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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on February 05, 2004, 09:56:56 AM
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Picked this up on Drudge today. Sounds like the usual Character Assasination the Post is famous for.
I wonder how much of this is true.
ONE of the surest ways to get the phones ringing on any Massachusetts talk-radio show is to ask people to call in and tell their John Kerry stories. The phone lines are soon filled, and most of the stories have a common theme: our junior senator pulling rank on one of his constituents, breaking in line, demanding to pay less (or nothing) or ducking out before the bill arrives.
The tales often have one other common thread. Most end with Sen. Kerry inquiring of the lesser mortal: "Do you know who I am?"
And now he's running for president as a populist. His first wife came from a Philadelphia Main Line family worth $300 million. His second wife is a pickle-and-ketchup heiress.
Kerry lives in a mansion on Beacon Hill on which he has borrowed $6 million to finance his campaign. A fire hydrant that prevented him and his wife from parking their SUV in front of their tony digs was removed by the city of Boston at his behest.
The Kerrys ski at a spa the widow Heinz owns in Aspen, and they summer on Nantucket in a sprawling seaside "cottage" on Hurlbert Avenue, which is so well-appointed that at a recent fund-raiser, they imported porta-toilets onto the front lawn so the donors wouldn't use the inside bathrooms. (They later claimed the decision was made on septic, not social, considerations).
It's a wonderful life these days for John Kerry. He sails Nantucket Sound in "the Scaramouche," a 42-foot Hinckley powerboat. Martha Stewart has a similar boat; the no-frills model reportedly starts at $695,000. Sen. Kerry bought it new, for cash.
Every Tuesday night, the local politicians here that Kerry elbowed out of his way on his march to the top watch, fascinated, as he claims victory in more primaries and denounces the special interests, the "millionaires" and "the overprivileged."
"His initials are JFK," longtime state Senate President William M. Bulger used to muse on St. Patrick's Day, "Just for Kerry. He's only Irish every sixth year." And now it turns out that he's not Irish at all.
But in the parochial world of Bay State politics, he was never really seen as Irish, even when he was claiming to be (although now, of course, he says that any references to his alleged Hibernian heritage were mistakenly put into the Congressional Record by an aide who apparently didn't know that on his paternal side he is, in fact, part-Jewish).
Kerry is, in fact, a Brahmin - his mother was a Forbes, from one of Massachusetts' oldest WASP families. The ancestor who wed Ralph Waldo Emerson's daughter was marrying down.
At the risk of engaging in ethnic stereotyping, Yankees have a reputation for, shall we say, frugality. And Kerry tosses around quarters like they were manhole covers. In 1993, for instance, living on a senator's salary of about $100,000, he managed to give a total of $135 to charity.
Yet that same year, he was somehow able to scrape together $8,600 for a brand-new, imported Italian motorcycle, a Ducati Paso 907 IE. He kept it for years, until he decided to run for president, at which time he traded it in for a Harley-Davidson like the one he rode onto "The Tonight Show" set a couple of months ago as Jay Leno applauded his fellow Bay Stater.
Of course, in 1993 he was between his first and second heiresses - a time he now calls "the wandering years," although an equally apt description might be "the freeloading years."
For some of the time, he was, for all practical purposes, homeless. His friends allowed him into a real-estate deal in which he flipped a condo for quick resale, netting a $21,000 profit on a cash investment of exactly nothing. For months he rode around in a new car supplied by a shady local Buick dealer. When the dealer's ties to a congressman who was later indicted for racketeering were exposed, Kerry quickly explained that the non-payment was a mere oversight, and wrote out a check.
In the Senate, his record of his constituent services has been lackluster, and most of his colleagues, despite their public support, are hard-pressed to list an accomplishment. Just last fall, a Boston TV reporter ambushed three congressmen with the question, name something John Kerry has accomplished in Congress. After a few nervous giggles, two could think of nothing, and a third mentioned a baseball field, and then misidentified Kerry as "Sen. Kennedy."
Many of his constituents see him in person only when he is cutting them in line - at an airport, a clam shack or the Registry of Motor Vehicles. One talk-show caller a few weeks back recalled standing behind a police barricade in 2002 as the Rolling Stones played the Orpheum Theater, a short limousine ride from Kerry's Louisburg Square mansion.
The caller, Jay, said he began heckling Kerry and his wife as they attempted to enter the theater. Finally, he said, the senator turned to him and asked him the eternal question.
"Do you know who I am?"
"Yeah," said Jay. "You're a gold-digger."
John Kerry. First he looks at the purse.
