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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Blammo on February 05, 2004, 12:01:13 PM
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Could I get some people to define, "stealing a kill" for me? I am not sure what people in general consider stealing a kill and having been accused of it on open channel last night I would like to know.
Just a note: I don't believe there is such a thing as stealing a kill in the main arena, but maybe I am just naive.
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It would be when you get the kill on an airplane they either shot at and hit, shot at and missed, thought about shooting at, saw off in the distance or was in the MA at the same time they were.
Glad to be of help.
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its pretty simple blammo:
imagine you fly your trusty C202 and then a enemy spit come
after a good long fight you mannage to clip the spit wing of.
suddenly from no where a countrymate n1k appears and dive on the allready dead spit then shoot him and the spit blows in mid air
you only get an assist.
THAT is kill was stolen from you :o
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Fly near SlapShot, when you both get back to the field and he lands 8 kills and you land 8 assists, you'll have a good idea.:D
Friggn guy is half blind, flys a plane that butterflys are passing and still hits more than I see. :D
Sorry Slap I couldn't resists:D
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LOL ive been accused of it once or twice, 1st time in the MA, a fellow countrymen had hit the cons radiator, so the con started running away, and i know the ally couldnt catch him so i dove down and killed him and got called a kill stealer.
Second time was in a special event, where some of the JB's started screaming at me on vox in a furball where i apparently wasnt invited to come and steal their squaddies kills... It's war all is fair, just squelch em and move on Blammo :)
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suddenly from no where a countrymate n1k appears and dive on the allready dead spit then shoot him and the spit blows in mid air
You fly with urbMaw too. :D
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No such thing....
However many pilots exibit bad form...often failing to allow cripples to live long enough for you to catch them and kill them...or even worse finishing those who you have elected to only wound...after all it is a game and sportsmanship dictates a valient foe should have a second chance.
Realistically it's simple...if you see it in front of you...shoot it.
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It use to piss me off too ...
Fight a guy ... shoot his wing off and as he slowly decends toward Mother Earth, you can see at least 3 or more friendlys shooting at the dead carcass hoping to get the plane to blow up so they get the kill.
Now I look down, and after they have spent mucho ammo trying and sometimes succeeding in stealing the kill, they are low and slow and are bait for the enemy. I then watch them, with delight, get killed and then I drop and kill the enemy ... the key word here is bait ... hehehe.
If you feel as tho you need to kill a plane with no wings, on fire, and headed toward terra firma ... go for it ... there are many more kills just waiting to happen.
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Originally posted by mars01
Fly near SlapShot, when you both get back to the field and he lands 8 kills and you land 8 assists, you'll have a good idea.:D
Friggn guy is half blind, flys a plane that butterflys are passing and still hits more than I see. :D
Sorry Slap I couldn't resists:D
Thats what I live for !!! ... :D
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This is kill stealing (http://www.dbstaines.com/images/MINIDKS2.zip).
That should clear things up for you.
MiniD
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Kill stealing? No such thing. It is merely overzealous help :D.
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Good rule of thumb I always tell newbies...If the enemy is smoking shoot away, if it's missing it's tail or a wing, leave it alone. Can't tell you the number of times I've seen folks chase wingless/tail-less wrecks to deck firing away. :mad:
Zazen
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Kill stealing? No such thing. It is merely overzealous help :D.
I don't care mach about it except when I am in a 202 or spit1. Maybe they should disable kill shooter when you fly those planes :D
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Its only my Opinion...But
It's very Easy to answer this question.
IF you think there is no such thing. Then YOU most likely are a "Kill Stealer."
Blammo
"Just a note: I don't believe there is such a thing as stealing a kill in the main arena, but maybe I am just naive."
(Kill Stealer) . porlly never intended to pose a question. Just lookin for moral support. :D Foot note: Conclusion drawn in part from the Posters Avator. ;)
Toad
"It would be when you get the kill on an airplane they either shot at and hit, shot at and missed, thought about shooting at, saw off in the distance or was in the MA at the same time they were."
