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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on February 05, 2004, 12:01:51 AM
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I think they are the most over-rated band in history.
They are not even close to the best that came out of the 60s.
Hell, the Stones, Credence Clearwater revival, and the doors are all better in my opinion.
I think the Beetles where the back street boys or Nsync of their day.
What do you guys think?
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I still sing Beatles songs on the way to school. I wasn't born in their time, but I love the music.
Is it the best? Maybe not, but it's damn good. :)
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Well I am 30, so they are before my time as well. I do not own a single Beetles CD, though I have several from the Stones, Hendrix, the Doors, CCR, etc.
I dig 60s music. Hell the music and the cars are just the only good things that came out of that era!
I like a few of their songs, but most seem like popy crap, just like the backstreet boys of today.
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I think the Beatles were and are the benchmark.
The Beatles started recording around 1962 and stopped in 1969. Name any other band during that time period that created as many great songs.
The Beatles are the benchmark for a lot of reasons. They are my all time favorite band , Led Zep being second.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I like a few of their songs, but most seem like popy crap, just like the backstreet boys of today.
The Beatles were nothing like the BS boys. The Beatles wrote, performed and sang all there own songs after 1962, early 1963.
The Beatles inovated so many areas of modern music it is almost unbelievable. They stopped touring in 1965......unheard of at the time and even more so today, yet became even more popular. They were the first to sell out stadiums, invented backstage passes and broadcast the first world-wide satelite TV concert viewed my hundres of millions.
Nobody will ever compair to the Beatles. Even a lot of modern musicians that you would never suspect list the Beatles as primary influences.
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"The impact of the Beatles - not only on rock & roll but on Western culture - is simply incalculable. As musicians, they proved that rock & roll could embrace a limitless variety of harmonies, structures and sounds; virtually every rock experiment has some precedent on Beatle records."
"Although many of their sales and attendance records have since been surpassed, no group has so radically transformed the sound and meaning of rock & roll."
- Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll
Backstreet who?
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LOL ok Nuke, hmm the backstreet boys thing was prolly a low blow.
I know they where popular, I just do not like most of their music hehe
How did they effect culture? I will take your work for the music inovation part.
I am also not saying they are not talented. Just overrated, but maybe should have posted saying, I don't like them much.
Still it should be interesting to see what people think.
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GTO,
You would be well served to educate yourself about the Beatles and their impact on modern music in particular and western culture in general. They are perhaps the greatest contribution the United Kingdon has bestowed upon the world, and that is saying alot.
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I think the original BS boys were the Monkees--whose sound is often mistaken for the beatles by non-fans. They were corporate fabrications and a lot popier(is that a word).
That being said, I was a big beatles fan when I was younger. I'm in my mid-twenties now and for some reason that I cannot explain, most beatles songs sound painfully cliched now. With all their genius, they manage to piss me off more often than not the more I hear them. Lennon was a brilliant songwriter, I can admit that, but his politcs, which often crept into his words, were annoying in the way they shamelessly pandered to his market demographic. McCartney, while charismatic, was an untiring cheeseball. Their drug references didn't touch those of bands in the later sixties and their hippiness was all but sanctimonious given the fact that they were all pushing 30 by the summer of love(Harrison, the youngest, was 26, I believe).
Those little factors aside, yes, they were good. Great, even. They were ground-breaking, they were stylish, despite their Britishness, and they were talented as hell. Any one of them would walk all over Justin Timberrape in the arena of musical talent and achievement, and they deserve to be remembered.
Just for the record, Oasis can suck a fart out of my ass.
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I kinda outgrew the Beatles several years ago, though I still like their music whenever it comes on the radio, which is rare nowadays. Beatles were big when I was in HS during the 70s. Even in college, I used to go to the library listening rooms and play Beatles albums.
But I tell ya, the music I liked most during HS was Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath, Doors, Steeley Dan, ZZ Top, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple, CSN & Y, Bob Dylan.
...and many others that weren't the Beatles. My favorite tune of the day was titled "Keep on truckin' Baby." But it's not the well-known version...it was earlier (around 1973) and was a black beat, back in the days of good music. Great driving music, tho can't recall who did it...didn't know at the time, and tried to find out. If I was smart I'd have called the station, but I was 16, and didn't think of it at the time. And I have searched for years on info of this tune. Would bring back good memories for sure.
