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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: kappa on February 18, 2004, 02:21:24 PM
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Something new, to me anyhow... Still not proven but dude says hes got in under raps.. enjoy my cut'N'paste 8)
PORNOGRAPHER Larry Flynt says he has "nailed down" his claims George Bush, a pro-life campaigner, arranged for a girlfriend to have an abortion in the 1970s.
Flynt, 61, a failed California governor candidate said: "I've talked to the woman's friends. I've tracked down the doctor who did the abortion, and the Bush people who arranged for the it. I've got the story nailed."
He said he would publish his claims in a book at the height of the election season.
Flynt's mud-slinging comes amid what promises to be one of the dirtiest battles for the White House ever.
Alarmed aides of President Bush want £130million for a campaign to derail the runaway success of Democrat hopeful John Kerry.
Republicans are trying to portray Kerry, a Massachussetts senator for 19 years, as a hypocrite and a political puppet.
Teams of researchers are examining the 6,500 votes he has cast in the US Senate, his donors and his finances.
Kerry, 60, has survived two failed smear attempts. Last night he launched a scathing attack on Bush's treatment of September 11 emergency workers.
"I'm tired of these politicians who show up when the bagpipes are wailing. And then go back to Washington and forget," he said.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13961727_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-ABORTION%2DCLAIM%2DHITS%2DPRESIDENT-name_page.html
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It must be true.
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Yeah, I know. When Flynt gets involved...:rolleyes:
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If Drudge didn't break the story it can't be true.
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nah..too good to be true.....however Mr Drudge has some startling news about the CNN USA Today Gallup poll......
http://www.drudgereport.com/
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I hate to break it to you, but when you get born again, you get forgiven for stuff like that, and usually your views on the subject will change. So this issue is not going to bother Christians. It obviously shouldn't bother non-Christians who favor abortion. It would only affect non-Christians who oppose abortion, and I doubt this is a real big slice of Dubya's voter base.
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It was listed on the Drudge Report, but not how you think. The following link was on DR yesterday.
http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/goto/?getPage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enydailynews%2Ecom%2Fnews%2Fgossip%2Fstory%2F165111p%2D144622c%2Ehtml&return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edrudgereportarchives%2Ecom%2Fdsp%2Flinks%5Frecap%2Ehtm
Guess he had it right on this one.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
but when you get born again
Huh?.......:confused:
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I hate to break it to you, but when you get born again , you get forgiven for stuff like that, and usually your views on the subject will change. So this issue is not going to bother Christians. It obviously shouldn't bother non-Christians who favor abortion. It would only affect non-Christians who oppose abortion, and I doubt this is a real big slice of Dubya's voter base.
excuse my ignorance but how someone can "get born again" ???
Birth happen once and ony once no ?
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Funked is talking about "Born Again" christians.
Born a second time...this time with Jesus as your personal saviour.
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Anythings possible Kappa. I guess.
I remember most recenty that Flynt said he had obtained pictures of a pre war Jessica Lynch stripping for some of the boys on base but that he wouldnt publish them because she (lynch) was such a good girl.
Take it all with a grain of salt.
I have a friend, a childhood friend who had his girlfriend get an abortion. They later married and have two kids now. He confided in me last summer that they are both haunted by the memory of their first child and that it hurts them both deeply. I told him to find a quiet place and make peace with it. dont know if he ever did but I hope so. That kind of guilt kills slowly.
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Originally posted by straffo
excuse my ignorance but how someone can "get born again" ???
Birth happen once and ony once no ?
Born again in Christ, Bush says he went through this.
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Thank Curval and Funked.
I looked up quickly the "born again christian" on god (http://www.google.fr) and it's something I disagree completly with ... but that a personnal opinion.
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Jennifer O'Neill had an abortion in her twenties and now is an avid opponant of abortion....
(http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/MMPH/19197.jpg)
Of all the nerve... to regret what you may have done in your youth... why that b***h.
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hehe yea god has to forgive him "if hes repentent" you forget that part, he denies it or stays quiet when its important info hes asked about and ohh yea hes off to the burning pits of hell.
good and bad in that whole born again thing they never talk about the "ohh yea if i lie ill burn in hell" part.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Jennifer O'Neill had an abortion in her twenties and now is an avid opponant of abortion....
(http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/MMPH/19197.jpg)
Of all the nerve... to regret what you may have done in your youth... why that b***h.