Howie Carr, a Boston Herald columnist and syndicated talk-radio host, has been covering John Kerry for 25 years.
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if its from drudge its most likely 99 percent pure lies.
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He looks like a horse.
Never trust a man who looks like a horse.
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Or a chimp. Never trust a man that looks like a chimp.
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Howie Carr is hilarious, he's pretty popular up here for putting politicians on the spot. I can't recall who the guy was...but someone was before a panel answering questions...Howie was in the audience, in directly behind the guy in the camera angle...it was a hoot to see the guy give some amazing answers and see Howie's reactions. Comedy gold.
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Kerry was recently tugging at the heart strings of the voting taxpayers vowing to close the loopholes that has seen large US companies (particularly re-insurers) move off-shore to places like Bermuda. He referred to these companies as "Benedict Arnolds".
I just read that he has accepted massive campaign donations from a company called AIG who have supported him after he helped them defeat a bill that revolved around Boston's "Big Dig" a few years ago.
AIG stands for "American Insurance Group" and they are one of the largest re-insurance companies in the world. They are also headquartered here in Bermuda.
Typical.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
if its from drudge its most likely 99 percent pure lies.
LOL!
You realize that Drudge gets all his news links from everywhere, AP, UPI, Rueters, BBC, NPR, etc.
So, I guess all those news services are lies too. :rofl
You say you're going to college? I'm guessing liberal arts, right?
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Getting your information from editorials is never a good idea ripsnort.
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There is a ggod site that proves that he rigged the twin towers with explosives and blew em up just as some airliners flew by so that Bush would later be blamed.
lazs
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^^^^^hot! links!!!!
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Getting your information from editorials is never a good idea ripsnort.
I've yet to see you disprove the original post.
Waiting...
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Jeezus Rip, you want him to track down the guy he cut in front of at the DMV? Is Kerry a Saint? He's a POLITICIAN, therefore Sainthood or anything remotely close is impossible. Did he cut a favorable condo deal? Maybe, but let's not start talking about stinky buisness deals or ol GWB will put him to shame. If you want to talk about campaign contributors GWB has the lead in shady contributions....prove I'm wrong (as you love to put it). Oh yeah, 1 other thing Sen. Kerry, even tho he's a rich boy, WENT TO VIETNAM AND DIDN'T MISS ANY DUTY, he was wounded rescuing another soldier and received the Silver Star, the Bronze Star with Combat V, three Purple Hearts, the Presidential Unit Citation for Extraordinary Heroism, the National Defense Service Medal, the Vietnam Service Medal, three Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medals, and the Combat Action Ribbon. I hear GWB received a Senate Campaign Button during his service to our nation.
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so Kerry is a 'decorated wounded combat veteran'. well so was Dole, you remember Dole don't you? Dole ran for president and you liberals did not vote for that 'decorated wounded combat veteran', so why should we vote for Kerry?
how does being a 'decorated wounded combat veteran' make you a good president?
U.S. Grant was one of the best generals the USA ever had and one of the worst presidents the USA ever had.
BTW, Hitler was also a 'decorated wounded combat veteran' of WW1
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(http://www.komvux.varmdo.se/jh/beethoven/ketchup.jpg)
and she wears the pants in the family, think of Hillary with mo money :)
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Where was Clinton during Vietnam?
I'm trying to remeber.
Didnt he go into ROTC after he got his draft notice, and then wormed his way out of ROTC when the draft lottery gave better odds to avoid the quagmire?
Why were'nt the libs and lefties screaming about military service when ol' Bill was in office? And today these very same tree-huggers can't stop talking about GWB's military antics.
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No. He bought a trip to oxford. Err, one of those really "important" british colleges.
Grant wasn't a good general either. He was just famous.
Now, Meade was a good general, and did a lot of the work.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
He looks like a horse.
Never trust a man who looks like a horse.
He looks like Lurch. You can trust Lurch.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Where was Clinton during Vietnam?
(http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~powellm/basil.gif)
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OMG GWB isn't the only spoiled rich kid in Skull & Bones. I'm shocked!
And yeah, nothing like starting out an editorial with hearsay.
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So far as I can read he never groped anyone..so what's your point?
