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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: simshell on February 04, 2004, 01:18:41 PM
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we all know that this game is WW2 based and its lean to the flight sim but its got GV's ships and this game looks like it could start going more into the ground war which would turn it more into a WW2 combat sim and not just a combat flight sim
i ask 2 things
is this a combat flight sim still?
and do you think this game should go into ground combat more with new tanks gvs ships and one day troop combat?
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Combat Flight Sim. GV's are more of a side show to me.
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Originally posted by simshell
and do you think this game should go into ground combat more with new tanks gvs ships and one day troop combat?
Should? Don't know if it "should". Do know it will, eventually.
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Originally posted by simshell
so what is this game a FLIGHT SIM OR A COMBAT SIM
Hmmm, Yes?
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try reading the post dedalos
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Originally posted by simshell
i ask 2 things
is this a combat flight sim still?
and do you think this game should go into ground combat more with new tanks gvs ships and one day troop combat?
I have two answers:
This is still a combat flight sim, but that aspect is slipping fast.
I will play offline air combat games before I will get into driving tanks or boats. If Hitech could un-do the gvs and ships, so that no one ever knew they existed (by use of a mass Vulcan mind warp, for example), I would encourage him to do so.
- oldman
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Originally posted by simshell
try reading the post dedalos
Didn't mean to offend you. I mean yes, it is both a flight sim and a combat sim. Use it anyway you like.
I'll go read the post again now
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AH is a game using decently simulated WWII aircraft for all sorts of human players to engage in PVP air & ground combat set in a fantasy environment.
:)
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The correct answer to this question is that this is a Hobby.
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Its a video game, but without the "3 tokens $1" sign.
(http://www.smalltalksystems.com/clayberg/arcade/room_5.jpg)
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Originally posted by Oldman731
If Hitech could un-do the gvs and ships, so that no one ever knew they existed (by use of a mass Vulcan mind warp, for example), I would encourage him to do so.
Well, I wouldn't! I very much enjoy the GVs and ships and spend as much time (if not more) in as I do flying (bombers only). I think of AH as a Combat Sim..... :p
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it's a chat-room interface with airplane avatars.
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Originally posted by Shane
it's a chat-room interface with airplane avatars.
LOL! Very true! :rofl
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Well Before the Large Maps and the Zazen Tactics:D
It was a Combat Flight Sim. Big, nasty, great furballs.
Now it is mostly just a Flight Sim with some sporadic combat here and there.
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Originally posted by Flossy
Well, I wouldn't! I very much enjoy the GVs and ships and spend as much time (if not more) in as I do flying (bombers only). I think of AH as a Combat Sim..... :p
Reminds me of a joke.
The crowd is stoning the harlot.
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It's a computer game.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Reminds me of a joke.
The crowd is stoning the harlot.
Oldman? Am I misunderstanding you? :confused:
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As long as there is automated ACK and the such it is and will never be a SIM.
But more of an arcade game really.
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Originally posted by mars01
Well Before the Large Maps and the Zazen Tactics:D
It was a Combat Flight Sim. Big, nasty, great furballs.
Now it is mostly just a Flight Sim with some sporadic combat here and there.
Lol Mars. Every thread I read there you are trying to slip me the bone!:eek: I must really freak you out, eh? :rofl
Zazen
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I'd have to say its a WWII Flight sim with gameplay.
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According to the nuance of the word "sim" used by some people in this thread, obviously the world has never seen a "sim" come to existence yet.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
According to the nuance of the word "sim" used by some people in this thread, obviously the world has never seen a "sim" come to existence yet.
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He he, isn't that right.
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No Zaz your too busy doing it yourself lol:D
It was just too perfecet here lol, more for the joke no bad feelings hahaha:D
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Actually, the game has evolved into a study of herd dynamics. It's quite common to see large gaggles on all three sides carefully avoiding each other to the greatest degree possible....it's not a flight sim...it's not a combat sim....it's a sheep sim.
