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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BGBMAW on February 11, 2004, 03:51:37 PM
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Who would the terrosits and the HAters of America wan tto be President....
A Democrat..like the ones running right now ...or a republican style president like the one in now?
hmmm...thats tuff huh?
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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and so explain how does America SUPPORT SO MUCH of terrosim?
No government has done so much to support international terrorism as your current one.
so in less then 4 years..Presiden t Bush has grown more terroism then any1?
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I can't think of any other US administration or other nation that has managed to turn away so many allies, infuriate so many potential enemies,
You say that like it's a bad thing.
No more playing around with the bad people for us.
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so we should let Criminal World Wide nations continue to make..weapons systems to sell and deliver to any1?
let them continue to spawn generations of children teaching them they are not aloowed to live with other religions?
explain..how we turned away "so many Allies"
France? Russia?..please..
Russai...lmfao...comminists.. they have a great humananity record comapred to USA?
lmfao..
Who are we turning away?
Infuriate so many "potential enemies"??
Please list these people?/ Or u just wan tto generalize?
Incress Terroism world wide?..Ya..They are actually losing the war... Finances..getting hit..communcation..they are getting hammered..
Remeber the Gangster country Afghan..Taliban?...yep..there gone.. where can they now have these large training countries?...they are running out of room..
ALL thanks to Amercica..AnD our Allies.....
please answer these questions ...
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
so we should let Criminal World Wide nations continue to make..weapons systems to sell and deliver to any1?
let them continue to spawn generations of children teaching them they are not aloowed to live with other religions?
explain..how we turned away "so many Allies"
France? Russia?..please..
Russai...lmfao...comminists.. they have a great humananity record comapred to USA?
lmfao..
Who are we turning away?
Infuriate so many "potential enemies"??
Please list these people?/ Or u just wan tto generalize?
Incress Terroism world wide?..Ya..They are actually losing the war... Finances..getting hit..communcation..they are getting hammered..
Remeber the Gangster country Afghan..Taliban?...yep..there gone.. where can they now have these large training countries?...they are running out of room..
ALL thanks to Amercica..AnD our Allies.....
please answer these questions ...
Umm.. what?:confused:
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
so we should let Criminal World Wide nations continue to make..weapons systems to sell and deliver to any1?
let them continue to spawn generations of children teaching them they are not aloowed to live with other religions?
explain..how we turned away "so many Allies"
France? Russia?..please..
Russai...lmfao...comminists.. they have a great humananity record comapred to USA?
lmfao..
Who are we turning away?
Infuriate so many "potential enemies"??
Please list these people?/ Or u just wan tto generalize?
Incress Terroism world wide?..Ya..They are actually losing the war... Finances..getting hit..communcation..they are getting hammered..
Remeber the Gangster country Afghan..Taliban?...yep..there gone.. where can they now have these large training countries?...they are running out of room..
ALL thanks to Amercica..AnD our Allies.....
please answer these questions ...
Seriously, we did alienate a lot of the world by launching Operation Iraqi freedom. I'm sure AP Wire and such aren't all leftist propaganda generators.
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so you see more coverage of ...BOUSHH IS HITLER....
NO WAR FOR OIL..
blah blah....
the minority get more coverage..
and now you guys claim "we alienated alot of the world"?
funny Iraq citizens are much happier...
who in the world is up in arms about Iraq?
funny France-Germany-Russia..all were crying..but when its tiem to send out rebuilding contracts..they say..me me me
yep..
are you guys saying PETA..is the only group that cares for animals?
GreenPeace? So if you do anything that they dont like,...You guys call that alienating??
Wow..Liberals do just think with there Hearts...So much with Thinking with your brain...
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Drunk? Possibly.
Bigoted, Intolerant and Ignorant? Without a doubt.
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So our response after 911 should have been what? Are you guys suggesting the USA should have played french diplomacy and appease the terrorists?
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More anti-America twaddle from gscholtz. America may have pissed off some of our allies. The ones that count and that have always been closest to us remain so. Funny there is never any mention from the left of the new allies who wholeheartedly support us, Spain....Poland....Bulgaria as well as the traditional, Japan, Australia, Great Britain....Of course ticking off 6 countries off the top of my head represents unilateralism in leftist math.
Like Rumsfeld said, old Europe is showing itself to be more and more irrelevant in the War on Terror if it continues the head in the sand approach to the problem.