We could pick up Little Rock, Arkansas AM station (a "K" station...east of Mississippi River are "W" stations) on our weekend sojourns to the Red Barn in Mississippi. Coming back to Mobile at 1 in the morning on the interstate in a 64 Rambler listening to "The Spiderman" was pure heaven. That was back in 74.
Les
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I think the Beetles where the back street boys or Nsync of their day.
What do you guys think?
I think it's spelled Beatles to begin with. Not being old enough, you may not remember exactly what was passing for Rock and Roll before John, Paul, George and Ringo made their impression on American (and Worldwide) Music.
Here's the Billboard Top 10 for 1963: (1 year before the invasion)
1. Sugar Shack - Jimmy Gilmer & the Fireballs
2. He's So fine - The Chiffons
3. Dominque - The Singing Nun
4. Hey Paula - Paul and Paula
5. My Boyfriend's Back - the Angels
6. Blue Velvet - Bobby Vinton
7. Sukiyaki - Kyu Sakamoto
8. I Will Follow Him - Little Peggy March
9. Fingertips pt. 2 - Little Stevie Wonder
10. Walk Like A Man - the 4 Seasons
Now look at the Billboard Top 10 for 1971:
1. American Pie - Don McLean
2. Joy To The World - Three Dog Night
3. Brown Sugar - Rolling Stones
4. Maggie May - Rod Stewart
5. Proud Mary - Ike and Tina Turner
6. You've Got A Friend - James Taylor
7. Stairway To Heaven - Led Zeppelin
8. Let's Stay Together - Al Green
9. Colour My World - Chicago
10. Imagine - John Lennon
The change in music content and style may not be completely because of The Beatles, but they played a HUGE part in it. Sweet and wholesome "safe" music was gone. Pushing traditional boundries with Magical Mystery Tour and Sgt. Pepper opened the door for many, many artists to express their talent in ways that would have gotten them thrown in jail just a few years earlier. Yes, other bands played their part in music's evolution....but The Beatles were the catalyst. Oh, yeah....they also had the best songwriting duo in existence.
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You guys know of a good book on the Beetles?
****, I spelled it wrong? How funn is that I search on the intardnet to find a site about them and they spelled it wrong too.
Man how funny is that?
I feel like a goof!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
LOL ok Nuke, hmm the backstreet boys thing was prolly a low blow.
I know they where popular, I just do not like most of their music hehe
How did they effect culture? I will take your work for the music inovation part.
I am also not saying they are not talented. Just overrated, but maybe should have posted saying, I don't like them much.
Still it should be interesting to see what people think.
NP GtoRA2, understood :)
Have you heard these Beatle songs? I think they some of the best.
While My Guitar Gentley Weeps, Dear Prudence, Day Tripper, A Day In The Life, Norweigan Wood, Come Together, Get Back, Helter Skelter, Rain, She Said She Said, Tomorrow Never Knows, A Little Help From My Friends, Hey Bulldog, Revolution, Hey Jude, Julia, I'm So Tired, I Feel Fine, Blackbird, Glass Onion, Help, Hey Jude, Let It Be...... I could list many more.... all produced in a 7 year period..many more too
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Interesting post RPM, thanks. I need to find that Del Shannon ,runway song on MP3 I love it. lol.
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Some nuke...
I gota run bed time.. .lol I will continue this tommorow! Good stuff guys!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
You guys know of a good book on the Beetles?
The Complete Beatles.
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I never liked them much except when I was getting loaded. They were basicly a womens group.
lazs
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I think they are the most over-rated band in history.
They are not even close to the best that came out of the 60s.
Hell, the Stones, Credence Clearwater revival, and the doors are all better in my opinion.
I think the Beetles where the back street boys or Nsync of their day.
What do you guys think?
Your opinion is clearly flawed just based on record sales and number of #1 hits... Which none of the bands you mentioned come close to the Beetles in any top selling category.
When they released SGT Peppers every member of the bands you mentioned was jealous of the innovative sound of the album.
