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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gofaster on February 12, 2004, 01:09:36 PM
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3 girls are late getting home and want to avoid punishment, so they concoct a story to explain their tardiness. But the story has to be believable... something that makes them helpless so that they were prevented from doing good no matter how hard they tried... something that happens in the news often enough that their parents will believe it... "I know! We were all attacked by a homeless man!"
California Girls to Face Charges for Lying
Two California Girls Arrested for Lying About Attacker Will Remain in Custody
ORANGE, Calif. Feb. 12 — Two of three 12-year-old girls accused of giving false statements that sent a homeless man to jail for eight months will remain in Juvenile Hall until their trial on conspiracy charges next month, a judicial commissioner ruled Wednesday.
The third girl could receive home detention after an evaluation by the Orange County Probation Department, Commissioner Michael J. Cassidy ruled. She could return home later this week, said her attorney, Paula Drake.
The three girls were arrested at their schools Monday on a felony charge of conspiring to falsely accuse 36-year-old Eric Nordmark, police said. One girl also was charged with one count of perjury. All three were taken to Orange County Juvenile Hall.
A pretrial hearing was scheduled for Feb. 20.
Last spring, the girls told police they were stalked and attacked by a transient in Woodbury Park in Garden Grove, 30 miles south of downtown Los Angeles. One of the girls later testified at a court hearing that Nordmark started choking her.
Nordmark, a self-described nomad who hitchhikes around the country, was jailed on seven felony and misdemeanor counts of assault and child molestation.
The charges were dropped and Nordmark was released after one of the girls confessed she and her friends concocted the story to cover for returning home late from school. Nordmark could have faced five years in prison if convicted.
One of the girl's attorney, Shirley MacDonald Juarez, objected to the commissioner's decision to keep her client in custody.
"I've represented known Crips gang members accused of assault who were given home supervision," she said.
Senior Deputy District Attorney Mike Fell declined to comment on Wednesday's proceedings because of confidentiality laws.
Meanwhile, Garden Grove police said an investigation into one of the girl's mothers, Veronica Mendez Ochoa, was underway because she did not come forward immediately after learning her daughter fabricated the story.
Mendez told the Orange Count Register she contacted authorities as soon as possible, but police Lt. Mike Handfield disputed her claim.
"When she found out, she sat on that information and let this guy sit in jail," Handfield said.
Mendez said her daughter had been a cheerleader and a member of the school chorus group. The preteen had also played the piano and the flute, she said.
"I just want her to come home," she said.
8 months is a long time for an innocent man to sit in a jail cell. I guess its a good thing (a) one girl did the right thing and eventually told the truth and (b) he wasn't charged with a capital crime punishable by death.
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well....all i have to say is KARMA!!!!
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Wow, the California legal system has some kahunas....wtg.
Crips, schnips...nice try minimizing by the attorney. Kids lie and get get someone else in the slammer...not cool. Let's see how they like it.
What's on today's schedule for "arts n crafts" ? License plates!
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The Salem witch trials were based on testimony from a select group of young girls....
Just an historical aside....
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Is it me or does everything in California happen in Orange County?
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Originally posted by Kevin14
Is it me or does everything in California happen in Orange County?
I spent six months there and came to the opposite conclusion: nothing much happens in Orange County.
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(quote)"I've represented known Crips gang members accused of assault who were given home supervision," she said. (quote)
I could see this situation ONLY if the home the gangbangers were remanded to was the lawyers. AFAIC defense lawyers should be responsible for their clients whereabouts and actions.
As for the 3 little girls in the situation, it is just a continuation of the sex assault problems in the courts now. How do you defend against a charge like this? It is word against word and the leaning is heavily in favor of the accuser. Tricky situation and I really see no easy way to figure out the conundrom. I know of no "occams razor" to use to determine truth in any sexual allegation including sexual harrassment in the work place etc.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The Salem witch trials were based on testimony from a select group of young girls....
Just an historical aside....