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Gsholz......
Would you mind answering a question...I am not trying to be "mean or ill-willed" I would just like your opinion....
What would you have proposed that the "current administration" in the United States had done?
Thanks....just looking for your opinion seeing that you dont live in the US.
Regards...
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I don't know about ticking off those countries still....... if it all came to the wire China has more soldgiers then we have bullets , if russia came into it we would never be able to make that many bullets or bombs, Germany has tank technology that is up to par with ours....russia has air technology that focuses on diffrent aspects then ours (they hae ground attack programs Su-37 is DEADLY) but could be impossible to handle in numbers......France.....welll ll........France has........uhhhhhhhhh......er rrrr............the maginal line?
So I wouldn't not go into the train of thought of "we should just F* them over for all time"
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BGB...Please Know when to say when. Wait I need to translate this so you can understand.
BGgGBb..pLeuze gknvw qhwlzn ta cays ghwlzn.
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Nod, usually for a country to fight in the war, they have to have the money and willingness to do it.
Most of the countries are lacking one or the other, some both.
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Originally posted by guttboy
Gsholz......
Would you mind answering a question...I am not trying to be "mean or ill-willed" I would just like your opinion....
What would you have proposed that the "current administration" in the United States had done?
Thanks....just looking for your opinion seeing that you dont live in the US.
Regards...
reasonable question. Done about what though?
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I can't think of any other US administration or other nation that has managed to turn away so many allies, infuriate so many potential enemies, and increase the support of anti-US terrorism world wide in such a short time as your current administration.
Gsholz....what would you have done after September 11th 2001?
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Gsholz,
How did the administration blow it with Iraq? Just curious...
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Originally posted by GScholz
By going against the will of the UN and the international community perhaps? Not gonna win many friends by saying "**** you all, we're going anyway! Might is right!" No, not many friends at all.
As I recall...
The world was in agreement that something needed to be done, and that ALL intel at that time indicated that Iraq DID in fact have weapons of mass destruction. Then 911 happened... We asked the U.N. to make a stand with us... They balked, hid, and cowerred... However, the Untied States had suffered the direct brunt of the International Terrorism you so laughingly dismiss. It was our sons, daughter, mother, fathers, sisters, and brother who died on 911... We were attacked!, Not you nor your country. We didn't need to have a coalition nor did we need permission - WE WERE ATTACKED AND WE WERE AT WAR.
As far as your rambling cliches go.... Have you ever paused to consider what we in the United States truly stand for? Have we ever invaded and conquered a single country that we kept? In WW2, the United States occupied almost ALL of Europe - did we keep it? Will we keep stay in Iraq? Do the Iraqi people want us to leave or are they still scared of their own government? WAR is never our first choice, but if we choose it, we play to win. Vietnam taught us that lesson.
Say what you will.... We are a peace loving people but we WILL ALWAYS stand up for what is right. If you choose not to, then that's your buisness - stay out of ours. :aok
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Gsholz,
You are entitled to your opinions.
Mine are these....Our country was attacked. We responded. We continued to respond by going against the Iraqi regime that was in power. The US Administration....with the approval of our Congress...went in to Iraq.
I am not 100% sure on all the reasons for going against Iraq...I do know this. The Iraqi regime has gone against every UN resolution since the end of the first Gulf War. Doesnt that make you a little upset that they would just thumb their noses at the United Nations?:confused:
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You recall incorrectly. That is no surprise however. I bet you even believe there were Iraqi hijackers on those planes, and that Iraq funded the operation.
Gsholz....I hope that above quote was not intended for me because that is WAY off base.
What did Iraq do to you? Why did you kill thousands of them?
Well as a personal matter Iraq did do something to me or rather 14 of my squad mates that died in the first Gulf War when their aircraft was shot down.
The UN didn't want this invasion, you had no right to invade them. The war was illegal and unjust.
Whether the UN wanted this invasion or not in my opinion is not the issue.
I do not know where the subject of legality came into question...as for unjust I do not agree.
There are times when individuals and nations go to war. There are many reasons for this.
I pose this question to you.....in the late 30's and early 40's there was a man called Adolf Hitler. There were many things that he did that were not quite "nice". Thousands of Jews were massacred because of this man's "ideals". Was it wrong for the United States to go to war against this man and his nation? I dont think so.
