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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DeeezCamp on December 10, 2001, 05:49:00 AM
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Have been too busy to work on it for over a months time, but am posting some stuff to shut the lamer voss up. :rolleyes:
This is about 5 hours of work total so far.
copy and paste the Link below into your internet browser. This is the only way that you will be able to download the file due to tripod hosting limitations.
http://jbroey3.tripod.com/WorksInProgress/Meteortest1.avi (http://jbroey3.tripod.com/WorksInProgress/Meteortest1.avi)
Ps. this by no means is finished, it is comparible to a close to final sketch. Still have plenty of UV mapping of textures, and other things as model mesh lines to adjust/clean up.
;)
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Oh yes.. one thing, the Format of the AVI file is compressed using the DIVIX format.
It is a very VERY good compression/video creation codec. You will need this inorder to view the file.
Below is the link that will install the codec to allow you viewing.
http://download.divx.com/divx/DivX411Codec.exe (http://download.divx.com/divx/DivX411Codec.exe)
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haha.. one More Note Worth mentioning :D
instead of Trying to run it from the Server (tripod) just go ahead and "Right Click" on the link, and choose "Save Target As"
Once you download it, Then run the film, no sense having it run slowly off the tripod site.
... okay Nuff rambles from me.. Take a look.
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DeeZ, to call this art is tardish. It's not bad modeling; I'll give you that much. However, it is simply not art. Art implies textures, the subtle interaction of realistic lighting (and light effects), and the suspension of disbelief. None of that is present here.
Get your act together and give us something presentable, or you'll be a tard for life.
Oh, and don't waste my time with tardish animations like this again. A simple image will do, but you damn sure better make it photo-realistic if you want to compete with me (and post it in the appropriate forum). What you have so far doesn't even qualify as a cartoon.
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DeeZ, to call this art is tardish. It's not bad modeling; I'll give you that much. However, it is simply not art. Art implies textures, the subtle interaction of realistic lighting (and light effects), and the suspension of disbelief. None of that is present here.
Get your act together and give us something presentable, or you'll be a tard for life.
Oh, and don't waste my time with tardish animations like this again. A simple image will do, but you damn sure better make it photo-realistic if you want to compete with me (and post it in the appropriate forum). What you have so far doesn't even qualify as a cartoon.
I have no idea what the history behind this little tet-a-tet... but this gets my vote for "whine of the week" by a long shot.
My God! you are talking about "competing" when it comes to 3D rendering?
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"My CADD system is better than yours!" :P
Hehe!
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One things fer sure, I can take Voss down any day of the week in the cutting/pasting dept. :D
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I have no idea what the history behind this little tet-a-tet... but this gets my vote for "whine of the week" by a long shot.
My God! you are talking about "competing" when it comes to 3D rendering?
What ever, tard-breath.
This guy posted something about his Gloster before, and got attention over it. Then he decided to mouth off about it in the MA and attack my 'artistic abilities' (when we were talking about fighter prowess mind you)without any knowledge of what 'art' is. I am attempting to edify the tard.
You get my vote for 'dork-of-the-week' Deja, for mouthing off where you have no knowledge of subject matter, nor an inkling of who the real whiner is. YOU can wear the award as a true dork, for lack of a true whine and an attempt to get it awarded to a victim of YOUR choice.
It's Rude's award. Let him choose.
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DeeZ, to call this art is tardish. It's not bad modeling; I'll give you that much. However, it is simply not art. Art implies textures, the subtle interaction of realistic lighting (and light effects), and the suspension of disbelief. None of that is present here.
Get your act together and give us something presentable, or you'll be a tard for life.
Oh, and don't waste my time with tardish animations like this again. A simple image will do, but you damn sure better make it photo-realistic if you want to compete with me (and post it in the appropriate forum). What you have so far doesn't even qualify as a cartoon.
Voss your pretty funny, Its amazing what you "THINK" is/is not art. I have yet to see ANYTHING from you, on a creaative level even worth mentioning. :rolleyes:
I guess you should tell all those that worked on toy story, final fantasy, or any 3d animation/modeling project that... they are not creating art. :rolleyes:
I know for a fact that I have more artistic talent than you in my thumb alone.