Yeah, that's the first thing that came to my mind as well. "This is just like Salem in the 17th century. (http://www.salemweb.com/memorial/)
January 20
Nine-year-old Elizabeth Parris and eleven-year-old Abigail Williams began to exhibit strange behavior, such as blasphemous screaming, convulsive seizures, trance-like states and mysterious spells. Within a short time, several other Salem girls began to demonstrate similar behavior.
Mid-February
Unable to determine any physical cause for the symptoms and dreadful behavior, physicians concluded that the girls were under the influence of Satan.
Late February
... Pressured to identify the source of their affliction, the girls named three women, including Tituba, Parris' Carib Indian slave, as witches. On February 29, warrants were issued for the arrests of Tituba, Sarah Good and Sarah Osborne.
...Frequently denounced were women whose behavior or economic circumstances were somehow disturbing to the social order and conventions of the time.
June 10
Bridget Bishop was hanged in Salem, the first official execution of the Salem witch trials.
Mid-July
... In an effort to expose the witches afflicting his life, Joseph Ballard of nearby Andover enlisted the aid of the accusing girls of Salem. This action marked the beginning of the Andover witch hunt.
July 19
Rebecca Nurse, Susannah Martin, Elizabeth Howe, Sarah Good, and Sarah Wildes were executed.
August 19
George Jacobs, Sr., Martha Carrier, George Burroughs, John Proctor, and John Willard were hanged on Gallows Hill.
September 19
Giles Corey was pressed to death for refusing a trial.
September 22
Martha Corey, Margaret Scott, Mary Easty, Alice Parker, Ann Pudeator, Wilmott Redd, Samuel Wardwell, and Mary Parker were hanged.
October 8
After 20 people had been executed in the Salem witch hunt, Thomas Brattle wrote a letter criticizing the witchcraft trials. This letter had great impact on Governor Phips, who ordered that reliance on spectral and intangible evidence no longer be allowed in trials.
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Just the important stuff. :D
Originally posted by Kevin14
Is it me or does everything in California happen in Orange County?
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I bet mr Hobo has no trouble getting a lawyer for a civil trial.
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Originally posted by Pongo
I bet mr Hobo has no trouble getting a lawyer for a civil trial.
Then he won't be a hobo no mo'.
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Best argument against capital punishment, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Best argument against capital punishment, IMHO.
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It might be, if it applied, which it doesn't, so it can't be.
:aok
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Originally posted by Maverick
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It might be, if it applied, which it doesn't, so it can't be.
:aok
Only because the truth (thankfully) came out, but how many people have been convicted of capital crimes then had DNA later exonerate them? It's not as rare as you think. And is a good reason to be opposed to capital punishment.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Only because the truth (thankfully) came out, but how many people have been convicted of capital crimes then had DNA later exonerate them? It's not as rare as you think. And is a good reason to be opposed to capital punishment.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/
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we had a simular story up here in the fall. luckly it didn't go near as far.
some high school girl skipped school to spend the day with some guy, and made up a story on how she was abducted from the bus stop, held captive in a house and repeatedly raped, to explain howcome she never made it to school.
the cops took the area she said she was in and the discription of the house, located it and raided it. taking down the door and cuffing the guy who lived there face-down on the lawn (in front of the family and niegbors).
luckly a smart detective took a look at some video coverage from a security cam near her bus stop and found she never even showed up there that day.
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Airhead, he was not accused of a capital crime. The death penalty did not and does not apply. Invalid comparison.
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Oh heres one better.
you go out on a date with a girl and you have sex alls fine.
You forget to call her the next day and she gets pissed.
She goes and cries rape.
Now your happy arse is sitting in jail wondering how did i get here?
It really is that simple fellas.
Be carefull who ya poke and dont forget to call them the next day LOL.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Airhead, he was not accused of a capital crime. The death penalty did not and does not apply. Invalid comparison.
No Mav, the similarities are different, but you're going by what I wrote instead of what I meant.