Fast forward to 1990 and 2003. There was a man and a regime that killed thousands of people in his own country. Is that right? In my opinion NO. Are the Iraqi people in a better situation because he is gone? I think so. Should anyone have let him go on and do that? I dont think so.
As far as just or unjust that is a question that can only be answered by you from your frame of reference.
Do I think that Iraq is in a better situation now than with the Hussein regime in power......Yes.
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America had unprecendented support after Sept. 11th. Unprecedented. The invasion of Afghanistan was supported right across the board as a legitimate response to an aggressive act against the US.
With Iraq, the US pissed it away. This quote from Robin Cook's resignation speech, former Foreign Secretary in Blair's government, pretty much sums it up:
"Only a year ago, we and the United States were part of a coalition against terrorism that was wider and more diverse than I would ever have imagined possible.
History will be astonished at the diplomatic miscalculations that led so quickly to the disintegration of that powerful coalition. "
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I find it amusing that there is no outrage of what your ally in this war against Terror, Pakistan, is guilty of.
Invading Iraq was to prevent WMD from falling into the hands of rogue states and terrorists. In the meantime Pakistan is selling off that technology to NK, Iran, Libya. Say you're sorry and all is forgiven.
This war is a sham when you allow your friends to commit acts like these while obliterating those you don't like.
What is S A guilty of that won't be dealt with as long as you need what they have? And I'm not refering to Oil.
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Originally posted by Nod
France.....welllll........France has........uhhhhhhhhh......er rrrr............the maginal line?
couple a hundred nukes dumbprettythang....
and France has been dealing with ARAB Nations way before your time.....
and you let someone with 0% experience in Foriegn Relations Dictate the line of conduct of countries who have had close relations(money owed to them..also known as interest)with these ARAB Nations....
Hence Gsholtz's Alienating your Allies comments....
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Dowding hit the nail on the head. 100%
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Wow....woke up to a great debate!
Gsholz....I personally dont think that the UN is on the "right" side of history at times. There are times that nations need to accomplish things that are in their best interest. If you take a traditional "realist view" on the subject you would have one view. If you take a traditional "liberalist" view you would have another ( not refering to the current Americanized form of liberalism...using the John Locke definition ).
My thoughts....being from the United States....not that this sways things in my opinion....Is that there have been COUNTLESS threats against the US from Iraq. Some of us have had the "pleasure" of flying over Northern and Southern Iraq in the "NO FLY ZONES". Do I want to get into how many times the Iraqi's have shot at me???? NO...would care not to relive that. However, I must point out that all of these incidents could be construed as acts of war. War against the UN for that matter. Do you know that there were coalition forces enforcing those UN mandates?
My point is this.....You, from my reading of your posts as obviously I dont know you as a person, feel that the UN has the final say in the matter....Is this safe to assume? I on the other hand, personally dont care what the UN has to say when it comes to the US dealing with its vital and important interests. That is something that our President and Congress have decided we must do....for reasons of WMD, war crimes, atrocities against humanity, etc ....whatever those reasons are they were agreed upon by the "administration" in the US....and whatever the UN says would not sway our decisions to do what we did.
Is that "right", is that "wrong", is it "legal", is it "illegal"....Like I have stated before it depends on your viewpoint. From mine I think the US and coalition forces did the right thing.
As far as Iraq being a better place now or before....that is a matter of opinion. You have yours and I have mine. I think it better without that tyrant in there. Just my opinion.
Here is another question for you and it is purely hypothetical.....
Suppose the country of Sweden decided to do something to your nation? They perhaps were making chemicals or nukes or giant killer rats with swords...LOL....but seriously...your nation felt 100% that you would be in danger. What would you propose that Norway do? Ask the UN for help? Perhaps the UN does not have all the information that Norway does? Perhaps there are some nations that like Sweden for reasons much deeper than purely political (cash?)? Now lets say you took this to the UN for a vote...hmmmm....the UN says 'OK Norway, I hear ya but I cant do anything without CONCRETE proof'. What do you do at that point? Remember you feel that your nation is going to be under some sort of attack. What would you do? Honestly do you give a crap on what the UN says when it comes down to your sovereignty or the fact that your daughter or best friend will be hurt or even killed?
I know what I would do.
Remember it is a frame of reference here.
Would it have been nice to have 100% of the UN on the Coalition's side when Iraq was attacked? Sure....Realistically I think that would not have happened. Do I think that all the nations in the world should agree on things such as war...sure...realistically though that is NOT going to happen.