According to what I read this morning if she choose to be "born again" she get "get free out of jail" card in the instant ...
Weak and a good way to feel deresponsabilized.
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deresponsabilized
Don't know if it was intentional but that is a great Bushism.
lol
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arrgggg .... I guess it's not the proper translation of : "déresponsabilisé" ?
from time to time as I'm lazy I make a straight French word look english ... it' don't allways work :p
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No, I understood what you meant. But certain mimics have taken to using Bushisms - mispronounced words - in their acts. "deresponsabilized" sounds like one of them. :)
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Originally posted by straffo
According to what I read this morning if she choose to be "born again" she get "get free out of jail" card in the instant ...
Weak and a good way to feel deresponsabilized.
Numerous religious faiths believe that when one dies in a state of grace then passage to heaven is assured. The Catholic confessional is a facet of that belief.
The act of being 'born again' is an epiphany that one experiences when he takes the true leap of faith and his life is fundamentally changed due to the grace of God. (At least that is how an agnostic understands it)
I have a friend who went through the experience, and she has cleaned up her life considerably since…. It did something for her…
I think writing it off as analogous to a ‘get out of jail free’ card simplifies it somewhat.
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I plead guitly of oversimplification.
It's just because it don't correspond to my belief.
I'm a "faithful" atheist (if it make sense in english) I don't believe in god but I do believe in Greco-Judeo-Christian values.
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Being "Born Again" is something Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell cooked up. It was almost as popular (and legit)as pet rocks and mood rings.
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Originally posted by straffo
I plead guitly of oversimplification.
It's just because it because it don't correspond to my belief.
I'm a "faithful" atheist (if it make sense in english) I don't believe in god but I do believe in Greco-Judeo-Christian values.
Think of it like this, straffo - Christians believe that God forgives them their sins, not that they aren't responsible for what they've done.
The concept is that one realizes one is a sinner, accepts responsibility, intends to reform, shares in this with God and his peers, devotes his/her life to following the teachings of Christ, and is then allowed the state of grace by God.
A Christian must be willing to extend the same forgiveness to the rest of the world, but this doesn't mean the rest of the world owes him/her anything on a secular level.
I am like you in that I'm not an adherent to any religion (I'm agnostic rather than athiest, however) but I also see the values you cite as worthy. I don't have any conflict with what Christianity teaches in this regard. If I could accept what I see as mythology (the Bible) as actual truth, I'd be a devoted Christian.
culero
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Originally posted by rpm371
Being "Born Again" is something Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell cooked up. It was almost as popular (and legit)as pet rocks and mood rings.
Actually it is mentioned in John 3:3, John 3:7, and 1 Peter 1:23.
I don't think that Pat or Jimmy or Jerry wrote any of that although the may have read it.
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Culeron you pretty well resumed my position.
The part I disagree the most with in the christian belief is this :"dies in a state of grace then passage to heaven is assured " as McGroin wrote.
For example there was a christain belief in middle age in France : the catharism a belief seen as heretic by the church at this time it created what we call : "la croisade des Albigeois"
The worst in this crusade what the pope's legat Arnaud-Amalric, abbey of Cîteaux said in front the Toulouse town :"Kill them all, the Lord will sort them out" leading to a mass murder of about 20 000 people.
Have a look here :
http://www.le-minervois.com/history/medieval.html
and here
http://www.cathars.org/
This is a extremly troubled period where religion what often used as an pretext to extend the French Kingdom.
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Originally posted by straffo
Culeron you pretty well resumed my position.
The part I disagree the most with in the christian belief is this :"dies in a state of grace then passage to heaven is assured " as McGroin wrote.
For example there was a christain belief in middle age in France : the catharism a belief seen as heretic by the church at this time it created what we call : "la croisade des Albigeois"
The worst in this crusade what the pope's legat Arnaud-Amalric, abbey of Cîteaux said in front the Toulouse town :"Kill them all, the Lord will sort them out" leading to a mass murder of about 20 000 people.
Have a look here :
http://www.le-minervois.com/history/medieval.html
and here
http://www.cathars.org/
This is a extremly troubled period where religion what often used as an pretext to extend the French Kingdom.
Just because an act is attributed by its actor to Christianity doesn't mean the actor is correct. Many bad acts have been committed by people who claimed a Christian agenda. This is true in regard to Islam as well, for instance - would you condemn all Muslims because of what certain fanatics preach?
