31 PM
From Dinger's last link:
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This air ambulance C-9A, a military variant of the DC-9, was operated by the Military Airlift Command's 375 MAW. Reportedly the plane was barrel rolled, causing the fuselage to be overstressed. The plane was damaged beyond repair


It was flown by a MAW, what do you expect? :D
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Post by: icemaw on February 03, 2004, 07:04:01 PM
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Originally posted by Octavius
From Dinger's last link:


It was flown by a MAW, what do you expect? :D


 Hey he got it down ok. Just broke the plane a little.
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Post by: rogwar on February 03, 2004, 07:47:10 PM
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Originally posted by icemaw
Bad day in Baghdad
http://aviation-safety.net/pictures/displayphoto.php?id=20031122-0&vnr=4&kind=C



Man that was some good piloting. Work the problem....

The cockpit transcripts would be an interesting read.
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Post by: FUNKED1 on February 03, 2004, 09:17:37 PM
This one always puzzled me.  http://aviation-safety.net/database/1980/800819-1.htm
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Post by: Ozark on February 03, 2004, 09:36:09 PM
The video looks computer generated to me. (Hey, I could be wrong… wouldn’t be the first time)

Matter of fact, I’ve been working to create custom aviation accident photos and videos like this for the last 6 months. I use them for training scenarios for airport fire fighters.
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 03, 2004, 09:51:51 PM
Definitely a Kurt Tank design!
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Post by: Ozark on February 03, 2004, 09:59:42 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
This one always puzzled me.  http://aviation-safety.net/database/1980/800819-1.htm


Well, from what I understood from the classroom presentation back in 1986, some dweeb was cooking food in the back of the plane and started the fire. The flightdeck crew ignored/didn't want to take orders from the cabin crew or was impaired by the products of combustion.

Toxic smoke will quickly incapacitate or kill people in fire (not heat or flame). Burning plastics create some of the most toxic gases known to man. Add in all the products of combustion in an enclosed area with lots of people...
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Post by: Dinger on February 03, 2004, 10:27:50 PM
Well, if you get any time in the Mideast, you run into the notion that people like to brew up with their propane-burning stoves -- this is probably a pernicious holdover from the brits.  So my understanding was it was someone in the cabin brewing tea.
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Post by: Ozark on February 03, 2004, 10:36:55 PM
Dinger, I think your right. It was tea and not food.
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Post by: FUNKED1 on February 03, 2004, 11:09:48 PM
I just always wondering what they were doing for the 6 minutes between landing and shutting off the engines.  Between this and the Egypt Air kamikazes I think I will avoid middle eastern airlines.
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Post by: Dinger on February 03, 2004, 11:54:16 PM
Exactly. "Sort it out on the ground" doesn't mean "Sort it out when we get the jetway pulled up".
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Post by: Toad on February 04, 2004, 12:03:59 AM
The L-1011 was caused by someone brewing tea. We were briefed on it when I was flying 1011's.

It's a concept pretty foreign to an American.
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Post by: FUNKED1 on February 04, 2004, 01:18:50 AM
The CVR on that one is like some kind of CRM nightmare.
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Post by: Dowding on February 04, 2004, 07:24:02 AM
Tea is important...

... but not that important.