(Kill Stealer) .
WldThing
"LOL ive been accused of it once or twice, 1st time in the MA, a fellow countrymen had hit the cons radiator, so the con started running away, and i know the ally couldnt catch him so i dove down and killed him and got called a kill stealer."
Second time was in a special event, where some of the JB's started screaming at me on vox in a furball where i apparently wasnt invited to come and steal their squaddies kills..."
(Kill Stealer) .
WldThing
"It's war all is fair, just squelch em and move on Blammo"
(Doesn't Giva Rats Butt if anyone likes it either) :D
humble
"No such thing....
However many pilots exibit bad form...often failing to allow cripples to live long enough for you to catch them and kill them...or even worse finishing those who you have elected to only wound...after all it is a game and sportsmanship dictates a valient foe should have a second chance.
Realistically it's simple...if you see it in front of you...shoot it."
(Closet Kill Stealer/ Kinda) :D)
SlapShot
"It use to piss me off too ...
Fight a guy ... shoot his wing off and as he slowly decends toward Mother Earth, you can see at least 3 or more friendlys shooting at the dead carcass hoping to get the plane to blow up so they get the kill.
Now I look down, and after they have spent mucho ammo trying and sometimes succeeding in stealing the kill, they are low and slow and are bait for the enemy. I then watch them, with delight, get killed and then I drop and kill the enemy ... the key word here is bait ... hehehe.
If you feel as tho you need to kill a plane with no wings, on fire, and headed toward terra firma ... go for it ... there are many more kills just waiting to happen."
(Fishing season never closes for this fisherman. "Bait is the key Word Here") Better look up and see from whose Hook you are dangling. Burning/spinning NME Plane or not! ;)
Mini D
"This is Kill Stealing
That should clear things up for you.
MiniD"
(Most definitely NOT a Closet KILL Stealer) :rofl
Zazen13
"Good rule of thumb I always tell newbies...If the enemy is smoking shoot away, if it's missing it's tail or a wing, leave it alone. Can't tell you the number of times I've seen folks chase wingless/tail-less wrecks to deck firing away"
(Advises newbies fairly) :aok
A few hints
If you want to be a Gamey Gamer. Steal away. God knows that many are doing it. I for one never intentionally steal a kill. In fact i have rarely done it on accident. :)
Its a conscious effort. Quite simple to NOT participate, if you care.
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If you want to be a Gamey Gamer. Steal away. God knows that many are doing it. I for one never intentionally steal a kill. In fact i have rarely done it on accident.
Its a conscious effort. Quite simple to NOT participate, if you care.
Im sorry Mugz, i wont steal another kill eva! Id hate to be classified as a gamey gamer, cause you know, it might hurt my feelings and all.
FYI what i said is true, if my ammo penetrates the plane before your lead gets there, its all fair in my book.. Hence, if your ammo gets there before mine, good work m8, i wont moan and whine, you stole my kill, since i know on the horizon there will be 20 more..
If Levi and me are flying together in a target rich enviroment, there is no such thing as "kill stealing" the more that is brought down the better. Who ever has their guns on the con shoots, whether its at the same time or not..
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I'd look at it as kill stealing vs kill chasing...I'm not ever gonna give up alt or E to chase after cripple...and in most rides I'm not gonna waste ammo on something thats obviously damaged...but I'm not gonna let anything that can hurt me live if I can help it...fly long enough and that burning spitty you blew by will light you up sometime....so....if it's in front of me...it gets a love tap or two...if it's fluttering down from above...it gets a love tap but if it's below me...it stays below me.
The counter to this kill stealer crap is all the "dead" planes that keep on going...if I had a nickle for every "nikki down" over vox (that wasnt) I'd play for free...if I had a dollar for everybody those dead nikki's killed I'd have a new puter:)....so....if your in doubt...go ahead and blaze away.
