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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weaselsan on February 11, 2004, 11:08:42 AM
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Having spent 30 years in the USN, from 1962 to 1992, and retired as a Master Chief Boatswains mate, I look forward to the political
process this year. John "Hanoi" Kerry is going to be a nice target.
I served two tours of duty in Vietnam aboard Destroyers (the dungaree Navy) I have a website on one
http://www.dd841.com
Kerry was the brown water navy, PBR's (patrol boat river) (gives new meaning to the term brown water navy). After throwing his medals in the dirt (belay that) someone else's medals in the dirt
he now has his hanging on his office wall, he has the gonads to attempt to pass himself of as a (gag) war hero. On the cover of his book is a photo of his buddies mocking the famous photo of the flag raising on Iwo Jima. There is enough quotes in this book
by Hanoi Kerry to last the Bush People the entire year.
(http://www.dd841.com/images/book.jpg)
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sounds like someone is jealous.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
sounds like someone is jealous.
ROTFLMAO...you must really be from North Korea
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I respect john mccains opinion alot more then yours. sorry buddy!
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If he'd admit that he threw his own medals over the lawn and not somone elses I'd at least think kerry is at least a man of covinctions. But no.....he didnt he claimed he threw somone elses and we all know the stunt was to further his political carreer so he could vote against most of the weapons systems that we have today that protect our US service men and the citizens that they defend.
My prettythang Rides In Navy Equipment
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If he was a republican with silver star, bronze star with 3 purple heart you ladies would be foaming at the mouth if anyone hinted anything negative about him...
Oh yea, did you notice that Bush stated he thought vietnam was a "political war" and he didn't agree with it ? F.....g commie lover, i tell ya !!!
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Whats wrong with doing your duty for country and then later not agreeing with it? You still did you duty, right?? If you do something and later in life dissagree with the circumstances, does that change the fact of what you did??
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Originally posted by kappa
Whats wrong with doing your duty for country and then later not agreeing with it? You still did you duty, right?? If you do something and later in life dissagree with the circumstances, does that change the fact of what you did??
Its because he's a war hero now out of convenience. He came home and said "WOW what a great band wagon to hop on and further my future political carrer"
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Its because he's a war hero now out of convenience. He came home and said "WOW what a great band wagon to hop on and further my future political carrer"
More now than say five years ago? I do not know the entire story. Is he a media claimed war hero or self proclaimed war hero? Or is it the fact that he does not deny it? Should he??
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Gunslinger, give me one quote from john kerry proclaiming himself a war hero.
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pfft
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OMG dont get into he said/she said BS on me here. My whole point is kerry is now very proud veitnam vet who once marched with communists and protested the war stating all the atrocities that he and his fellow GIs commited on a daily bases.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
Having engineered an early transfer out of the conflict because of his three Purple Hearts, John Kerry returned home to a sweet assignment as an admiral's aide in April 1969.
In October 1969, Kerry began to associate with anti-war protestor, Adam Walinsky, a former speech writer for Robert F. Kennedy
On Jan. 3, 1970, Kerry requested that his superior, Rear Admiral Walter F. Schlech, Jr., grant him an early discharge from the Navy so that he could run for Congress.
Kerry, a highly decorated veteran who seemed to be a clone of former President John F. Kennedy, right down to the military service on a patrol boat made 1970 bid for Congress in Massachusetts' Third District. Three-months later, when it became clear his opponent would get the Democratic Party nomination, Kerry dropped out.
Realizing that running for public office in Eastern Massachusetts as a decorated Vietnam veteran was not at that time politically correct, Kerry moved hard to the left, seeking a leadership position in Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a rabid pro-communist veterans organization.
IE WOW WHAT A GREAT BAND WAGONKerry attended a February 1971, VVAW conference bankrolled by Jane Fonda, the group's most prominent promoter. Over 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testified at a Detroit Howard Johnson's about wholesale rape, torture, and murder they claimed U.S. soldiers of committed in Vietnam. Kerry later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.
