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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on February 03, 2004, 01:57:22 PM
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Have you seen this news?
:mad:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/03/abduction.filmed.ap/index.html
I just want to express myself here. If this beautiful young woman has her life destroyed by this person caught on film grabbing her and pulling her away, and this same person is apprehended and found guilty of killing her then I believe the guilty person should be destroyed as a human being without haste.
I ask any man or woman how they can conceive of mercy when justice is so demanding?
For believers, please "pray" for this young woman. The rest of you "think positive" for her safe return and the safety of all children brought into harms way by the sickness that manifests itself in the human heart.
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I agree Yeager...
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teach ur children well ...
fight scream, run from strangers. use code word so they know the person is know to you or her mother..
hopefully the the police can enhance the video to id the perp
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OMFG This is a mile from work and a mile from where I live, I heard the Amber alert last night but hadn't heard anything since..
This crap never happens in sarasota, only the old people driving thru the shopping center walls happens here..
IKON
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I saw the video on the morning news. It looks like he tells her something that confuses her, then he leads her by her arm. She doesn't appear to put up much resistance. I'm guessing that he probably said something like she was trespassing and should come along, or that there was a death in her family and he was sent to get her, or something like that.
She was kidnapped 25 minutes before the Super Bowl kick-off.
Officers were searching the area of the carwash when the owner offered to check the tape from the motion-activated camera behind his business, Sgt. Chuck Lesaltato said. It showed the first lead on Carlie's disappearance.
The video caught the man walking up to Carlie, talking to her for a few seconds, then grabbing her forearm and leading her away, he said.
A round of applause for concerned citizenry! The owner provided the first lead in the case.
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I for one would support a return to the death penalty in Canada.
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Time for us to round up a posse and hunt this dude down. AH bounty hunters.
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I'm betting he used the; "Your parents are in danger." or "If you don't come with me right now, I'll kill your family."
Its real sad and all too often comes to a tragic end for the child.
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I hope they find the bastard and end his life before he hurts another person. I had read somewhere that in kidnapping cases with no immediate ransom information that the life expectancy of the kidnap victim is 4-7 hours post abduction. She is most likely already dead since it appears that her family didn't have any contact with the person/people who took her. Some sick bastard needs to die over this if she is dead already.
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Wow, how can they suggest she planned to meet him there? Watch the vid again, she appears to try to walk around him and he steps infront of her.
What a piece of ****, I hope she's alright.
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Good news: A suspect was apprehended late this afternoon.
Bad news: No sign of the young girl. Her whereabouts are unkown.
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Originally posted by Ping
I for one would support a return to the death penalty in Canada.
Seconded........
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GOD Im soooo sick and tierd of kids not being able to grow up with out living in fear:mad:
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If they find sufficient proof, I seriously hope they beat the information on her whereabouts out of him. To avoid public censure, I suggest they use pillows. I hear they can break bones without leaving bruises.
Wow, I think I just advocated a practice pioneered by the KGB.
What a difficult time we live in.
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Capt Pork,
I agree, I think if they could torture this guy to find the girl alive it would be the way to go, but since he aint helping I think she is prolly dead.
These guys need death.
I wonder if he will be a repeat sex offender?
These guys do not need or deserve help. Just death, or at the very least life and I mean LIFe in jail.
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This whole story distresses the hell out of me. If that crappy security camera image of her is the last time anyone will see her alive, I honestly hope they do find some really creative, low-tech way to do him in.
Yes, it is important to protect the rights of the many, and to give people fair trials, but this has gone too far. There're several hundred lawyers at there, at this very moment, foaming at the mouth at the opportunity to defend this ****. To them it's not even the money so much as the free advertising. Maybe we should develope a law where in the event that a private-practicing attorney(IE, not public defender) loses such a case to overwhelming evidence, he or she could be subject to punishment for taking the case on in the first place. That would cut down on dream teams and in turn, free-walking OJs.
I've been planning on taking the LSATs this year. I still plan on it, but I'm seriously considering bringing an UZI to the test rather than a pencil.
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Yeah, our legal system seems to be going to hell in a hand basket.
He will get some highpriced lawyer who will hire a jury concsultant and the guy may even walk.
The cops should accidently let other guys in country know he raped and killed a little girl and leave him in the general area for a few hours. And ignore the screams.
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They need to bring back breaking on the wheel for that kind of scum.
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Originally posted by Ping
I for one would support a return to the death penalty in Canada.
I'm sure they would accept you across the border.....
sorry....no Judge, Jury, Politician, Cop has a right to play God....
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Originally posted by SLO
sorry....no Judge, Jury, Politician, Cop has a right to play God....
