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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on February 07, 2004, 11:44:53 PM
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OK, so i've flown over this airport at least a dozzen times, and as many maps as i've looked at as far back as a 1979 New York Sectional, I could find no record for what airport it was. Its not Grumman Bethpage because thats off the Kennedy 075 at 15. This one is 075 at 10 nm. You can clearly see the footprint for the airport which now looks to be an industrial park of some sort, but much of the runway appears intact. Any ideas what it could be?
Wolfala
BTW: This shot was in FS2004 running the Mega Scenery for New York.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_204_1076218931.jpg)
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That's Roosevelt Field, Charles Lindbergh's departure point into history.
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hey! I think I can see my house.
what system are you using?
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AMD XP 2400, Radeon 9600, 1G ram
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What kind of frame rates are you getting?
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That looks great Wolf. Where is the Mega Scenery link? I'd buy it.
Ding, I have FS9 Maxed out on a Geforce FX card, 1800, 1GIG. It just says 20 fps limited, not sure why, didn't care to change it as it's glass.
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Ah there is a Frame rate slider in the hardware tab... It usually picks the best for your video card.
I like to see what other people are getting and compare them to mine.
On average, except in thick clouds I'm locked about 35 FPS. But near lots of clouds I drags into 15-18.
There are some clouds that are downloadable that are better performers but the true 3-d clouds are just too nice to replace, IMHO.
Just bought Carenado's Bonanza (the old) and love it... Can't wait for the FS2004 update comes out.
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Hmm, I'd have to dig into the settings, because maybe a set 20fps would be your best bet. I don't play it enough to know, but it does look terrific on the new GF card.
If you find a Tomahawk plane with a realistic cockpit, please post it. I've found some FS2002 models but the cockpits are off.
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http://www.carenado.com look under free aircraft
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Outstanding. Cool.
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Wolf - I was thinking about getting that scenery - are you happy with it, any frame rate loss?
Creamo - I've got my FPS locked at 50 but unless it's clear, I usually wind up with a max of 35. Clouds rain and especially snow cause a hit.
P4, 2.4, 512, ATI 9700..
There are lots of nice freeware a/c out there- one of the best IMHO is the Aero Commander from Milton Shupe (sp)
http://www.simviation,com
http://www.flightsim.com
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I'm sorry. That is not Roosevelt Field.
What your looking at is the remains of runway 23/05 of Mitchel Field.
How do I know this?
My office building sits dead smack in the middle of that photo!!!
I've been studying the history of this area for some time.
I also volunteer at the Cradle of Aviation Museum which was built in the hangars of Mitchel field, which can be seen in this photo as well.
Finally, about 2 months ago, I went exploring that old runway/taxiway. It seems its used for some type of driver training for Nassau county now.
Here's a websight on Mitchel with a better picture of what youve got there.
http://www.hempsteadplains.com/Mitchell.htm
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As Lindbergh took off from Roosevelt Feild in Mineola, and this airport is in Mineola, and Roosevelt Feild Shopping Center is in the far left (NW) corner of the airport, Roosevelt Raceway can be seen in the NE corner, just accross Meadowbrook Parkway, you can understand my confusion.
Sure looks like Roosevelt Feild to me.
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I'm still tweaking mine. I know I should be getting better performance...
I've started to use the tips here...
http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=177&topic_id=230&mesg_id=230&page=
hope this helps.
The main thing is to turn off Anti Ailasing in FS9...
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
As Lindbergh took off from Roosevelt Feild in Mineola, and this airport is in Mineola, and Roosevelt Feild Shopping Center is in the far left (NW) corner of the airport, Roosevelt Raceway can be seen in the NE corner, just accross Meadowbrook Parkway, you can understand my confusion.
Sure looks like Roosevelt Feild to me.
Negative.
Mitchel Field was named as such in 1918 for Mayor John Mitchel of NY. Before that, it was known as Aviation Field no.2.
Roosevelt field was named for Quentin Roosevelt, son of Teddy Roosevelt, IIRC. Prior to that, it was known as Aviation Field #1.
Though these airfields are literally within 1 mile of each other, they were 2 seperate entities with 2 very distinct histories.
As far as I know, nothing remains of Roosevelt Field (The airfield, not the mall).