I could paste more but reading this is making me sick!
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LOL....I get one response from a guy from North Korea the other response is from Shang-ri-la....go figure.
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your getting away from the fact that you can be a hero and protest a war in this country. it is a democracy.
also dont forget that most americans opposed the war in vietnam by the end.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
ROTFLMAO...you must really be from North Korea
You're pretty close...Portland is as close to North Vietnam as you're going to get, politically speaking, in the U.S. Berkeley is a close 2nd...
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Originally posted by weaselsan
LOL....I get one response from a guy from North Korea the other response is from Shang-ri-la....go figure.
dont forget one from a jarhead. Are you the infamous weasle that got banned a while back that I've heard so much about?
your getting away from the fact that you can be a hero and protest a war in this country. it is a democracy.
Your getting away from the fact if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.....
If you march with communists and rub shoulders with hanoi jane fonda types......
I dont like these people. Someone who went to fight for their country should feel offended if they came back and wanted to protest and saw people waving the same flag of the poeple that are killing their fellow servicemen REGUARDLESS OF WEATHER WE SHOULD BE THEIR OR NOT!
One should be offended if at a rally they were chearing on Ho Chi Min.
One should be offended if they saw somone spitting on a GI who managed to survive a tour or got the million dollor wound.
Sure protest the war, by all means....but dont betray your country and your fellow service men while you're doing it.
If you're gonna do it....MEAN IT! Dont do it cause it furthers your political carreer.
HELL even if he came out and said "I only did it cause I wanted to bang this hippy chick I was seeing at the time" I'd have alot more respect for the guy!
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John "F,ing" Kerry???
Did you know he served in Vietnam?
The guy makes AlGore look elastic. Pesident Ted Kennedy Kerry?
No thanks......
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Originally posted by kappa
More now than say five years ago? I do not know the entire story. Is he a media claimed war hero or self proclaimed war hero? Or is it the fact that he does not deny it? Should he??
The media is claiming hes a war hero, heard this on National news last night and had a great laugh!
Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.
The North Vietnamese general in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry with helping him achieve victory.
In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. - according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North.
That's why, he predicted on Tuesday, the Vietnam War issue "is going to blow up in Kerry's face."
"People are going to remember Gen. Giap saying if it weren't for these guys [Kerry's group], we would have lost," North told radio host Sean Hannity.
"The Vietnam Veterans Against the War encouraged people to desert, encouraged people to mutiny - some used what they wrote to justify fragging officers," noted the former Marine lieutenant colonel, who earned two purple hearts in Vietnam. "John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands," North said.
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Kerry dose not need the pro vietnam vote. All 100 of you guys can go vote for bush.( who also stated vietnam was a bad idea)
Like i said, its the media trumping up kerry as a 'war hero'. while kerry has yet to make that statement. Or do little more then explain what he did during the war.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
dont forget one from a jarhead. Are you the infamous weasle that got banned a while back that I've heard so much about?
Nope not me ,must be another weasel.....
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From anAtlantic Monthly (http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2002_0827.html) article.
Most famously, he said: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
These were questions that fanned out across the republic like ripples in a tidal pool, stunning the folks on Main Street and chilling the senators to whom they were posed. And Main Street was stunned anew the next day, when roughly eight hundred vets many openly weeping others bellowing in rage flung their combat medals, grenadelike, over a six-foot-high fence at the foot of the Capital steps. For Kerry, who was already laying the groundwork for a political career, the decision whether to scatter his medals on the Capital steps was an agonizing one; in the end, he tossed his ribbons over the fence, along with some medals entrusted to him by two other vets who couldn't be there but kept his medals. Since 1984, when The Wall Street Journal first reported his ribbons-not-medals hedge, critics have painted Kerry's compromise as evidence of an opportunistic streak scheming, calculated, and wishy-washy during a time that was none of those things. Kerry has been bristling at the charge for eighteen years now. "I mean, I led that march, I stood up at the g**d*** thing, and I took my ribbons off my chest and I threw them over the fence," he said in 1996. "I was the last person there, the leader of the event."