Just to pick up a liberal note... but what if God does not exists? We just accept murder as a fact of life?
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Originally posted by Yeager
Good news: A suspect was apprehended late this afternoon.
Bad news: No sign of the young girl. Her whereabouts are unkown.
The guy has a long history of drug arrests and prescriptio fraud. Supposedly he also has 3 kids of his own :eek: and has been in jail on unrelated charges since Tuesday.
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Originally posted by SLO
I'm sure they would accept you across the border.....
sorry....no Judge, Jury, Politician, Cop has a right to play God....
I dont know what it has to do with god. It has more to do with being a vet and putting sick dogs down.
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Originally posted by Pongo
I dont know what it has to do with god. It has more to do with being a vet and putting sick dogs down.
I'd say more like rabid dogs or bears that have attacked humans, but over all a very good analogy.
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Sarasota has been invaded by FBI agents and news reporters, this is bizarre...
I hope they find this little girl!!
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People like this are BS, they dont deserve to live in the first place, how anyone can say this POS doesnt deserve to die is beyond me, he kills some poor lil girl, who knows all the horrible things she would have went through before she died, and you say, No one has the right to play god? IMHO this bastage deserves the worst form of pain and suffering anyone could think up and long term! I hope they find her alive:( :mad:
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Originally posted by SLO
I'm sure they would accept you across the border.....
sorry....no Judge, Jury, Politician, Cop has a right to play God....
So using your logic, you are willing to let violent criminals play the part then.
Good plan.
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People like this are BS, they dont deserve to live in the first place, how anyone can say this POS doesnt deserve to die is beyond me, he kills some poor lil girl, who knows all the horrible things she would have went through before she died, and you say, No one has the right to play god? IMHO this bastage deserves the worst form of pain and suffering anyone could think up and long term! I hope they find her alive
So he's gone from being arrested, to being arrested for murder, to being arrested for murder preceded by all kinds of horrific things (which you have initimate information about, obviously), to being tortured to death over as long a period as possible since he's clearly guilty!
Very efficient justice system you'd like to live in. Not much margin for error though.
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How efficient is it to coddle and pamper serial sex offenders and murderers?
Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka are the perfect examples of Guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt and worthy of death.
If this guy is seen leading her away on video tape and then find her body and evidence his car was used in it, then let him reap the error of his ways.
O.......wait...... change of heart, let him go to a "Correctional facility to reflect on his crime, let him enjoy the ability to breathe and have a measure of quality of LIFE, something he denied the victim of.
If she is found alive and "only" been sexually abused, that is something that would still scar her for life. At what point do we say ENOUGH!
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Oh, I'm sorry - I hadn't realised he had already been given a trial and had been found guilty on the evidence presented. Carry on!
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Your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking.
If this guy is seen leading her away on video tape and then find her body and evidence his car was used in it, then let him reap the error of his ways.
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How efficient is it to coddle and pamper serial sex offenders and murderers?
This is what I was referring to.
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Then you have not answered my question then. For those convicted with irrefutable evidence how efficient is it to coddle them?
This case is still ongoing. What of those already decided?
Is your answer to give them the Resort Plan?
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Life imprisonment would be the ultimate penalty. I'd tend not to agree with those who would push for trial by fire, burning-at-the-stake or hung, draw and quarter. They have a habit of belonging to the same type of people as those who believe paedanutricians molest children. I don't know what kind of prisons you have in Canada, but the ones I've been in over here couldn't be described as a resort from what I could see.
I like to think that those administering justice should be a fair few levels above the barbarity of those to be judged.
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/06/missing.girl/index.html
Body Found believed to be that of missing girl. :(
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I just saw on a 'Breaking News' banner on CNN's website that her body would have been found.
So sad for her and her family, so infuriating for the non-human sicko who did it....
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Originally posted by mietla
Just to pick up a liberal note... but what if God does not exists? We just accept murder as a fact of life?
wrong use of words.....sorry
lets say you do find the killer...thats if he did kill
then you kill him because he killed someone else.....logic says your as bad as he is....:aok
kill the killer.....all your doing is trying to JUSTIFY your kill....like there's any justification in killing someone.
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Slo your logic isn't logical.
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a person kills another....also known as a murderer
right....
you kill that said muderer.....what does that make you...a fuggin saint:aok
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Originally posted by SLO
a person kills another....also known as a murderer
right....
you kill that said muderer.....what does that make you...a fuggin saint:aok
keep ur icon ...
when one takes a life in cold blood, say an eleven year old child, that person loses the right to have a life of his own
that "person" is not human but a rabid animal and needs to be treated as such and put down
(http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2004/02/03/image597688l.jpg)
R.I.P.
