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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Sakai on February 06, 2004, 07:42:14 AM
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Is kind of not kosher, especially in Tiffies, 190s, etc. So here is a list of the planes one should reasonably be allowed to vultch whilst tooling around in the CT and not be called a swollen turkey tit over:
Val
Stuka
Ju88 (manning only the pilot's forward gun).
Which means that we need an Allied Vultching ride modeled. I'd ask for the Gloster Gladiator.
Sakai
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I will vulch at any opportunity and do not hide that fact. You are a target from the time you spawn until you .ef. The vulchee is the responsible party, not the vulcher. If you know I am circleing your base in a Tiffie and you up and get vulched, who's fault is that? Should I let a 109 climb until it has 2k alt more than me before I engage? The vast majority of my keels are not vulches, but even if they were I would not be ashamed, a keel is a keel.
BTW, I fly both sides too Sakai, and I vulch both, I dont play favorites. Hungary I flew nothing but LW, BoB I flew some of both but mostly Allied (you gotta love that Tiffie).
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Originally posted by Grits
I will vulch at any opportunity and do not hide that fact. You are a target from the time you spawn until you .ef. The vulchee is the responsible party, not the vulcher. If you know I am circleing your base in a Tiffie and you up and get vulched, who's fault is that? Should I let a 109 climb until it has 2k alt more than me before I engage? The vast majority of my keels are not vulches, but even if they were I would not be ashamed, a keel is a keel.
BTW, I fly both sides too Sakai, and I vulch both, I dont play favorites. Hungary I flew nothing but LW, BoB I flew some of both but mostly Allied (you gotta love that Tiffie).
And, the first swollen turkey tit winner is . . . . . .
Well, see you're taking advantage of previously established decorum and you are rationalizing your behavior. Always indications of moral terpitude.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
And, the first swollen turkey tit winner is . . . . . .
Well, see you're taking advantage of previously established decorum and you are rationalizing your behavior. Always indications of moral terpitude.
Sakai
Yeah ... the sky is truly falling in the CT and it's all the silly allied player's fault. I really didn't think you needed to kiss up to JG3 this hard to get offered a slot. ;) :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
Yeah ... the sky is truly falling in the CT and it's all the silly allied player's fault. I really didn't think you needed to kiss up to JG3 this hard to get offered a slot. ;) :aok
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Arlo, you know I don't care about anyone's squad, you really need to lighten up. I think any person who could read, spell, and cogitate semi-amubulatorily could get the point of my post. That two guys snapped out so fast and stupidly indicates that yes, there is something wrong in CT. I mean, I think vultching in Stukas is fine. Any craft like that has to vultch. For example, when I blew your 109 away in the Shturmi? You were tied up with other guys. Hardly fair, but hey, how else ya gonna get kills in an IL-2? Now, if you are up in a 190 or Tiffie, one has options that transcend playing to the lowest common denominator (that would be texans and republicans). That is why anyone who could read would see that I said "like 190s or Tiffies". See? NO allies or axis, just airplanes Friend Arlo?
Your seriousness on that other post leads a fellow to postulate that perhaps someone might take a step back and remember that Sakai simply likes to roast a few weenies every once in awhile, but does not ultimately care how a guy butters his bread. But if this is too touchy an issue for all the "a-dolts" here, well . . .
I mean come on fellows, it's clear that post was not that serious. Maybe we need to bury those hard ons in something else than the Aces High BBs once in awhile.
Sakai
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Its always ok to vulch a Jet :)
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Originally posted by Sakai
And, the first swollen turkey tit winner is . . . . . .
Thank you, thank you. I worked very hard fo this award, but I would like to thank all the "little" people that helped make it happen...
Well, see you're taking advantage of previously established decorum and you are rationalizing your behavior. Always indications of moral terpitude.
Sakai [/B]
I have only been flying AH for 5 weeks Sakai, but I learned my arena "ethical code" in the GEnie AW days, and that is what I fly by now. I was honestly not aware of any "gentlemans agreements" not to vulch in the CT, sure everybody taunts/whines about vulchers, but this is the first I have heard of any no-vulch guidlines, if there is (was?) one I did not know anything about it. I have been vulched too, and I have seen lots of folks do it on both sides, so I dont think it is being followed by very many as of now.