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John Kerry is only a war vetran when it's convenient for him. He hung out with the same group in the 60's/70's that spat on US serviceman returning from veitnam and calling them baby killers/faciest. The fact that he is all gung ho about being a combat vet now makes him even more scum in my book. Not saying that he didnt do his time but when you hang out with flag burners afterwords you discredit your own uniform.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
John Kerry is only a war vetran when it's convenient for him. He hung out with the same group in the 60's/70's that spat on US serviceman returning from veitnam and calling them baby killers/faciest. The fact that he is all gung ho about being a combat vet now makes him even more scum in my book. Not saying that he didnt do his time but when you hang out with flag burners afterwords you discredit your own uniform.
do you even read gunslinger? He is a vet that helped protest and bring about the end of the war.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
do you even read gunslinger? He is a vet that helped protest and bring about the end of the war.
the protesters did not "end the war" they ended US support for south vietnam, then 2 years later north vietnam "ended the war"
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So you still believe we were doing the right thing by being there john?
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puttin down a dude with multiple bronze stars and the silver star.
yea he is anti soldier. cept for the ones he risked his life to save under fire. above and beyond the call of duty. they teach you that logic in the corps? criticise his politics shure but you spouting fighting words with no evidence at all.
find a quote of him putting down veterans. cause i cant.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
do you even read gunslinger? He is a vet that helped protest and bring about the end of the war.
Yes guilty by association. Libs want to burn bush for his oil ties well I dont like kerry cause of his hippy ties!
He came home and because it was a convenient political stance became a war protester.
He hung out with the same people that:
burn the flag
throw their medals over the lawn of the white house (wich he said he only threw his ribbons....if your gonna do somthing mr sen. MEAN IT)
Called my fellow servicemen "baby killers" and "facists"
spit on GIs returning from the war
by all means he is a decorated vetran but to me it seems that only matters when it is convient. Librals blast bush for his service record but looked the other way for clinton. CONVEINENCE!!!
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He came home and was disgusted with what he saw over there. That is the reason why he did what he did. The man lost all his early elections because of his stance on the war.
And you know what, alot of your fellow GI's were spitting on their fellow GI's because they were babykillers and facists. History shows that we did alot of bad things while over there fighting to keep a people oppressed.
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and clinton never volunteered and then didnt show up. He used the other out at the time. school.
most people in politics managed to get out of service in vietnam.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
He came home and was disgusted with what he saw over there. That is the reason why he did what he did. The man lost all his early elections because of his stance on the war.
And you know what, alot of your fellow GI's were spitting on their fellow GI's because they were babykillers and facists. History shows that we did alot of bad things while over there fighting to keep a people oppressed.
You just proved my point. GIs spitting on other GIs for doing the same thing that they did. Not all GIs in nam were combat vets....not all GIs in nam put boot heels through baby's skulls to save bullets....in fact MOST GIs NEVER DID THESE THINGS
But war protesters marching to the comunist flag of the army that DID DO most of these things and calling their fellow citizens FACISTS!!!!!!!.....OH THE IRONY IT KILLS ME!
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
So you still believe we were doing the right thing by being there john?
You think PRVN should have been allowed to invade RVN unopposed?
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We should have helped ho chi minh when he came to us for help.
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Gunslinger, I think you have just been fed the Anti-Kerry spin. His anti-war protests were to stop the killing of his fellow americans. Have you heard the testimony he gave before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971? "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" He is much more a Patriot than a Hippie.
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damn....I had no idea that John "Effing" Kerry was a Vietnam Vet. First I'd heard of it....
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Please dont make fun of Kerry. He was grieviously wounded in the foot by a friendly fire incident with his own rifle. He then courageously dragged his foot to a rear area hospital then onto a plane back to the states.
NEVAR FORGET!!!
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Originally posted by Crapgame
damn....I had no idea that John "Effing" Kerry was a Vietnam Vet. First I'd heard of it....
Indeed he is. In fact he was the only US soldier to serve who never committed any attrocities.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
do you even read gunslinger? He is a vet that helped protest and bring about the end of the war.
Isn't youth a wonderful thing....kinda blissful:)
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
puttin down a dude with multiple bronze stars and the silver star.
yea he is anti soldier. cept for the ones he risked his life to save under fire. above and beyond the call of duty. they teach you that logic in the corps? criticise his politics shure but you spouting fighting words with no evidence at all.
find a quote of him putting down veterans. cause i cant.
Is this the guy you admire?
At a time of few antiwar protests, Kerry had during a class speech at graduation questioned the wisdom of militarily engaging the North Vietnamese. But he knew the political value of military service. After being graduated from Yale in 1966 following years at prestigious New England and European boarding schools, Kerry did not delay or avoid service in Vietnam. Soon he commanded a patrol boat similar to that of John F. Kennedy, the mother of all JFKs, whose political career he sought to emulate. After a few months he requested and received a transfer out of Southeast Asia to become an aide to an admiral in New York, and then maneuvered an early honorable discharge to run for Congress. But the district he picked was very liberal indeed, and he soon found it was impossible to get to the left of Robert Drinan, a Jesuit priest from Boston College Law School, and dropped out of the contest.