Prime example is your attempt at an aces High Tutorial website with borrowed java appaletts. For goodness sake, the Color scheme, the entire position of the reflective water appellett is at such an off angle, you might as well be DRAWING cartoons.
You think that you are in the same league, but trust me your still in the minors.
The mesh that I created, by yes... DRAWING in 3 Dimensions, was by the use of free form b-spline curves.
Texture mapping in itself has nothing to do with ARtistic ability, but rather the ability to align the PICTURE/Art onto the created sculpted object.
Maybe this is abit over your head?.. With your frame of mind, You must feel that Music/ballet/ and to some extent, sports are not Art forms? :rolleyes:
I think you need to further your schooling Voss before you sound like such an bellybutton when it comes to Artforms.. :rolleyes:
On a side note,... Heya Rip... Your cad program stinks :D
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LOL Voss! you crack me up! Its not so much the posts... but that I think such a humorous post was actually intended to be anything but.
Wow!
AKDejaVu
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you guys are funny....
how bout posting some screenies! both of ya!
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DeeZ, you prove yourself a tard with every breath. Check the appropriate forum.
And you're wrong about textures. Of course, since you are using cut-and-paste textures instead of creating your own, you have no idea what textures are and how they are an extension of artistic ability. Instead of pasting bitmaps onto a mesh, learn how to master the creaton of procedural textures (look that one up - PROCEDURAL TEXTURES) and you will be light years ahead of most of the guys doing this stuff.
But wait, this is DeeZ I am argueing with. Not only will you argue until you are blue in the face, you will never learn a damn thing.
Until you attempt to help the AH community, instead of deriding every aspect of it, don't put down efforts in that direction.
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"And all across the country, Creamo-wanna-be's use a new word, entered into Websters Dictionary: "Tard" Description being "anything derogatory that you want it to be, one of "Creamo-o-ness".
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Originally quoted by Voss,... Fool of the Hour.
DeeZ, you prove yourself a tard with every breath. Check the appropriate forum.
And you're wrong about textures. Of course, since you are using cut-and-paste textures instead of creating your own, you have no idea what textures are and how they are an extension of artistic ability. Instead of pasting bitmaps onto a mesh, learn how to master the creaton of procedural textures (look that one up - PROCEDURAL TEXTURES) and you will be light years ahead of most of the guys doing this stuff.
But wait, this is DeeZ I am argueing with. Not only will you argue until you are blue in the face, you will never learn a damn thing.
Until you attempt to help the AH community, instead of deriding every aspect of it, don't put down efforts in that direction.
WOW voss,..
I now know FOR A FACT that you do know have a clue as to what you are talking about. :D Thank you for the Conformation on your lack of know-how/knowledge when it comes to Textures and ART in general.
1. The simple yet effective animation that I have created involves no textures, But does contain your standard 3 point light setup (something you should obviously know about) but seemingly do not.
2.It takes about zero time to open Photoshop, create layers, and then Map out the images that I have createrd to the objects I have created. If you were an artist in any form/fashion.. you would understand this.
3. To your suprise voss, and yes... I know there are many, you are new to the ART world it obviously seems. There are many ways that one can Map a 2D image to a 3D object.
Oh and voss, heres just a little clue,... I have been an artist since the age of 7. I have attended college for my artistic abilities starting at the age of 13. I think you are obviously a moron and have no Idea of what you are talking about.
I could almost guarentee that even a drawing of an anatomically correct human nose would be to completcated for you.
Until you attempt to help the AH community, instead of deriding every aspect of it, don't put down efforts in that direction.
Here we see the lack of VOSS's mental ability to keep on track of the topic. You see this post has nothing to do with anything other than art. But IM sure those of you reading this will already understand what poor old voss cannot :)
Anyway, Voss Im still awaiting the Nice Gloster Meteor you can Create,setup,light and render in 5 hours.