Even x-beetle members solo albums did better than some of the bands you mention being better.
But believe what you want...
The Stones were the most over rated band of the era in my opinion, and John Fogarty couldn't muster much of a solo career after leaving creedeance especially none of the members of CCR,
And the Doors members solo careers were a huge success right!?
Yoko had a better solo album career then most of them lol...
IKON
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Originally posted by Yeager
GTO,
You would be well served to educate yourself about the Beatles and their impact on modern music in particular and western culture in general. They are perhaps the greatest contribution the United Kingdon has bestowed upon the world, and that is saying alot.
even better than AC/DC?
(http://www.discstickers.com/music/covers/backinblack.jpg)
:)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
How did they effect culture? I will take your work for the music inovation part.
I have bought my first tape-recorder in 1985 to listen to the Beatles.
First two Beatles LPs were published in USSR in 1986. "Hard day's night" without the last song (When I get home IIRC) and a compilation of early records with only a few Lennon-McCartney songs.
I had to stand in a line for 2 hours in a cold rain in March 1986 to buy one.
Thousands of people here learned English just to understand the Beatles.
About musical innovations - just listen to Revolver and Abbey Road, then try to understand that they were recorded in 1966 and 1969.
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Well damn, there are a bunch of songs I want to hear, but I do not want to Kazza them, nore do I have the money right now to go buy the albums!
LOL. Still interesting. Lots of the guys I know, well the younger ones, say the 25 years and younger group agreed with me, the conversation I was having with them inspired the post. Then again what do a bunch of under 25 year olds know? :D
Interesting.
Boroda
Man, I just do not know what to say about you not getting to hear the music tell the 80s..
Interesting that people learned english to listen to them.:D
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Your missing the point. Sure there might be some other great bands out there, but the beatles basicly started the rock movement. They changed the way people think. It was also the same with nirvana. Sure their have been better bands, but nirvana was the first of a genre.
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The early pop stuff was pretty much fluff, IMO, but Revolver marked a change that led to some great music and innovation,
Charon
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I second the revolver statement. The beatles transformed music from the elvis era to their era. And then reinvented themselves and rock and roll at the end of the revolver CD. Every band in the hip SF scene of the 60's emulated the beatles in one way or another.
While some of the music is cheesey repetitive and dull by todays standards even 70's standards much of it stands the test of time...
I take the beatles any day of the week over Lipsync I mean Nsync, Spears (whining yak), or Agulera (toothpick whatever)
DoctorYo
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I grew up during the time the beetles came into popularity. I do not own a single record of theirs. I did enjoy the early songs and a very few of the latter ones to come out. It is my opinion that the psychodelic song period they came up with is nothing but trash. The songs had no meaning and seemed to be just words strung together to a music score. At the end it, also in my opinion, seems they experimented to see just how far out they could go and still sell records. Just an experiment to see what the public would spend money on and meaning or merit had nothing to do with it. They seemed to feel that the public was so dumb that they would buy anything as long as it came from the beetles.
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I was thinking last night how much I enjoyed the black female mo-town groups of the 60s. Now they produced ALOT of great music.
I think its going to be a long time before we get another pinancle decade of music (~1965-1975).
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My dad and grandad (family cleaning business) used to clean the beatles' shop in London, one day my dad was cleaning the windows on the inside, knocked a bit of "modern art" (kinda sculpture thing) off the shelf and broke it. So my dad and grandad smuggled it back to the van, and got the glue out. Problem being that they had no idea how it was supposed to go back together (being modern art and all). So they randomly stuck it together, put it back on the shelf and no one noticed the difference.
Few weeks later someone brought it.
:D
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Well I am 30, so they are before my time as well. I do not own a single Beetles CD,
Well that explains it dont it.
they where before your time so you kinda had to been there to inderstand the impact they had on music back then.
As far as being the best?
Well thats open to ones own interpetation i think .
You know wha kind of music does one like and why?
I think songs like hey jude yesterday are classics just as I do
pink floyd dark side of the moon is one the best all time albums.
But then again that my intepetation .
So music like any other art form is really in the ear of the beholder.
