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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on February 16, 2004, 11:41:49 AM
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Just got this from an old military buddy. It had a signed name supposedly by the writer but I deleted it. I have no idea if it's true or not but I'll look into it.
Just thought it was kinda funny/cute. The power of advertising; commercial slogans become part of the lexicon.
From Afghanistan
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:43 AM
Story of the week;
So we are up in the mountains at about 0100 hrs looking for a bad guy that we thought was in the area. Here are ten of us, pitch black, crystal clear night, about 25 degrees. We know there are bad guys in the area, a few shots have been fired but no big deal. We decide that we need air cover and the only thing in the area is a solo B-1 bomber.
He flies around at about 20,000 feet and tells us there is nothing in the area. He then asks if we would like a low level show of force. Stupid question. Of course we tell him yes.
The controller who is attached to the team then is heard talking to the pilot. Pilot asks if we want it subsonic or supersonic. Very stupid question. Pilot advises he is twenty miles out and stand by. The controller gets us all sitting down in a line and points out the proper location.
You have to picture this. Pitch black, ten killers sitting down, dead quiet and overlooking this about 30 mile long valley. All of a sudden, way out (below our level) you see a set of four 200' white flames coming at us. The controller says, "Ah-- guys-- you might want to plug your ears".
Faster than you can think a B-1, supersonic, 1000' over our heads, blasts the sound barrier and it feels like God just hit you in the head with a hammer". He then stands it straight up with 4 white trails of flame coming out and disappears.
Cost of gas for that: Probably $50,000
Hearing damage: For certain
Bunch of ragheads thinking twice about shooting at us:...........Priceless!
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ROTFLOL!
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That's great! LMFAO........
What a sight that would be.
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Yeah that lancer is a badass. I remember watching the feed from Baghdad last year, various A-10s and stuff attacking. Then in one shot, I spotted a B-1 pulling out. The sight of that thing just made me instinctively yell "Holy *****", and that's halfway around the world, subsonic and on television.
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:)
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Saw one a few years ago at the Mirabel airshow..even subsonic it's wicked loud :eek:
loved it.
I don't care what anyone says...it's one sexy plane
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/505497/b-1b.jpg)
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Thank Reagan for the B1B bomber. :)
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My friend works on the lancers at Tinker AFB here in OKC, OK. When the Lancer did it's barrel roll at the OKC airshow 2 years ago, he was chaning warped sheetmetal on it for a week. Turns out the pilot did a 3g barrel roll at around 500' and 450mph. I saw the roll, it was quite amazing to say the least.
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two more nice ones :D
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/505497/b-1transonic.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/505497/b-1knifeedge2.jpg)
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I thought it was subsonic only?
But its a cool story and brings me back to the first time I saw afterburner cans lit up at close quarters at night. I think it must have been an F18, but could have been an F5a.
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Nah, max speed is mach 1.25
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Originally posted by Pongo
I thought it was subsonic only?
But its a cool story and brings me back to the first time I saw afterburner cans lit up at close quarters at night. I think it must have been an F18, but could have been an F5a.
B-2 is subsonic.
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think of the source hes 0 for 2 on military matters that can be checked.
mach 1.2 at 50k
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-1b-specs.htm
B1B speed/alt
600+ mph (Mach .92) @ 500 feet
825 mph (Mach 1.25) @ 50,000 feet
toads r/c club buddies are full of **** again.
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and yea thanks reagan for the useless gdamed thing. suprised we still have b-52s sigh....
http://coat.ncf.ca/air_show/links/background.htm
B-1 Lancer
It carries nuclear bombs and cruise missiles in three internal rotary dispensers. The B1A was first conceived in the late 60's as a replacement for the B52. President Carter killed it due to technical problems and huge cost overruns. Reagan brought it back, spending many more millions trying to have it redesigned as a subsonic, low level, penetration bomber. This created massive design problems because it was originally designed as a supersonic, high altitude, penetration bomber. Despite costing over $100 million each, the B1B was virtually obsolete when its first run was completed. Despite costing tremendous amounts of money, no one in the White House today is quite sure what to do with it. It is very popular at air shows.