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Thank you Eagler, well put.
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Originally posted by SLO
a person kills another....also known as a murderer
right....
you kill that said muderer.....what does that make you...a fuggin saint:aok
Nobody's going for sainthood here. It's about removing a human tumor from society, if and when said human is confirmed as a tumor.
What would you have the State of Florida do? Put him in anger management for a few years, perhaps? Declare him the victim of childhood abuse and sentance him to family therapy?
Our legal system can't ensure a life sentance for him, or anybody. There will always be a chance that he'll be turned loose on society in thirty or so years after he is deemed 'no longer a threat'. He he does not deserve this glimmer of hope.
Yes, I suppose it is a bit medieval, but when people behave in this fashion, that is exactly the sort of treatment they should expect. Remember, it's only retribution if they do him in in a cruel and unusual way(which I personally vote for). Fact is, he'll probably get some sort of human send-off--something he didn't afford his victim.
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SLO: then you kill him because he killed someone else.....logic says your as bad as he is.
You say "logic" but there is no logical connection between killing and being "bad" or especially "as bad".
Being "bad" means doing evil. There is no automatic definition that killing someone is evil. Killing in defence is not evil. Killing animals for food is not evil if done humanely.
Killing is evil if it violates someone's right to live. If a person wants to die - being in unbearable pain, or a person forefeits his right to live, killing such is not evil, since there is no violation.
An agressor forfeits his right to protection - that is why it is not evil or illegal to kill an agressor who is trying to kill you or someone else. His act of forfeiting his right to life is a deliberate voluntary decision. (Which is why I am against comparing him to rabid animals. They do not control themselves and deserve our compassion.)
If we fail to kill him in time and he succeeds in murdering his victim, does that mean that he gets a free pass and the right to his life back? Not really. He is still an outlaw and evil and has to be destroyed because he has no right to live.
miko
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Funny. I know someone in this thread says he watches violent video's of people being killed and reads books on the topics.
He is against killing people like this sicko who kills defensless children.
Makes you wonder doesn't it?
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heartbroken. I wished I had faith right now. But I dont.
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Originally posted by Yeager
heartbroken. I wished I had faith right now. But I dont.
if you don't have faith at these times, you do not have faith anytime
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Sad news they found her body this morning.! :(
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Really sad. Especially considering he should still be locked up. Some people are too stupid to be jurors.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040206/ap_on_re_us/abduction_filmed&cid=519&ncid=716
--In the 1997 kidnapping case, a 20-year-old woman in Bradenton said a man grabbed her as she walked by and tried to pull her away, according to records released by the Manatee County Sheriff's Office.
"He got on top of me and told me to shut up or he would cut me," she told authorities. After a struggle, she said, she managed to run into the street, and passengers in an approaching van stopped and rescued her.
Smith, found hiding behind a house by a police tracking dog, was acquitted by jurors after telling them he was trying to keep the woman from running into the street and she misunderstood.--
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So he's gone from being arrested, to being arrested for murder, to being arrested for murder preceded by all kinds of horrific things (which you have initimate information about, obviously), to being tortured to death over as long a period as possible since he's clearly guilty!
Very efficient justice system you'd like to live in. Not much margin for error though.
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Im saying if he is found guilty, its pretty obvious when hes leading her away in the tape and shes found dead its him, but maybe, maybe he was just trying to stop her to from running out into the street eh? Yea then some other guy came out and killed her, i dunno how you people think, but life in american jails, he'll get a nice TV a hot shower everyday, food etc etc, if we're lucky someone else in jail will do us the kind favor of disposing of this POS.
Sure killing him might be murder, but in this case i wouldnt care.
That poor little girl was just starting her life, and some POS decides hes gonna take it. I have no words, this has seriously sadend me:(
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Ohio executed a murder on Tuesday for doing the same thing. It took 19 years, but the Florida murderer will get what is coming to him too.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040203/us_nm/execution_ohio_dc_1
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I cant emphasize enough how I feel about murderers generally and child murderers in particular.
Once guilt has been established "without doubt", the murderer should be hung by the neck until dead. There is no other way to approach this subject. I have had enough of this, dealing with human emotional issues and ultimate victim status of murderers. Guilty of this crime, without doubt, and you die immediately.
This totally ****ed up society that I live in would walk a far kinder and gentler road if each and every one of us knew that if we killed another human being for no good reason that we would face trial and if found guilty beyond any doubt be hung by the neck until dead.
But it will never happen, we need to protect the right of child murderers so that our own rights are not violated at some nepharious point in the future, meanwhile our daughters sisters mothers are being violated in such cruel and inhuman ways by the very people we insist on protecting.....its not worth it. Start killing these monsters off.