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Originally posted by WldThing
The correct answer to this question is that this is a Hobby.
Then you don't play enough.:D
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Originally posted by slimm50
Then you don't play enough.:D
Not enough time in the day to play as much is id like to ;) For now that is..
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It's a Combat Flight GAME.
WAY too much missing for it to be a sim. It's damn fun though, can't argue against that.
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Simshell....best thing about this game imho is that one can make it anything they want!
If you want to consider it a flightsim...you can, just by the way you approach the game.
If you want a high ranking...use GVs, bombers, torpedo boats and fighters grab the gusto! I dislike the term scorehore. Everyone pays the fee to play...so make it want you want.
If you just want to fly fighters, 90% of the time you won't rank highly. But so what? You're paying and playing the way you want to. Be a great fighter Pilot, Tank Commander.John Kennedy in the PT109...heck...use your imagination...just have fun damnit!
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eeek...hajo fell on the send key and he cant get up...get those sheep of him...
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try "Horde Wars" Sim.
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Hajo's been drinking again...
:D
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"Hajos been drinking again"
Wilbuz....the word is "still"
as in "Hajos still drinking! :D
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Hajo is also entirely correct.
Its your time, its your dime, you decide what to do with it & how to fly/have fun.
Ignore what anyone else says. Either they are ticked off cause you just killed em, or they are even more ticked off cause they can't kill you.
Both situations mean you just won. :)
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zazen prays at the altar of metavoss...
lazs
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i believe htc has said over and over this is a game not a sim.
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Originally posted by lazs2
zazen prays at the altar of metavoss...
lazs
Actually, I pray at the altar of the actual pilots that fought during World War 2, no matter what side they flew for. The same ones that inspire my imagination when I read of their harrowing exploits and heroic resolve. When I fly, I am performing a ritual of commemoration and rememberance in their honor. I even go so far as to immitate their methodology and tactics, to the best of my ability, endeavoring to at least vaguely fathom how they may have felt battling, with grim determination, for their lives in the skies over Europe and the Pacific.
Zazen
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id have to say a little of both because i find myself using the gv's more and more to sneak in and take down a base
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
i believe htc has said over and over this is a game not a sim.
He's referred to it as both. But, it's apparent the sim part started slipping awhile back.
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selective realism is merely ego with an excuse.... if you use the gamiest , least realistic features of the game to excell and then call it "realistc" behavior.... you are fooling no on but your own ego... say for instantce...
What would be one of the gamiest features? The ostie I'm sure everyone would say... spawn camping.... How bout ship gunner... most would agree that is pretty unrealistic or... if you do have to fly.... someone like I am talking about would probly use the tiffie... a plane that's engine rarely ran well.. one not seen much in any theatre but certainly not used against early war planes and certainly not 100% reliable.. yeah... I would say most of those are pretty gamey... hardly a tribute to real WWII pilots.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
selective realism is merely ego with an excuse.... if you use the gamiest , least realistic features of the game to excell and then call it "realistc" behavior.... you are fooling no on but your own ego... say for instantce...
What would be one of the gamiest features? The ostie I'm sure everyone would say... spawn camping.... How bout ship gunner... most would agree that is pretty unrealistic or... if you do have to fly.... someone like I am talking about would probly use the tiffie... a plane that's engine rarely ran well.. one not seen much in any theatre but certainly not used against early war planes and certainly not 100% reliable.. yeah... I would say most of those are pretty gamey... hardly a tribute to real WWII pilots.
lazs
Your comprehension of history is laughable.