So, let me say this up front so there is no confusion:
You are a target any time you are in the arena. You up under me, you WILL get vulched. Period. Dont wanna get vulched, dont up at a capped base. I am a vulcher and I make no appologies.
PS: I dont need to drag out the old cliche of pointing out that one of Yeagers kills was from vulchin a 262 while it was on final do I?
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Originally posted by Sakai
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Arlo, you know I don't care about anyone's squad, you really need to lighten up. I think any person who could read, spell, and cogitate semi-amubulatorily could get the point of my post. That two guys snapped out so fast and stupidly indicates that yes, there is something wrong in CT. I mean, I think vultching in Stukas is fine. Any craft like that has to vultch. For example, when I blew your 109 away in the Shturmi? You were tied up with other guys. Hardly fair, but hey, how else ya gonna get kills in an IL-2? Now, if you are up in a 190 or Tiffie, one has options that transcend playing to the lowest common denominator (that would be texans and republicans). That is why anyone who could read would see that I said "like 190s or Tiffies". See? NO allies or axis, just airplanes Friend Arlo?
Your seriousness on that other post leads a fellow to postulate that perhaps someone might take a step back and remember that Sakai simply likes to roast a few weenies every once in awhile, but does not ultimately care how a guy butters his bread. But if this is too touchy an issue for all the "a-dolts" here, well . . .
I mean come on fellows, it's clear that post was not that serious. Maybe we need to bury those hard ons in something else than the Aces High BBs once in awhile.
Sakai
Talk about needing to lighten up! :lol :aok
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What Grits said.:aok
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Sakai,
Vulching is as much a part of the CT as I am.
If you don't want to vulch because it makes you feel more honorable, chivalrous or whatever,… then great, don’t vulch. Just remember, whatever you think of yourself is just a fantasy. Don’t expect anyone else to buy into your chivalrous knight of the air fantasy. We are all into our own. Some of us imagine ourselves as ruthless killing machines, some as aces, some as realists, and some just want a good laugh.
Think whatever you want about players like me, but the only way that you can influence my vulching is to whine, and that’ll just give me a good reason to vulch more. I never expect a player who has a field capped to let me up. I also don’t think more highly of a player who lets me up.
When I try to take off at a capped field, I expect to be vulched (or attempted). When I up, my only goal is to take down the vulcher/capper with any means possible. I’ll fight dirty the second I get a chance. I’ll HO em, ack drag, GV drag, etc. Let me up once and you’ll wish you would have vulched me.
Seriously, you’re a good guy and a good player.
I like flying with and against you.
But I will always play by my rules.
eskimo
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I could care less if someone vulches me...the flip side is simple...fly around for 20 minutes with your thumb up your A#$. With the low #'s normally found in the CT its tough enough to find a fight...of course half the people in the CT prefer to attack digital real estate anyway...so I tend to let em up...not all the way...but up. No harm giving someone 1,000 ft or so.
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Originally posted by Squire
Its always ok to vulch a Jet :)
Oh, well, yeah I agree. And a GV too, and PT boats to my mind are fair game--they can shoot back.
Sakai
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Sakai,
Vulching is as much a part of the CT as I am.
If you don't want to vulch because it makes you feel more honorable, chivalrous or whatever,… then great, don’t vulch. Just remember, whatever you think of yourself is just a fantasy. Don’t expect anyone else to buy into your chivalrous knight of the air fantasy. We are all into our own. Some of us imagine ourselves as ruthless killing machines, some as aces, some as realists, and some just want a good laugh.
In the MA you can have as much of that as you like. The nice thing about not vultching in the CT, and very, very few people do it so I don't know where all this rationalization is coming from, is that it enhances aerial combat. You know, aerial, as in: in the air?
Not because anyone thinks of themselves in the manner that you describe, but becausae after 8 years of AW and 4 of AH, vultching is old hat. Now, some guys never grow up, and you are correct that there is an element of that in anyone who flies.
Besides, popsicle man, if anyone had bothered to read what I wrote, they'd know they were taking this far, far more seriously than they should have. I am simply teasing a couple of nincompoops who fooed up their side doing same.
Really though: Do we want the CT to become the MA? No. OK, then although headons and vultches and gangbanging will occur in the CT as well, should we rationalize same? I prefer not to.
Do we still appreciate it when some one says "I am bingo" and his enemy lets him go? Yes we do.