Kerry's first national media attention - and the first in which the epithet "phony" was directed against him - came on April 22, 1971, when he testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations as part of a carefully orchestrated buildup to an antiwar protest in Washington. The object was publicity, and a nationwide storm developed around this tall young man still in his 20s. He spoke as a member of an antiwar group called the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), some of whom felt kinship with Communist China's Chairman Mao. Testifying eloquently against the war and U.S. bombings using a speech prepared by Bobby Kennedy speechwriter Adam Walinsky, Kerry slipped away from the manuscript to add rhetorical bombs of his own design, saying he had heard U.S. soldiers relate how they had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war." Kerry also was quoted during this period as saying, "War crimes in Vietnam are the rule, not the exception." He spoke on television of "crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."
Many veterans were outraged at these charges of American war crimes, which he later acknowledged he personally never saw, and which it developed had been spun out of the mouths of young Maoists. Michael Bernique, who served with Kerry as a swift-boat skipper, reportedly said, "I think there was a point in time when John was making it up fast and quick. I think he was saying whatever he needed to say."
War veteran John O'Neill, who publicly debated Kerry at this time, has been reported as saying Kerry's statements about war crimes were irresponsible, wrong, immoral and a "disservice to all the people that were there. ... The war didn't change [Kerry]. I think he was a guy driven tremendously by ambition. I think he was that way before he went and is that way today."
With his testimony before the committee, Kerry was in the eye of a hurricane, providing visibility calculated to propel a political career in Eastern Massachusetts, a whirlpool of antiwar activism so powerful that in 1972 it was the only state to vote for antiwar candidate George McGovern. Years later, local journalists laugh, Boston's pol Billy Bulger gave Kerry the nickname "live shot" for his strenuous efforts to appear on the nightly news.
But did Kerry's private beliefs about the Vietnam War match his public statements of opposition? Was it all a fraud to ride the antiwar movement and gain media attention? President Richard Nixon's staff certainly thought Kerry was a phony. According to a secretly recorded White House conversation on April 28, 1971, Nixon spoke on the phone with his counsel, Charles Colson. Consider:
"This fellow Kerry that they had on last week," says Colson about a Kerry TV appearance, "he turns out to be quite a phony."
"Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?" says Nixon.
"Yes," says Colson, and mentions that in the antiwar demonstrations held that weekend Kerry stayed at the home of a Georgetown socialite while other protesters slept on The Mall. "He's politically ambitious and just looking for an issue. Yeah. He came back [from Vietnam] a hawk and became a dove when he saw the political opportunities."
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Wow Rude, Chairman Mao? What Ultra-Right Wing propaganda manual did you pull that from?:rolleyes:
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President Richard Nixon's staff certainly thought Kerry was a phony.
Heheheh that's rich. Richard Nixon and his administration... the highest point of morality we could aspire to... :rofl
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One thing though about that time frame and some recents events, what is an ex air force jock doing landing a heavy radar plane on a carrier, an who was cia director during vietnam ?? hmmm.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Gunslinger, I think you have just been fed the Anti-Kerry spin. His anti-war protests were to stop the killing of his fellow americans. Have you heard the testimony he gave before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971? "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" He is much more a Patriot than a Hippie.
I am not saying he's a flag burner......I never said that....I said he ASSOCIATED himself with flag burners. If it would have got him votes back in the 70s he would have posed happily with jane fonda and then today denied that he did in fact have a smile on his face. I think this guy is scum. Dont think I'm a right wing brain washed robot....I think GWB is less scum than this guy so he gets my vote.
Librals want to blast bush for his questionable military service than I think kerry deservs the same thing.
Librals want to blast bush for his oil ties. Well I blast kerry for his flag burning protest ties.
Guilty by association
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I am not saying he's a flag burner......I never said that....I said he ASSOCIATED himself with flag burners.
Librals want to blast bush for his oil ties. Well I blast kerry for his flag burning protest ties.
Guilty by association
At what protest did he burn a flag? Taking this stance is like saying GWB is a cross dresser because J. Edgar Hoover was. It just doesn't make sense. 6 degrees of Seperation?
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The only thing that should be a concern here is his voting record. That's going to tell you more than anything that may or may not have happened 30 years ago when he came home.
Look it up, it's a matter of public record.
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Kerry is fantastic on Defense!!!!