A) the Typhoon IB was a fine fighter, it just wasn't the HIGH altitude fighter the RAF and US were looking for and found in the P51's. The design problems of the earlier models were solved. It excelled in medium to low alt roles. It's primary short-fall was a very vulnerable radiator, a definate liability during air to ground missions due to ground fire, which is modelled in AH. Furthermore, I fly other aircraft as well, particularly the F6F-5 and the P47D-30. The Typhoon is my favorite primarily because I have great success killing La7's with it, La7's as we know are in great abundance, especially when fighting Bishops ;)
B) Ground fire accounted for 75% of all lost aircraft, ever heard of Ploesti? The elite anti-aircraft units there decimated the low alt-raid attempts by the Americans. The germans especially had very sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons and used them effectively with highly trained crews.
C) The single most important function of escort ships for carriers was anti-aircraft duty. Other than the aircraft themselves it was the only defense the fleets had vs. attacking aircraft and was generally effective except when it came to suicide 'kamikazes'. Seems realistic to me, pretty much the only way carriers get sunk is from suicide attacks nowadays, a determined suicider can penetrate the AA screen.
Not sure what your definition of gamey is. But, survivalism is not, as I explained earlier, necessarily conducive to high rank/score. In fact, it is generally much easier to rank highly (top 100) in a fighter "Furballing Until You Die". Incidentally, I have never, and will never spawn camp, I think that practice is extremely cheesy. When I speak of game nuances that detract from the realistic/immersive feel, spawn camping tops my list. All of my vehicle kills come from killing would-be vulchers in an Ostwind. I just happen to be very good at it ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
B) Ground fire accounted for 75% of all lost aircraft, ever heard of Ploesti? The elite anti-aircraft units there decimated the low alt-raid attempts by the Americans. The germans especially had very sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons and used them effectively with highly trained crews.
I have, one of my family members was part of some Elite anti aircraft unit.. He downed american B-17's on their raids to German occupied lands.
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so... you are saying that the napier was a very reliable engine that ran cool?
oh... and "groundfire" accounts for most of your kills too doesn't it?
. the slowest plane you fly is the f6.. if you have to fly from a carrier it would be the best choice. At alt the 47 is pretty untouchable.
face it... you don't want realism.... you want to have an advantage over the other players and you want to game the game by using the most poorly modeled features. That is fine but... don't tart it up with some sort of "historical" bent. Most fighter pilots were agressive and did things that were allmost suicidal when needed... you are an opportunist who has no concept of what they were about.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so... you are saying that the napier was a very reliable engine that ran cool?
oh... and "groundfire" accounts for most of your kills too doesn't it?
. the slowest plane you fly is the f6.. if you have to fly from a carrier it would be the best choice. At alt the 47 is pretty untouchable.
face it... you don't want realism.... you want to have an advantage over the other players and you want to game the game by using the most poorly modeled features. That is fine but... don't tart it up with some sort of "historical" bent. Most fighter pilots were agressive and did things that were allmost suicidal when needed... you are an opportunist who has no concept of what they were about.
lazs
Lol Lazs, you make no sense at all, you are one confused little dude. With the notable exception of the Japanese kamikazes and the late war German suicide buff killing squadron (rammed them with barely trained pilots), I have never read of any 'suicidal' behavior on the part of WW2 Combat aviators. In fact, if anything, they were even more hell bent on survival than I am (presumably because they actually really died ). The highest regard was given to a pilot who NEVER lost a wingman, or a commander who NEVER lost a pilot to hostile action. In fact, in the Luftwaffe, if a pilot lost his wingman he was forever precluded from command positions, it was a disgrace. Skilled fighter pilots were a scarce and precious resource, not to be squandered recklessly. This was deeply ingrained into the pilot's minds and was reflected in their training and tactical manuals.
The Typhoon (the napier sabre IIa wasn't particularly unreliable, it just had poor performance at altitude and a very vulnerable radiator; only 100 of the Typhoon Ia's (1941) were built with the problematic sabre engine, the Ib's (1942) , the ones AH uses, had the newer, more powerfull and mechanically sound sabre IIa engine), F6F-5 or P47D-30 are not in the Big 4 (Spitfire/Niki/La7/P51D) tier #1 "Dweeb" ride category. In any event, reliability is not modelled in AH, Japanese aircraft, especially late in the war, were notoriously unreliable, modelling reliability is impractical. You are obviously just a disgruntled detractor with nothing else to obsess about.