If someone said "Sakai, help, we're taking a field . . . ." Would I vultch or show disdain? Sure, I'd kill their foes.
But I would prefer to be in a stuka or Val or SBD while doing it . . . . ;-)
That's just me, and I do think there should be planes that are vultching rides and I stand by my call for a Gloster Gladiator. And a Fiat CR42.
FYI, I'm not a good enough pilot to be an anything in the sky, I simply don't want the CT to be the MA. Call me crazy, but there you have it.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Grits
Thank you, thank you. I worked very hard fo this award, but I would like to thank all the "little" people that helped make it happen...
I have only been flying AH for 5 weeks Sakai, but I learned my arena "ethical code" in the GEnie AW days,
Which is precisely the mentality that prevails in the MA and I have zero problem with it, so you should be perfectly happy there--waaaaay more targtets. It is like AW. Go, kill and be killed, I do and its ok. But yer dead wrong about whatever you want being the norm. That's the code for tyrant child behavior.
Sakai
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I dont want anything to be the "norm" YOU are the one trying to impose some sort of standard on others. I just do what I like to do and have fun, no more, no less. I dont tell people how they should or should not fly and dont want anyone telling me how either. You're the one rationalizing, not me. If other people want to HO, vulch, spawncamp, or whatever, I might not like it, but you will never see me complain about it in the arena or here. Just as a side note, I get very few kills vulching, but if I have the chance I do it I will, and I wont apologize for it.
As for the MA, I disagree, I think the CT is very much like the Original AW that is why I choose to fly there. I never flew AW past '95 so I dont know what all the later incarnations were like, maybe they were like the MA, I dont know. The CT has the same small feel of the old GEnie AW, while the MA is like a huge kiddie pool. No thanks, I'll stay in the CT where almost everybody knows everybody else, and if I do get vulched (Arlo, Magee, Norad, Snoop, and many others have) I just laugh it off and give an , no big deal.
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Originally posted by Sakai
The nice thing about not vultching in the CT, and very, very few people do it so I don't know where all this rationalization is coming from, is that it enhances aerial combat.
HeheHAHAHAHA. Sorry, Sak but that's just funny. Vulching in the CT has existed as long as I've been there ... more than likely longer. As long as there's base capture there will be vulching (maybe even without it). Every squadron (or just group of virtual pile-it friends flying together) that captures bases quickly and efficiently does it. Besides, do you think the dogfight between the fighter you're upping and the goon inbound is going to be challenging? If you're complaining about it you must have gotten vulched a few times in a row and got frustrated. Most of us in the CT know the solution to your problem lies within. If you want pure air-to-air with gentlemen's rules .. the DA may be more to your liking (though don't be surprised when someone plays outside the rules and limitations you set there as well). :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
HeheHAHAHAHA. Sorry, Sak but that's just funny. :D
Funny, perhaps, but generally true.
FWIW, I'm with Sakai on this, as most of you already know. If you simply want to run up your kills, seems to me the MA is the best place. If you want to have good aerial fights, you won't find them if your opponents are all getting killed on the runways.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Funny, perhaps, but generally true.
FWIW, I'm with Sakai on this, as most of you already know. If you simply want to run up your kills, seems to me the MA is the best place. If you want to have good aerial fights, you won't find them if your opponents are all getting killed on the runways.
- oldman
That all depends on what you're looking to achieve. It also soley depends on your own decision and action.
If you're wanting to help capture a field (be it just you and another or a whole gaggle of yas) then making sure nothing ups from that field's runway is a pretty smart and efficient move to make. It assists in your goal. If the the pilot being vulched keeps steadfastly trying to up unsuccessfully and doesn't like it and types in channel one (and even later posts in the forum) that he doesn't like it then that's really not your problem. He may rationalize, he may make an emotional appeal, he may take a stroll down memory lane (whether it's selective memory or not) - that doesn't change a thing.
If you're the one getting vulched at a field that has enemy cons all over it (even if that IS all they're doing and they have NO interest in capturing the field) then upping there repeatedly while chastising, pleading or attempting to appeal to their sense of honor on the radio (and possibly later in the forum) isn't really the wisest choice of actions, IMO. You, of course, have every right to do so but I wouldn't expect it to lead to an all around conversion of CT players to play by that self-imposed standard. I'm pretty sure it ain't gonna happen.