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If the B-1B was in a dive it could break supersonic at sea level.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
think of the source hes 0 for 2 on military matters that can be checked.
mach 1.2 at 50k
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-1b-specs.htm
B1B speed/alt
600+ mph (Mach .92) @ 500 feet
825 mph (Mach 1.25) @ 50,000 feet
toads r/c club buddies are full of **** again.
http://www.jetplanes.co.uk/lancer.html (http://)
mach 1.2 sea level
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
and yea thanks reagan for the useless gdamed thing. suprised we still have b-52s sigh....
http://coat.ncf.ca/air_show/links/background.htm
with people like you, I'm suprised we have any military.
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Yep, this source says Mach 1.2 at sea level too. But for certain, most of these "published" numbers probably are not in line with what it can really do. They're conservative at best.
http://www.gailvin.com/planes/lancer.htm
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
and yea thanks reagan for the useless gdamed thing. suprised we still have b-52s sigh....
http://coat.ncf.ca/air_show/links/background.htm
B-1 Lancer
It carries nuclear bombs and cruise missiles in three internal rotary dispensers. The B1A was first conceived in the late 60's as a replacement for the B52. President Carter killed it due to technical problems and huge cost overruns. Reagan brought it back, spending many more millions trying to have it redesigned as a subsonic, low level, penetration bomber. This created massive design problems because it was originally designed as a supersonic, high altitude, penetration bomber. Despite costing over $100 million each, the B1B was virtually obsolete when its first run was completed. Despite costing tremendous amounts of money, no one in the White House today is quite sure what to do with it. It is very popular at air shows.
LOL, yeah, like I'm going to use the Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade (COAT) website as the truth, like you. LMAO! You are great entertainment, LDF, keep it up!
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
and yea thanks reagan for the useless gdamed thing. suprised we still have b-52s sigh....
So you want no b1 and no b-52's huh? Tell us what bombers you would like us to have then?? I bet you like the B2 then right? ( probably not )
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LOL! I'm 2/2 in military matters you obviously don't know anything about!
Best get over it, bile. The Mirages were passed on to the Saudis, not due to "racism" but for pure politics. Someday you'll read about it... or maybe you won't. ;)
As for this letter, look carefully at the third sentence in my initial post. Just count two periods and then that next ones's the one. Or you could just read the entire thread title if your train of thought can stay on the tracks that long.
Oh, btw.. how high are mountains in Afghanistan? You ever check? You know Mach is altitude dependant, right?
What happens if you exceed redline by a tiny bit in an airplane? Do the wings just fall right off or what?
Keep talking, bile. You do entertain.
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He's a complete idiot. He thinks the B1 only carries nukes? what a moron.
He wants no B-52 and no B-1.
I guess he wants the UN to protect us too.
"it is very popular at airshows" LOL!
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Originally posted by NUKE
So you want no b1 and no b-52's huh? Tell us what bombers you would like us to have then?? I bet you like the B2 then right? ( probably not )
(http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/hippy.gif)
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all three morons for the price of one
toad first lol you say you weren't shure then you claim to be right careful quibbling is still lieing so piss off.
also toad you still havent made you mind up about your last made up crap so was it confidential? ( as you claimed ) or not (as you claimed)? remember i was there and your "r/c club buddy apperently was not"
its the 500 plus post a while back your look your lie up.
next
nuke/boeing employee on company time
the b1 was designed to replace the b52. it didnt and is basicly useless thats why it was canceled twice. regan broght it back as a pork project. thats why we still have b52s.
it was sarcasm have somone else explain that to you.
yea both can carry nukes lol you didnt know that?
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blasts the sound barrier
This is the common myth about "breaking the sound barrier". It just flew supersonic over them. Any object moving faster then the speed of sound produces impact waves as it moves, this is what you hear/feel (hehe) as a "sonic boom".
