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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kj714 on February 10, 2004, 05:46:46 PM
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Love that desert camo'd tiger. I am always surprised I don't see it more often. Why is it so unpopular? Fuel consumption is the only real weakness I see.
Also been riding P-51B a lot lately, very fun plane, just gotta get the hang of the flaps so I quit augering. It seems to like to flip the other way pretty easily for me. Any flap tips?
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Originally posted by kj714
Fuel consumption is the only real weakness I see.
A very important weakness for most maps, but I agree with you, C205 is an excelent fighter. We can add crappy views to the fuel issue.
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Sweet ride. My first choice for field defense. Short legs make it of limited value in other rolls.
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I just add that extra quarter tank, the speed and firepower make up for it I think. I got my squad flying it more, they all seem to like it too.
I tend to manuever around to see behind me all the time anyway so thats not that big a deal for me either.
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Originally posted by kj714
Also been riding P-51B a lot lately, very fun plane, just gotta get the hang of the flaps so I quit augering. It seems to like to flip the other way pretty easily for me. Any flap tips?
Ah! One of the better undiscovered rides. I've been racking up some pretty good scores in it.
In a nutshell, if you go nose down for more than 5 seconds, reduce throttle to half. If you go nose down for more than 10 seconds, reduce throttle completely and drop a notch of flaps (25%).
Keep an ear open for the "wind" sound effect. If you hear it, then you should be alert to your airspeed and be cautious about the airframe buffeting. If the airframe starts to buffet, reduce throttle and level out or go into a climb.
I set my convergence to 450 in the P-51B. Any farther out than that and I can't see the target well enough to aim anyway.
Remember, the P-51B will pwn the P-51D in a turnfight. The B-stang is lighter, climbs better, rolls better, and seems to turn better. But - make sure you have a shot before you squeeze the trigger. You can take snapshots but expect to land only a few shells in each pass. A few shells might be enough to weaken the airframe of the targeted D-stang enough that it will snap its wings if the other pilot pulls too hard on the stick (I've seen in happen).
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me favorite plane :D I get most kills out of this one...
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My ONLY complaint with this plane is the views.
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Thats two for views... I don't get it? I have no problem setting the views to my liking. I roll from side to side to see below and rarely use the deadsix view (cause nobody makes it to my six in a 205 :D) I hope you aren't using the default head positions :)
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The views are my only problem with the plane too. I can look around the side bars, but the two mammoth ones right in front of you make tracking and high-deflection shots extremely difficult.
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I hate breadsticks... :D
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How does the 51-b compare with the Spit 9 on turning, anybody done that engagement? That B has some good armor I think. I've taken some pretty good hits in it and kept on going.
Of course the 205 is great on perkie generation too. Not unusual to come back with close to 10 perkies for 3 kills. Not that I ever fly perk planes anyway. 1023 perkies, maybe I should take up a 262 tonight?
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The 51-b can hang with a Spit V for 1 or 2 turns using 1 notch of flaps depending on speed. Usually if the speed is high (320+) you will have a good chance of gettin in the killing shot. Once the speed drops to 270 or less the spit V becomes the better turning arcraft. Ofcourse the #'s increase above 15k.
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people will fly a 109 with the crapy view but not a 205 :rolleyes:
there is a big mis understanding about the P51B the D is better in almost everway the only being turn rate and better at holding E due to it being lighter
the D has a better climb rate look up the charts
the D has 6 guns vs 4 meaning snap shots are more deadly
D has way better cockpit then the B
i tend to think the B see's alot of use because its green and looks cool
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I love the Green Weanie....ain't been in it much due to being gone and trying to learn the 38. It's great for working on marksmanship, gotta be careful with your shots and conserve ammo.
Zap
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Originally posted by Joker312
The 51-b can hang with a Spit V for 1 or 2 turns using 1 notch of flaps depending on speed. Usually if the speed is high (320+) you will have a good chance of gettin in the killing shot.