If you're looking for some air to air fights this is what I would do to achieve that. Don't try to up from a field that has several red dots over it (or a major darbar if the radar's been hit and you tried to up, not having looked out the tower window for a few seconds first and you got to look at the runway for maybe 4 seconds before you died). Up from a field that "looks clear" then fly to the dar that "looks even." It works 98.7% of the time.
I like yas from way back OM. Sakai too, for that matter. I just find the two of yas both unrealistic and not firmly based in "CT reality" when either of yas get in this "What happened to the good `ol CT where everyone fought with chivalry?" like.
Oh ... and yes ... I seldom take bingo or winchester calls seriously (unless, perhaps, the subject and I had just had one helluva sweaty dogfight ... and perhaps I'm low or empty myself). I don't give such calls either. I'd much rather keep my poor SA to myself, if that's the case. Or maybe I'll help a friendly more if the enemy con(s) still view(s) me as a threat. Guess it's all in how you percieve things.
If the CT was a boxing ring I'd be much more tempted to see the "Marquis of CTbury" rules or sumpin. Hell, OM ... do you, of all people, really think rules (in the virtual world even) just spontaneously form and are adhered to by the general public? Nope ... HTC is the law here and every action complained about short of tos violations are 99% of the time ... a waste of mine. :)
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:lol
Arlo,
Do you lay awake at night and worry about JG 3?
:rofl
Crumpp
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Do you lay awake at night and worry about JG 3?
We all do. No really....we do
I swear.
Seriously.
Absoultely
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Originally posted by Crumpp
:lol
Arlo,
Do you lay awake at night and worry about JG 3?
:rofl
Crumpp
Do you? :D :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
If the CT was a boxing ring I'd be much more tempted to see the "Marquis of CTbury" rules or sumpin. Hell, OM ... do you, of all people, really think rules (in the virtual world even) just spontaneously form and are adhered to by the general public? Nope ... HTC is the law here and every action complained about short of tos violations are 99% of the time ... a waste of mine. :)
Reasonable minds can differ about most things, even including vulching. I wanted to make my own position clear.
However, I resist your unspoken assumption that the CT is nothing more than a smaller MA with pretty maps and a limited plane set. We are different here, always have been. (Possibly it's because there isn't any "winning the war" in the CT, so that the only useful purpose of landgrabbing is to focus a squad operation or create a central location for a general fight.) Even people who spend most of their time in the MA seem to know that - how often have you heard one of them complain, "hey, this is no different from the MA" when they get HO'd, ganged or vulched?
Communities develop their own social standards. I like to think that ours discourage ganging, porking and vulching. But perhaps they don't.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Arlo
That all depends on what you're looking to achieve.
Well duh, we know what we want, kind of the point you know, and it isn't mere vultching or rationalization of any base behavior or lowest common denominator.
The greatest whines in CT have always, that would be always, been: don't let this become the MA. Well, as Oldman notes, communities set their standards, I guess if yours are as base as the MA, then run with it moondoggie, Mine are not. I try to avoid HOs and gang banging and vultching in the CT. And for goodness sake, you can have all that you want with any ride you want and tons of targets in the MA.
It's like hunting, if the point were merely to kill something I would be far, far more satisfied by offing my neighbors damn dog. But I don't do that, I go hunting.
When I started in there, virtually everyone felt that way, but there does seem to be a corrollary to the inter squad hatred and the creeping in of more "MA-like", if you will, behavior.
Just askin'
People love the Okinawa map. One reason it is great is you can't vultch fleets and these bases--too much triple A. The other really stellar map is Kantorri's Fin wonder. Guess what: more triple A there, too.
I maintain my original point: do it in Vals or Stukas and you have my support. In SBDs, sure. Bring us the Gladiator, please, so Arlo can vultch. In Tiffies and 190s? Any sissy can do that. So, show me yer not a sissy. All I'm saying.
Sakai;)
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Well said Sakai and Oldman! :)
Sqrl
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Originally posted by Oldman731
how often have you heard one of them complain, "hey, this is no different from the MA" when they get HO'd, ganged or vulched?
Flawed logic from the get-go. The CT was never meant to be a refuge from HOs, vulches, gangbangs, field captures or anything else that's an integral part of Aces High. The CT was an arena setup for two-sided (generally traditional axis vs allies) setups over historical terrains. Nothing more. If someone gets disgusted with the CT because "it's just like the MA" (given their only criteria for same/different is getting HOed or Vulched or whatever their particular personal pet peeve is) then they have unrealistic expectations from the start.