When everything is said and done nations will do what they feel necessary....bottom line plain and simple. Do I agree with that...well it would depend on my frame of reference. I do have my thoughts on Iraq....was I happy that we went in there? Not particularly....I dont enjoy hanging my arse out to be shot down....however I do believe in my heart that the people of that country are much better off than had Saddam Hussein remained in power AND I support the decisions that my country and the coalition made.
As far as answering your question earlier about "what did Iraq do to me?" Here are just a couple of links....
http://members.cox.net/twosteppin/heroes.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/2514/spirit03.html
http://www.specialoperations.com/Memorial/spirit.html
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Originally posted by guttboy
Wow....woke up to a great debate!
My point is this.....You, from my reading of your posts as obviously I dont know you as a person, feel that the UN has the final say in the matter....Is this safe to assume? I on the other hand, personally dont care what the UN has to say when it comes to the US dealing with its vital and important interests. That is something that our President and Congress have decided we must do....for reasons of WMD, war crimes, atrocities against humanity, etc ....whatever those reasons are they were agreed upon by the "administration" in the US....and whatever the UN says would not sway our decisions to do what we did.
US is 1 country....
UN represents over 100 countries....
when the 1 Country tries to Dictate to the UN your telling 100 countries to go blow themselves....bad attitude in my book.
the world is my oyster....the world is getting smaller by the day....alienating other countries because of your so called interesting is called bad Diplomacy.
I'm a citizen of this Blue Planet we call Earth....don't alienate me because of your countries interest...Foriegn Diplomacy 101
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SLO,
The last time I checked it just wasnt the US involved with Iraq now was it?
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SLO,
Dont get me wrong either.....I do feel that we should all get along and work together but that just does not happen.
the world is my oyster....the world is getting smaller by the day....alienating other countries because of your so called interesting is called bad Diplomacy.
I agree with you but if your nation's interests are at stake you will do whatever you deem necessary to keep them safe.
I'm a citizen of this Blue Planet we call Earth....don't alienate me because of your countries interest...Foriegn Diplomacy 101
Again.....listen to what you are saying....look at the argument I gave Gsholz about Sweden...(please all you Swedes out there I am only using this as a HYPOTHETICAL example)....If Canada was in the same boat would you speak the same way?
Again....I FEEL that a nation will go to whatever cost to protect their interests.....whether that is right or wrong depends on your frame of reference.
Please dont take this as "standoffish or elitism" it is not meant that way....I just know that I have the RIGHT to do the things I do and say the things because my NATION looked out for its own interest and many times the interests of other nations.
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Originally posted by SLO
couple a hundred nukes dumbprettythang....
Hence Gsholtz's Alienating your Allies comments....
1. I was not including WMD, I was reffering if it came down to a actual war not a NUCLEAR WAR. As a country France does not have mass amounts of man power, or superior technology of tanks planes or bombs that i have seen.
2. I was talking if it came to a war, not international relations.
3. Gsholtz never said anything about my comments, but agreed that "By going against the will of the UN and the international community perhaps? Not gonna win many friends by saying "**** you all, we're going anyway! Might is right!" No, not many friends at all." thats the same thing I was saying in my first post.
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Gsholz.....
You are missing some of my points....this is where I wish we had a phone or could discuss this over a beer!
Ok here goes...
If you think the US invaded Iraq because Hussein was a bad man then you're fooling yourself.
I am not fooling myself...this is just one of the reasons that the coalition went into Iraq.
The African continent is littered with the corpses of the victims of far more evil men than Hussein, and those nations would require far less resources to deal with then Iraq did. If you think you were there on some crusade to liberate the Iraqis from Hussein then I'm afraid you have been duped.
Have not been duped.....I agree there are evil men in Africa and all over the world....HOWEVER, Ill be honest in my opinion here, those individuals were not in the US's interest. My opinion only.
Bottom line, the US does not have the right to police the world.
I agree with you, but there are times when men and nations need to stand up and do something....I am proud that the US has stood up in places where others may not have. I am positive that there are people who dont agree with this but I am also positive that there are people that do.
If Iraq was an imminent threat to US national security then it would have had the right to deal with Iraq. Now that it is pretty clear that Iraq in no way was a threat to the US it is also pretty clear that the US led invasion was illegal according to international law and the treaties which the US have signed. It is now equally clear that no treaty signed by the US can be trusted. I don't blame nations like North Korea for wanting WMD. After what you did to Iraq it is clear that mutual assured destruction is the only way to protect against US aggression.