There is NO question John Kerry is a patriot.
Does he love his country? YES.
Did he volunteer for the most dangerous duty in the Navy? YES.
Was he deep in the ****? YES.
Did he kill VC face to face? YES.
Did he risk his own life to save fellow American servicemen? YES.
Did he disagree with the War in Vietnam? YES.
Did he anguish over seeing his friends killed in a war we had no business being in? YES.
Did he do everything within his LEGAL RIGHTS to protest that war after discharge? YES.
Did the majority of the nation agree with his opinion of the War? YES.
Does John McCain (R) agree with Kerry on Vietman? YES.
Did he kill women and children as accussed by The Nixon Administration? NO.
Did he burn a flag? NO.
Did he pose with Jane Fonda? NO.
Did he spit on soldiers? NO.
Did he pull any strings to avoid going to Vietnam? NO.
(http://www.kerrygear.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/realdeal-button-tn.gif)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You're pretty close...Portland is as close to North Vietnam as you're going to get, politically speaking, in the U.S. Berkeley is a close 2nd...
No rip.... DPRK Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea
and a Green Town (Green Peace)
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Originally posted by Gunslinger
dont forget one from a jarhead. Are you the infamous weasle that got banned a while back that I've heard so much about?
Nope not me ,must be another weasel.....
Your name is weasel and your picture looks like a weasel... you must be a weasel!
Quack!
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Ooo...the politics are so thick in here you could cut them with a knife, make blocks, build an igloo, then melt it down and mint coins.
Bottom line...no matter what Kerry did, he's most likely going to get the Democratic ticket. It'll be Bush vs. Kerry for Decision '04.
As of late, neither canidate or any Democratic runner has sparked my intrest. So, I still have no clue who I'll vote for. It'll be my first ever vote...better make it count.
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Originally posted by rpm371
From anAtlantic Monthly (http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2002_0827.html) article.
There is NO question John Kerry is a patriot.
Now let's compare and contrast patriots...
Is it a documented fact that the Texas ANG harbored the sons of the rich, famous, and powerful in order to avoid sending them to Vietnam? Yes.
Did Dubya join the Texas ANG and avoid combat in Vietnam? Yes.
Did Dubya get paid for being in the ANG? Yep
Did Dubya get grounded from flight duty? Yep
Did Dubya do anything brave and patriotic while serving his country? Nope.
Did Dubya risk his life while serving his country? Nope.
Did Dubya earn any medals worth a damn while serving his country? Nope.
Did Dubya save any one's life while serving in the ANG? Yep - his own by not going to Vietnam - he surely would have been fragged!
Did Dubya eventually enter into politics after leaving the ANG? Yes....
Does that make him evil? of course.
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lmao I just had a revelation.. I could never figured why I was called a greenie.... lmao yea.. myhandsomehunk...
A green town near you is nothing more than a mary jane reference... Not green peace.. lmao silly me
thanks for clearing that up indirectly weasel..
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This gets better and better, yes it does. You guys are keeping my education alive. I've never laughed so hard in my life.
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There is A HUGE question if John Kerry was a patriot after the vietnam war.
Does he love his country? YES.
Did he volunteer for the most dangerous duty in the Navy?
seals had a more dangerous job. More Navy fighter pilots were killed or shot down than boat capts.
Was he deep in the ****?
YES. for 3 whole months!
Did he disagree with the War in Vietnam?
-YES. and he marched proudly side by side with people that waved the communist flag!
Did he kill women and children as accussed by The Nixon Administration? YES.
While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without prudence in a Free Fire Zone, firing at targets of opportunity racking up a number of enemy kills and some civilians-- a woman, her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South Vietnamese soldiers.