As a final note....we never talk bout the flip side...all those times your tooling home and some poor SOB starts whinning he just bounced a pony (or other ride) and just got an assist. My "record" for that is 4 in one hop...it all goes around.
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Originally posted by WldThing
Im sorry Mugz, i wont steal another kill eva! Id hate to be classified as a gamey gamer, cause you know, it might hurt my feelings and all.
FYI what i said is true, if my ammo penetrates the plane before your lead gets there, its all fair in my book.. Hence, if your ammo gets there before mine, good work m8, i wont moan and whine, you stole my kill, since i know on the horizon there will be 20 more..
If Levi and me are flying together in a target rich enviroment, there is no such thing as "kill stealing" the more that is brought down the better. Who ever has their guns on the con shoots, whether its at the same time or not..
Salute ;)
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Originally posted by Flyboy
you only get an assist.
And why should you care?
You know you got the kill. You know that the guy who used up his ammo shooting up the wreck is a dweeb.
So why should you care?
Unless, of course, you are a score person....
- oldman
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Its only my Opinion...But
It's very Easy to answer this question.
IF you think there is no such thing. Then YOU most likely are a "Kill Stealer."
Blammo
"Just a note: I don't believe there is such a thing as stealing a kill in the main arena, but maybe I am just naive."
(Kill Stealer) . porlly never intended to pose a question. Just lookin for moral support. :D Foot note: Conclusion drawn in part from the Posters Avator. ;)
Not at all. Like I said, I don't believe their can be such a thing as "stealing a kill", outside of the examples given where an AC is obviously dead. I just wanted to get a feel for what other AH pilots think on the subject. I would not consider myself a kill stealer and neither would I call anyone that finished off a bandit I was working on a kill stealer. A kill for our side is a kill for our side. If someone gets the bad guy before me, he probably saved me from embarrassing myself by making a mistake and getting shotdown.:aok
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ahhh an art to excel at in your quest for perkage
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If the first film wasn't clear, this film (http://www.dbstaines.com/images/MINIDKS.zip) should help point out exactly what a kill steal is.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Blammo
Not at all. Like I said, I don't believe their can be such a thing as "stealing a kill", outside of the examples given where an AC is obviously dead. I just wanted to get a feel for what other AH pilots think on the subject. I would not consider myself a kill stealer and neither would I call anyone that finished off a bandit I was working on a kill stealer. A kill for our side is a kill for our side. If someone gets the bad guy before me, he probably saved me from embarrassing myself by making a mistake and getting shotdown.:aok
I thought about this some, and got an idea. I doubt it would be terribly hard to program as damage to specific plane parts is already tracked.
How about the person who critically damages a plane, by that I mean renders it non-viable (ie: shoots off an entire wing or tail section, or gets it flaming, not just smoking fuel or oil, flaming planes explode after X seconds), gets the kill regardless of raw damage done. This would prevent the most offensive form of kill stealing, the flaming wreck shooters.
Imagine if in real life a person shot the tail or wing off an enemy plane only to have one of his squadmates chase it as it fluttered down to deck then claimed the kill during mission de-briefing. There'd be some serious problems ;)
Zazen
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My feelings are SOOOOOOOO hurt.
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I once was able to land and cut the insignia off of a plane my wingman shot down in order to use it as evidence to the CO that I got the kill. Unfortunately I was captured and it was used as evidence against me. I had to sit on the "group W" bench for the rest of the war.
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Not that anyone asked or cares but my opinion is,
#1. No one "owns" any kills. I have flown in arena quite alot
and have never seen "This airplane is the personal Bi'otch
of (pilot name), do not shoot me" written on the side of any
airplane.
#2. If you want a kill, shoot first and keep shooting until he
explodes. The fact that you wish to maximize your ammo
load by leaving a plane smoking and damaged does not
mean that the aircraft is no longer a threat to your fellow
countrymen.