Claiming I do not genuinely endeavor to fly realistically because of the planes I choose to fly is rediculous. Was a P51D pilot with 5 victories in some way inferior in the eyes of God and country than a P40 pilot with 5 kills? I think not! Just because I choose not to fly the most disadvantaged plane in the set does not mean my attempt at realism is any less zealous, it's simply a matter of personal preference. I fly as realistically as I can within the paradigm of the Aces High gaming environment. I apologize if my methods do not meet with your approval, feel free to kiss my arse ;)
Have a nice day! :cool:
Zazen
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And one side of the bar chants: "Less filling!"
The other side responds just as fervently: "Tastes great!"
99 bottles of beer on the wall later ....
"Less great!"
"Tastes filling!"
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sahweeeeeeeeet! :cool:
Originally posted by Zazen13
I apologize if my methods do not meet with your approval, feel free to kiss my arse ;)
Have a nice day! :cool:
Zazen
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zazen.. Why don't you just admit that you don't care about realism and that you use the gamiest features of the sim to pad the score that you care so much about.
Real WWII pikots were agressive... sure they tried to survive... who wouldn't but they went on missions that in my opinion were near suicide. They flew inferior planes against their enemies... the brits didn't all grab 190's when they came out. There are many instances of pilots eagerly climbing to get at their enemies and fighting against large odds.... you fly a fast plane and watch your countrymen die. you don't fly formations or anything like a realistic manner.
Realism does not apply in any case to this sim with it's distances and chess pieces and anything goes... The only "realism" is the way the gunnery damage and FM's are simulated and you look for the gamiest features in all three. If anything I feel that you are insulting WWII pilots by claiming to imitate them.
lazs
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have to chime in here lazs... not *all* pilots were aggressive; many were pretty timid and didn't accomplish very much other than filling up the roster and boring holes thru the sky.
just like the game we play, the real guys had a mixture of personality types.
didn't chuck yeager say soemthing like, 10% of the pilots got 90% of the kills?
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you are correct shane but a great many were and those who weren't made a show of being... there were plenty of "mechanical malfunctions" that made pilots turn back.
I don't question or care about the way anyone flies in this game but... I will pull their covers when they choose the gamiest features of the sim and then try to claim some particular skill is involved. That for some reason their 'score' proves that they are good at anything other than finding loopholes.... the metavoss school of thought. They can do as they please but they should be hiding from exposure not bragging.
lazs
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Actually, I pray at the altar of the actual pilots that fought during World War 2, no matter what side they flew for. The same ones that inspire my imagination when I read of their harrowing exploits and heroic resolve. When I fly, I am performing a ritual of commemoration and rememberance in their honor. I even go so far as to immitate their methodology and tactics, to the best of my ability, endeavoring to at least vaguely fathom how they may have felt battling, with grim determination, for their lives in the skies over Europe and the Pacific.
What joke Zazen, if that were the case then you wouldn't need all your gay shade accounts. You'd fly one account and let the numbers show the truth. But instead you fly different accounts manipulate the game to force an outcome that is not accurate or even valid. Then you throw up scores like they mean something. :rofl
Also this game in no way reflects the realism of WWII combat. It models the flight characteristics and that is about it. The game play and the way people fly doesn't even come close. If you have any doubt about that go read RA's post "U.S. fighter tactics". After reading it, there is no doubt that the way WWII pilots flew and the way any arena in AH is set up are completely different.
Lol Lazs, you make no sense at all, you are one confused little dude. With the notable exception of the Japanese kamikazes and the late war German suicide buff killing squadron (rammed them with barely trained pilots), I have never read of any 'suicidal' behavior on the part of WW2 Combat aviators.