I don't think what you cite in any way contradicts what McGroin wrote, I believe he fairly stated what he said.
culero
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Originally posted by culero
I don't think what you cite in any way contradicts what McGroin wrote, I believe he fairly stated what he said.
Yes , I probably expressed my thought badly as usual.
My intent was not to contradic Holden but more to add a bit more context and show a reason why I disagree with the "state of grace" part.
If "state of grace is necessary and sufficient to go to heaven" (Romains 5:1) perhaps it's enought for a believer for me it's clearly not enought.
I can't believe you can get ride of your mistakes in the last instant,it's a personnal position.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I hate to break it to you, but when you get born again, you get forgiven for stuff like that, and usually your views on the subject will change. So this issue is not going to bother Christians. It obviously shouldn't bother non-Christians who favor abortion. It would only affect non-Christians who oppose abortion, and I doubt this is a real big slice of Dubya's voter base.
Exactly right.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Being "Born Again" is something Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell cooked up. It was almost as popular (and legit)as pet rocks and mood rings.
That's a pretty convenient method of debate there, where you can disqualify an argument because it is based on belief system with which you disagree. How... liberal and tolerant... of you.
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Originally posted by straffo
Yes , I probably expressed my thought badly as usual.
My intent was not to contradic Holden but more to add a bit more context and show a reason why I disagree with the "state of grace" part.
If "state of grace is necessary and sufficient to go to heaven" (Romains 5:1) perhaps it's enought for a believer for me it's clearly not enought.
I can't believe you can get ride of your mistakes in the last instant,it's a personnal position.
Think of it like this - what's important is that you sincerely repent. Do so and God forgives you, because if your repentance is sincere the main goal has been accomplished.
Note that this applies to you only in respect to God and others who share your belief. Its not an excuse from the consequences for your acts in the secular world. Its not a release from responsibilty.
culero
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Originally posted by culero
Think of it like this - what's important is that you sincerely repent. Do so and God forgives you, because if your repentance is sincere the main goal has been accomplished.
Note that this applies to you only in respect to God and others who share your belief. Its not an excuse from the consequences for your acts in the secular world. Its not a release from responsibilty.
culero
"Responsibility"? Abortion is legal. What "responsibility" are we talking about? You mean the responsibility for having arranged one before but repenting it now? Look, I agree with the repentance business; you have that exactly right. However... there is no real responsibility to this even if it proves to be true. The only thing really at stake is credibility, and in that regard it's a non-issue.
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Originally posted by Kieran
"Responsibility"? Abortion is legal. What "responsibility" are we talking about? You mean the responsibility for having arranged one before but repenting it now? Look, I agree with the repentance business; you have that exactly right. However... there is no real responsibility to this even if it proves to be true. The only thing really at stake is credibility, and in that regard it's a non-issue.
I don't really understand what point you're trying to make, but in reply to your example no I wouldn't say repenting having arranged an abortion relieves you of any responsibility you might have associated with that act. It merely means you've decided it was wrong to have done so, that you've resolved you won't again, and will make amends if possible.
culero
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Originally posted by culero
Think of it like this - what's important is that you sincerely repent. Do so and God forgives you, because if your repentance is sincere the main goal has been accomplished.
Note that this applies to you only in respect to God and others who share your belief. Its not an excuse from the consequences for your acts in the secular world. Its not a release from responsibilty.
culero
sure ,I've trouble only to admit the sincerity of the repentance.
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm a "faithful" atheist (if it make sense in english) I don't believe in god but I do believe in Greco-Judeo-Christian values.
Translates quite well, both in words and meaning.
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I guess you need to define what you mean by "responsibility". You are using the word as if you mean "crime".
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Originally posted by straffo
sure ,I've trouble only to admit the sincerity of the repentance.
I may be misunderstand you here Straffo. Are you saying that you doubt repentance is sincere? Whose repentance are you doubting? Bush's, your own or anyone else's?
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Iron I was speaking more in general term so far I canno't and won't judge the sincerity of anyone else than me.
Perhaps because I don't have a good knowledge of how the sacrements work .I've doubt for the extreme unction for exemple.
So far (but I can be extremly wrong) my perception is this a bit to easy as it's a human who choose to save the sin of the another or not.
I've often meet people who behaved as good christian only in the church wich is not how I expect I good christian to live.
