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Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Citabria on February 15, 2004, 02:28:38 AM

every picture Ive ever seen of fighter planes and the pilots in them (in flight) shows they have jacked their seat up as high as it will go.

this trend is further verified by the natural tendancy of players to jack their own virtual seats up to get a better view.

further. putting the pilots eye level with the gunsight is an incorrect position for a pilot sitting straight up because at this level if they leaned forward to view through the gunsight the eye level would pass below the sight.

p51, p47 p38 you always see the pilots head quite near the top of the canopy.

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Flyboy on February 15, 2004, 08:34:53 AM

i think the reason we "sit" so low in the kokpit is brcasue they wanted us to be able to see all the instuments

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: acepilot2 on February 15, 2004, 08:43:27 AM

hmm...interesting post.

raising the seat would be nice, even though its fine where it is right now imo.

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: lazs2 on February 15, 2004, 09:17:00 AM

I agree.. would like to sit up higher.

lazs

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Widewing on February 15, 2004, 09:49:14 AM

Every U.S. fighter was fitted with seats that adjusted up/down and fore/aft. You can imagine that this was necessary due to the wide difference in height among pilots. One size didn't fit all. Seat height adjustment was mandated for all USN fighters in the early 1930s to provide for the best possible view of the carrier deck.

My regards,

Widewing

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: lazs2 on February 15, 2004, 10:07:43 AM

corsairs had like a foot of adjustment.   Only problem I could see is..... How would AH model it?   If you were flying around with your eye level above the sight.... there would have to be a "croutch" or "hunker down" command when yu used the sights huh?

lazs

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Shane on February 15, 2004, 11:11:50 AM

for ace and lazs... in the slight off chance you didn't know... you *can* "raise" your seat to get a better view by adjusting your head position.

some people do exactly that lazs, by having their view set up high (and losing the gunsight) and mapping another key or button to a lower view for firing with the gunsight in view.

lazs.. if you're still using the HTC default views, it'd go a long way in explaining your reluctance to do 1 v1's. :D

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Citabria on February 15, 2004, 12:27:52 PM

oops

this was an ah2 thread.

and I mean raise up the external mode 3d pilot model not the current head position limits.

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Citabria on February 15, 2004, 12:28:53 PM

lazs you didnt know about the adjustable views?

lol

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Waffle on February 15, 2004, 01:45:59 PM

one key - "gunsite view" before going to guns :)

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Octavius on February 15, 2004, 03:12:35 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2
corsairs had like a foot of adjustment.   Only problem I could see is..... How would AH model it?   If you were flying around with your eye level above the sight.... there would have to be a "croutch" or "hunker down" command when yu used the sights huh?

lazs

I already use that.  "8" key on the numpad.  It moves my virtual head closer to the gunsight and up a small tad for better clearance over the nose.

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: SOB on February 15, 2004, 03:14:34 PM

Heh, I didn't even know you could zoom the bomb site (or anything else for that matter), for the first six months I flew AH.  And it wasn't until the first con that I knew you could 'set' your view positions, although I managed to stumble across the movement keys.  RTFM, wha?

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: slimm50 on February 16, 2004, 09:46:31 AM

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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
one key - "gunsite view" before going to guns :)

Il-2 FB : shift F1 goes to gunsite view.

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: lazs2 on February 16, 2004, 10:10:20 AM

shane.. I use the adjustable views but you can't have one view that is way above the sight and then hit a button to scrunch down and look through the sight so mostly your fron view is limited by the sight.  u guys don't fly around with no sight...  I have a forward up view but if you adjust the seat in your normal view you lose the sight.

shane..  I fight one vs 1 all the time... I have fought you one vs 1 plenty of times...  I just don't go to a seperate arena to do it.   neither one of us is very good as I recall anyway... bout 50/50 on the results.

my normal front view is through the sights... you can only raise the seat so far and then you lose the sight.  my front/up view is just that.

lazs

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Shane on February 16, 2004, 11:00:28 AM

some people map a seperate button/key to toggle to that "scrunched down look thru gunsight" view.

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: TweetyBird on February 16, 2004, 11:13:27 AM

Why not just make a bigger sight  and in the front view, push the seat all the way back. It makes the view less restricted, and it doesn't change the size of the planes you're shooting at. All it does is make the instruments and gunsight smaller. Bigger gunsight (or bigger dot in gunsight) makes that less of a disadvantage.