Yeah and Boyington didn't get shot down chasing a record. Please to make a statment like the above shows how narrow your view of WWII combat is. It was plain suicide just climbing into those aircraft. Unlike you these guys pushed their aircraft to the edge and back. I caught a show on Wings about the lead 38 pilot in the PAC theater, they said after almost every flight he came back with poped rivits and warped pannels because he pushed his plane beyond the scope it was ment to fly in. They didn't fly safe and timid not pushing their aircraft and they sure as hell didn't have shade acounts to cover their prettythanges.
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Originally posted by mars01
What joke Zazen, if that were the case then you wouldn't need all your gay shade accounts. You'd fly one account and let the numbers show the truth. But instead you fly different accounts manipulate the game to force an outcome that is not accurate or even valid. Then you throw up scores like they mean something. :rofl
Also this game in no way reflects the realism of WWII combat. It models the flight characteristics and that is about it. The game play and the way people fly doesn't even come close. If you have any doubt about that go read RA's post "U.S. fighter tactics". After reading it, there is no doubt that the way WWII pilots flew and the way any arena in AH is set up are completely different.
Yeah and Boyington didn't get shot down chasing a record. Please to make a statment like the above shows how narrow your view of WWII combat is. It was plain suicide just climbing into those aircraft. Unlike you these guys pushed their aircraft to the edge and back. I caught a show on Wings about the lead 38 pilot in the PAC theater, they said after almost every flight he came back with poped rivits and warped pannels because he pushed his plane beyond the scope it was ment to fly in. They didn't fly safe and timid not pushing their aircraft and they sure as hell didn't have shade acounts to cover their prettythanges.
Lol, Mars, first of all shades accounts are learning tools. I started AH 3 years after everyone else, I use them to accelerate the learning process. Unlike actual WW2 pilots I don't have the luxury of sitting down with fellow pilots, comparing notes, stories and tactics. Filming other pilots is VERY educational, I can recognize most premier pilots just by how they maneuver and behave now and react accordingly.
Secondly, don't confuse Boyington's lust for glory as suicidal, he was just overly enthusiastic and got his hand caught in the cookie jar. In MA vernacular, he got in too deep pressing for that 'one more kill'. His intention was not suicide or capture.
Thirdly, everyone pushes their planes as far as they will go, especially TnB planes, if you don't, you are dead, because the other guy sure as hell is, to think otherwise is folly. Nice argument though, doesn't work.
Zazen
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Originally posted by lazs2
zazen.. Why don't you just admit that you don't care about realism and that you use the gamiest features of the sim to pad the score that you care so much about.
Real WWII pikots were agressive... sure they tried to survive... who wouldn't but they went on missions that in my opinion were near suicide. They flew inferior planes against their enemies... the brits didn't all grab 190's when they came out. There are many instances of pilots eagerly climbing to get at their enemies and fighting against large odds.... you fly a fast plane and watch your countrymen die. you don't fly formations or anything like a realistic manner.
Realism does not apply in any case to this sim with it's distances and chess pieces and anything goes... The only "realism" is the way the gunnery damage and FM's are simulated and you look for the gamiest features in all three. If anything I feel that you are insulting WWII pilots by claiming to imitate them.
lazs
Actually, I am very aggressive when I engage, I do it with great deliberation, and I stay engaged so long as it is prudent to. You are making alot of assumptions about how I fly with no actual first hand knowledge. I don't game anything, I just fly as close to the historical record as feasible within the framework of the game. My rank/score is usually decent but not, by any means, spectacular. Any really good Furballer has a better rank than I do. I did the exact same thing in AW, I just flew realistically, the high score was just symptomatic of the scoring system and it's bias toward realism.
Zazen
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Originally posted by lazs2
you are correct shane but a great many were and those who weren't made a show of being... there were plenty of "mechanical malfunctions" that made pilots turn back.