I am sorry you feel that way. I feel just the opposite though. I do feel that the administration felt that there was an imminent threat from Iraq and they dealt with Iraq as such.
I am also VERY sorry to hear that you feel that countries should resort to MAD.
You have very strong opinions my friend as do I. I will not change yours and you will not change mine. I can say this....I am proud to live in this great nation of mine. Things may not be perfect at all times but I am proud to be an American. Having lived all over this globe and travelled to many places I must say I would want to be in no other place.
I will agree to disagree with you. I would also like to be able to sit down with you and have a beer....hopefully this world will NEVER come to a point where that is impossible to do.
Thanks for your sympathies I do appreciate them.
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Yeah....Ill take you up on that.....but promise me one thing......
We get some of that good EUROPEAN Beer! Good German or English stuff would suit me just fine!
I was up your way back in 2001 in July time frame sitting alert up in Iceland.....not that far away and infact we did some flying up north!
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Originally posted by GScholz
Bottom line, the US does not have the right to police the world. If Iraq was an imminent threat to US national security then it would have had the right to deal with Iraq. Now that it is pretty clear that Iraq in no way was a threat to the US it is also pretty clear that the US led invasion was illegal according to international law and the treaties which the US have signed. It is now equally clear that no treaty signed by the US can be trusted. Only time will tell if the graves of your fallen comrades will be tainted with the same stigma as those of countless other soldiers throughout history that fought on the wrong side.
Re-reading this thread makes me realize that ALL of us have our personal beliefs and perceptions, and they are very different. I don't view this discourse as constructive anymore as it is quite clear that our original perspective is different and unwavering. GS clearly thinks that America is an Aggressive War Mongering country and will not be swayed by anything anyone here says... Those of us on the other side of the argument are equally passionate and feel that those countries that didn't join us in the "War on Terrorism" chose the other side.
GS, I'd also ask that you keep the gloves up... Cheap shots like your Hitler/BigMax comparison only make enemies of people who shouldn't be...
Who wins this argument...............?
-No one!, So I agree to disagree.
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Wow.. looks like three posts since I started this one.... And my idea "agree to disagree" comment is no longer original. Dang you guys are quick.
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GS, you forgot the France's Main Weapon System.
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infuriate so many potential enemies, and increase the support of anti-US terrorism world wide in such a short time as your current administration.
Yes yes, we should coddle and appease potential enemies. I mean, Chamberlain had much success with this approach, shouldn't Bush?
Bottom line, the US does not have the right to police the world.
Yes we do. As the most powerful nation in the world, we have the right to do whatever we damned well please. Cry about us not having the "right" all you want. I mean, other than cry, what can an impotent anti-american do? Oh ya.. hey.. go blow up some civilians!!!
I will no doubt read it soon: GCholz, impotent homicide bomber.
Take it!
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Cloth seats? Pfffft, cheapskates....
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"that those countries that didn't join us in the "War on Terrorism" chose the other side. "
My countrymen are dieing to this day in the war on terror in Afganistan. My countrymen died by the hundereds on 9/11. The planes you were affraid to have in your skies went to canada instead on 9/11.
I myself have stood beside US service men all over this world.
Now I am a terrorist because I dont think and my countrymen dont think that the invasion and occupation and supperession of Iraq has anything to do with terrorism other then creating it.
All the reasons presented for the us occupation of that county have turned out to be lies.
All the US soldiers that have died there and the Iraqis they have killed have been for the lie of one small group of your population and their benifit.
You say any one that is not killing iraqis for you in Bushes invasion is a terrorist.
Is that really what you think BigMax.
The canadians that are dieing in Afganistan are terrorists?
It is amazing what kind of nonsense smart nice people can come up with when they just have to find some answer other then the obvios.
Servile obedience to the violent dreams of a group of aggresive despots that have suppressed your own freedoms is not admirable. And it hardly leaves you qualified to decide who is a terrorist and who is not.
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I for one have nothing against ANY country that chooses not to help the bush admin in its fight on terrorism.
It Is there right to conduct there foreign policy as they see fit and none of our buissness to tell them other wise.
I am for the invasion of Iraq for one reason and one reason only .
Old sadumb Insain laughed at every UN security council directive
Since the end of the first gulf war.