If I had a Snickers Bar for everytime I was shot up by a
"Dead" enemy while the "Killer" followed the enemy
waiting for him to die I would be even fatter than I am now!.
I do agree however that the Kill/Assist threshold modeling could
use some work in that once an aircraft is no longer capable of
controlled flight any further shooting would not reward someone
for shooting a flaming meteor but I still think open season on a
flying cripple.
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Just call "dibs" on the range channel. Anybody else who kills the plane after that point officially steals the kill.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Gunslngr
If I had a Snickers Bar for everytime I was shot up by a
"Dead" enemy while the "Killer" followed the enemy
waiting for him to die I would be even fatter than I am now!.
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Originally posted by Humble
The counter to this kill stealer crap is all the "dead" planes that keep on going...if I had a nickle for every "nikki down" over vox (that wasnt) I'd play for free...if I had a dollar for everybody those dead nikki's killed I'd have a new puter....so....if your in doubt...go ahead and blaze away. !.
And if i had Gunslngr's snikers bar and Humbles $1.05 for everytime a "Kill Stealer" found an excuse to justify KillStealing. Id be a very FAT man at the Movie Theater every week. :D :rofl
QUOTE]Originally posted by Gunslngr
I do agree however that the Kill/Assist threshold modeling could
use some work in that once an aircraft is no longer capable of
controlled flight any further shooting would not reward someone
for shooting a flaming meteor but I still think open season on a
flying cripple. [/QUOTE]
Now we are getting somewhere. The simple fact is this. Its ALL HTC's fault. If they hadn't Modeled the "assist" there would be Much less occurance of the so called "KILL STEALING" discussion.
Likewise the Proxy Kill modeling is a joke too. The only valid reason it exist is to prevent ppl from just slammimg their plane into the ground when they know they are beat. NOT WORKING!!!
Its all a big Joke, and as one of our own Aces has stated in his bbs signiture. " Life is a joke and you/WE are the punch line. :rofl
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What is wrong with you people? A plane with a missing tail or with only one wing, is not a threat to anyone. (Radiator damage is diferent. LA7 has a long time before its engine shuts down due to radiator or oil damage)
If you want to shoot a dead plane go ahead. Just don;t make any excuses about it.
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Just updating my rule book, can you give me a hand?
Please order HO, Shoot-Chuting and Kill Stealing from most to least serious in the Pantheon of Cyberspace Gaming AH Evil Criminal deeds.
If those are REALLY bad, should I only use one of my many practice/shades accounts to do it?
Thanks!
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Turn off killshooter, have it as an option you can enable for missions. Give a perk penalty for killin your own country... wait, scratch that... I'd be in the negative terratory asap. :D
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Originally posted by Toad
Just updating my rule book, can you give me a hand?
Please order HO, Shoot-Chuting and Kill Stealing from most to least serious in the Pantheon of Cyberspace Gaming AH Evil Criminal deeds.
If those are REALLY bad, should I only use one of my many practice/shades accounts to do it?
Thanks!
Its all on the same latitude.
And you should feel free to use ALL of you accounts to do with them as you wish.
I think we are all adults here? I think we all understand the BBS is nothing more than a Support group. It is here that you come in search of others that feel the same as you do about game issues. The bbs is a place where you go when you have been accused of a wrong and would like to find others that have been accused of the same offenses. If you find enough..........Then PRESTO!!! Your right.
:D
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OK, good example: last night I am in the MA and whirling around chasing this P-38. He was smoking and spinning towards the ground after I (and I assume some of my countrymen) had put several round into him. Anyway, I am following him down and putting a few more rounds into him for good measure and someone starts squawkin on vox to "leave him alone, he's dead" and harpin about their kill being stolen.
A few points:
1) I was in the mix with the P-38 from the moment he dove in on the field, but I did not complain when others tried to help bring him down.
2) I had just been shot down 15 minutes earlier by a supposed dead plane and had determined at that point to always make sure.