"It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever, the sight of that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there was nothing that anybody could have done about it. It was the only instance of that happening.
"Kerry said he was appalled that the Navy's ''free fire zone'' policy in Vietnam put civilians at such high risk.
Did he burn a flag?
NO. but marched proudly next to people who did
Did he pose with Jane Fonda?
NO. but went to events that she sponsered in Feb 1971
Did he spit on soldiers?
NO. but proudly befrended those that did
Did he pull any strings to avoid going to Vietnam?
NO. but pulled strings to get out of vietnam and the service all together
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"Did Dubya risk his life while serving his country? Nope."
I suppose planes never crash and our current guardsmen who are demeaned by your comments dont die for their country at all?
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We always had a fresh supply of Jane Fonda Photos to line the urinals in the head with. I'll have to print up some of these and drop them off in Mayport, It's not far from Daytona.
"Hanoi John"....Nice ring to it-
(http://www.dd841.com/images/tar.jpg)
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He looks like Alan Thicke in that picture...
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hehehe irony. Olie North says someone has blood of americans on their hands.... ain't that a riot :)
what next ? Enron CEO lecturing on business ethics ?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Did he kill women and children as accussed by The Nixon Administration? YES.
While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without prudence in a Free Fire Zone, firing at targets of opportunity racking up a number of enemy kills and some civilians-- a woman, her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South Vietnamese soldiers.
"It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever, the sight of that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there was nothing that anybody could have done about it. It was the only instance of that happening.
"Kerry said he was appalled that the Navy's ''free fire zone'' policy in Vietnam put civilians at such high risk.
Once again, you are spouting MISINFORMATION. I won't call it a lie because you have not researched the incident and are merely following right wing propoganda you have swallowed. If you read the Atlantic Monthly article (http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2003_1119a.html) the section entitled "The Bounty Hunters" you will see it was not Kerry or his crew that fired on the sampan but a CIA sponsored PRU. What was a PRU? It was defectors form North Vietnam that were paid a bounty for EVERY KILL.
The National Guard's role has changed DRASTICLY from what it was in the Vietnam Era. It is no longer a haven for those trying to escape combat.
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LOL this guy will be torn to shreads if he gets to run against GWB.
Wasnt he senior aide to Dukakis too or something like that?
hahahahaha
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Nice quote from "Hanoi John", most Americans are going to view this Idea as wonderful....LOL
Quote:
He supports a volunteer Army, "if and only if we can create the controls for it. You're going to have to prepare for the possibility of a national emergency, however." Kerry said that the United Nations should have control over most of our foreign military operations. "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."
Holy Chit..... General Kofee Anan.........
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So Gunslinger, Weaselsan, et al--so you military guys have no respect for a Silver Star of a Bronze Star w/ Combat V?
I mean, 3 Purple Hearts for only flesh wounds, well maybe he was just scammin--but how about the other medals? Simple explanation?
Nowadays we use the word "hero" for some lady whose unit got lost and captured and that we rescued from a hospital. Do we use the word for a man like this, democrat or republican?
h
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Originally posted by GScholz
Silver Star ... Bronze Star with Combat V ... three Purple Hearts ... two Presidential Unit Citations ... National Defense Service medal ... yes I'm rubbing it in ...
Yeah, keep rubbing it in. The second he tries to play those medals, the republicans can play the Hanoi-Kerry card, and top it with images of him throwing his...er...sorry...someone elses medals in the dirt. That guy might just as well take a piss at the flag.
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Originally posted by Horn
So Gunslinger, Weaselsan, et al--so you military guys have no respect for a Silver Star of a Bronze Star w/ Combat V?
Medals mean squat.....I got a wall full...Hell, I got a Cuban Missile Crisis citation and I wasn't even there. Kerry got a few scratches.
What you non military types don't get is he is giving aid and comfort to the enemy while we are still there....you wanna whine about the war wait till we get back we'll help you....but wait till it's over.