So he was in violation of soo much crap He deserved to be kicked out of office.
Not to mention all the crimes against humanity he is guilty of.
Hell someone had to do it and Im glad we did it!
But we as Americans can not expect everyone in the world to share our views on this.
Live and let live I say forget all the french and german bashing
for crying out loud.
There governments might have reasons we will never know why
that they chose to not help Again there RIGHT.
But in saying all that I will say I think It time to bring our people (troops) home for they have done more than has been asked of them already.
Screw Iraq screw Iran srew All of em Lets start taking care of America and Americans.
There something else to get mad at me about
:aok
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ya trouble for the facists is they had the U.S to deal with.
Take it!
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when the 1 Country tries to Dictate to the UN your telling 100 countries to go blow themselves....bad attitude in my book.
boy..u shure are a smart one..
why dont you list ANY UN resolution where USA was 1 vs all??..
Lmfao..
spurt-burp and run..the drool from your face makes me laff in pity..
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Too bad their ideology lives on in people like you.
Impotent leftist fools like you is what raises the hatred of the US in many Eurowimp countries. You won't face your own jealousy over the fact that your country has little or no impact on world events. You hide your feelings from yourself as well as the rest of the world with cries of "Facist" and "imperialists". Your country is basically a non-factor. Take it!
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Originally posted by Steve
Impotent leftist fools like you is what raises the hatred of the US in many Eurowimp countries. You won't face your own jealousy over the fact that your country has little or no impact on world events. You hide your feelings from yourself as well as the rest of the world with cries of "Facist" and "imperialists". Your country is basically a non-factor. Take it!
I'm pretty sure it's all noodle envy....
Just like that South Park episode with the Japanese toy company telling South Park men... "You have big noodle, Japanese have small noodle"
You Americans have BIG noodle...
You're PRESIDENT HAS BIG noodle HEAD...
Your WOMEN LIKE BIG noodle....
We Europeans have small noodle... so we wimpy and not go to war!
Saddam admire big noodle AMERICANS so he loose war to BIG noodle PRESIDENT.
All world admire American BIG noodle PRESIDENT.
BIG noodle MAKE GOOD WAR!
Happy war! Lots of Joy!
Oh you so lucky to have humugous noodle!
You lucky to think with such a big noodle.
We wish we had BIG AMERICAN noodle!
We admire American BIG noodle!
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That works for me.
Take it like a big noodle!!!
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affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination including the right to return and national independence and sovereignty in Palestine.
There has never been a State of Palestine. Why won't the Arab countries take in the Palestinians? Why do the Israelis have to give up land. You, like many other leftist whackos call the land "Occupied" . There has never been a Palestine... get it?
Independence? Sovereignty? Of what? Palestine? There has never been a country of Palestine. The Palestinians are squatters. Get it?
Take it!!!!
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Originally posted by Steve
There has never been a State of Palestine. Why won't the Arab countries take in the Palestinians? Why do the Israelis have to give up land. You, like many other leftist whackos call the land "Occupied" . There has never been a Palestine... get it?
Independence? Sovereignty? Of what? Palestine? There has never been a country of Palestine. The Palestinians are squatters. Get it?
Take it!!!!
even isrealis dont believe what you just wrote.
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Well it's fact. There has never been a Palestinian state, ever.
Unless you're Israeli, you have no idea what they believe.
Sorry you don't like it.
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Yes Steve, you are a big dick.
Blahahahah!!! Take it!!!!!! I'd rather be what you describe than some foofie girly man like you from some iconsequential has been country like all the Euro's are from. Your days are past.. Take it!!
You rail against your impotence because... it's all you can do!
Take it!
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these never has been a state in history known as Palestine.
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Palestine was an area on the map.. was it a State? Take it!!!
Why did the Arabs reject it? Why??
Blahahahaha!!! impotence must be frustrating.
You can do nothing!!!!
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Gscholz... your Anti-semitism is showing, Nazi boy.
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No, according to the map, the Nation of Palestine was right next to the Nation of Arabian Desert.
Hope that's not too simplistic GS.
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Originally posted by Steve
That works for me.
Take it like a big noodle!!!
Why you have BIG AMERICAN noodle on your Breath?
You no eat BIG noodle!
BIG noodle IS ONLY FOR AXIS OF EVIL TERRORISTS!!!