Start studying...
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Originally posted by mason22:
you guys are funny....
how bout posting some screenies! both of ya!
I'm betting his 30-day trail period ran out and he can't render images anymore. Even if he can I can't believe he spent the $1700 it takes to get the professional textures library. Even then, it's the bitmaps that he can't possibly know how to apply properly, light realistically, and certainly his surface perturbations will be childish.
He's using a good tool, probably the best tool, but it takes YEARS to know how to use it. Not months. He might surprise me, and actually paste his bitmaps accurately, but I doubt it. He still won't have the properties correct for photo-realism. Not by a long shot.
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Originally posted by DeeezCamp:
Prime example is your attempt at an aces High Tutorial website with borrowed java appaletts.
This is what I was referring to, handsomehunk. Now, shutup, or post some art IN THE APPROPRIATE FORUM.
THEN, post your completed Meteor. I want to see what a 13yr-old college tard can do.
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While not nearly as good as Voss I think my having spent more time spent with the software and on the project overall that I was able to edge out Dweebzcramp for clarity and detail.
(http://litsite.alaska.edu/uaa/familygatherings/airplane.jpg)
Mind you it's an action shot so the picture might tend to be a bit blurry due to the super pissuh fast action. So please squint. A lot. And I hope no one minds that I took the liberty of adding an ability to carry the rest of the squad on one Meteor. Sue me.
Anyway, FYI in this screen shot we "blowed" up a whole enemy country in one pass. Did you know the Meteor packs eight Hispano's? We rejoiced alot on RW and we were greeted as wicked huge heroes upon rtbing.
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Wow. I thought I would never see anything uglier than two outraged gay lovers windmill slapping one another on "Jerry Springer"... :D
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Originally posted by Kieran:
Wow. I thought I would never see anything uglier than two outraged gay lovers windmill slapping one another on "Jerry Springer"... :D
tehehe :)
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Sorry, guys. I'm just tired of this tard dissing AH, and everyone in it. Of course, I have to defend my second favorite hobby, don't I (ray-tracing, not AH)?
Lol, Westy. I like that! :D
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Wow. I thought I would never see anything uglier than two outraged gay lovers windmill slapping one another on "Jerry Springer"... :D
I spit coffee on my monitor... you bastard.
AKDejaVu
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Nice westy,do you goto college too? :))
(joking)
Steely
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Gee still waiting for Voss's masterpiece to show up.. where is it?
Hey Voss, Im sure that Talent you possess is overflowing, just waiting to be let out.
Please Post some pics or a simple short animation of your Gloster.
You talk a great deal, But show nothing. Empty Words from an Empty man I guess. :rolleyes:
Owesty, Very nice pic. Did you do it or your children?
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Removes hook and swims away from tard too stupid to find the right forum (or to have been in college at 13). Hell, I'm beginning to doubt he's made it to 12 yet!
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Removes hook and swims away from tard too stupid to find the right forum (or to have been in college at 13). Hell, I'm beginning to doubt he's made it to 12 yet!
Hey Voss, you are pretty sad indeed.
CLEARLY,.. you are OBVIOUSLY TALKING OUT OF YOUR prettythang about this entire topic. OTHERWISE you would have NO PROBLEM DISPROVING ME.....or proving to all what skill you have that you talk so much of.
Get it?
As for your Little forum issue, Well if that is what your problem is, well you are worse off then I had already envisioned.
Dont let the "Specific" forum stop you. We wouldnt want that. :rolleyes:
I think that anyone here reading this should easily see how Mr. Voss is so easy to walk away from the challenge, but talk a great deal while sitting on the sidelines.
Keep up the good work Voss. Remeber, you have about 5 hours worth of time to get your work together and post it.
Cya Sap.
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Deez, that is pretty sweet looking! It'll look better when it is painted I'm sure.
Even unpainted it is really nice though, congratulations on your modelling. I think it'd be neat to do stuff like that, but I don't have the time or money :(.