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Originally posted by Horn
So Gunslinger, Weaselsan, et al--so you military guys have no respect for a Silver Star of a Bronze Star w/ Combat V?
I mean, 3 Purple Hearts for only flesh wounds, well maybe he was just scammin--but how about the other medals? Simple explanation?
Nowadays we use the word "hero" for some lady whose unit got lost and captured and that we rescued from a hospital. Do we use the word for a man like this, democrat or republican?
h
Kerry was given a Silver Star for an action on February 28, 1969:
When Kerry's Patrol Craft Fast 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he beached his craft in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from a hole not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled.
The boat's machine gunner hit and wounded the fleeing Viet Cong as he darted behind a hootch. The twin .50s gunner also fired at the Viet Cong. He said he "laid 50 rounds" into the hootch before Kerry leaped from the boat and dashed in to administer a "coup de grace" to thw wounded Viet Cong. Kerry returned with the B-40 rocket and launcher.
sounds like his crew got hit and hit back and he chased down a wounded VC Not too sure how bright it was beaching his craft havnt found were he got the bronze one yet but typical navy....the officer gets the medal...the crew gets adda boys!
BEFORE
(http://www.usvetdsp.com/ker_feb28.jpg)
AFTER [edit] it is quite obvious that this is photoshoped and I neve made any statements as to it being anything else [/edit]
(http://www.usvetdsp.com/kerry_vc.jpg)
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Originally posted by GScholz
There are at least two crewmen there with medals
Check out Sherlock Holmes...
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Originally posted by weaselsan
What you non military types don't get is he is giving aid and comfort to the enemy while we are still there....you wanna whine about the war wait till we get back we'll help you....but wait till it's over.
Sir, you obviously have NO CLUE what giving Aid and Comfort to the enemy means. Ask Oliver North, he is an expert on that subject. BTW, I am a "Military Type".
The Sir is used as a form of Civilian respect, Chief.
Very POOR photoshop job Gunslinger.
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Originally posted by GScholz
There are at least two crewmen there with medals ... and of course the inevitable photoshoped picture.
big difference between the Navy & Marine Corps Commendation Medal (16th highest in the navy) and the silver star (5th Highest)!
PS you cant photoshop the look on his face though and the disgracfull wear of the uniform......WAIT....I THAUGHT HE THREW HIS "RIBBONS" OVER A FENCE?
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Originally posted by GScholz
LOL! Hortlund can't argue any point in this discussion! He goes straight for the personal attack. :rofl
What's there to argue? A bunch of liberals coming in their pants over a democratic presidential candidate who has been in combat?
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(http://www.usvetdsp.com/kerry_vc.jpg)
Would you buy a used car from this man?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
(http://www.usvetdsp.com/kerry_vc.jpg)
Would you buy a used car from this man?
Yes.
Would I buy a used car from the man that posted a Photoshopped picture? No.
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I dunno if I would buy a car form this man but I'm sure of one single think :
I would fire without remorse a guy using photoshop so bad
it's more than smurfy.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Yes.
Would I buy a used car from the man that posted a Photoshopped picture? No.
I dont sell used cars so dont worry. I appologize if anyone had any assumtions (or lack of intellegence to tell) that it wasnt in fact a photoshoped picture.
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Yeah because we all know how the election will be decided on this BBS...
Perspective...its a wonderful thing. You should try it sometime. GScholaz
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Originally posted by GScholz
LOL! No, that you had to post a fake picture just shows how desperate you are! :rofl
that you think I would post such an obvious fake with the intentions of making people think its real makes you DUMB! That you would assume people cant take it for face value makes you even more dumb
LOOK its an obvious fake. I never posted it saying it was real or fake. I posted it because it represents exactly what John kerry did after vietnam. He represented the comunist agenda befor congress and the american people!
desperate...no...Kerry's record speaks for itself.
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The pictue is fake. Obviously
Whats scary to me is how complimentary the two primary elements are to each other in spite of the lighting.