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Citabria on February 16, 2004, 12:50:58 PM

lazs hold down the look forward key (numberpad 8) move the view all the way forward while holding down the key,

hit f10

you now have 2 forward view positions 1 gunsight view 1 normal position view (which i set to max height, i set gunsight view to the forward view key which i have mapped on my joystick)


hold down forward and left forward quarter numberpad  7 & 8 keys

move view all the way left and a bit forward hit f10

now hit the forward look button and the left forward quarter keys.

you now have an instant forward view that simulated the pilot moving their head to the side to view around canopy bracing or look down the side of the fuselage.

the permutations of this are quite extensive and by simply mapping the forward look key to your joystick you have a whole new set of view positions in addition to your normal views.

not many know about this. I found it by accident when messing with views long ago.

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: SOB on February 16, 2004, 06:15:27 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2
I use the adjustable views but you can't have one view that is way above the sight and then hit a button to scrunch down and look through the sight so mostly your fron view is limited by the sight.

Hit the HOME key, dümbass.  :)

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: lazs2 on February 17, 2004, 08:10:11 AM

thanks fester.. I see what you mean.   I have all my hat views set for best views but by using the 8 key you do get another set of views that can be set for highest head position looking forward...  looking back is not a problem since you set those for best view anyway with no gunsite to worry about.    So now I have three forward views instead of two.   Not sure how much I will use the other one but thanks.

lazs

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: GunnerCAF on February 17, 2004, 09:18:34 PM

I have a button (dogfight switch on the Cougar) to switch to my gunsight view.  As I get ready to fire, I flip the switch and it uses the gunsight view in place of the normal forward view.

Some other ideas:

Use one of the forward views for a heads-up view above the hatch in the tank driver position.    

In buffs with no gunsite, I use one view that lowers the head position to see all the insturments.

Gunner

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Midnight on February 17, 2004, 10:38:29 PM

In case you guys don't know, you can have something like 6 saved forward views, Home (no view keys pressed) and then 5 other saved ones made with a combination of view views pressed. I use a Cougar, and get all of these (plus every other possible view in all directions) by using 1 hat and the shift key

These are the keypad buttons to get each, and a description of where I saved my head position for each one.

{LOOK_UP LOOK_FWD LOOK_BACK} (5,8,2) - Look forward over the nose centered

{LOOK_FWD LOOK_BACK} (8,2) - Look forward close to the gunsight

{LOOK_DOWN LOOK_UP} (0,5) - Look forward sitting back (Wide View)

{LOOK_FL LOOK_BACK} (7,2) - Look forward over the nose on the left

{LOOK_FR LOOK_BACK} (9,2) - Look forward over the nose on the right

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: GunnerCAF on February 18, 2004, 07:34:19 PM

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Originally posted by Midnight
In case you guys don't know, you can have something like 6 saved forward views, Home (no view keys pressed) and then 5 other saved ones made with a combination of view views pressed. I use a Cougar, and get all of these (plus every other possible view in all directions) by using 1 hat and the shift key

 

Great tip Midnight!  I guess I have more stick programing to do :)

Gunner

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Midnight on February 18, 2004, 11:56:08 PM

If you want, I can send you my view setting section from my Cougar, or the whole thing. The way mine really works is with the "Coolie" hat and the dogfight switch. The Shift "Pinkie" is used for the shifted forward views.

With dogfight in center position, coolie looks in all directions around the aircraft, level.

With dogfight in up position, coolie looks in all directions around the aircraft 'high'

With dogfight in down position, coolie looks in all directions around the aircraft 'low'

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Furball on February 19, 2004, 05:13:26 AM

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Originally posted by lazs2
shane.. I use the adjustable views but you can't have one view that is way above the sight and then hit a button to scrunch down and look through the sight so mostly your fron view is limited by the sight.  u guys don't fly around with no sight...  I have a forward up view but if you adjust the seat in your normal view you lose the sight.
 

Map one of your joystick buttons (or just use) the Home Button.  Save forward view to however high u want it and then when you want to fire hit the home key or remapped joystick button. It will magically superdooperally move you to gunsight view.

I dont use it but i cant see why it shouldnt work for those that want to do it?

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: lazs2 on February 19, 2004, 08:54:15 AM

thanks guys but like furball... I probly won't use em all anyway... if I have time to use all those views I probly am not having a very good fight anyway.   I need to land or auger and find a good fur.

lazs

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Wardog on February 19, 2004, 05:28:03 PM

Cit.....

Stop your whining and wear your Moms Hi-heels.. Will go with that red dress of yours;)

Oh, greets bro..

Dog out............

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Citabria on February 19, 2004, 05:57:36 PM

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welcome back bro :)

Title: raise the pilots seat (and the pilot)
Post by: Mitsu on February 20, 2004, 04:16:41 PM

Wardog!!!