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Heya Urchin, Thanks for a non-Bashing response. Its a breath of fresh air on this topic. :)
And yes, When I get time, I will give it another 5 hours, and have it textured up very nicely. I have mny other issues with the model That I would like to fix as well but art takes time sometimes. ;)
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Prime example is your attempt at an aces High Tutorial website with borrowed java appaletts. For goodness sake, the Color scheme, the entire position of the reflective water appellett is at such an off angle, you might as well be DRAWING cartoons.
DeeezCamp
Not really "art," more like graphic design just as 3D modeling is more like drafting unless it is carried a step further like Gray Eagle and others.
I suppose a skilled plumber pulling a turd out of a clogged toilet can have some "artistic" quality... but art? I write pretty good features for trade magazines, with the occasional clever turn of phrase, but I'll reserve “art” for my great American novel (or perhaps that other elitist term -- literature).
As for the Java reference: Java Gods Unite (http://www.theonion.com/onion3744/java_programmers.html) If Michaelangelo were alive today I expect he would have authored some sweet porn-spamming applets that would astound the world.
And what's the purpose of this crap anyway? When this started it seemed to be some sort of... "let me show you how it's done" attack on Superfly and Natedog. Since that has failed, why bother continuing? Better yet, why not devote all the time you're currently wasting on this bbs to developing a blade theory game engine and really show the laggards at HTC.
Charon
BTW Voss, keep up the good work. It's good to see someone expending positive energy for the community.
[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: Charon ]
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sweet lookin ride Deez <S>
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Originally posted by DeeezCamp:
Voss your pretty funny, Its amazing what you "THINK" is/is not art. I have yet to see ANYTHING from you, on a creaative level even worth mentioning. :rolleyes:
I guess you should tell all those that worked on toy story, final fantasy, or any 3d animation/modeling project that... they are not creating art. :rolleyes:
I know for a fact that I have more artistic talent than you in my thumb alone.
Prime example is your attempt at an aces High Tutorial website with borrowed java appaletts. For goodness sake, the Color scheme, the entire position of the reflective water appellett is at such an off angle, you might as well be DRAWING cartoons.
You think that you are in the same league, but trust me your still in the minors.
The mesh that I created, by yes... DRAWING in 3 Dimensions, was by the use of free form b-spline curves.
Texture mapping in itself has nothing to do with ARtistic ability, but rather the ability to align the PICTURE/Art onto the created sculpted object.
Maybe this is abit over your head?.. With your frame of mind, You must feel that Music/ballet/ and to some extent, sports are not Art forms? :rolleyes:
I think you need to further your schooling Voss before you sound like such an bellybutton when it comes to Artforms.. :rolleyes:
On a side note,... Heya Rip... Your cad program stinks :D
seems to me voss you met your match
i say not all but some and enough
to be anoying AW GUYS THINK YOUR GODS GIFT HERE gezzzzz grow up get with it or
just be kind and leave . Now the good AW guys that are not a pain Welcome ) and i am
fun flying with or against ya :)
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I'm sure glad I don't drink any liquids when I read these boards some times. O'Westy, your post gave me a good laugh!
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Below are the FOllowing Updates, really quickies, of the Gloster Meteor.
Right click on these links and choose save target as. once you have them downloaded
take a looksee.
This short animation is showing very basic procedural texture mapping of one of my images
applied to the Gloster Meteor.
http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Simpletexplacment.avi (http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Simpletexplacment.avi)
http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Meteornotexture.jpg (http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Meteornotexture.jpg)
http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Meteorprodecuralbasic.jpg (http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Meteorprodecuralbasic.jpg)
http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Meteorprodecuralbasic2.jpg (http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Meteorprodecuralbasic2.jpg)
http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Meteorspectular.jpg (http://jbroey3.tripod.com/Meteorspectular.jpg)
The total time taken for the renders after setup: 1hour
As far as Voss is concerned, the more he(you) babble about the subject and provide nothing
to confirm your bashing, I suggest he(you) take a seat.
Also remember that by simply clicking on these links, you may not be able to see them due to
Tripod hosting features.