3) When the guy finally impacted, I got the kill anyway, so all the whining was stupid to start with.
4) As far as I could tell I was the first guy to land rounds on that P-38 and was the first to generate visible damage (smoke).
(For furture reference) If you think I intentially stole a kill, talk to me on a private channel first. If you don't like my attitude at that point, fine, blab all over open channel. Althought, blabbing in open probably just means your making excuses for your lack of success in air-to-air combat OR your are a points/rank monkey.
Anyway, that's the sort of thing I am talking about. I thought the point was for a country to work together to get the bad guys. I guess for some people, it isn't.
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Originally posted by Toad
Just updating my rule book, can you give me a hand?
Please order HO, Shoot-Chuting and Kill Stealing from most to least serious in the Pantheon of Cyberspace Gaming AH Evil Criminal deeds.
Thanks!
Thats just the start of it! you forgot
Alt-monkeying, Milk Running, Land grabbing, Vulching, spawn
camping, Gang banging, dweebing, CV Hiding, Warp on commanding, Porking, Vulch stealing, Gooney-dweebing, Bailing, Gooney-HOing, Spawn mountain climbing, Chute-stealing, Augering Porkers, Alt-running, Alt-F4 ing, Spawn roping, gang doping, Team work, courtesy, having fun, Spying, side-switching, Death while typing, Alt porking, Furball camping, Boom and zooming, I still live in my parents house/basement and have no life, therefore I must abuse you on channel one -ING, :rolleyes:
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Actually, I come here to be entertained. With threads like this one and the beautiful "my dog's practice account" one...... I'm almost never disappointed.
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The ultimate has to be shooting up an AC obviously fluttering down to its death already.............
goob a has brought about the ultimate demise by a precision shot to the tail.
goob b then proceeds to chase it down not satisfied until this silly explosion takes place.
When I see a long line of ac chasing a lone enemy I often wonder what (or if) the ones at the back are thinking.
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Originally posted by Mini D
This is kill stealing (http://www.dbstaines.com/images/MINIDKS2.zip).
That should clear things up for you.
MiniD
That was pretty sad man...You have to resort to shooting down a plane missing half a wing and on fire?..Man u must orgasm at the site of a kill steal.
What next?..You like killing chutes too?..You POS!
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I for one have never stolen a kill. On the other had, it's only happened to me about 2 or 3 times. It does piss me off, but the more I realize that they are watermelon sticks and the thought in fact passes.
Karaya
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I for one have never stolen a kill. On the other had, it's only happened to me about 2 or 3 times. It does piss me off, but the more I realize that they are watermelon sticks, then the thought in fact, passes.
Karaya
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If I see a fellow countryman in a 1 vs.1 fight with no one else in the area(friendly or hostile), I'll usually give them a call on the vox and ask them if they need help. If they say no, then I'll go on my way. Also, there are times when you don't have to ask. Case in point. I'm headed to an enemy base when I see a friendly P-38 with one engine smoking being chased by two Nikis. I still let the friendly know I was coming down to help, but probably not necessary as you can see they're in a bind.
Now if it were Shane and he was being chased by a dozen enemies, I'd just keep on flying.
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The only time I've been called a kill stealer is when someone is behind me shooting over my shoulder, so I pop a couple of 30mm rounds into the target and get the kill.
Then after listening to them cry on country channel about stealing their kill, I find myself wishing I would have pulled up into the stream of bullets first.
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good post. why do some people find it necessary to in on a plane that has a freindly on its 6, i mean 300 off its 6 not >1k out.
i prefer to get in close, within 300 of nme before firing, mebbe that my problem. regardless, ive been killshot and assist ridden because of this, frustrating i guess. ok im done. thank you for reading my venting. sigh
~S~
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If someone "steals" your kill.......... practice your gunnery.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Kill stealing? No such thing. It is merely overzealous help :D.
Younguns you listen to ole NB. He understands kill stealing inside and out:)
;)