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Originally posted by Sakai
Any sissy can do that. So, show me yer not a sissy. All I'm saying.
Well John Wayne ... guess what? I have. And I've also vulched. Get real. :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
Flawed logic from the get-go. The CT was never meant to be a refuge from HOs, vulches, gangbangs, field captures or anything else that's an integral part of Aces High. The CT was an arena setup for two-sided (generally traditional axis vs allies) setups over historical terrains. Nothing more. If someone gets disgusted with the CT because "it's just like the MA" (given their only criteria for same/different is getting HOed or Vulched or whatever their particular personal pet peeve is) then they have unrealistic expectations from the start.
I fly at CT not because of setups only (even this is very important part) but because of the players.
Yes I do not like vulching - I can accept it only there is goon on the way to capture the base and you want it to do its job. Vulching is just not fun - it is much more interesting to let the enemy roll get some alt and then start you combat. Vulching you can do offline with ACKs.
And yes I do like when I can tell, plz let me land have no ammo or when someone asks me to do it.
And yes I do not like MA becuase of vulching, HOs (yes sometimes they are acceptable and I use them sometimes), Lancasters that divebomb CVs, suicide bombers and lot of other stuff.
I can see less things like that at CT.
About base capturing - finaly it is one of targets of game. If some folks like it - so let it be. I come to CT for good air to air combats.
And please don't destroy it.
All things like don't roll from capped base just make me to smile. So what do you looking for combat or just your score?
So IMO CT is much more then MA with historical setup.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Well John Wayne ... guess what? I have. And I've also vulched. Get real. :aok
Someone needs to do something besides think they are really smart on the AH boards . . . .
I suggest female attention, lots of it. You know you can get it, you're cute as hell.
Sakai
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Originally posted by artik
I fly at CT not because of setups only (even this is very important part) but because of the players.
So IMO CT is much more then MA with historical setup.
Hear, hear. AS noted, if my "side" asks for me ot shoot a guy down who has no chanceto protect them, I will do it, grudgingly. But these guys who say they are too cute not to vultch, well, they certainly are cute
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
But these guys who say they are too cute not to vultch, well, they certainly are cute
Sakai, I don't want to tell I'll let him a chance to survive. No problems with it. It is just not fun to be a turkey shooter that is all. It is just much more challangeing to shoot someone that do can protect themself. If you want to find targets for shooting you can find enough offline.
And yes I prefere to roll get some speed and start a combat with someone that has E advantage and try to shoot him down.
It is all about good combat and not turkey shooting.
So.... it is not about being cute :lol just to have a fun.
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flew a few hops in the CT...fun setup btw...allies pounding the southern fields...down to 1 base with 50% fuel...upped a 163 under "cap"...got by the take off vulch and had a fun couple of fights before the old heater flamed out...down to 25%...upped a 262 and had fun till I got caught hanging (was flaming out anyway::)...upped a tony since cap was tight...vulched with wheels on runway...BYE
Again fly how you like...but I'll act accordingly. whats interesting here is the guys who CAN fly are all for letting folks up...the ones who cant...don't.
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Originally posted by artik
Sakai, I don't want to tell I'll let him a chance to survive. No problems with it. It is just not fun to be a turkey shooter that is all. It is just much more challangeing to shoot someone that do can protect themself. If you want to find targets for shooting you can find enough offline.
And yes I prefere to roll get some speed and start a combat with someone that has E advantage and try to shoot him down.
It is all about good combat and not turkey shooting.
So.... it is not about being cute :lol just to have a fun.
Artik:
I agree entirely, I was simply poking fun at my Bud Arlo.
Well said Artik.
Sakai
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Originally posted by humble
Again fly how you like...but I'll act accordingly. whats interesting here is the guys who CAN fly are all for letting folks up...the ones who cant...don't.
Well . . .
If flight capability was the determinant I'd be sitting on bases in a Tiger blowing Oldman and Arlo up before they engaged their motors. Once I asked Oldman after he killed me: "How were those moves"? and he said "You were moving?"