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:confused:
How can similarities be different?
:confused:
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Originally posted by Airhead
No Mav, the similarities are different, but you're going by what I wrote instead of what I meant.
Whoa.
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Here's sig material.
Airhead, the Salvador Dali of logic.
:p
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No Maverick, what I'm saying is,although the similarities are different, the circumstances are the same. And if you don't understand that then one of us needs to quit smoking pot. :rolleyes:
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Airhead, you've lost me.
Perhaps you should write what you meant?
The Death penalty did not apply here, can't compare it.
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Send them all on a cougar hunt with a pocket knife.
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I just believe Airhead is aluding to the fact, that we cannot be sure that some of our people on death row deserve to be there, or were ratted out for some story because someone didn't like them.
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I also feel that some cases are wrongly convicted. That only illustrates the fact that stronger evidence is needed to justify a verdict calling for death as opposed to the farce we have now.
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Originally posted by Ping
I also feel that some cases are wrongly convicted. That only illustrates the fact that stronger evidence is needed to justify a verdict calling for death as opposed to the farce we have now.
"stronger evidence?" WTF would THAT be? guilt beyond a SHADOW OF a doubt? Then nobody even gets convicted cause guilt and penalty phases of a trial are two different issues.
Ping, you're Canadian, which makes you insignificant. In fact if the National Game of the USA were hockey instead of baseball, football and basketball nobody would have ever heard of Wayne Gretzky... he'd have been a bushleaguer.
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I have a girl inb on 1-2. of may (in theory) so i dint wanna read what any of you said....just felt i had to reply anyway :D :D
*closing my ears and eyes to all future posts*
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Originally posted by Ping
I also feel that some cases are wrongly convicted. That only illustrates the fact that stronger evidence is needed to justify a verdict calling for death as opposed to the farce we have now.
I know I sure would hate to be on death row for a crime I never committed.
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Originally posted by Airhead
In fact if the National Game of the USA were hockey instead of baseball, football and basketball nobody would have ever heard of Wayne Gretzky... he'd have been a bushleaguer.
Man, not one Canadian defended their hockey honor? Oh well, it was worth a cast.
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Originally posted by mrblack
Oh heres one better.
you go out on a date with a girl and you have sex alls fine.
You forget to call her the next day and she gets pissed.
She goes and cries rape.
Now your happy arse is sitting in jail wondering how did i get here?
It really is that simple fellas.
Be carefull who ya poke and dont forget to call them the next day LOL.
Do like Dave Chappell recommended, make them sign a contract stating that it was consentual :)
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Originally posted by Maverick
Airhead, he was not accused of a capital crime. The death penalty did not and does not apply. Invalid comparison.
What do you think is more comfortable... 8 months waiting on death row, or 8 months with Bubba after being convicted of 3 counts of Child Molestation?
I hope these girls get a cell with Fisting Fanny (Bubba's sister).
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Originally posted by Ping
I also feel that some cases are wrongly convicted. That only illustrates the fact that stronger evidence is needed to justify a verdict calling for death as opposed to the farce we have now.
Ping i think the last time capital punishment was exercised was 1974. Which farce were you referring to?
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Hey, isn't the homeless guy one of those people certain members of this BBS believe should be torn limb from limb, rogered senseless in prison or at least be summarily executed?
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Send their parents to jail. Because 12 year old kids cannot probably be prosecuted like adults, then you have to prosecute the ones that are responsible for their actions.
SOMEONE has to rot in jail for this kind of false testimony, you can imagine what kinds of trouble that nomad went through in the prison for being charged of molesting 3 childs. If 12 year old kids cannot be held liable, then they cannot testify IMO.
Sex charges are the witch hunts of our times, because they require very little (if any) hard evidence. Just one biatch saying you raped her is usually enough especially if you two have been seen together. Rape has gotten some very special treatment from our society, because the women have got status of being equal to the men, but at the same time being innocent dummies that must be protected with bias.