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Originally posted by SLO
then you kill him because he killed someone else.....logic says your as bad as he is....:aok
Not at all. Killing is not necesssarily bad, murder is. And that's what we have here. One is a senseless and arbitrary murder performed by a sicko, the other is a justice metted out according to the rules the sicko knew up front.
How can you compare the two?
It beyond me how you libs can compare abortion with death penalty and say that they are the same.
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Never mind. I replied on a spot before reading the rest of the post. I'm being redundant
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My God!!
this trully is the ugly side of human behaviour.
The freeking animal should be locked in a room with the little girls father and uncles and brother Hell all male members of her family.
Now that would be justice just let them tear him apart.
This type of crime has no purpose no reason no nothing but the lose of a beautiful little child who will never get a chance to grow up.:mad:
As a society what can we do to stop these animals?
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Originally posted by SLO
a person kills another....also known as a murderer
right....
you kill that said muderer.....what does that make you...a fuggin saint:aok
No but it will prevent said predator from killing another beautifull
inocent child.
We have no cure for these animals right now.
So in intrest of keeping the kids safe we musy hunt them down and in my opinion kill them before they kill a child.
But that will never happen so least we can do is KILL them after they have killed so they cant do it again.
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Originally posted by Habu
Funny. I know someone in this thread says he watches violent video's of people being killed and reads books on the topics.
He is against killing people like this sicko who kills defensless children.
Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Thanks Habu for bringing that up, I was thinking about that very thing when nutjob chimed in on this thread.
OK so rabid dogs have a right to life as well, why cant we rehabilitate them and let them back out? Hmmm doesnt work that way now does it.
Why do you leftists like to coddle the criminals and dont give a damabout the innocents.
Those sort are worse them rabid dogs as rabies is a sickness and the dog cant help himself while the human can which actually makes putting him to death more scence.
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Did they let this guy make a plead bargin? I heard something on the news but did not catch the whole thing.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Did they let this guy make a plead bargin? I heard something on the news but did not catch the whole thing.
Dam i hope not.
I can only hope he gets the BOOK thrown at him no plea bargins dammit .
That little girls pleas went un answerd by him :mad:
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Maybe I will stop wasting my energy hating this monster.
And spend it hoping for enternal peace for this child.
Or maybe I will do both.
Sorry fellas but this has really botherd me and I dont even have kids.
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Originally posted by Habu
Funny. I know someone in this thread says he watches violent video's of people being killed and reads books on the topics.
He is against killing people like this sicko who kills defensless children.
Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Habu....I would like too...but I won't bring myself down to your level of stupidity.
because 1 little girl made the news....you all forgot about the other little girls and boys that got killed....
not yesterday a little boy got hit by a drunk driver.....but it only made the news here....not important...didn't make the news over there.
every one has a different perception as to what is right or wrong.....sure, burn that fugger in the electric chair.....I still think it makes you no better then him:aok
and HABU....you still have a fixation about what I shared with ya'z.....yes habu.....your fixated....thats unhealthy.
next time you watch a movie that has a person killing another.... think back upon the words your trying to convey here....your own society blasts you everyday with that chit....cause some of us like to understand it....you get all high and mighty.
I say your level of understanding might just be above a squirrels.
as for the rest of you right wingers.....yes the one's that like to Burn and pick needles with deadly mixtures as a bonus.....
its not cause your against the death penalty that makes you actually a cheerleader for the muderers....It might actually be your against ANY Killing....woow something new for you bozo's to understand.
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SLO, you have lifted the level of debate on this BBS with your rapier like wit. With your virtually Churchillian rhetoric you should take up speech writing for parliment.
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Originally posted by SLO
every one has a different perception as to what is right or wrong.....sure, burn that fugger in the electric chair.....I still think it makes you no better then him:aok
Do you use :aok when you speak to people in person? It really does wonders for your power of persuasion.
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here we go again... all the call for torture and such.. I believe in mercy. The man is sick... all pedaphiles are sick and in misery... like a rabid dog, they are incurable... They simply need to be put down.
I believe that this man had shown to be a pedahile in the past? He should have been put down back then... merciful for him and certainly.... merciful for all his victims since his first arrest.
put him to sleep and best of luck to him in the next life I say.
lazs
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
SLO, you have lifted the level of debate on this BBS with your rapier like wit. With your virtually Churchillian rhetoric you should take up speech writing for parliment.
:D
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Do you use :aok when you speak to people in person? It really does wonders for your power of persuasion.
yeah, especially if you are talking about death penalty.