Kerry couldnt take the presidency if Bush gave it to him. The guy is a stiff fake that makes AlGore look too friendly.
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Being anti-war and speaking out against the war = supporting communist agenda... I get it now!!
question because I have not read: Was kerry speaking of american government attrocities or actually naming names of fellow servicemen?? There is a difference imo.....
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Kerry is simply not a good alternative to Bush. The military record has nothing to do with it. Anything you hate about Bush domestically, Kerry will do times 10.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
desperate...no...Kerry's record speaks for itself.
I don't suppose you could answer the question:
"So Gunslinger, Weaselsan, et al--so you military guys have no respect for a Silver Star of a Bronze Star w/ Combat V?"
Or was your answer that anyone could get them and they are therefore not respected in the military?
h
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Actually MY response if you read it was this
Kerry was given a Silver Star for an action on February 28, 1969:
When Kerry's Patrol Craft Fast 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he beached his craft in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from a hole not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled.
The boat's machine gunner hit and wounded the fleeing Viet Cong as he darted behind a hootch. The twin .50s gunner also fired at the Viet Cong. He said he "laid 50 rounds" into the hootch before Kerry leaped from the boat and dashed in to administer a "coup de grace" to thw wounded Viet Cong. Kerry returned with the B-40 rocket and launcher.
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sounds like his crew got hit and hit back and he chased down a wounded VC Not too sure how bright it was beaching his craft havnt found were he got the bronze one yet but typical navy....the officer gets the medal...the crew gets adda boys!
I respect Mr. Kerry for his service in Vietnam. Were I draw the line is in his DISGRACFULL service afterwards. As far as medals go in the military most people dont respect the medals but the person wearing them. I've served my country for the last 8 years and have few medals to show for it but that doesnt mean I have never done anything really above and beyond, it means the right people werent watching me at the time. I could start a whole thread on it but that's a completly different subject.
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About this photograph. The Viet Cong flag was added as a back drop to J.F. Kerry to symbolize the aid and comfort he gave Vietnam's "revolutionary Communists" with his high profile participation in Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) demonstrations.
As a key VVAW leader, organizer and spokesman, Kerry marched in demonstrations where there was a clear presence and "abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government."
Kerry was a vocal supporter of the "People's Peace Treaty," a supposed "people's" declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong (Vietnamese Communist) peace proposals at the Paris Peace Talks as conditions for a United States retreat from the Vietnam War.
This communist Vietnamese flag fits Kerry well.
Correction "Hanoi John"
(http://www.dd841.com/images/tra.jpg)
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Weasalsan, other Viet Vets:
http://www.usvetdsp.com/main.shtml
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When later asked about the severity of the wounds, Kerry said that one of them cost him about two days of service, and that the other two did not interrupt his duty. "Walking wounded," as Kerry put it.
After his third Purple Heart Kerry requested to be sent home. Navy rules, he pointed out, allowed a thrice-wounded soldier to return to the United States immediately.
Commodore Charles F. Horne, an administrative official and commander of the coastal squadron in which Kerry served, filled out a document on March 17, 1969, that said Kerry had "been thrice wounded in action while on duty incountry Vietnam. Reassignment is requested ... as a personal aide in Boston, New York, or Wash., D.C. area.
AHH YEA....I remember the ol three scratches your outta here rule...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Weasalsan, other Viet Vets:
http://www.usvetdsp.com/main.shtml
I now have a new "Wacko Website of the Day".
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
sounds like someone is jealous.
Oh brother
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Originally posted by rpm371
I now have a new "Wacko Website of the Day".
TRANSLATION: Kerry is a hero leave him alone I choose to ignore the truth and this site is just managed by a bunch of evildoer vetrans who were baby killers in nam.
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Hes funny looking,we cant have a funny lookin President
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
TRANSLATION: Kerry is a hero leave him alone I choose to ignore the truth and this site is just managed by a bunch of evildoer vetrans who were baby killers in nam.