Enjoy or dont? :) :eek:
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It's rudimentary outline looks very similar to a Meteor, DeeZ. It's coming along very nicely. However, you claim to be an expert at this? No, that simply won't do.
When you get your Meteor to the point that it looks perfect, when you think it can't be improved upon, then and only then will I respond with my own work. So far, you don't even rate a critique. However:
Your rendering thus far looks about as close to a real Meteor as a over-painted plastic model compares to a real metal aircraft. In other words, it's a cheap copy.
I want to see an aircraft that cannot be distinguished from reality. True Photo-Realism should be your goal. I expect to see tread on your tires, cooling grooves in the disc brakes, oil smears on the engine nacelles, rivet lines in the appropritate places, stencils at appropriates sites, and flush fasteners nearly everywhere. I want to see a scale cockpit, that is accurate in every detail, and I want to be able to read the gauges.
I posted the partial panel to my P51-D in the appropriate forum. Just a few gauges to give you an idea what to expect. You still haven't found it.
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This thread is like looking at the red ant fight the black ant.
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LOL Voss, NICE try haha, Its pretty funny I have seen those images on a website www.3dcafe.com (http://www.3dcafe.com) quite a while ago. lol :rolleyes:
Those pictures have been used to compare a certain programs abilities with another called Brazil. lol :D and they have not originated from you lol.
I do think however that the Bottom picture could have been created by you, as it DRASTICALLY differs from the TWO pictures that you posted above as well as considering it is a 2D image.
You see, you seem to be playing a little game. How about you re-render the images showing only the wire frames of the scenes with your name embedded into the frame, possibly then I will belive that you created them lol.
Hey how about this, How about you create a simple ball, perform a boolean operation on the surface so that you leave an area of the object missing with your name imprinted.
This is very basic object manipulation through common 3d boolean functions, of which you should have no problem with at all.
Make sure that you dont ask friends to help either, if you know any 3d guys.
By the look of the Above images, although very very basic with the use of standard primitives, I must say the caustics and reflection is nice, thats about it though lol.
I want to see an aircraft that cannot be distinguished from reality. True Photo-Realism should be your goal. I expect to see tread on your tires, cooling grooves in the disc brakes, oil smears on the engine nacelles, rivet lines in the appropritate places, stencils at appropriates sites, and flush fasteners nearly everywhere. I want to see a scale cockpit, that is accurate in every detail, and I want to be able to read the gauges.
I posted the partial panel to my P51-D in the appropriate forum. Just a few gauges to give you an idea what to expect. You still haven't found it.
Now, this is where your giving your self away. ;) You see, A person that does 3d animation/Modeling would not only realise that this in todays state of technology, and although advanced, cannot be achived just yet. Also, you do not seem to understand/know what polygon counts are?
You see, in order to be productive, meaning having a polygonal mesh of what you are describing would require several crays linked together for even basic manipulation. lol
Can someone say 1,000,000,000 polys? per object? hehe
Do you even know how many polygonal faces/verticies are in those shots that you stole? :)
The Funny thing is, You seem to be confusing 2D with 3d in the image that you either manipulated, or altered in microsoft paint/paintshop pro. ;)
Anyway, post your Gloster meteor within the next 15 hours, along with a simple boolean operation and we can settle the debate. ;)
Cya in 15...
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last time i checked, this was the 'AH general discussion' forum, not the 'deezcamp and voss go at it while everyone else laughs at them' forum.
htc, it'd prolly be best to move this thread to it's appropriate forum or close it. no good will come of it.
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That's right DeeZ. I am the author of those same ORIGINAL works of art. In that realm I am known as "GrimDude" or "Grim." I have the original source code and all of the precursory work. They are my personal intellectual property. I don't need the assistance of any '3D guys,' as you call them.
Wire frames? LMAO @ DeeZ. This is not a simple modelling system where I use polygons, dweeb! In fact, none of the images I posted use any wire mesh obects at all.
You perfect your Meteor, as I suggested, and I shall respond with my P-51D.