So can the D ;)
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Originally posted by kj714
How does the 51-b compare with the Spit 9 on turning, anybody done that engagement? That B has some good armor I think. I've taken some pretty good hits in it and kept on going.
The D model is a better stall fighter than the 9 IMO, but ive only done 1 engagement with Taki on the deck, him a Spit 9, me in 51, took a few barrel rolls but the 51 came up as the victor in this particular scenario.
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I bet got 14.95 that says p38 can outturn a p51... ;)
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Originally posted by Sway
I bet got 14.95 that says p38 can outturn a p51... ;)
Would hate to take your money ;)
Plus the duel of my 51 and your 38 would just be another Deja Vu, since we both know who won these last time :D
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Well stop in tonight.. I would enjoy posting the results on here. Come take my money cutie.. ;)
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Originally posted by Sway
Well stop in tonight.. I would enjoy posting the results on here. Come take my money cutie.. ;)
We'll see after i get off of work which is 9 .. But like i said it would be Deja vu all over again.
But i dont usually go looking for fights, but i might just make an exception this time, since i know your gonna keep bothering me about this for a while.
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We are both lucky last time films are on my trashed PC. We were pretty equal in skill, and shot eachother down about the same amount of times. I will stay on tonight for you though. :D
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Originally posted by Sway
We are both lucky last time films are on my trashed PC. We were pretty equal in skill, and shot eachother down about the same amount of times. I will stay on tonight for you though. :D
Must be a different WT, as i remember it, best out of 5 duels,
3-0 in my favor.
But ok, ill try to make it..
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Originally posted by WldThing
The D model is a better stall fighter than the 9 IMO, but ive only done 1 engagement with Taki on the deck, him a Spit 9, me in 51, took a few barrel rolls but the 51 came up as the victor in this particular scenario.
You wouldnt have film on that WldThing??
I can't quite visualize this one...normally (for me) barrel roll is an E management move to force or avoid an overshoot not a part of a "knife fight"...then again I'm far from the top of the hill :)
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Originally posted by humble
You wouldnt have film on that WldThing??
I can't quite visualize this one...normally (for me) barrel roll is an E management move to force or avoid an overshoot not a part of a "knife fight"...then again I'm far from the top of the hill :)
O im sure i can dig it up humble, since i barrel roll in every stall fight to cause an overshoot. Throttle adjustments with barrel rolls work very well.
Give me your email addy and ill send one to you later tonight when i get off work.
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azhacker45@yahoo.com
Thanks
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Forcing the overshoot on the barrel rolls with Taki? Thats the kind of flying I'm talking about. I might be wrong, but it just seems like to me the b is a better little turnfighter than the D. Maybe thats just my impression because I've never been a big D fan anyway.
Anyway I'm getting better at hitting the flaps right at that correct moment to turn n go, instead of turn n auger or turn n flip like I was . B ride is good, I'd recommend it to everyone to try.
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No, because me beating you pony vs pony stands out clearly in my mind. Seems to me now your just trying to uphold some image, which will be torn apart after tonight anyways. :D
film will be rolling sweetheart... ;)
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Originally posted by Sway
No, because me beating you pony vs pony stands out clearly in my mind. Seems to me now your just trying to uphold some image, which will be torn apart after tonight anyways. :D
film will be rolling sweetheart... ;)
LOL ... I cant believe im actually gonna give in.. Before i actually take any of your smack to heart, only thing i will say is that i let my guns do the talking. Let's see if you can back up everything you've said with your own lead. GL!
I'll be there around 9:30-9:45 EST, maybe sooner.
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Originally posted by humble
I can't quite visualize this one...normally (for me) barrel roll is an E management move to force or avoid an overshoot not a part of a "knife fight"...then again I'm far from the top of the hill :)
rolling scissors.
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The reason the P-51 seemed to do it better then the spit9 is that it slows down faster. If you start the rolling contest fast enough, the spits exelent E retention will become it's disadvantage.
Then again, if the spit chops throttle and hangs in there long enough - the pony is toast.
