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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on February 16, 2004, 12:59:16 PM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=13&u=/ap/20040216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civil_war_2
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Yep. We had one of those, IIRC.
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Oh, you mean the War of Northern Aggression?
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Do you mean the war of 'The south being a bunch of jerks'?
:D
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Well Chair, I read the Constitution but I never saw any "Hotel California" clause.
You know, "You can check out any time you like, But you can never leave."
You find one?
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Entry: Joke
Pronunciation: 'jOk
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yAcati he asks
a : something said or done to provoke laughter; especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist b (1) : the humorous or ridiculous element in something (2) : an instance of jesting : KIDDING c : PRACTICAL JOKE d : LAUGHINGSTOCK
Toad, would you like to help me define a standard tag to put behind all humorous posts that clearly identify it as a joke? If you feel it's needed, I might suggest something like:
[/JUST KIDDING]
or maybe we can go with more of a postscript approach:
{end-joke}
Of course, there are some other informal methods I've seen on other BBSs, such as:
roflololol kekekekekekekeke ^_____^!!!!!!!!
Any preferences?
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directed at toad
just as nothing specificly forbids it either.
except northern arms.
south carolina still hasen't surrendered by the way.
so by your logic they are still at war. but your logic is well known
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what is it about texans and morons?
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That is correct, Bile.
There's nothing that forbids a State from removing itself from the Union that I can find.
If you re-read my previous post six or seven times... you might need even more... you'll see that's exactly what I said.
Now do you want argue that Lincoln acted constitutionally when he forced the South back into the Union by the force of arms or do you want to argue that he acted unconstitutionally?
Just a heads up, this has been debated by some pretty learned folks for a long time. I don't believe either side has given up as yet.
And your South Carolina example is a red herring. Look it up.
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Originally posted by Yeager
what is it about texans and morons?
We decided that they should run for office.
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Originally posted by Yeager
what is it about texans and morons?
by that you mean Texans, and everyone else in the US?
:D
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Im proud that my great great grand daddy killed lots of hicks from the south.
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Grr..
Thought you were talking about the American Civil War!
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Im proud that my great great grand daddy killed lots of hicks from the south.
miko
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And South Carolina is home to one of the biggest U.S. Army bases in the country (Fort Jackson)....
...how ironic
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There is clearly a dispoportionate number of morons from Texas.
The national average is 76 morons per 1000 population.
In Texas the number is a shocking 479 morons per 1000 population. Must be those wide open spaces the Chixie Dicks sing about.
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The problem, Yeager, is that Cali sent us all of their Morons when they went tits up. Before the Cali invasion, the Texas level hovered around 5 morons per thousand.
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He's from some place called Dry Lake, and he calls us morons....... HA!
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A country having the opportunity to shape their own destiny is a terrible thing! This watermelon has gotta stop! Think of the children for jebus' sake!
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do america say " we failed and its not our mistake ? "
after year of occupation it should turn to civil war ?
if so, i would like to see someone hang on the rope in US
anyway friend of mine, whitch left to Iraq 14 days ago called me same.
situation is very bad there and presence of US make it worster day by day..
and if someone gonna tell me that its not true, tell me first, why US apply UN to be involved in transforming power ?
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Originally posted by maslo
and if someone gonna tell me that its not true, tell me first, why US apply UN to be involved in transforming power ?
Not defending Bush here, But The US did not want the UN involved, but the Europeans insisted and that is why they went to the UN.
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Originally posted by maslo
and if someone gonna tell me that its not true, tell me first, why US apply UN to be involved in transforming power ?
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because if the UN does not oversee the election , you europeans will call the new govt a" US puppet govt' and say the US rigged the election.
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ahh so it is not supposed to be related to current situation
Ok thanks for respond
so fact that current situation is getting worster is not officialy reason, why should get UN involved.
What is official attitude to progress in Iraq ?
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Orel, when were the first electons held in post-war West Germany? The Bonn Republic elections?
When was the treaty signed that officially terminated the United States military occupation of Japan and restored full independence?
Relax a while; great things take a long time and sometimes a lot of blood.
Our own Civil War lasted from April 12, 1861 until April 9, 1865. There were "hostilities" in some areas after that too. Just a bit under a million combined casulalties (dead+wounded+"other"). However, in review, that Civil War defined this country and what it would become.
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well Toad, that cool that your civil war took 4 years.
But i dont thing, that there is anything great on iraqi situation
I would note classify transformation by blood.
We send commie back home at 1989 w/o bloody part.
We spit into 2 countries at 91 w/o any single shot fired.
Of course we had no any foreigner army here
Blood doesnt impress me.
Well, but back to reality. I got phone call from my friend, Iraqi in Iraq, that situation there is way worster that few months ago.
He fear of civil war. No you can read in some news sutch statments. Well in my opinion something is not, as were planed in this bad joke. People should speak about possible voting and about future and they do speak about civil war instead. Well i know that election werent on US to do list, but it appear that everything is heading diferent direction.
Question is what would be scenario of "civil" war. Will they fight only each other or will they fight against occupants ?
and one more thing Toad
Iraq is country full of wel educated people, whith interesting potencial in resources. Not like Lyberia
So what do you thing about fact, that election werent on US to do list and its only one way to go, about tendence of security and latest news ?
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Takes fire to forge steel.
How many died in the Prague Spring rebellion? About 100? Didn't one of your parties just try to get compensation for the dead from that one?
Then Jan Palach and about 28 others too, right?
Oh wait... you're right. Bloodless. Of course.
And forget completely those that bled around the world from 1945 to 1989 trying to either stop the expansion of or roll back the Communism that you Czech's single-handedly evicted in '89.
You make me laugh.
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jan Palch and others were result of Russian occupation of 1968 (Prague Spring)
please note word occupation, whitch in our meaning doesnt mean "spreading democracy"
1989 were about 500 000 of people in the center of capital and russian didnt have enough political influence to do something about it , they had internal problems
So yes revolution in 1989, when russian were removed from power were w/o blood
btw jan Palach wasnt killed.
He commited suicide.
So im glad to made you laugh on facts, whitch you dont know
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There's a language barrier here.
I know Palach was a suicide; along with about 28 others right after him. These are people that protested the Soviets with their own blood. In other words, patriots. And once the Soviet occupiers were out, then and only then could you Czechs really have free elections.
As for what makes me laugh, it's YOU thinking that Czechs alone were responsible for the withdrawal of the Soviet forces from a Warsaw pact country.
You may remember a long struggle called the Cold War. At the end of it, the Soviets retreated from countries they had occupied. Places like Poland, East Germany...... Czechoslovakia...... well, you get the idea. It was a long expensive struggle, costing many lives and much treasure, that ended Soviet domination in Eastern Europe.
It wasn't a crowd of Czech's in Prague in 1989 that caused the Soviets to leave.
But hey, if you want to think you did it all by yourselves, go ahead. I need a good laugh.
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Just something to ponder:
According to Iraq Body Count as of 17/2/04, a minimum of 8,245 and a maximum of 10,089 civilian deaths have been counted since Iraq was invaded.
Deaths to Iraqi Armed forces are estimated 4,895 to 6,370*
Since the war began, 547 Americans and 97 members of other coalition forces have died, for a total of 644 coalition military deaths.
According to SH’s Iraqi Government, 1.5 million deaths were as a result of 11 years of UN sanctions, 600,000 of those children under the age of 5.
This is an average of 136,000 deaths a year due to UN sanctions.
According to these numbers, the deaths due to foreign influences in Iraq since the invasion has dropped from a pre invasion average of 136,000 to 17,103.
In the nearly one year since the invasion the death count has dropped by a factor of 8; a difference of 119,000 lives.
*not IBC, estimate of Iraq military deaths from CBC news
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Well Toad
1989 was possible because USSR were in total sh|+.
USSR army moved from our country in early 1990, few months after revolution. We were lucky, that they had no big army here in that time and political leaders 'allowed' it to happen.
anyway burning people arent so impressive here.
even now 15 years after commeis 5 people burned themself in last year as demonstration against something. 1 or 2 of them burned them self to demonstrate, that they do not agree with iraqi war.
Sutch people doesnt mean that much here.
Holden ... according to these numbers, you are lobotomized donkey. You should take your 5 plums and move to iraq, to explain them how good is current situation.
It will be almost 1 year after war and you claim that now die every month less people that in time of SH.
Man those people have no water, electricity, fuel nothing .. naga
and someone with very bad reputation there block reconstruction for almost year, because he want to make money
anyway toad whait mekas yuo fiil thet hare ist lunguage berriare ? :D
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Maslo, I just reported numbers.
Thank you for lifting the level of rhetoric by dismissing data with which you do not agree and issuing an unwarranted personal attack.
I did not make up the data.
The US government did not generate the data; some of the data (at least from IraqBodyCount.com) are quoted from sources openly opposed to military action in Iraq. The numbers add up as I wrote, I cannot make the mathematics behave in a different manner.
If you can refute the data I cite, please do so. I would like to know whether my web search was adequate.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
According to these numbers, the deaths due to foreign influences in Iraq since the invasion has dropped from a pre invasion average of 136,000 to 17,103.
In the nearly one year since the invasion the death count has dropped by a factor of 8; a difference of 119,000 lives.
*not IBC, estimate of Iraq military deaths from CBC news
ah
if this arent your owen words, then im sorry to call you like that.
Anyway master of theory whitch produced sutch theory is total madman
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Oh yes... being called a total madman is much more acceptable than being referred to as a lobotomized donkey..:rolleyes:
I was just pointing out that according to the sources I cite the death rate in Iraq appears to have dropped precipitously.
I have yet to find anything to refute this.
If true, I would look on the lack of 119,000 deaths this last year as a good thing.
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Anyone know what the Political situation in Haiti is?
All i've been seeing in the news is that there is strife.
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Toad: As for what makes me laugh, it's YOU thinking that Czechs alone were responsible for the withdrawal of the Soviet forces from a Warsaw pact country.
You may remember a long struggle called the Cold War. At the end of it, the Soviets retreated from countries they had occupied. Places like Poland, East Germany...... Czechoslovakia...... well, you get the idea. It was a long expensive struggle, costing many lives and much treasure, that ended Soviet domination in Eastern Europe.
Funny how a totally false and obvious lie becomes a dogma of the western history.
The Cold Was was not a war. It was a stand-off. There was no "struggle". The Soviet Union was nowhere near economic collapse.
The political leadership of the country has changed. They allowed the restraints to loosen and did not stop the distuptive and liberating tendencies. Was it great? Sure. Was it necessary? Not really. If Andropov did not die or someone else inherited the throne but Gorbachev, there could have been another 20 years of communism or 100.
Russia experienced a serious economic disruption after the breakup of the Soviet Union, made worse by injudicial monetary policies advised by westerners. Even at it's lowest point it was not dead or defeated. A tenths of a military effort it expended in Chechnya would have been enough to keep dominance of the Eastern Europe.
The westerners may not realise it but the chechens are probably the worst people on the planet to mess with.
Captive Eastern Eurpoeans got their lucky break and used it. Of course US stands ready to claim credit for that. What's new...
miko
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The grapes are really sour around here. Makes a fine whine tho.
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You guys are making the Soviet collapse really more difficult then it was.
They paid a lot of money for military. They ran out.
SIMPLE!
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No struggle, eh? Tell that to all those that died in the various wars.
It may have ended up being more monetary than military but struggle there was.
Without the opposition and the military spending it engendered, what pressures would have caused Gorbachev to get the nod?
It's not really germane anyway. Point is there's nothing the Czech's did that caused the boot to be lifted off their necks. If the Soviets hadn't wanted/needed to go, no Czech demonstration in the city square would have forced them out.
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Iraqi civil war will be inevitable. There is still a strong political divide. Unless one side can dominate the other completely, there will be strife, and strife will lead to aggression, and aggression will lead to civil war.
Just ask the Lebanese and Somalians.
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well gofaster.
if you will look at map, you will find one big country right next to iraq
many races and many religion groups live there
right now they have solid crissis of local politacl scene, many people left goverment
there is proper fight for power
but IMAO people there doesnt have mortality of iraqi
and there live aprox. 3x more people that live in iraq
btw it probably the only one country, where kurdish can speak kurdish, walk everywhere and they are respectfull members of that country.
true is that this country is the only one country, where kurds live w/o problems whitch you can see in Turkey or other countries, where US got involved.
why should people live in one country w/o problem and in other country right next to them, they should have civil war ?
2 reasons whitch came on my mind.
1. the cuontry where is supposed to be civil war is ruled by non-competent persons, w/o knowledge or respect for locals
2. damm it .. i forgot it
:D
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Anyone know what the Political situation in Haiti is?
Haiti is in turmoil.
Some people have taken arms and have taken control of a few major cities.
They are threatening to invade Port-aux-Prince if the president does not get out of there really soon.
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Originally posted by Yeager
what is it about texans and morons?
We can't stand 'em, is what it is.