You want me to re-render one? So be it. I think modifying one of those scenes will be easy enough. You won't like it, though.
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Voss, you're talking out of your A&&.
Daff
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ok
1. now that youve pretty much told each other you hold eachother in contempt why do you then care what either of you say about the others work?
2. Do you realise how childish this thread appears to those of us who dont do 3D modeling? and is it a bit annoying to realise this? :)
3. I dont like braggers and this is turning into 2 people argueing over which brag was better in their opinion.....please, who cares whos the best? voss you should be mature enough to not care what deez does! I mean is what deez is doing affecting you?/your work?/your wages?/your neighbours cat? :) sheesh
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I bet my real life modelling skillz would roXor your computer ones :D :D
working on a p-51 of my own, will post pics when done.
future plans are a 109G10 which I can go bezerk with the airbrush on, and another F-15 to add to the collection.
anyone know if there is a company out there that sells actual unit decals?
I live basically on Otis Air Nat Guard base, and the 102nd Ftr. Wing is based here. Remember those F-15s that were over the WTC immediately following the crashes? Those were ours. :D It'd be cool to get the actual unit numbers and art on the tails of the F-15s i build.
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"And all across the country, Creamo-wanna-be's use a new word, entered into Websters Dictionary: "Tard" Description being "anything derogatory that you want it to be, one of "Creamo-o-ness".
Whoohoo! Creamo's got a legacy!
This thread is up to 7 uses of the word Tard. Shouldn't he be getting some royalties?
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Like I said, my CADD system is better than yours! :)
(http://www-3.ibm.com/solutions/plm/prr/bb737.gif)
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WOW! :eek:
Do you work for Boeing?
another question. CAD stands for Computer Aided Design. What does CADD stand for?
One more question. How much does your CADD cost if I were to buy it?
Last question. Isn't that the Boeing that crashed in WTC. The 767?
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan ]
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Do you work for Boeing?
Yes.
another question. CAD stands for Computer Aided Design. What does CADD stand for?
Computer Aided Design and Drafting
One more question. How much does your CADD cost if I were to buy it?
Each work station here at Boeing complete with license is approx. $80,000 if I am not mistaken. I'm not in the finance end of the computers, so I'm shooting from the hip on this estimate (Word of mouth)
Last question. Isn't that the Boeing that crashed in WTC. The 767?
There were two, a 767 and a 757.
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Ok, I'm going to settle this conversation right now.
YOU ALL SUCK.
Thank you :p
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Amen SUPERFLY............. :rolleyes:
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Bastidge. Destroying my 5 yr olds ego like that.
;)
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Ripsnort cheated though. Because he didn't draw that. Many engineers layed that out ;) . Hey, Rip, how about some renderings of the latest Sonic Cruiser layouts? I won't send them to Airbus, I promise! :D
Nice pic.
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Sundog...You are correct! I do have a couple unofficial Soviet A/C I built on the system back in the 90's, a SU-17 and MIG 19, while I was in a very boring CATIA class :D I'd love to post them, but alas, they are nothing but a PICTURE FILE which is a virtually snapshot on a mainframe.
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Oh, FDSS, those numbers I quoted for CATIA were 1992 numbers complete with an IBM Unix box...today, I've been told by a IBM rep moments ago, it is much cheaper, under $10,000 for the software and license (renewed anually, fee)
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Bah amateur at best rip!
that doesn't even look like a p-61
:D
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Yeah, I'm talkin' out my bellybutton :rolleyes:
Rip, nice modeler. Too bad it sucks at rendering. Or does it? Can you get photo-realism out of that thing? I don't think it's intended for that, but correct me if I'm wrong. Hmm, how much did that program set Boeing back, anyway? <edit> Ooops, you answered that one.</edit> The rendering system I use is free to everyone. Of course, not everyone can learn to use it.
I have posted the modified image on the appropriate forum. In that this is beginning to take time away from my work on the strategy guide, and flying, I am off this topic until I finish.
