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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on February 04, 2004, 09:11:40 PM
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Blatantly copied and pasted from AGW:
Surgeons close wounds with paperclips
Wed 4 February, 2004 06:02 [/b]
LONDON (Reuters) - Surgeons are endangering patients by using paperclips to close wounds and tongue depressors as splints for babies, a government agency has said.
The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency said on Tuesday it had uncovered an increasing trend for doctors to use medical devices in ways they were not meant to be used, and also "adapt non-medical products for clinical purposes".
Such misuse can put patients' health at serious risk, it said.
"For example, use of tongue depressors in a neonatal intensive care unit as limb splints led to two deaths and one amputation because of fungal infection," the agency said.
Surgeons were closing wounds with paperclips and urinary catheters. Others were using wooden clothes pegs to clip devices that measure the pulse on to patients' earlobes, or using fake fingernails to fix cuts on the nail bed.
"The use of a device in these circumstances exposes users and patient to unknown and therefore unacceptable risks and may have legal and ethical implications," it said.
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Wow, I want national health care more than ever now.
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No guys, our government will do a better job...
Like they have with...
Hmmm let me think for a minute...
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The quality of "free" socialized medicine in my youth put the daugthers of my American orthodontist through college!!!!
So at least it did some good somewhere... :lol
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When my husband trapped his thumb in the car door last year, he eventually went to the hospital on advice of our local health centre. I was with him and was amazed to see two nurses approach his cubicle with a trolley, on which was a small meths burner. As we watched they straightened out a paperclip and heated it in the flame before pressing it onto his thumb-nail to punch a hole through and release the blood trapped beneath it. They explained that they used a paper-clip because of the flat end which did not pierce the flesh beneath the nail! :eek:
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Well one good thing about that...it took his mind off his smashed thumb. I would have definitely passed out from that. Especially seeing it coming. I woulda pulled my thumb away and probably not allowed the nurses to do that. I would want a doctor if it came to trust.
Nurses do procedures that must be done. Just seems like they should have been more "stealthy" about hiding the prep work. Then if you pass out, you don't know why.
Les
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American hospitals are perfect. Nothing untoward ever happens there. All staff are professional and none are incompetent.
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USA...WORLDS LEader in Medical Science
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The Swiss are supposed to be pretty hot at medicine. And French hospitals are pretty good too.
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No Dowding, not that at all. I was thinking about the time I dropped a .25 on the floor and it went off hitting me in the big toe and going through into the meat of my foot without hitting the bone complex. It was bad, but didn't really hurt until two days later when I went to the surgeon's office and a nurse probed the wound channel with a pick of some kind to locate the bullet. I couldn't see what she was doing. All I know is I was sitting there one second, and the next second I was seeing stars...that was the worst physical pain I ever felt in my life. I tend to pass out from needles, and that must have been a hell of a shot. Bullet penetrated completely through the big toe and travelled about 2" or so into the meaty bottom of my foot.
Anyway, the Doc was reluctant to remove the bullet, but did it at the hospital. (I went in there thinking he would do it in his office, and was preparing myself for the ordeal.)
Not exactly the kind of thing one is used to, and that's all I meant by my comments to Flossy. Did not mean to make or fuel a political discussion out of it, and if I have done so I sincerely apologize.:D
Les
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No, Leslie I wasn't replying to you - I was replying to the comments about 'socialized' medical care.
Anyway, I hope your foot healed ok. Sounds like you were lucky it wasn't worse. :)
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Originally posted by Leslie
Well one good thing about that...it took his mind off his smashed thumb.
LOL! Well, he is squeamish about these things at the best of times, which was why I was with him - I wanted to make sure he went through with whatever they needed to do to relieve his throbbing thumb. He couldn't look while they did it and I had to keep reassuring him that it would be worth any slight discomfort he felt. He had to admit afterwards that it wasn't really a big deal in the end. :) We spent the next few hours dabbing blood off his nail as it seeped through the hole - walking round the local supermarket buying groceries at the same time! :D
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Originally posted by Dowding
No, Leslie I wasn't replying to you - I was replying to the comments about 'socialized' medical care.
Anyway, I hope your foot healed ok. Sounds like you were lucky it wasn't worse. :)
It healed completely Dowding. Thanks. Yes I've thought about that. Think I placed my foot in front on it or on top of it while it was falling. That could have caused it to discharge, but I made sure it wasn't aiming up. You're right, I was damn lucky. Soon as it dropped I knew it could go off.
Les
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Originally posted by Dowding
The Swiss are supposed to be pretty hot at medicine. And French hospitals are pretty good too.
Shopping for a sex change?
:p
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Why, are you wanting to know if they do two for one deals? :p
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Leslie
What type of .25 was it that you dropped?
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GTO, it was not a regular handgun. I would class it as a "souvenir" or curio more than anything else. It was a pen gun originally from Pakistan. The ammo I used was from years ago. Modern .25 ammo will not chamber in it.
I had the bright idea of wanting to see what it would do, and attempted to fire it into some phone books stacked on the floor. It slipped from my hand and went off when it landed on the floor. I may have placed my foot on it or kicked it away as it fell.
So I didn't get the Darwin award that day, but came close. I'm very fortunate it wasn't worse.
Les
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Yeah, a could have been worse. Hey live and learn right?
:D
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rules for handling loaded firearms
1) do not point firearm at anything you do not want to kill.
2) do not drop loaded firearms.
3) do not let liberals "play" with loaded firearm.
4) act like all firearms are loaded.
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Originally posted by Flossy
When my husband trapped his thumb in the car door last year, he eventually went to the hospital on advice of our local health centre. I was with him and was amazed to see two nurses approach his cubicle with a trolley, on which was a small meths burner. As we watched they straightened out a paperclip and heated it in the flame before pressing it onto his thumb-nail to punch a hole through and release the blood trapped beneath it. They explained that they used a paper-clip because of the flat end which did not pierce the flesh beneath the nail! :eek:
Been there done that... The relief is worth the strange looks...