Sakai
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Hehe,
Obviously there are alot of variables here...but there is no challenge...or reason to pop someone before they can even get wheels up in the CT. Personally I'd love to see both GV's and base capture disabled in the CT...add some auto kill ack and it would be perfect:). CT used to be where you went for some real air combat...seems to be where the weenies go more recently.
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seems to be where the weenies go more recently
I'd sya the CT is where the MA base capture "wannabes" hang out!
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Originally posted by LtMagee
I'd sya the CT is where the MA base capture "wannabes" hang out!
Yeah, we don't seem to be too adept at it.
What is arena for next Friday, by the by?
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
What is arena for next Friday, by the by?
Sakai
Revenge of the saucer people.
Map = Phillipenes
Earth Forces Bishop.
C-47 all bases.
P-40B at A3 and A2 only 25 Perkies.
M-3 all bases
Saucer People Knights.
ME-262 all bases
ME-163 all bases
Ar234 all bases
Tempest all bases
LA-7 all bases
N1K2 all bases.
B-17s all bases
C-47 all bases
On CV's
F4U-4
F4U-C
B26
C-47
Note to simulate mother ships all task forces will be suspended at 15k above the map, ack will able to shoot down at Earth P-40bs trying to gain alt.
Tiger
Panther
Ostie
M16
M
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Originally posted by Sakai
Someone needs to do something besides think they are really smart on the AH boards . . . .
I suggest female attention, lots of it. You know you can get it, you're cute as hell.
Sakai
If that's the best response you got, Rambo ... then you shouldn't have bothered, amigo. ;)
I can see you're quite dedicated to appealing to other's sense of propriety when it comes to vulching but apparently that's where it ends. :D
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Originally posted by Sakai
if my "side" asks for me ot shoot a guy down who has no chance to protect them, I will do it, grudgingly.
That's no excuse. You either have your own personal code of honor or you don't. What has anyone else got to do with it? :D
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Originally posted by humble
whats interesting here is the guys who CAN fly are all for letting folks up...the ones who cant...don't.
Don't you believe it. I've been vulched by the best. (I'm not talking the "best vulchers") ;) :aok
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Originally posted by humble
CT used to be where you went for some real air combat...seems to be where the weenies go more recently.
How about the DA? Can you get real air combat in the DA? :D
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What Eskimo2 said ... Bravo!
It's nice to be chivalrous and it's nice to vulch, and I've done both and plenty other stuff, and apparently a lot of other people have too. Depends on the circumstances.
The Great Truth underlying all this seems to be that most people naturally use, within equipment limitations and published rules, whatever tactics facilitate their survival and victory.
It's much easier refining our individual equipment skills than it is to secure consensus on UNpublished rules, or convince others that our interpretation is the method of choice.
Even if all posters to this thread agreed on every fine point, there would be many others who would never get the word, and might not comply if they did. Can't let a little thing like that ruin our day.
DA seems to be the best place to joust, but even there the best defense is often a good sense of humor.
So ... in this game expect anything, savor the moments when we happen to fight kindred spirits, and keep learning from situations that don't offer redemption in real life.
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Sheesh, are we still talking about this?
I got vulched in the CT last night, wanna know what I did? I sent the guy a and said "Good vulch, I never saw you comming" and shrugged it off. Big f'in deal, you give some, you get some.
I'll say this one more time, dont wanna get vulched, dont up at all, just fly offline. Pleas spare me the tears.
Maybe you "waa, I got vulched" crybabies should stick to box games.
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I think Grits is getting the hang of this board...WTG Grits, get down and ugly like the rest of us...heheheheheheh
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You forgot the Hurri IID and F-14 Lowe:aok
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Oooh a tomcat cool :D
Originally posted by Slash27
You forgot the Hurri IID and F-14 Lowe:aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
That's no excuse. You either have your own personal code of honor or you don't. What has anyone else got to do with it? :D
Well Arlo, that's where you've screwed up: I don't have a "personal code of honor." That nonsense is your idea of what was said.
You boys really need to quit rationalizing your behavior. Hey, If you're trying that hard to excuse it, even you think it sucks.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Löwe
Revenge of the saucer people.
M
You know, I don't think he is serious, I think he's commenting on this week's setup!
Will there be any ambulances to shoot? Hospital ships to destroy?
And while were on it, it's one thing to bomb a church but could we not get some mainstream Cathedrals to destroy as well?
Sakai
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Originally posted by Grits
Sheesh, are we still talking about this?