Here's another good link...
http://www.members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/NY/Airfields_NY_NY_E.htm#Mitchel
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wolf you need to work on your photography skills. The picture you took is really blurry!
gun
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
wolf you need to work on your photography skills. The picture you took is really blurry!
gun
:lol
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OK first answer - you can get the scenery at http://www.megascenery.com Second question, I always delete the ONLY file in the autogen directory - it seems to muck things up and higher FPS result by ditching it. Third - the scenery is easier on yr system then the default scenery - why I have no idea - but I have mesh set to 20 and a bunch of other junk, and i'm pushing 40-50 FPS on the aforementioned system. As for the field - after going over that website - i'm convinced its Mitchel Field.
Wolf
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There is no doubt in my mind what so ever...
That's the remains of Mitchel Field.
Check out the links.
I'm 100% certain.
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well, you've got someone who works in an aviation museum on old Mitchel field, who claims that's what it is, that Roosevelt Field was 1 mile to the N, and posts a link to a site that gives images, charts, Lat/Long and assorted notes for both airfields from their inception to the present day, and from those, it's clear that we're looking at Mitchel field.
You can't get much more detailed than that.
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For the FPS buff's i'll put my settings in - most of these are suggested during the scenery setup and applies to while you are flying in the NY area ONLY. If you continue outside you might want to jack them back up. Here goes...
In Display:
Terrain Mesh - 20
Terrain Tex - High
Detail - Land only
No Dawn texture
No extended textures
Scenery Complexity - Extreme
Autogen - set to sparse (No need for buildings to muck up the works
Dynamic - none
No ground shadows - could change
Weather
Sight distance - 60
Cloud draw - 30
3D cloud - 100
Detailed - Max
Hardware
Transform and lighting - on
Rest is off - no extended or AA
Mip Map quality - 7
Hardware lights 6
Global tex size 6
Target frame rate - 87
Additional stuff - delete the autogen file in the autogen directory.
Replacement textures: resautog.zip, ffpv2.zip
All replacement textures are 50 % smaller and it makes a SIGNIFICANT speed difference if you are outside of the NY area. Inside it only helps as they are for clouds, etc - you can get these as http://www.flightsim.com or I can email them to you.
Example of frame rates:
East Long Island by East Hampton and Montauk, Gardners Island, 80 FPS +
Flushing Queens: 60 FPS +
Newark Liberity sector: 40-50 FPS +
Bridgeport N90 sector: 60 FPS +
Manhatten and the Bronx: 40-50 FPS +
System specs: AMD XP 2400, 1 GIG, RADEON 9600
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Doesn't having mipmap at 7 make your screen shimmy... I've found cranking it up, makes everything look like crap...
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Addendum - 7 or less
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xp2700
radeon 9600
1gb ram
so it should run ok.might pick it up.
maybe I should finally get a stick 1st
hey, can you get a pic of the skyline of manhattan or is it flat?
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Wolf or anyone...
I got my Mega Scenery today and I'm going nuts. I can't find the airfield, and I'm looking right where it should be.
Could you take a screenie of your map when you took this shot so I can compare longitude and lattitude.
Any other tips would be appreciated!!
Thanks!
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Muck, if you track the Kennedy 075 radial at 10 miles - that will put you just south of the field by 2 or 3 miles. Look off yr left wing.
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wow nice graphics. I tried the MegaScenery demo for LA and it didn't work too well with autogen, i.e. trees would appear where house should be. anybody has similar problems?
I see wolfala has disabled autogen.
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For some reason, I cant get my graphics to look like his, and I used the same set up.
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Couple things - turn Anti aliasing off within the game - follow its recommendation and set it to 4x within the card itself by using custom settings, etc. 2nd - keep yr speed below 160 if you are sightseeing - it takes a lot fo time to parse up everything. 3rd - DO NOT USE TIME ACCELLERATION - you will just screw yrself and nothing will parse up. If you need me to tweak yr system, drop me a line on AIM: wolfala MSN: wolfala@aol.com or ICQ 1065773 and I will work with you.
Wolf
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Thanks, Wolf.
I got it working using those tips and fulfilled a dream!
I finally got to land at Mitchel Field!!!
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Anytime captain
Wolf