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Voss ]
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(http://www-3.ibm.com/solutions/plm/prr/bchrys97.gif)
BTW, these are off their website, I cannot release any of the really cool stuff I have here at work... :(
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Incidently, these are fully functional models, meaning you can pull a parts list off the door assembly, or run it thru a virtual "fly thru", or run it thru a wind tunnel and see where your air resistence is going to be...or do metallic analysis to see what the impact of a 10 mph crash would do to a door panel, etc. etc....these systems are not made so much for "Graphical Entertainment" but more for the real things that you actually fly, or drive in.
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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Yes, you are talking out of your A&&.
I got 10 years experience in high end 3D & SFX and it's painstakingly obvious that you havent got a clue. Sure, you might have fiddled with some 3D (I seem to remember some socalled 'real time' pictures for TAS, with a nice fake lensflare), but that's about it...all I see you do is throw around a few catch phrases like 'raytracing' and 'procedural' like they were the do-it-all to realistic 3D. (Especially amusing since most film fx dont use raytracing).
Daff
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Daff, did you look in the Screenshots and Images forum? I DO know what I'm talking about.
Go soak your head.
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LOL, Voss!..yes I did...it just confirmed what I was saying :)
Daff
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Originally posted by Voss:
Snipped....The rendering system I use is free to everyone. Of course, not everyone can learn to use it.
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Voss ]
I know , you posted how I didn't have the capacity to use the program,, I believe you said cause it wasn't "point and click". Well Raypov was bundled Into Corel4 back in '93 or '92 ( the years slip by so fast, and 3d modeling had no bearing on my everyday workings) And i dabbled in it then, But moved onto other programs. Corel and Raypov went seperate ways after Corel 5, Corel is still about 400 bucks, and Raypov is FREE,, Hmmmmm wonder why???
BTW, I have Pixars 3d program still on CD, But that was way before they decided to get into the Movie industry :) Geezzz, I wonder how i got that program? Also My Embroidery program was 27K, Now I wish i knew how to use it since it's NOT point and click.
Oh, and did i say i can Airbrush? I'm not talking in the PC, I'm talking a "real" Airbrush. ( i can post 20 years of pics in the appropriate forum :) But it is "point and Click" :) I'm Not a plumber during the day and a "artist" at night. I've been self employing myself threw my art for over 20 years now :)
WHAT A RIDE BABY!!!!!!!!
Hey Rip!! My secretary's Hubby works for Boeing here in Philly. Works on the gyro-birdies.
Just thought i'd add my 2 cents, since This sounds like a rerun.
NUTTZ
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Its funny, in my previous profession (Still part of it, now I support it)..engineering drafters, "build, design Artists" recognized one another, complimented each others concepts, or work...grew together[/i], acted very maturely and recognized each others talents....
Here, in this thread, I see just the opposite. Why is that Voss? Daff? Anyone? Why is that?
I can only assume that they were "professionals".
Cool Nuttz! I like 'em helos!
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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"BTW, I have Pixars 3d program still on CD, But that was way before they decided to get into the Movie industry "
No..Pixar was never a software company..the software was always a by-product of their shorts (and later feature films).
Pixar still produce PRMan, which sofar is still the renderer to beat. I also believe they recently released a WinNT version of it. (At about $5000 per license).
Daff
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That may be so, I not sure about the workings of Pixars company. But it did make me do some searching in my shop. I found the Add-on box called "Renderman" ( dusted it off, and scanned it) I don't have my server software loaded on my work computer so i can't post the pics. ( i don't see any other company besides Pixars on any of the paper work) So my assumption was the software was theirs. I have the full program at home ( box has been gone for years). Their Tiff images for "skinning" are trully Awsome, I still use their images for background and imbedding everyday.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Daff:
"BTW, I have Pixars 3d program still on CD, But that was way before they decided to get into the Movie industry "
No..Pixar was never a software company..the software was always a by-product of their shorts (and later feature films).
Pixar still produce PRMan, which sofar is still the renderer to beat. I also believe they recently released a WinNT version of it. (At about $5000 per license).