"The dossier on Kerry also includes a 1995 proposal to cut intelligence funding by $300 million for the next five years and a 1994 proposal to cut $1 billion from the program that coordinates counterterrorism activities.
The Boston Globe observed last year that in 1984, Kerry said he would cancel the B-1 bomber and the B-2 stealth bomber; the Apache helicopter; the Patriot missile; F-15, F-14 and Harrier jets; and the Aegis air-defense cruiser.
The Globe also reported that he advocated cuts in other systems, including the Abrams tank, Bradley fighting vehicle and Tomahawk missile, all critical to U.S. military success in Afghanistan and Iraq. "
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-1_30_04_MK.html
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The bottom line is he looks like horse....and you should never trust a man who looks like a horse
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Originally posted by rpm371
At what protest did he burn a flag? Taking this stance is like saying GWB is a cross dresser because J. Edgar Hoover was. It just doesn't make sense. 6 degrees of Seperation?
DUDE CANT YOU READ....I SAID HE ASSOCIATED HIMSELF WITH.....WHAT PART OF THAT STATEMENT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
PS it does makes sense. Librals do it all the time
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Originally posted by lazs2
There is a ggod site that proves that he rigged the twin towers with explosives and blew em up just as some airliners flew by so that Bush would later be blamed.
lazs
lol lazs
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and he associated himself with killers when he joined the military.
people outside the corps do not generaly hold the flag to be the living enbodyment of the u.s.a. since its not. its just a simbol the accusation that he was in a group that burned flags (still a unproven thing) would be pointless he was against the war for good reasons and he fought it and HE DIDNT BURN FLAGS.
and the accusation of flag burning is still uncited.
ok ill give ya nixon didnt like him. but as was said befor that is a good thing. nixon was a crook.
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Gun, you don't understand where I'm coming from. You say Kerry is a Flag Burning Hippie because he protested against the war. Hippies protested the war. Flags were burned at a protest by Hippies (still want to know at what protest). Therefore, Kerry is a flag burning Hippie.
Following this same line of logic, You are a communist. Why?
You are a Vet. Audie Murphy was the most decorated soldier in WW2 and won the Congressional Medal of Honor. Audie Murphy made films in Hollywood. At that time Congress procecuted subversive Communists working in Hollywood. Therefore, you are a Communist.
Now do you see what a dumb arguement that is?
I am pro-military. I am against unnessessary war. I am a Vet. I think Kerry has the same beliefs. If Jane Fonda jumps up on stage with him or he starts spitting on soldiers or burns a flag, then my opinion will change. But, this is America everyone has their freedom to choose. I don't think I'll ever make you to change your vote, I just want you to understand what is fact and what is spin. God bless our troops and God bless America.
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This could be the most pointless exchange I've ever seen on any BBS.
John Kerry fought against the war for good reason...
It was the most effective way to advance his political career.
Saying he fought against the war because he believed it was wrong is like saying he married the Heinz Heiress because he loved her.
The man is an opportunist. How else do you explain 2 marriages to 2 different women with a combined net worth of over $300 BILLION?
And can someone explain to me how I'm going to sleep at night while a guy who's tried to cut every major defense program, AND THE CIA is standing on the wall?
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Originally posted by rpm371
Gun, you don't understand where I'm coming from. You say Kerry is a Flag Burning Hippie because he protested against the war. Hippies protested the war. Flags were burned at a protest by Hippies (still want to know at what protest). Therefore, Kerry is a flag burning Hippie.
I never said kerry was a flag burning hippie NEVER. I said he associated himself. ASSOCIATED HIMSELF. The values of those people that burned the flag in the 60s are deeply engraved in the american libral of today. Alot of the marches that he attended were in fact organized by communist. Its a big difference between saying audi murphy is an actor and is now a communits
Vrs.
Kerry actuallly marched with them. The only reason he did this was to further his own political carreer.
Muckmaw aslo says it best.
His voting record is public and he voted against most of the weapons systems that Americans depend on today!!!!!
Dont get me wrong I'm not saying GWB is perfect. Alot of librals say he doesnt care and caves to big business/big oil because of his backround and past ties. That said the same logic should be applied to kerry, and I dont like what I see
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If John Kerry sells his schlong to rich women with deep pockets...
Will he sell his country to rich lobbyists with fat check books?
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wow, so he marrys a rich girl and now you guys make it into prostitution. And that she is more controlling then Mrs Clinton. Your fear of strong women must go hand in hand with your need to drive a big truck and purchase viagra.
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I do have to say, there was much talk of how Bush Jr. was a man of privilege prior to the 2000 election. Same game... different teams.