My strange childhood experience: we had a country house on a beach of Finnish Gulf in mid-70s, it was a military college summer quarters and test ground, in Privetnenskoye near Zelenogorsk (Terioki), on the ruins of fort Ino blown up in 1918. I remember MiG-23s coming low from the sea right over our house, I could even see the pilot. Maybe no more then 30m high. It was horrible sound :) I am happy they didn't go supersonic over groung that low, or we should have changed window glasses every week :)
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
nuke/boeing employee on company time
wrong, nice desperate guess though. Im just an American that has a little logic......what do you claim to have?
I think you are a moron on Uncle Sam's dime, you probably are a bumb or just an ignorant kid.
Tell us what bomber system you would like us to have ? Any ideas military genius?
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How many countries have a bomber that can do what the B-52 can do LDV ? Are you saying the B-52 is obsolete?
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So far it looks like there's just one moron that's joined the thread.
Try reading again for comprehension; I haven't ever said it was true or false. I just pointed out a few things your... incisive..... mind may have overlooked. Like the relationship between Mach and altitude, the height of mountains in Afghanistan, the fact that all published specifications of military machinery may in fact understate capability and lastly the fact that a redline is just a line on an airspeed indicator; it's not a self-destruct mechanism.
I explained the Mirage intercept to you far more than necessary for a normal intellect to grasp. Go back and read them a few more times and the classified/unclassified aspect could possibly become clear to you.
Have a nice day.
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.92 is gonna be level cruising speed, not maximum airframe speed. The darn thing lights the burners at 20k and dives to the deck. Heck even a Me262 can break the sound barrier in a dive.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
B-2 is subsonic.
Ah. I thought that was what they removed from the thing between the B1 and the B1b, smaller engines or no afterburners or something. Anyway cool story.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
nuke/boeing employee on company time
When it begins to affect my performance, then maybe you should worry about that (See below, company policy) Meanwhile, you should work on your grammar and spelling. You claim to be of middle age, but my 8 year old spells better than you. Whats up with that? :confused:
“The use should not interfere with the performance of company business, the employees assigned duties, or the assigned duties of other employees and should not adversely affect the performance of the employee or the employees organization.”
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here are the quotes where you lied toad
toad said
"But I know a whole lot about what went on aboard the RC-135s on station and the AWACS with which they were co-ordinating.
And, again, you are simply wrong. Like I said, someday when the truth is finally unclassified, you'll find out USAF fighters were in position to down the Iraqis long before the Saudis."
then after he forgot about that he said
"I didn't say ANYTHING classified.
My old crewmates told me the flight of Iraqis got passed on to the Saudis. There's your facts."
dude is a loon. and seems to actualy know very little about security or how they actualy will come arrest you for spouting classified info. so again i say where did it come from? what is the guys name? we will indeed find if the law was broken.
liar.
p.s. what was the guys name? liar
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go get another prison tat and brag about your spelling there rip.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
here are the quotes where you lied toad
toad said
"But I know a whole lot about what went on aboard the RC-135s on station and the AWACS with which they were co-ordinating.
And, again, you are simply wrong. Like I said, someday when the truth is finally unclassified, you'll find out USAF fighters were in position to down the Iraqis long before the Saudis."
then after he forgot about that he said
"I didn't say ANYTHING classified.
My old crewmates told me the flight of Iraqis got passed on to the Saudis. There's your facts."
dude is a loon. and seems to actualy know very little about security or how they actualy will come arrest you for spouting classified info. so again i say where did it come from? what is the guys name? we will indeed find if the law was broken.
liar.
p.s. what was the guys name? liar
So where is the lie LDF? Point out the truth so that we may see the lie.
What a complete moron you are.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
go get another prison tat and brag about your spelling there rip.
Seriously, my grammar lacks and my spelling (IMO) is atrocious! But in comparison, I can't help to think that I'm dealing with someone who is
A) Very young, and didn't spend the time he should have in high school learning to read and write, and communicate thoughts.