I don't question or care about the way anyone flies in this game but... I will pull their covers when they choose the gamiest features of the sim and then try to claim some particular skill is involved. That for some reason their 'score' proves that they are good at anything other than finding loopholes.... the metavoss school of thought. They can do as they please but they should be hiding from exposure not bragging.
lazs
Loopholes? Jeezuz Lazs, you are an example of someone addicted to self-dellusion. Tell me exactly what loopholes I am exploiting? I fly Typhoon, F6f-5 and P47D-30. I fly them 20k or less, I engage descriminately but deliberately. I have good aim and good SA. How exactly is any of that exploiting loopholes in the game?
Zazen
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Geez Zazen you are like talking to a woman,
Call you on something and you change your story, you should be a spin doctor for some sleazy politician.
Lol, Mars, first of all shades accounts are learning tools. I started AH 3 years after everyone else, I use them to accelerate the learning process. Unlike actual WW2 pilots I don't have the luxury of sitting down with fellow pilots, comparing notes, stories and tactics. Filming other pilots is VERY educational, I can recognize most premier pilots just by how they maneuver and behave now and react accordingly.
You stated in other posts, "I have played these games a LONG time." Now you are crying about being a noob. FLip flopping as usual. Learning tools, what a joke. Shade accounts are so you can hide when you suck and so you can pad your public account. If you wanted to be taken seriously you would post your aliases so we could see the real you. As long as you hide behind those accounts your Zazen account and score are meaningless.
Unlike actual WW2 pilots I don't have the luxury of sitting down with fellow pilots, comparing notes, stories and tactics. Filming other pilots is VERY educational,
More Zazen BS - This BB is same as sitting down with fellow pilots and many films are traded freely, not to mention all the ones you can record yourself.
Secondly, don't confuse Boyington's lust for glory as suicidal, he was just overly enthusiastic and got his hand caught in the cookie jar. In MA vernacular, he got in too deep pressing for that 'one more kill'. His intention was not suicide or capture.
See how you twist - You don't have to wake up in the morning and decide to be suicidal to make suicidal mistakes. You stated, "I have never read of any 'suicidal' behavior on the part of WW2 Combat aviators." Plain BS - "overly enthusiastic" suicidal same thing, when you turn to semantics you are done.
Thirdly, everyone pushes their planes as far as they will go, especially TnB planes, if you don't, you are dead, because the other guy sure as hell is, to think otherwise is folly. Nice argument though, doesn't work.
Please in your last thread you stated you don't fly the planes outside of the way it should be flown, you were braggin about how careful you are. Now you are psuhing your plane beyond its scope, because as you said, "if you don't, you are dead". Your floping around more than when you have someone on your six. What doesn't work here is your continued diarhea of the keyboard BS.
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Originally posted by mars01
Geez Zazen you are like talking to a woman,
Call you on something and you change your story, you should be a spin doctor for some sleazy politician.
You stated in other posts, "I have played these games a LONG time." Now you are crying about being a noob. FLip flopping as usual. Learning tools, what a joke. Shade accounts are so you can hide when you suck and so you can pad your public account. If you wanted to be taken seriously you would post your aliases so we could see the real you. As long as you hide behind those accounts your Zazen account and score are meaningless.
More Zazen BS - This BB is same as sitting down with fellow pilots and many films are traded freely, not to mention all the ones you can record yourself.
See how you twist - You don't have to wake up in the morning and decide to be suicidal to make suicidal mistakes. You stated, "I have never read of any 'suicidal' behavior on the part of WW2 Combat aviators." Plain BS - "overly enthusiastic" suicidal same thing, when you turn to semantics you are done.
Please in your last thread you stated you don't fly the planes outside of the way it should be flown, you were braggin about how careful you are. Now you are psuhing your plane beyond its scope, because as you said, "if you don't, you are dead". Your floping around more than when you have someone on your six. What doesn't work here is your continued diarhea of the keyboard BS.