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I stand corrected. You can do something. After you've been beaten down in here because your arguments are lame and inaccurate, you can try to change my text at an attempt at insulting me. That this is all you can do speaks volumes of your impotence. Take it!
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Nakui, you're cracking me up dude.
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Originally posted by Steve
I stand corrected. You can do something. After you've been beaten down in here because your arguments are lame and inaccurate, you can try to change my text at an attempt at insulting me. That this is all you can do speaks volumes of your impotence. Take it!
noodle Nazi: "No more noodle FOR YOU! Come back 1 year!
pssst... Sienfeld soup nazi knock off!
:p
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Gsholz,
Where did you pull up the information on the resolutions and voting with the UN? I would like to do some similar research when I have a chance......
:)
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You're right G. There is no debate about Palestine. There has never been a Country of Palestine... fact. It's not debateable.
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The UN does a lot of condemning and "calling on"
Do they actually ever do anything?..take any action?
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One big one comes off the top of my head, Kuwait.. or did you think the U.S. did it ourselves?
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It was tongue in cheek G. Sorry.. subtlety is beyond your narrow reckoning, isn't it?
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hey Kernel Klink..
im still waiting you schmuck...
where is a 100-to 1 against US in Iraq? on UN Vetos..
where...
god you are dolt
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Originally posted by Steve
There has never been a State of Palestine. Why won't the Arab countries take in the Palestinians? Why do the Israelis have to give up land. You, like many other leftist whackos call the land "Occupied" . There has never been a Palestine... get it?
Independence? Sovereignty? Of what? Palestine? There has never been a country of Palestine. The Palestinians are squatters. Get it?
Take it!!!!
Steve you make a good a good point there
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again..where the F is your number of 100 to 1??!!!
ya..didnt think you could get a 100-1 against us..
so STFU
is thsi the same UN that has Iran on ther Human Rights Board?
Or is it the same one that has Syria on there WMD Prevention Board?
haha..dumb A
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Originally posted by Steve
Yes we do. As the most powerful nation in the world, we have the right to do whatever we damned well please. Cry about us not having the "right" all you want. I mean, other than cry, what can an impotent anti-american do? Oh ya.. hey.. go blow up some civilians!!!
I will no doubt read it soon: GCholz, impotent homicide bomber.
Take it!
So u'r saying that Germany as the most powerfull nation in Europe had the right to do what they want to do? To gas Jews and other non Aryans. U'r ideology is known as nazism at its best.
Fascists (like u) or fanatics (like extreme muslims, christians, jews) sick minded people represent the human scum thats responsible for harm hatred and inhumanity.
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Originally posted by Steve
As the most powerful nation in the world, we have the right to do whatever we damned well please.
I imagined Steve typing and laughing and saying "This will get a rize out of 'em"
and it did....
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
hey Kernel Klink..
im still waiting you schmuck...
where is a 100-to 1 against US in Iraq? on UN Vetos..
where...
god you are dolt
Dolt? GScholz? Did u ever reread one of ur 1798+ sophisticated posts BbGMaW? To call GScholz a dolt when ur name is BGBMAW is ... uhm .. funny (at most).
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Originally posted by GScholz
BGBMAW I never mentioned 100 to 1. That was you displaying your usual unfathomable ignorance. The highest ratio you can ever obtain in the UNSC is 14 to one, and you have done that in numerous votes.
BGBMAW was responding to SLO's statement that quoted the 100-1 ratio...
You responded to what you wanted to, not the intent of BGBMAW's reply to SLO.
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You're an idiot. Take it!
Blahahah hee hee hee! Turns out I was right about Palestine eh G?
Who's the idiot now? (Hey G. this is a rhetorical question, it's obvious that you are)
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Shhh Holden!!
Heeee!
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lol I get it. Gscholz is proven wrong(i.e. his Palestine position) then he puts his conqueror on ignore. Good thing there isn't a ball involved in our threads. Gscholz would take his ball and go home, stomping his feet all the way
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Steve, I'm guessing that people that have ignor lists actually still read the "ignored's" posts, but they have to press more keys in order to read it after they place the person on ignore.
The people that actually annouce who they put on ignore are the one's that probably still read the posts.
It's l a childish game they play IMO
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ahhhhh, so he takes his ball, but doesn't actually go home?
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
again..where the F is your number of 100 to 1??!!!
ya..didnt think you could get a 100-1 against us..