Daff
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Originally posted by Daff:
LOL, Voss!..yes I did...it just confirmed what I was saying :)
Daff
Too funny!
Post something.
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http://www.hallmarkent.com/photos.asp?propertyid=57 (http://www.hallmarkent.com/photos.asp?propertyid=57)
Daff
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I dress myself.
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LOL, Daff! You are too funny! It's art, I'll give you that.
Nuttz, We are all aware of your talents with a 'real' airbrush. (yawn) Pov-Ray does not support airbrushes. That's what makes you despise it so. It's free, because from its very conception on Compuserve's 'GraphDev' forum it was decided that the source code and program would always be freely available to the public (public freeware). Pov-Ray is not bundled with a modeler. It is not intuitive, and it has a very steep learning curve.
Your continual deriding of Pov-Ray with the use of 'Raypov' indicates you are troubled in your inability to grasp this art form. I understand. It is not a hands-on system, you can't mold it with your hands, you have to use your mind. You have to be able to conceive of things in three dimensions. I thought you had this ability, in that you do so well in Aces High.
Where you make money isn't the issue Nuttz. You continue to interject an opinion on 3D modeling and art, when you have yet to demonstrate neither an ability, nor an interest in that direction.
Looks real good, Rip. It still falls short of photo-realism, though.
There's a lot of talent here, alright.
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I can't see the main forum. I have nothing to add, this is a good enough tard parade as is.
-SW
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I don't know why you added the "(yawn)" ?
And there ya go insulting my brain again...
I NEVER said I despised your program, I said it wasn't my cup of tea. You say "my" brain can't grasp something in a 3d art form? I thought you said 3d wasn't a form of art? Or is my dislecsia (SP) acting up again? I can see where I was trying to remember a bundled 3d art program from 1992 called RayPOV with POV-RAY ( which, BTW look very simular).
I just thought i would add my "adventures " with you also, since it seams your doing the same thing again to others.
IMO, i would say 3d modeling IS an art form.
BTW, Deezcamp I liked what i saw. But I wouldn't know a Meteor looked liked if it ran me over.
NUTTZ
QUOTE]Originally posted by Voss:
LOL, Daff! You are too funny! It's art, I'll give you that.
Nuttz, We are all aware of your talents with a 'real' airbrush. (yawn) Pov-Ray does not support airbrushes. That's what makes you despise it so. It's free, because from its very conception on Compuserve's 'GraphDev' forum it was decided that the source code and program would always be freely available to the public (public freeware). Pov-Ray is not bundled with a modeler. It is not intuitive, and it has a very steep learning curve.
Your continual deriding of Pov-Ray with the use of 'Raypov' indicates you are troubled in your inability to grasp this art form. I understand. It is not a hands-on system, you can't mold it with your hands, you have to use your mind. You have to be able to conceive of things in three dimensions. I thought you had this ability, in that you do so well in Aces High.
Where you make money isn't the issue Nuttz. You continue to interject an opinion on 3D modeling and art, when you have yet to demonstrate neither an ability, nor an interest in that direction.
Looks real good, Rip. It still falls short of photo-realism, though.
There's a lot of talent here, alright.[/QUOTE]
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This is starting to sound so hauntingly familiar.
Voss, cut your losses and run. Your choice. :(
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I spit coffee on my monitor... you bastard.
AKDejaVu
Somehow missed this. Hehe, return favor, you've made me do the same (as have most who post here regularly). ;)
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Well, I think Ripsnort is one of the k3wl3st dooods I've ever met on a message board! I think he was right when he said you shouldn't try to lower anyones work or effort. It all looks good to me. Remeber that a lot of people thought that Van Gogh's paintings were crap when he made em. Maybe it's cos I'm just crap at drawing or something... ;)
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Just look at this B-star packed cast...
Deezcramps! Vosstard! Squattingcluckcheeset1ngPrawn !!
"Those were the days my friends, we thought they'd never end...."
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Never saw this thread now thats entertainment.