Umm, actually I am a better furballer than a suvivalist apparently, because when I compete against myself my furballing account always ranks higher ;)
As far as pushing planes, I also qualified that as TnB planes, just as you used the p38 as your example.
As far as trading films and stories, or filming your own missions. These are not necessarily the films I am looking for, I may want to film someone in particular or somone who is good in a plane I am working on, or perhaps someone who earlier did an incredible maneuver when I was not filming and wish to see it in action. I also ask for films, but the quality of films I get on my own are far better. People tend to be subjectively selective about their own films they keep of themselves.
While I have alot of Combat Sim experience , I am relatively Inexperienced with Aces High compared to the upper echelon players I am in competition with. I still have alot to learn about AH. That is part of the appeal of this game, always something new to learn, very dynamic.
Furthermore, I think you are incorrect in lumping suicidal and overly-enthusiastic, or over-aggressiveness in the same category. WHile in some examples the end result may be the same, the difference is that of intention. Suicide is the deliberate and willfull taking of ones' own life. Over-aggressiveness is forcing an attack beyond the limits of safety in order to inflict maximum damage upon the adversary. See how the end result may be the same, but the intention is entirely different? Think about it.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Lol, Mars, first of all shades accounts are learning tools. I started AH 3 years after everyone else, I use them to accelerate the learning process. Unlike actual WW2 pilots I don't have the luxury of sitting down with fellow pilots, comparing notes, stories and tactics
Zazen
That explains nothing. You don't want your exalted position in score to be comprimised.
That's silly, who cares ?? Besides you ??
I'm in the cellar this tour, workin on stuff.
Gettin my bellybutton handed to me but I use my account, with my handle.
With all your disertations about realism..having more than one account to practice on different things is as far from realism that you can be.
It's the snicker factor.
You got it, we enjoy it.
Snickers are fun and you've provided more than a few in these last weeks.
Good show :)
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Relative new bloke here. So bear with me.
Just an observation as the thread seems to have got bogged down in historical accuracy issues. I used to fly AW in the allies versus axis theatre years ago. In that game and particular arena I think history was more acurately reflected. The plane set rotated putting early war variants against each other. Also the different countries used different plane sets so you didn't get the farcical sight of spitfire pilots trying to shoot each other down for example. Spit pilots went for 109s or 190s. seems to me that until the game ( for that is what it is chaps ) evolves in that direction history will be in the back seat. To be honest its fun as it is I admit, but as someone who came to WW2 combat games becauseI have an interest in the period it seems a shame that the game does not attempt to re create at least some semblance of historical accuracy. As I recall it was good for squads aswell. Axis orallied squads all had their own character which added another dimension to the game for us "Walter Mitty" types lol. (apologies for any misspellings. Not my forte I'm afraid )
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Relative new bloke here. So bear with me.
Just an observation as the thread seems to have got bogged down in historical accuracy issues. I used to fly AW in the allies versus axis theatre years ago. In that game and particular arena I think history was more acurately reflected. The plane set rotated putting early war variants against each other. Also the different countries used different plane sets so you didn't get the farcical sight of spitfire pilots trying to shoot each other down for example. Spit pilots went for 109s or 190s. seems to me that until the game ( for that is what it is chaps ) evolves in that direction history will be in the back seat. To be honest its fun as it is I admit, but as someone who came to WW2 combat games becauseI have an interest in the period it seems a shame that the game does not attempt to re create at least some semblance of historical accuracy. As I recall it was good for squads aswell. Axis orallied squads all had their own character which added another dimension to the game for us "Walter Mitty" types lol. (apologies for any misspellings. Not my forte I'm afraid )
Yea, I think the makers of these games have found through bitter experience that specializing the arenas too much doesn't sell. The simple fact is, the common recreational/casual player enjoys the freedom of the homogenous mix. I find the only way, at present, I can enjoy that kind of historical recreation with many people is the scheduled special events and scenarios. Hopefully with AH2 "Tour of Duty" there will be another option that may blend the salient points of both perspectives into an amicable experience for all.