B)Someone who did not learn to read and write until later in life.
By the personal attacks I see coming from you every other troll, er post you make, you must understand my position, no?
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Sure, Quibbler, one more time.
The methods that were used to detect the Mirages, the relationship between the RC and the E3 capabilites are classified. And I didn't say anything about those.
Someday, they will be de-classified and then the story will be told.
The fact that the Mirages were passed on to the Saudi's isn't classified, AFAIK.
Are you aware that there are time limits to classification?
I'm thinking I know way more about security than you do.
Your best and only move is spewing bile and insults. If you ever post anything substantive, I'm sure we'll all be amazed.
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LDV your reflexive hatred for america is worthy of clinical study..
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1. I so want that story to be true.. very cool mind picture.
2. Rip, not every story deserves a political twist.. sheesh.
3. Dolf... wtf?
4. I saw an SR71 do a flyby at an airshow once. It was the loudest most awe inspiring single plane I've ever seen. It made a slow pass, then it shook the ground on a faster pass, then he lit the burners and freaking disappeared... nearly straight up!
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Theres a book called "The 50 worst aircraft". The B-2 Spirit is in there. The author said it was due to the amazing cost of the aircraft, over 1 billion dollars per airframe.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Theres a book called "The 50 worst aircraft". The B-2 Spirit is in there. The author said it was due to the amazing cost of the aircraft, over 1 billion dollars per airframe.
No doubt pork barrel politics, but show me a military plane that wasn't about pork barrel. Besides, it kept the Russians on their toes, see that wall? Didn't think so..;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
By the personal attacks I see coming from you every other troll, er post you make, you must understand my position, no?
But Rip, in your own words on AGW, only these types frequent my forums :rofl
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Originally posted by LePaul
But Rip, in your own words on AGW, only these types frequent my forums :rofl
When you boil a pot of vegetable soup, eventually its reduced to a few dried vegetables. Psychologically speaking. :rofl
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the b1 is a worthless overpriced airshow wowwer. All we need are b52s and b2s.
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I would take 10 B1s over 1 B2. B2 is just too valuable to lose.
I am going off the assumption the B1 cost 100million, the B2 cost 1.1 billion.
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If I am not mistaken, Carter canceled the B1 program because the Have Blue program made it obsolete.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
I would take 10 B1s over 1 B2. B2 is just too valuable to lose.
I am going off the assumption the B1 cost 100million, the B2 cost 1.1 billion.
yea but the b52 can do the b1s job just fine. b2 is at least stealth
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
think of the source hes 0 for 2 on military matters that can be checked.
mach 1.2 at 50k
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-1b-specs.htm
B1B speed/alt
600+ mph (Mach .92) @ 500 feet
825 mph (Mach 1.25) @ 50,000 feet
We are up in the Mountains...................D OH.....Really not necessary to go supersonic to make some diaperhead crap something he didn't eat......
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Originaly spewed by LDV
B1B speed/alt
600+ mph (Mach .92) @ 500 feet
825 mph (Mach 1.25) @ 50,000 feet
toads r/c club buddies are full of **** again.
Average elevation of Afghaistan about 4000ft... A good number of the mountain areas we are fighting in are in the area of 10,000 feet...
(http://www.askasia.org/teachers/Instructional_Resources/FEATURES/AmericasCrisis/maps/afghanFULLele.gif)
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Guys, LDF never comes back. He's a drive by poster.
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Cool story. Even if it didn't happen as told, stuff like it happens often enough. If you think Air Force pilots don't enjoy showboating a little for the ground troops then you haven't been around many.
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Sorry if this seems like a silly question...but how did the crew of the B1 know there was nothing in the area from 20k?
Is the kit (I assume infra red based) on the plane so acute that it can pick out a lone sniper hiding in a cave or something?
Ravs
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No biggie,
Concorde used to do that every day over the Bristol Channel :D