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Being old enough to reply - my sister was into Elvis, which was cool, but being younger, I tolerated his wiggling existence in the music world(now I think he's cool). My older brother was into The Beach Boys, Jan & Dean, and Motown, which I didn't mind, but not too earth shattering(I love Motown now too). Then the Beatles hit the American shores, and at first my older sister hated them, my older brother said they were sissy's with their moptops, but I was totally into them because they were "happening", had a completely different sound which had rhythm and soul, plus they pissed off the very people I was always pissin' off, my older brother and sister. The Beatles just kept getting better. Long hair, wear what you want, and just kept pissin' my siblings off, with their greatness. They made music that everyone might not of liked, but most listened, because it was fresh and innovating. Yup, I'm glad I was able to experience the change. Now it's 2004, and we've seen a lot of changes in music. Most people know a Beatle tune when they hear it. :)
Thorns
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Keep in mind also that during most of the Beatles' albums were created with nothing more than 4-track recording technology.
Not only did they pioneer unique recording procedures but the did it with very limited technology.
And for all you people knowlegdable about the Beatles. It's 'Beatles' not 'Beetles'.
And I also concur about the early songs...they were pop. Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Peppers were not only outstanding but also extremely innovative albums for their time.
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pink floyd dark side of the moon is one the best all time albums.
<~~ya still number 1 selling album of all time,,i like it alot my self
im not a big beatles fan,,but i do like a few of there tunes,,and i realise what they did for music<~~first ones to cutt holes in there speakers to try and get distortion for songs like revolution,,when they had nothing but clean tone amps to play threw,,lol<~~my fav beatles tune that everyone seems to forget about is GET BACK!! when they play that on the roof tops live,,wow that was killer for its time
im only 29,,but im old anuff to enjoy older and newer music,,and i like it all,,from the beatles too slayer,,if you dont got a good range of music,,you will never know whats good or not,lol,,lots of bands i like better than beatles ,,,lynard skynard,,ccr,,all the way up to new music,,but beatles were great to kick back and rock out in my old 8 track player with sg pepper blasting in my ears,,only 3 albums i had back then,,,sgt peppers,,ccr revival,,and nazerath hair of the dog<~~got to love now your messin with!!{son of a b##},,lol
as for the stones,,ummmm,,i think there weak and over rated!!,,but!! they also the best selling and highest paid band in the world still!! so i give it up to them,,start me up is a good tune,,and painted black
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Sorry. The fact you can't even spell the band's name disqualifies you from having any relevant opinion on them.
yowser
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Originally posted by yowser
Sorry. The fact you can't even spell the band's name disqualifies you from having any relevant opinion on them.
yowser
LOL!
but... going on that logic, HT's spelling (or lack thereof) disqualifies him from having any relevant opinion on programming? ;)
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I like Revolver a lot but have grown to like the White Album more.
Even the Beatles early pop songs are pretty amazing when you listen to the chords used and the vocals/harmonies.
Some of the early songs ( 1965 and before) that I feel are great examples of pure songwriting talent.... not much you can say bad about these:
A Hard Day's Night, , I feel Fine, , Eight Days A Week, Help, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, Ticket To Ride, Norwegian Wood, In My Life, some were pop, others just plain unreal for their time.
Even at this early stage they were among the best songwriters ever seen in my opinion. They simply got better and better and broke up after releasing probably their best yet, Abbey Road.
They did it all in about 7 years, changed music, changed culture and then went out on top. What more could any band ever hope to do?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Even the Beatles early pop songs are pretty amazing when you listen to the chords used and the vocals/harmonies.
Did you know that rumour has it that John Lennon agreed to let a much younger George Harrison join the band because he knew the most chords?
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Originally posted by Furball
My dad and grandad (family cleaning business) used to clean the beatles' shop in London, one day my dad was cleaning the windows on the inside, knocked a bit of "modern art" (kinda sculpture thing) off the shelf and broke it. So my dad and grandad smuggled it back to the van, and got the glue out. Problem being that they had no idea how it was supposed to go back together (being modern art and all). So they randomly stuck it together, put it back on the shelf and no one noticed the difference.
Few weeks later someone brought it.
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I'm drunk, but I dont' understand the 'brought it' part. Could just be the alcohol.