Bozon
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>I'll be there around 9:30-9:45 EST, maybe sooner.<
Sounds like a good rumble!:D
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Originally posted by bozon
rolling scissors.
edit:
The reason the P-51 seemed to do it better then the spit9 is that it slows down faster. If you start the rolling contest fast enough, the spits exelent E retention will become it's disadvantage.
Then again, if the spit chops throttle and hangs in there long enough - the pony is toast.
Bozon
Better yet: screw the E burning P51, firewall the throttle, get some quick alt, and BnZ that cocky Pony :D
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9:35 .. I dont see your room there.
EDIT:
10:00 Nothing..
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10:30 ..
Thanks for wastin my night there..
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Opening room... had things to do, You'll get over it. ;)
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Originally posted by WldThing
The D model is a better stall fighter than the 9 IMO, but ive only done 1 engagement with Taki on the deck, him a Spit 9, me in 51, took a few barrel rolls but the 51 came up as the victor in this particular scenario.
If I remember right, you have fought him on the deck (and won) in P-47D-25 as well. Have film ?
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You try turnfighting a decent pilot on the deck with p47, and they are in a spit, your going to get worked. Spitfire turns circles around a p47.
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Originally posted by bozon
rolling scissors.
edit:
The reason the P-51 seemed to do it better then the spit9 is that it slows down faster. If you start the rolling contest fast enough, the spits exelent E retention will become it's disadvantage.
Then again, if the spit chops throttle and hangs in there long enough - the pony is toast.
Bozon
Boz...thats exactly what I'm envisioning...however thats a "linear" fight...i.e. ... the bogie is in your rear hemispere with a significant speed differential....or your in the bogies rear utilzing the move to minimize the e difference in preperation for a tracking shot.
Wldthing is pretty specific that this is a "stall fight" so I'm mentally picturing a slow speed "end game" situation vs a faster "E fight" senario...
I'm making the assumption that Taki is behind the pony...I can't see the sequence that forces him out ahead...vs simply taking the high ground and stomping on the ponies head...obviously the faster the fight the greater chance the pony has forcing an overshoot.
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Since when does God need a plane?
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Originally posted by humble
Wldthing is pretty specific that this is a "stall fight" so I'm mentally picturing a slow speed "end game" situation vs a faster "E fight" senario...
I'm making the assumption that Taki is behind the pony...I can't see the sequence that forces him out ahead...vs simply taking the high ground and stomping on the ponies head...obviously the faster the fight the greater chance the pony has forcing an overshoot.
Scratch that, i was in a P-47 D25 that particular fight. I must remember being in a P-51 some other similar duel.
I believe i have the film of this one, but im not quite positive.. When i get back from work i will upload 4-5 movies at once, then you can pick and choose which ones you would like to watch.
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>Since when does God need a plane?<
when he plays Aces High, numnuts
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Originally posted by WldThing
Would hate to take your money ;)
You mean you'd hate to take Rod's money. :p
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Originally posted by humble
I'm making the assumption that Taki is behind the pony...I can't see the sequence that forces him out ahead...vs simply taking the high ground and stomping on the ponies head...obviously the faster the fight the greater chance the pony has forcing an overshoot.
Happens to me all the time when I fly slow planes - my biggest worry is the target escaping from me, not me overshooting and that's the pit I fall into.
here's a simmilar situation P47D11 vs 109F4. I mistook him to be a G10 and lured him to sit on my tail. only when I got a good look at his spinner 100 yards on my 6 I realized my mistake...
The 109 pilot is good (shot me down a few times before) and we get locked in a decending rolling scissors, then flat as we reach the deck.
His only mistake was to break off the rolling scissors one roll too soon, which allowed my jug a few feet of alt to recover.
http://fire.prohosting.com/bozon/p47vs109f4_slow.zip
(LEFT click only, then save as)
Bozon
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Originally posted by DipStick
You mean you'd hate to take Rod's money. :p
LOL