Maybe you "waa, I got vulched" crybabies should stick to box games.
Hmmmmmm . . .
Maybe we could learn to read and then we wouldn't get the little logic train off the track so often?
No one here whined, and I certainly have never complained, about being vultched, I have said I think the trend in the CT is taking us to the MA lite stage, and that's a shame.
Thanks for the rationalization though, it beats thought and effort anytime. Here's a quote you can simply paste in rather than applying any thought: "Let's not build a community, it's me first and I dictate the normative behavior because only I count".
;-)
Sakai
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Originally posted by Telstar
Oooh a tomcat cool :D
Well, yeah, OK, if you had a Tomcat why not vultch???
Sakai
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If you pop someone from 25 miles away with a Phoenix while they are on the runway, is that still a vulch?
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Is Vulching such an issue that it deserves 51 replies to it?
Come on, Think about it....
How many bases on each map....?
How many opertunities not to get vulched?
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
Is Vulching such an issue that it deserves 51 replies to it?
Come on, Think about it....
How many bases on each map....?
How many opertunities not to get vulched?
No, my point was we need a biplane. After that, who cares?
Sakai
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Originally posted by Slash27
If you pop someone from 25 miles away with a Phoenix while they are on the runway, is that still a vulch?
No way, that's called COOL.
Perhaps we should lobby for nuclear weapons . . .
Sakai
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And a bi-polar seeking missile:aok
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Originally posted by Sakai
Thanks for the rationalization though, it beats thought and effort anytime. Here's a quote you can simply paste in rather than applying any thought: "Let's not build a community, it's me first and I dictate the normative behavior because only I count".
;-)
Sakai
Again, you are the one rationalizing, not me. I dont dictate any behavior but my own, nor do I complain about anyone elses behavior as much as I may dislike some of it. You are the one trying to impose a moral standard on others, not me.
The silly thing about this is, as much as I am on the Pro-vulch side of this, I do very very rarely. I remember when I started all this in BoB, you had just upped A10 and I vulched you in a Tiffie. You said "Hmmm vuchin in the CT?", so in that respect this whole thread is my fault. I wont vulch in the middle of the night when there are only 2-3 guys on each side, and if you tell me "hey, Im not a 'base capture guy' I just want to furball" I wont do it then either, but you did not say anything like that so I vulched you. I wont appologize for the times that I do vulch.
Sooo...can we declare this horse beaten to death and move on?:rolleyes:
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double post
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Originally posted by Arlo
How about the DA? Can you get real air combat in the DA? :D
Any place any time any plane :D
The issue here is pretty simple...what are you looking for...If I go to the CT I'm looking for a good fight. Yes it's "historical"...so what...it's got planes and pilots who tend to have some experience. I don't care if I'm being gangbanged ( I always fly the lower #'d side ) I just want a fun fight.
IMO you dont need goons, vehicles or bombers...
Nothing funnier than watching one of the CT "squads"...and I use the term sarcastically...launch a massive strike against....NADA....while another "squad" does the same thing on the other side of the map...I've got 3 or 4 clips of this BS floating around somwwhere...literally 20+ folks in CT and no interaction between sides.
I'll vulch with the best of em if it makes sense....but with few exceptions...like vulching the squad weenies on the way to glory:aok...it just doesnt make sense.
With #'s in the teens or low 20's why discourage a chance for a fight where you already hold the alt & E...let the poor SOB git 500 ft up then swat em down...a small window of hope is all us "vulchies" are asking for:rofl
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Sidewinders make for good vulchin :)
Originally posted by Sakai
Well, yeah, OK, if you had a Tomcat why not vultch???
Sakai
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Nothing funnier than watching one of the CT "squads"...and I use the term sarcastically...launch a massive strike against....NADA....while another "squad" does the same thing on the other side of the map...I've got 3 or 4 clips of this BS floating around somwwhere...literally 20+ folks in CT and no interaction between sides.
Yeah, "squads":rolleyes: Who are these people anyway? The sooner these "squad" types learn what a WW2 flight sim is "really" all about, the better off we will all be. "Squads",ppppppppffffffffttttttt!!!!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Sakai
You boys really need to quit rationalizing your behavior. Hey, If you're trying that hard to excuse it, even you think it sucks.
Sakai
No ... I think it's fine. You think it sucks. You rationalize that. :D
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what stream said:eek: