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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: funked on August 22, 2000, 02:19:00 PM
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1. Any plane type you aren't currently flying.
2. Any plane higher than yours.
3. Any plane faster than yours.
4. Any plane that climbs/accelerates better than yours.
5. Any plane that dives better than yours.
6. Any plane that turns better than yours.
7. Any plane that rolls better than yours.
7. Any plane with more/better guns than yours.
8. Any plane more resistant to gunfire than yours.
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SPITFIRE!
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(serious post)
For me a dweeb plane is the one that enforces the dweebish moves over the wise ones.
For example, a F4U1-C is a plane that tempts the rider to do a HO instead of an E-conservative move, SpitfireIX is a plane that tempts the rider to do turnfighting on it instead of E-fighting (where it excells).
THose are, for me, the Dweeb planes. Planes that favour (and reward) dweebish actions over wise ones.
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To continue with RAM's theme of planes that tempt one into dweebish moves.....The 190A5 for its cross-controlling fish-flopping manuever. Some call it roll-rate induced warp.
Cobra
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And the 190 forces the pilot to warp roll to get outta trouble, hehe. You see Funk's point Ram?
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
VMF 323 Death Rattlers Web Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~bkapache)
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lol Cobra, same time, same thought.
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
VMF 323 Death Rattlers Web Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~bkapache)
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I have to say this again, true as it is, I may have to go to TA and film someone doing that, because I NEVER SAW THE SO-CALLED WARP ROLL (and noone has accused me of it).
I see regularly C205s jumping around but that never makes me impossible to kill them.
Please someone can go to TA with me and show what is a warp roll? I?ll film it.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-22-2000).]
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Hehe Funked..... no doubt.
But there aint no dweeb planes... just dweeb pilots. Pilots who make claims of this or that plane is a dweeb plane are especially dweebish. Pilots who make claims that someone flying in a dweeb plane just pulled a dweeb manuever are triply dweebish. I wish y'all would just shaaaadup about this dweeb stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I got my own criteria fer discerning a dweeb, and it mostly has to do with channel 1.
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HeHe, Good one funked, point well made.
I, for one am past the point of yammering on about other guys rides. Fly whatever the hell ya wanna fly.
If you shoot my 109 down flying the most uber plane in Aces High, ya won't hear this 'ol boy squeaking about it.
Only dweebs call other pilots dweebs because of the plane they have chosen to fly. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Gotta agree with you 100% Nash.
You can fly any plane you want on any side.
If the F5U is so hot, why don't you fly it? If the Spit is an Uber plane why not use it?
So far every plane seems to have some good and bad points, so why not fly the Uber planes if they are so good?
You don't like H2H with an F4U then don't fly in such a manner that you ever have to H2H one. The choice to engage or not is yours alone.
If the F4U is above you, I'd ask, why didn't you get alt before leaving a safe sector? If you don't leave a safe sector until you have 30K of alt, you can pick your fight. If you leave with less don't whine if a F4U H2Hs you.
You fly low, you lose options,and you may die, but not because the other dude is a dweeb in a F4U or a G10, but because you set yourself up for the possibility of failure.
If you start a fight co-E or at a deficit-E situation, it is your fault.
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AKFF, get a Fw190A8 and climb up to 20K. I will get a Me109G10 and go to 10K. Try to disengage.You'll see what happens.
Now stop saying nonsense, please. To climb a 100%fuel Fw190A to 30K will leave you with less than 50% fuel. I want to spend my time doing somethign else than sleeping over the keyboard.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-22-2000).]
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Ram, man I wish there was a way to show voice inflection on this thing. I was poking fun at ya my friend.
It just gets old hearing about all this dweeb stuff. I went thru it in WB when it was the spitfire, the p38, the f6f, the 109 guns too weak, the 190 guns too strong, on & on & on.
Some people just gotta complain I guess. One guy, think his name was Tac, that just quit, constantly complained about something. At least while I was online. He may be a good guy and all but constantly saying the P38 is porked just simply gets on my nerves when I see guys like Citabria or AKSWulfe fly the thing like crazy.
F4U HO's. I, if memory serves, have never been HO'd by a Corsair. I get my ho's from spits, N1K's and P38's. I specifically hunt Corsairs so maybe I can learn a little from another Corsair driver (actually I am 4 & 7 AH lifetime against Torque & I am trying to improve on it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) & simply don't recall an HO from one.
I don't know. I guess I just log on to AH to have fun & don't really care if I get killed or not by these "Dweeb" a/c. I spend enough of my time in the real world arguing with people about RL things as it is.
Have fun!
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
VMF 323 Death Rattlers Web Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~bkapache)
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"AKFF, get a Fw190A8 and climb up to 20K. I will get a Me109G10 and go to 10K. Try to disengage. You'll see what happens."
Well first of all I seldom fly Nazi aircraft, second why not take a plane that has drop tanks? Third at 30K I can run back to my team mates if I don't want to engage. The AVG was famous for gettin out of Dodge when the fight wasn't favorable, and no one in thier right mind would call them a coward.
The choice to fly a 190 is yours, the choice to fly at whatever alt you like to fly is yours. But your choice of aircraft and alt may leave you no choice in wether to engage of not. If that happens don't holler Dweeb, get in a different plane and fly it smarter.
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Nash got it right..
Funkeds points being,there are no dweeb planes,just dweeb pilots.
I HO, kill chutes, sheep & TOWD on the runway.
Ergo, this make me a dweeb, not the planes i fly!
Dog out...
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+:
Well first of all I seldom fly Nazi aircraft, second why not take a plane that has drop tanks? Third at 30K I can run back to my team mates if I don't want to engage. The AVG was famous for gettin out of Dodge when the fight wasn't favorable, and no one in thier right mind would call them a coward.
LOL...
First (following the argument in this thread):there is no nazi plane, but nazi pilots.
Second: because with DT you wont reach 30K, not in less tha 30 minutes.And I want the test to be one that can be run in less than one hour
Third: AVG could do it because they had Nates and Oscars under them. A G10 will catch you and open another hole in your butt.And on the "coward" thing, they were risking their real life, not a score.
The choice to fly a 190 is yours, the choice to fly at whatever alt you like to fly is yours. But your choice of aircraft and alt may leave you no choice in wether to engage of not. If that happens don't holler Dweeb, get in a different plane and fly it smarter.
Look, AKFF...happens that I fly the plane I want, not the one you think is right to avoid dweebs. Happens,too that if someone dives on me from 30K to headon me I'll call him DWEEB regardless what you say or think about dweebs or not dweebs. And I'll call dweeb the 1K shooters,too.
Because they are.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-22-2000).]
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Gents,
You are all wet. There IS a dweeb plane in AH. It has nothing to do with the testosterone level of the pilot either. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
The primary dweeb plane of AH is the C47. The views are limited, the roll rack sucks, there is NO wep, it will dive compress in a heartbeat and the HO's are absolutely terrible. The guns are WAY undermodeled and it takes forever to get to fighting alt. To top it off even a zeke can catch it at max speed. Now if you don't think this is a dweeb plane you haven't a clue. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Mav
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 08-22-2000).]
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OK I am getting old I guess what hell is AKFF??
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AKFF=AKfokerFoder...Its a quite long name and I was shortening it a bit (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Apache, I agree with you wholeheartedly. At least I think I do, Being a fairly new guy in AH, I am sure I do remarkably dweebish things often. Last night I was nose up at an F4U that was diving on me & thinking "Wow, I am gonna die BIG time" & I did. But I am here in AH to release a lot of tension that has built up thru the day, even when I die on flights (ok, not every time, sometimes I think it's a bit of a ripoff when I pulled a good manuever & still didn't get the guy, but that, ladies & gents, is the way it worked in RL too).
I have been called an "HO dweeb" for takin a front quarter shot that the other guy couldn't possibly get around on, a "spit dweeb" for out-turning somebody stupid enuf to get low & slow & an "alt dweeb" for using correct E-fighting to (well almost) kill somebody below me.
& I suck. Bonifide sucky pilot right now (gimme time tho)
So, be careful about the dweeb-calling. A lot of the time I see more skilled pilots calling less skilled pilots dweebs or even matched pilots having a catfight cause one of them lost.
<resisting the urge to say "shut up, play the game">
oops, failed to resist
Close by saying that I have never, in all the scant time I've been playing online sims, insulted or derided an opponent for killing me. To do so, would, I think, be the epitomy of loserdom.
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There are no dweeb planes, only dweeb pilots. An example:
During my 2 week trial, I was having LOADS of fun spying on enemy fields. I'd drive an M-16 out, find a nice garden spot and call the cons as they lifted off. Well, I'd been sitting near A3 for about 15 minutes when a 109 lifts off. I called it, and had a few replies from friendly drivers. The 109 promptly executed a nice wing-over and started a roll-in on me. I lined up my guns and started firing, only to get killed. I thought nothing of it until I read the name in the buffer. The guy who killed me swaped sides to do it! He'd been on our side 10 minutes before, but swaped sides just to get a kill. Instead of fuming over it, I simply informed everyone on Knights that this pilot, at A3, was a trator.
From then on I don't know what happened. I moved on to another field to raise Merry Hell with Bishops. Got a few kills from it too. But that pilot, and his actions, I will never forget.
Another example of odd behavior:
Seems the Bishops decided to try and take A6 back from Knights. There were only 3 pilots over the field, and they were screaming for help. I jumped over there and started playing GIC [ground intercept controller]. Every time I'd see someone about to get bounced, I'd give him a check-6 call. Fast-Forward 10 minutes. Now there's 20+ friendly pilots over A6, and the Bishops are literally coming in waves. I spotted a B-26 on a bomb-run. So I call out "B-26 ovr A6, NE of field" and expect someome to intercept the guy. No one makes a move.
5 minutes after that, I still can't figure out why no one went after the B-26. There was only 2 enemy fighters over A6 at the same time as the B-26. Someone should have nailed him. Ahh, well. Maybe they got confused. I've seen it happen before, no biggie. Now I see a B-17 coming in for a run, so I call a pilot who's in position to attack it "Hey, you turn around; B-17 on ur 6". I get as a reply "cc delta......stop commanding people". I logged out just after I read that.
My personal Dweeb list:
1: Swap sides for a kill
2: Pull nothing but Head-ons
3: Fire on chutes at any altitude
4: Refuse to reconnect if you're warping
5: Vulching non-stop at any field
6: Flying a B-26B, or B-17G, as a fighter
7: Flying an Ackstar
8: Whining every time you get killed in a surprise bounce
9: Not helping out a friendly pilot in trouble just because you don't want to
10: Failing to engage enemy bombers, or fighters, due to some self-proclaimed sense of superiority over other pilots.
None of the above can be excused. At least not by me.
Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
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"there is no nazi plane, but nazi pilots."
Any German plane with a Swastika on it is a Nazi plane. Sorry, but that is the way it was.
"Look, AKFF...happens that I fly the plane I want, not the one you think is right to avoid dweebs."
I never told you what plane to fly.
"Happens,too that if someone dives on me from 30K to headon me I'll call him DWEEB regardless what you say or think about dweebs or not dweebs. And I'll call dweeb the 1K shooters,too."
My my my a lot of Dweebs in the arena for sure. And I've just added one more to the list (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by flakbait:
1: Swap sides for a kill
2: Pull nothing but Head-ons
3: Fire on chutes at any altitude
4: Refuse to reconnect if you're warping
5: Vulching non-stop at any field
6: Flying a B-26B, or B-17G, as a fighter
7: Flying an Ackstar
8: Whining every time you get killed in a surprise bounce
9: Not helping out a friendly pilot in trouble just because you don't want to
10: Failing to engage enemy bombers, or fighters, due to some self-proclaimed sense of superiority over other pilots.
Great list, flakbait. I agree with it.
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My list of dweeb behavior (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
1. Getting on arena wide comms and whining.
2. Getting on your own sides comms and whining.
3. Getting on public a BBS and whining.
But that is only my own $.02 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Shuffles back to his cave.
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Webster's Dictionary:
Dweeb: Subcategory
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Dweeb Plane: See Dweeb pilot
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Dweeb Pilot: See Jigster
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Jigster : A dweeb plane is officialy so when a dweeb pilot by the name of "Jig" is flying it.
- Jig
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How many Spit XIV posts does it take to get to the hormone-crazed center of a luftwobble pop?
The world may never know.
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I love the fact that RAM will defend and say that the 190 is PERFECT in every way and there are no problems with it, but yet he will not waste anytime in pointing out that other planes have some small defects. <sigh> Keep it up RAM, it got you the 190A-5, maybe HTC will give you some other stuff too.
Wait.......why did I post this in THIS thread? Damn this Sprite must be getting to me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Don't forget the people who insist on posting "I killed you X number of times Vs your X number"...sounds alot like FA <Dweebs> to me.
Lars
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That's 'cause RAM's a dweeb Beefcake. Also, for posting in this thread, YOU'RE a dweeb! Wait...and for replying to you (among other reasons), I'm now a dweeb too! Dammit! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SOB
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hi all:
everybody has a list of makes a pilot a dweeb. as for those of you that call a pilot a dweeb for attacking you HO, well it takes two to HO, if you are turning, diving, climbing, or any thing else, and get killed HO, how is it this has happened, a HO comes from a distance, if your turning and boom, the guy did not HO you, he turned into you or you turned into him. you see the guy 8k away, you close so you can engage him, he see's you 8k away and close's to engage, now yopu have a HO, but is it only one pilots fault, is he the only HO dweeb, or are both pilots going for the HO and hoping for the best.
you see a plane low, you drop to engage, you miss your first pass and blow your advantage, you are now flying away from him, and he away from you, you both turn to contuine after each other, as you turn and he turns you end up coming at each other HO, who is the HO dweeb here.
I dont see how one person can be called a HO dweeb when it takes two to do a HO, a good example, a few nights ago some of us Knights where attacking a9, owned by the BIshop, i was in a 205 and saw a spit, i had alt advantage and when after it, the spit turned towards me to engage, now we where heading at each other HO, i still had alt advantage, i blasted him and down he went, i got the kill, now it was a pilot i dont like, and who does not like me, i was very happy about that kill. but he did not whine about the HO and i did not gloat about killing him as he tried to HO me, as he did not try to HO me, he turned and engaged me as i was coming after him. it ended up been a HO only because that is the angle of attack we both ended up on.
so as far as HO's go, you can not call a pilot a dweeb for it, as you can avoid it, and if you dont, then you must be a dweeb as well.
now some of you will have 1001 reasons as to what a HO is and how only one pilot did this HO, and i will be glad to listen to all your excuses and tell you why your just whinning that you got killed. i said it before and will say it again, it takes two to HO.
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wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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In this world there is something called "merge", wolf37...have you ever heard of it?
It consists on 2 planes crossing headon, but without firing.
Most fights here start with merges.
Now, some dweebs try to hit you before merging.
So no, it doesnt take 2 to headon.
Need more hints?
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Wow!
All this is still being debated. I haven't missed a thing...
-Heckel
JG2 (retired)
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Any German plane with a Swastika on it is a Nazi plane. Sorry, but that is the way it was.
Well, then there are no Nazi planes in Aces High. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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RAM you seem to have missed the point of the thread. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I am mystified by your denouncement of several historically viable techniques (e.g. head on shooting and turn fighting) as dweebish.
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RAM,
the only person who ever kills me HO when i dont HO hem myself is torque.
It DOES take 2 to HO.
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Originally posted by RAM:
In this world there is something called "merge", wolf37...have you ever heard of it?
It consists on 2 planes crossing headon, but without firing.
Most fights here start with merges.
Now, some dweebs try to hit you before merging.
So no, it doesnt take 2 to headon.
Need more hints?
Ram,
I like you, I really do, but that is just arrogant.
Also, in the mess that is the MA who the hell can take the time to have a nice clean duel. There are cons just waiting to swoop down on you. Get the kill, and get out!
Now I rarely HO, but I will do it. Most of the time I try to avoid it, not because I think its a bad move, but because it is a roll of the dice. If I'm base defending or just plain out of options, I will point my nose at anything I can.
I thought wolf laid out a nice post.
Cobra
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Ram always hijacks threads (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Now let's get back to talking about how much of a dweeb I am.
- Jig
Btw my wookie is bent.
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Ziggy u r a Ho (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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<--Biggest dweeb ever found in the game...remember the whole volcano and buff gun thing?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) im still proud of that
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"..he shoots fire out of his eyes and lightning bolts out of his arse..."
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RAM, have you ever read WWII pilots reports and seen just how many fights ended up as what we call HOs? In the Pacific the USN often tried to HO Japanesse planes (or at least "fake" a HO), due to the tendency of the Japanesse fighters to catch on fire. There are also many accounts from the BoB of Spitfire pilots and 109 pilots ending up in a HO when merging. You can bet both pilots NEVER even thought about a guns cold merge. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
That said, AH is a game where having fun is the primary reason for playing. (LOL imagine that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ) For me at least I have more fun trying to gain position on an enemy by employing superior E or BCM. Normally when I see that someone is going to HO me, rather than manuver for a shot on my 6, I'm happy. They are wasting gobs of E and giving me a shot where otherwise I wouldn't even have a chance. To me being HOed lets me know that the other pilot is not very experienced, and this is a good thing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Besides, can you honestly say that if you were attacked by a 202 when you were in a 190a5 that you would not accept a HO? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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FokerFoder+ (wonder what that "+" stands for (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) stop that Nazi plane crap please?!! About your arguments: we have no Swastikas at all - ok? Several other nations, which weren't part of the Nazi party flew 109s. (look out for my Swiss 109 markings thread!!)
By bringin up the Nazi term you implify that one who flies an axis plane is a Nazi symphatisant... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) stop that ok? Thank you
Kirin
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One thing is certain, its significantly easier to hit a target in AH than it was in real life... part of this probably has to do with the 'bubble' surrounding the aircraft in AH, if a bullet doesn't actually hit the wing it can still be hit if in proximity. Can't realy explain that very well.
And in real life it was unsual for an aircrafts wing to just be blown off, when I watch gun camera footage and reading accounts it was more common of the aircraft catching fire or flight control lines being severed and losing control. I wonder how many times in WW2 both horizonal stabs were shot off clean from an airframe...
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Well, after reading the entire post I can't resist replying: A lot of people, aircraft and tactics been called dweebish by now, I personally think that using the pro's of your ride over the cons of your adversary shows knowledge on your ride and good judgemental skills but that's all personal.
The only thing I really find dweebish in AH is the habit of lots and lotsa pilots to refuse risking their 'lives' for their country. It happens almost every MA session that a base is being vulched, everybody sees it, knows it and hears it and still refuse to come to the rescue. So you always end up with about three guys scrambling 30 times each and getting killed 29 times before they have cleared the say 15 bandits. And all the time noone even considers helping out, just because of their score (I think).
Same when a friendly gets bounced by let's say five cons, people run and won't interfere because they probably will die.
I love this game but the attitude of some people make me sick, it's about the fun, not the score, right?! If you're on a team the behave like it!
Oh yeah by the way, FlakBait had an excellent post on this sort of thing up here, so everybody who feels adressed learn his list of non sport behaviour and adapt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Oh Jeez, if I only had a rearview mirror!
Bies
(http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Adventure/5503/ww2planes/huricane.jpg)
And bring the A26 and Hurricane (Mk IIC/D) to AH!!!
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A26? Don't you think we have enough American buffs?
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I know, I know, we probably should opt for the Ju-88 and something like a Petliakov or Illiushin first but well call me sentimental but I love that Invader (and if HTC ever decides to bring a Vietnam sim they can still use the 26 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
And Nath, I would prefer if you wouldn't refer to it as a buff. In my opinion it's just a beautiful, streamlined, nimble and fast though slightly overgrown JaBo! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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Oh Jeez, if I only had a rearview mirror!
Bies
And bring the A26 and Hurricane (Mk IIC/D) to AH!!!
[This message has been edited by YankeeStation (edited 08-23-2000).]
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<sob>
why did i bother reading this thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Krim:
FokerFoder+ (wonder what that "+" stands for : stop that Nazi plane crap please?!! About your arguments: we have no Swastikas at all - ok?
I'll check on that.
:Several other nations, which weren't part of the Nazi party flew 109s. (look out for my Swiss 109 markings thread!!)
But the swiss didn't fight the allies and burn Jews. Like it or not, the Germans made the 109, the Germans were Nazis. If Japanese made a plane, and the Swiss flew it, the plane would still be Japanese. The 190 and 109 are Nazi planes with or without a swastika.
:By bringin up the Nazi term you implify that one who flies an axis plane is a Nazi emphatisant... stop that ok? Thank you
Where do I imply that anyone who flys a 109 is a Nazi? I fly them occasionally, and I sure the hell ain't a Nazi or a Nazi wanna be. I want to see how they fly. Chuck Yeager flew lots of captured Nazi aircraft, and he sure wasn't a Nazi. Your logic doesn't flow.
My logic is a aircraft made by Nazis is a Nazi plane. Pure and simple. That does not equate to "People who fly 109s are Nazis". I've driven Japanese cars, that does not make me Japanese. However, the fact that I am an American does not somehow change the car to an American car.
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Ok, lets call all American planes "Democracy Planes" and Japanese planes "Militarist Planes", give it up AK, you arent proving anything.
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109s and 190s were built by germans. They were built for the nazi war machine. The zero is a japanese plane, not whatever political system they followed. Germans != Nazis. Nazi = Nationalist Socialist Party.
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I'm not trying to prove anything, I just don't like people putting words in my mouth.
If I meant 'anyone who flys a 190 is a Nazi" I would have said it. Like I give a rats behind if what I say upsets people. But don't tell me I mean something when I don't say it.
If I want to call a plane designed by Nazis to power thier war machine, a Nazi plane. Well this is America I live in, I have freedom of speech and expression, all paid for in blood from the American Revolution til today, and part of that blood was spent killing the Nazi war machine.
There are members of my squad who like to fly 109s and 190s. They aren't Nazis and we are not a Nazi squad. We represent no nationality, we fly what we want. If I had a problem with that I'd leave the AKs (fat chance of THAT happening).
Nail me to the cross for what I say, not for what I don't say, or what you "think" I "may" mean.
And don't tell me what and what not to post, if you have trouble with what I am posting, then contact the administrator of this BBS, or my Squadron Commander AKcurly.
[This message has been edited by AKFokerFoder+ (edited 08-23-2000).]
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AK person 1,
You say that the German planes were built for the Nazi war machine, yet Japanese planes weren't build for the militarist Japanese empire? That doesn't add up... both fought for evil causes.
AK person 2,
So you would refer to a German aircraft in a museum today a 'Nazi' aircraft, even though Nazi Germany no longer exists?
Lets look at a quote from you earlier in this thread
Any German plane with a Swastika on it is a Nazi plane. Sorry, but that is the way it was.
Thank you for supporting me, "But that is the way it WAS." not anymore, so stop callin em Nazi planes.
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Geschwaderkommodore JG 54
"Grünherz"
Aces High Scenario Corps
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COOOOOOOOLLLL
I'm a GERMAN, and i fly 109.
wahhh, what a perfect nazi i must be!
again, BS on the forum
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Nath, I'll say what I want, we both live in America. You are not thought police. Deal with it.
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Nath, != means not equal in some programming languages. SeaWulfe is a big nerd.
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
A26? Don't you think we have enough American buffs?
It's an attack plane luftwobble boy!
Get it right or take a hard nosed Vader with duce wing pods up de arse!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
- Jig
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Forget it, not worth getting into a mudslinging contest. German planes are german planes. japanese planes are japanese planes. american planes are american planes. russian planes are russian/american/british planes. etc :-)
-SW
[This message has been edited by AKSeaWulfe (edited 08-23-2000).]
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There are no dweeb planes, I promise you that flown properly any plane can kill any other plane. I would be willing to prove this to anyone who doubts it. FW190-A5 vs A6M? To most "whiners" this would seem unfair but I gaurantee I could keep that FW off my back till he or I ran outta fuel. If there's a problem with the FM or modeling of a specific plane I can understand a whine but I bet you you the "real" dweeb pilots of WWII lived longer than than the pilots who tried an honorable guns cold merge (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I'd bet any real fighter pilots would laugh their tulips off looking at our HO and dweeb pilot whiners. Point is if I kill you or you killed me, then <S>. You only die in this game if you let it happen to you.
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AKFF; Those "nazi-planes" helped to keep my country free.
They helped a lot more than good thoughs of allies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Long live 109 !
Heh... Nice swastika in that G-2 isn't it ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Clue: In training we throw smoke,
IRL we throw grenades.
In training we do guns cold merges,
IRL we start shooting when the pipper lines up
In WB/AH/FA/AW, we have people who have a godgiven right to remind you of their elevated status as "Gods of War"
IRL we have a buncha virtual babblers most of whom would puke pulling 5G's
(Citabria excepted, but I've never seen ya shoot for real either (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
And I find the most annoying dweebish aspect of all the online flight-sims is channel 1
whereby this fingertip diarrehea constantly plugs up what could otherwise be a very fun time.
I AM A DWEEB! so are you, the difference probably being you can move pixels better'n I but I can probably blow you a new one at 1K
in the "world"
which means exactly squat you know?
And to answer the great big "N-A-Z-I" debate
hopefully to end it.
"hello! it's 2000 A.D. the war ended a long time ago, you really need to get a clue"
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
(pzvg burns sig, is not returning to bb again,this is simplely to f@#$% dumb for me to put with, post whatever smartass reply suits ya, I gives a damn 'bout yas, )
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Originally posted by Staga:
Heh... Nice swastika in that G-2 isn't it ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Now, now Staga. No need to confuse them. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Its hard enough to explain that it isn't a swastika to people without you trying to trick them. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 08-23-2000).]
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Damn Karnak, You ruined my bait... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
btw:
Reason you like G-10 is in your blood. Just relax and enjoy the ride (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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hi again:
RAM, i hope to go HO with you lots if you plan to do it guns cold till after you ass, I wont wait to see what happens, I will go into it guns hot. hmmmmm, I wounder who will loose most of those angagements.
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wolf37
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THUNDER BIRDS
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Dweeb Plane:
(http://members.mdn.net/lpowell/cozyfly.jpg)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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SeaWulfe I like your answer!! <S>
The others said everything about now. Just one thing to add: planes are neutral instruments, the 109 is as good or as bad as the Spitfire or Pony - the nationalist party and the holocaust has nothing to do with the plane itself - bringin those topics in give the plane a "value"... AH is a sim, a game to have fun - it's Y2K, don't forget the past but don't bring it here either... I slowly start to understand why HT left away the swastikas
btw: Swiss did fight the Allies as they did fight Axis - they engaged anything that entered their neutral airspace.
btw2: Israel bought some 109s and even pushed their developement further - they used it far longer than any other country (besides Spain) - I wouldn't suggest to call those planes nazi... if ya know what I mean
btw3: totally agree with the definition of dweeb plane at the top of this thread... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Kirin
[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 08-24-2000).]
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Originally posted by Kirin:
SeaWulfe I like your answer!! <S>
The others said everything about now. Just one thing to add: planes are neutral instruments, the 109 is as good or as bad as the Spitfire or Pony - the nationalist party and the holocaust has nothing to do with the plane itself - bringin those topics in give the plane a "value"... AH is a sim, a game to have fun - it's Y2K, don't forget the past but don't bring it here either... I slowly start to understand why HT left away the swastikas
btw: Swiss did fight the Allies as they did fight Axis - they engaged anything that entered their neutral airspace.
btw2: Israel bought some 109s and even pushed their developement further - they used it far longer than any other country (besides Spain) - I wouldn't suggest to call those planes nazi... if ya know what I mean
btw3: totally agree with the definition of dweeb plane at the top of this thread... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Kirin
[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 08-24-2000).]
Israel had US volunteers flying 109's against the Egyption Royal Airforce in Spitfires after WWII during that lil skirmish.
How ironic is that?
- Jig
[This message has been edited by Jigster (edited 08-24-2000).]
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All this stuff about "Honorable fighting", "guns cold merges", and "co-alt & co-E merges" is pretty funny to me, since I have always flown to win, and admittedly never "fight fair".
When I got to meet Robert Shaw (author of Fighter Combat Tactics and Manuevering, and a retired real Navy/Airforce pilot) about a month ago I asked him what he thought of this.
His response?:
LOL!!! You have to be friggin kidding me. Who would want to fight fair?
I couldn't have stated it better (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 08-24-2000).]
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+:
all paid for in blood from the American Revolution til today, and part of that blood was spent killing the Nazi war machine.
[This message has been edited by AKFokerFoder+ (edited 08-23-2000).]
Leaving yourself wide open, chapter one para one....
Americans die for anything else interesting between now and the revolution?
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What ya insinuating Pongo? That a handful of American nitwits, lead by an imbicile went into Canada in the War of 1812 and got thier prettythanges handed to them? (And I'm glad they did)
BTW the Americans were fighting the British at that time, there wouldn't be a Canada for another 50 some years.
Consider that the Americans and Canadians have pretty much got along, and have fought side by side in 3 major conflicts and the Gulf War, and lived peacefully side by side for almost 200 years.
The Canadians bled in two wars (the British used them as cannon fodder) to stop first the Kaiser and then the Nazis. I had a Great Uncle in the 73rd (or was it 75th?) Cameron Highlanders, and he was in on the assault on Vimy Ridge. Two second cousins in the Royal Canadian Navy in WW2 and my mother worked for the RAF in Regina.
BTW I have 2 passports that are mine by Birthright, Canadian and American.
[This message has been edited by AKFokerFoder+ (edited 08-24-2000).]
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. Like I give a rats behind if what I say upsets people. But don't tell me I mean something when I don't say it.
That says it all!!
Maik
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Question....
Could you be in the German Military and not be a Nazi?
Was the Nazi a political thing you had to join?
Can a thing(A/C) be political
Just wondering