Zazen:cool:
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Originally posted by nopoop
Good show :)
Thank-You, my goal when I started this flurry of posting was to draw attention away from a certain thread that was doing considerable damage to the morale of the community. Focussing too much on the negative aspects of an imperfect system only serves to degrade the experience for everyone. Instead, I wanted to put the focus back where it should be. What people do to have fun in AH! I shared my version of fun with everyone as a conversation piece to incite discussion and debate. My version of fun is different from yours, and yours different than the next guy. But, the fact is, for 15 bucks a month this is one damn entertaining game, with something for everyone.
Zazen:cool:
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claiming to fly "realisticly" and "prudently" in late war fast planes in an anything goes arena is simply using loopholes and then justifying it... using gamey feartures like osties and ship guns to pad your score is.... very obvious..
That's all fine and everyone needs some self delusion but I don't think it's selling here. Players know who is good and who is simply an oportunist... if you are an opportunist then drawing attention to yourself will not make people say "hey look at zazen's score! he allways looked like a sissy little b&z weenie to me but wow.... he must be good if he says so!" Maybe someday someone will tell us how good you are but you will have to earn it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
claiming to fly "realisticly" and "prudently" in late war fast planes in an anything goes arena is simply using loopholes and then justifying it... using gamey feartures like osties and ship guns to pad your score is.... very obvious..
That's all fine and everyone needs some self delusion but I don't think it's selling here. Players know who is good and who is simply an oportunist... if you are an opportunist then drawing attention to yourself will not make people say "hey look at zazen's score! he allways looked like a sissy little b&z weenie to me but wow.... he must be good if he says so!" Maybe someday someone will tell us how good you are but you will have to earn it.
lazs
So, only those like yourself who insist on competeing against 1944/45 planes with 1941/1942 planes are not exploiting loopholes? Complete and utter horse hockey my friend. 99% of people fly 1944+ planes, using them yourself is actually MORE realistic. I never claimed to be 'great' or 'better' than anyone. You are just making up stuff to rant about like you always do. Have fun!
Zazen:cool:
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With all this shade accounts crap... etc
I think its time for me to come forth and tell the truth, im Levi, and ive been using this Wldthing account to pad my scores. That is all, i have come clean, lifted weight off my shoulders. Thank you, now back to the regular discussion.
:D
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Originally posted by WldThing
With all this shade accounts crap... etc
I think its time for me to come forth and tell the truth, im Levi, and ive been using this Wldthing account to pad my scores. That is all, i have come clean, lifted weight off my shoulders. Thank you, now back to the regular discussion.
:D
THis is starting to sound like an AA meeting! lol
"Hi my name is George, I haven't logged into my 'shades' account in 5 days"
"HI George!"
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Originally posted by Zazen13
THis is starting to sound like an AA meeting! lol
"Hi my name is George, I haven't logged into my 'shades' account in 5 days"
"HI George!"
Well i thought this WAS an AA meeting!! Ever since shade accounts came up i thought i could contribute... O im sorry, lets forget anything i said then :-P
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Originally posted by Zazen13
...99% of people fly 1944+ planes, using them yourself is actually MORE realistic...
That statement is patently false.
Tinpot,
We have a similar arena. The CT (Combat Theater). Each week it runs a different historical matchup.
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Hey wait! I thought I was Levi:D
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I'm Levi!
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I'm the entire Shillelagh Squadron, flying under multiple accounts, except for Friday nights when I bring in some homeless people and let them play video games for an hour or two. Some of them claim to be vets and even wear camo, but I don't see how they got past the recruiting sergeants.
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:rofl
niiiiiiiice
Originally posted by gofaster
I'm the entire Shillelagh Squadron