TRANSLATION: That site is just managed by a nut. Didn't you read the part about John McCain being a Communist?
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Hes funny looking,we cant have a funny lookin President
(http://richard.meek.home.comcast.net/KerryTank1b.JPG) (http://www.iconoclast.ca/images/aJOHNKERRY-KETCHUPBOY.JPG) (http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/the_many_faces_of_kerry.jpg) :rofl
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(http://awolbush.ctyme.com/images/helmet.gif)
It's fun to play dress up, isn't it Dubya?
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Other than the fact that GWB actually WAS a fighter pilot, you mean?
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in his own defense mike dukakis was in fact a tank driver at one point in time....not that I'd want him as president or anything. Those eyebrows alone are enough to scare the bajesus out of people
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anything on earth including micky mouse would be better than the deserting scum we have now.
one more combat vet for kerry here.
the medals are real there are lots of whitnesses unlike mr deserter bushes "service".
one deserter one brave man where is the choice?
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
one deserter one brave man where is the choice?
Sorry Dolf..... I'd accept the nomination but I'm already spoken for.
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I would prefer someone better than bush. kerry isnt it. His ted kennedy liberal politics are what will sink him in. Dean would have provided a better and more worthwhile fight for the office.
I regard kerrys service (along with hundreds of thousands of other servicemen that participated in the war for Vietnam) as valiant but I detest his outspoken aliance with supporters of North Vietnam while his fellow soldiers were still getting killed.
Kerry is a traitor, plain and simple -and deserves nothing but contempt.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
anything on earth including micky mouse would be better than the deserting scum we have now.
one more combat vet for kerry here.
the medals are real there are lots of whitnesses unlike mr deserter bushes "service".
one deserter one brave man where is the choice?
tsk tsk tsk....one cant keep up with current events.
Bush was never a deserter...READ THE NEWS!
Kerry earded a silver star for chasing down and killing wounded VC after beaching his boat. If a republican had earned a medal for that the libral press would be all over it. I'd rather have a pres that served his time in the guard than a guy who spent a few months in combat that went home early cause he got a few scratches than stood side by side with JANE FONDA known (but never convicted) traitor
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after listening to rush today i understand where you guys are getting all this hatred of kerry from. Man does rush just start making **** up and implying all kinds of lies whenever kerry is brought up.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
after listening to rush today i understand where you guys are getting all this hatred of kerry from. Man does rush just start making **** up and implying all kinds of lies whenever kerry is brought up.
Why would you listen to Rush? I thought only rednecks and idiots listened to Rush? I....
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
after listening to rush today i understand where you guys are getting all this hatred of kerry from. Man does rush just start making **** up and implying all kinds of lies whenever kerry is brought up.
This is a typical quote.....make all sorts of aligations but put no content to back it up. I dont listen to rush cause I work when he is on. I think kerry's record speaks for himself.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
tsk tsk tsk....one cant keep up with current events.
Bush was never a deserter...READ THE NEWS!
Kerry earded a silver star for chasing down and killing wounded VC after beaching his boat. If a republican had earned a medal for that the libral press would be all over it. I'd rather have a pres that served his time in the guard than a guy who spent a few months in combat that went home early cause he got a few scratches than stood side by side with JANE FONDA known (but never convicted) traitor
1. Bush was not a deserter...he just failed to show up for duty for a year. He had better things to do than serve his country while safely in Alabama.
2. This the same "Liberal Press" that tore Clinton a new one?
3. A photoshopped pic does not constitute "standing side by side".
4. Why not let someone shoot at you with an AK-47? It will only give you "a few scratches".
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Oh and frogboy thats LAWCobra not FBcobra
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Originally posted by rpm371
1. Bush was not a deserter...he just failed to show up for duty for a year. He had better things to do than serve his country while safely in Alabama.