No 100-1s but here's a few of the more obvious "the rest of the world disagrees with us" General Assembly votes from 2002 (figures= Pro-Con-Abstain):
U.S. Embargo Against Cuba A/Res/57/11 November 12
173–3(US)–4
US joined by Israel and the Marshall Islands
Total Elimination of Nuclear Weapons A/Res/57/78 November 22
156–2(US)–13
US & India
Risk of Nuclear Proliferation in Middle East A/Res/57/97 November 22
158–3(US)–0
(Noting that Israel remains the only state in the Middle East that has not yet become a party to the Treaty on the Non–Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), calls on [Israel] to accede to that treaty, not to develop or acquire nuclear weapons, and to place all unsafeguarded nuclear facilities under the safeguards of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as a confidence–
building measure.)
The other 2 were Israel and Micronesia.
Rights of the Child A/Res/57/190 December 18
175–2(US)–0
Marshall Islands backing up the US there.
The Fight against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance and the Comprehensive Implementation of and Follow–up to the Durban Declaration and Program of Action A/Res/57/195 December 18
173–3(US)–2
Israel and Palau with the US on this.
Optional Protocol to the Convention Against Torture (DOPCAT) A/Res/57/199 December 18
127–4(US)–42
US joined by the Marshall Islands, Nigeria, and Palau
Here's an interesting thing about the staunchest supporters:
All Countries (By Voting Coincidence Percentage)
Palau ........................... 39 0 5 46 100.0% 100.0%
Marshall Islands .......... 47 1 4 38 99.4% 97.9%
Israel ........................... 63 5 22 0 98.3% 92.6%
Micronesia .................. 53 6 10 21 97.4% 89.8%
Source for vote figures & table: (http://www.state.gov/p/io/conrpt/vtgprac/)
KEY: Figures are (from left to right): indentical votes, opposite votes, abstentions, absences, Voting coincidence percent: including consensus, Voting coincidence percent: votes only
- confusing I know, but vBulletin doesn't have tabs.
Economic Aid (ex CIA factbook):
Palau - $155.8 million ; note - the Compact of Free Association with the US, entered into after the end of the UN trusteeship on 1 October 1994, provides Palau with up to $700 million in US aid over 15 years in return for furnishing military facilities.
Marshall Islands - more than $1 billion from the US, 1986-2002
Israel - $720 million from US (2001 est.)
Micronesia - under terms of the Compact of Free Association, the US pledged $1.3 billion in grant aid during the period 1986-2001
ex Nationmaster:
Palau economy: (http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ps/Economy) The economy consists primarily of tourism, subsistence agriculture and fishing. The government is the major employer of the work force, relying heavily on financial assistance from the US. Business and tourist arrivals numbered 50,000 in FY00/01. The population enjoys a per capita income twice that of the Philippines and much of Micronesia.
Currency: US Dollar
Marshall Islands economy: (http://www.nationmaster.com/country/rm/Economy) US Government assistance is the mainstay of this tiny island economy. Under the terms of the Compact of Free Association, the US provides roughly $39 million in annual aid. Negotiations have continued for an extended agreement. Government downsizing, drought, a drop in construction, the decline in tourism and foreign investment due to the Asian financial difficulties, and less income from the renewal of fishing vessel licenses have held GDP growth to an average of 1% over the past decade.
Currency: US Dollar
Israel economy: (http://www.nationmaster.com/country/is/Economy) Israel usually posts sizable current account deficits, which are covered by large transfer payments from abroad and by foreign loans. Roughly half of the government's external debt is owed to the US, which is its major source of economic and military aid.
Currency: New Israeli Shekel
Micronesia economy: (http://www.nationmaster.com/country/fm/Economy) In 1996, the country experienced a 20% reduction in revenues from the Compact of Free Association - the agreement with the US in which Micronesia received $1.3 billion in financial and technical assistance over a 15-year period until 2001. Since these revenues accounted for 57% of consolidated government revenues, reduced Compact funding resulted in a severe depression. Economic activity recovered in 1999-2001. The country's medium-term economic outlook appears fragile due to likely further reductions in external grants made under the US Compact funding.
Currency: US Dollar
I'm sure it's all just a coincidence and those lot are voting their conscience.
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GScholz...
Just putting it in context... I inferred that he was not speaking exclusively of the UNSC and you jumped on his "unfathomable ignorance" in the enumeration of membership in that body.