2. This the same "Liberal Press" that tore Clinton a new one?
3. A photoshopped pic does not constitute "standing side by side".
4. Why not let someone shoot at you with an AK-47? It will only give you "a few scratches".
Reservists only have to show up for drill a for a certain number of days per yer. GWB met that requirment
Prove that its photoshoped
The guy didnt have an AK he had a B40 rocket launcher...was wounded....and trying to get away.
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No need to prove it's photoshopped. I have eyes. Don't you think that pic would be in every campaign ad against Kerry if it were real? Saying Kerry only had a "few scratches" is an insult to any man who served in combat. I would expect more respect from a Marine for a vet who did his duty. You don't like Kerry, you never will like Kerry and I will never change your opinion. Likewise, you won't change mine.
My brother lost his left leg in Vietnam after being wounded in a firefight, he also took part in protests to end the war after he returned. He was not a Hippie, Flower Child or anything other than a Vet that knew something was very wrong. He also disliked Jane Fonda and her tactics.
You see there are different factions that protested. People like Fonda, who wanted North Vietnam to win the war and people like Kerry and my brother who wanted us to withdraw our troops before any more had to die for a meaningless cause. I don't know if you were alive during the war, but I was. I remember Walter Cronkite telling us nightly how many Americans died that day in South East Asia and that the war was a lost cause. I remember going to funerals of boys my family knew. I remember the night my mother learned my brother was seriously wounded.
The military in the 60's was not like Gomer Pyle, it was more like Full Metal Jacket. There was no reason for us to be in Vietnam. The "Domino Theory" of nations becoming Communist proved to be wrong, just as many belived it was. The Government of South Vietnam was corrupt, just as many belived it was. The tactics that were being used were wrong, just as many belived it was.The War was wrong, just as many of us belived it was. You can support our troops without supporting the reason they are there. You can do everything in your power to make sure they return home alive and no more have to go in their place. I can only conclude that you were never personally touched by that War.
I am very Pro Military, I am a Vet and I also don't think we should put American lives at risk for purely political reasons. I may not agree with the mission, but I back our troops where ever, whenever. Kerry personally knows the horror of War, Bush knows diddly squat.
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Keep saying that when the elite Delta snipers terminate you one night after Udie reports you. :D
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RPM...did your brother associate himself with communist who rooted for the north when he got home?
I feel for the vets....and I defend the protestors right to do so.
But to come home from a war and march with protesters that carry the same flag of the soldiers that took your brothers legg is out right WRONG! I'm no longer debating the fact that he was at these rallies...several of them. I'm no longer debating the fact that he rubbed elbows with jane fonda and associates. The reason why.....ITS TRUE.
Yes He honorable served his country in vietnam just like a million other vets. But when he came back.....well he betrayed the very same people that he faught along side. The reason why.....to get elected! That is a disgrace!
now digest all that and then take a look at his voting record. He voted against almost every single weapon system that protects this country today!
This is not just right wing propaganda....its FACT! Now after this post your gonna hear all about the national guard and bush and oil and this and that.....but I say give me a better canidate than bush....ITS NOT KERRY.
FACT: Most librals support Kerry cause he has the best chance of beating bush....not because his policys!
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I counter "Whalerführer Bastesen" with the librals savior!
(http://users.wi.net/~johnh/Captain_Capitulation4.jpg)
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Originally posted by Yeager
I would prefer someone better than bush. kerry isnt it. His ted kennedy liberal politics are what will sink him in. Dean would have provided a better and more worthwhile fight for the office.
I'm confused Yeager...didn't you say that Dean was a "non-starter" for you?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106318
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He looks like a horse...never buy a used car from a man that looks like a horse.
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I'm confused Yeager...didn't you say that Dean was a "non-starter" for you?
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Let me put it to you this way: Always shoot at the guy at the front of the pack :D
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Originally posted by Kieran
Why would you listen to Rush? I thought only rednecks and idiots listened to Rush? I....
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TOUCHE...........:rofl