This said I place moral above rituals and sometime I'm shocked by the act of some people pretenting being good christian .
It just don't feel right for me.
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Straffo-
A "good Christian" realizes he is no better than anyone else WRT committing sin, but does reflect on his actions, recognizes the fault, and asks God for forgiveness. The sinner then must turn away from those actions.
What you are alluding to is the concept of a person going out and committing whatever acts he wishes, then getting the cure-all forgiveness, only to go out the very next day and do the same thing again. You're right, that is not true repentance.
In the case of Bush, assuming the story is true, the repentance is real IF Bush felt the guilt, asked God's forgiveness, then turned away from committing the same act again. So... unless someone can drudge up the string of abortions arranged after that fact, the repentance would appear to be real.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Jennifer O'Neill had an abortion in her twenties and now is an avid opponant of abortion....
(http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/MMPH/19197.jpg)
Of all the nerve... to regret what you may have done in your youth... why that b***h.
More like "Of all the nerve... to want to deny others the same choice that she was afforded... why that b***h."
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And she would selfishly deny others the right to a choice she had why? Maybe she receives a huge salary from the right to lifers? Maybe she suffers from life long guilt that won't be assuaged and seeks to spare others this "choice"? I'd lean more to the latter.
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by AKIron:
And she would selfishly deny others the right to a choice she had why? Maybe she receives a huge salary from the right to lifers? Maybe she suffers from life long guilt that won't be assuaged and seeks to spare others this "choice"? I'd lean more to the latter.
Yeah, it very well could be the latter. Of course, it's still none of her business what others choose to do, since THEY have to live with their choice - good or bad. And she certainly isn't in a position to tell people she doesn't even know what's best for them.
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Newsflash, fellas. This election isn't going to be determined by anyone's stance on abortion. Too many other important issues to worry about.
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let bush go anything but anti abortion and get elected.
and honestly same for kerry but opposite.
polarization of the partys its a deciding issue for alot of people on both sides.
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I doubt a lot of people make voting choices on this issue. The courts uphold legal abortion, and there's only so much the president can do to change that. Regardless of who is elected, abortion will still be legal in 2008.
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You're probably right, Funkynuts, but I won't vote for a guy who would sign off on a law banning abortion.
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Oh come on SOB. If it were only that simple. Progressive thinkers sure take the blind-eyed route when somebody starts talking sense about abortion.
Even if the life of the baby is NOT considered, only the health and potential risk to the health of the woman having the procedure done. Not to mention the mental scars that can last a lifetime. Abortion is surgery. Surgery some groups support being performed on 15 yr. old girls without their parents knowledge. Do you recognize this is not a good thing?
Yes, she just needs to STFU, cause hey, don't mess with peoples rights to 'bortion! Its theer choice! don't you people get it! people have rights to theer body!
What blind foolishness. You should care more about the woman than just trying to give them instant gratification.
:)
[edit]this was a reply to SOB's 10:59 reply, was bz for a while, let it get old[/edit]
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Yes, it's blind foolishness to allow that someone make a choice for themselves. It's simple for me because I don't have to make that choice, and if I were faced with the decision it would be an easy one.
The person who makes the choice has to live with it, and they should give it a hell of a lot of thought and research. If they don't, that's their mistake - and if they regret it later, their own fault.
Blind foolishness is shoving your opinion down someone else's throat and expecting them to thank you for it. Are there any other choices you'd like to make for everyone else in America?
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Funny how the republican party is becomeing a supporter of the nanny state. Ashcroft wants to make sure everything you do in your daily life is okay with the bibble.
Oh and when has larry flynt ever been wrong with his smear?
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Originally posted by rpm371
Being "Born Again" is something Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell cooked up. It was almost as popular (and legit)as pet rocks and mood rings.
rpm you should stick to subjects about which you have some inkling of knowlege. Being "born again" comes straight from the New Testament in the Bible. The three you referenced didn't "come up" with that concept.
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So Let me see if I get the gist of this thread correctly...
Bush is
a war monger,
a liar,
a draft dodger...
And now he's a...
BABY KILLER?
Oh Jesus! What will you liberals think of next!
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Originally posted by SOB
Yes, it's blind foolishness to allow that someone make a choice for themselves.
Unfortunately when they make that choice, it's not just for themselves, but another person as well.
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Well, since I recognize the rights of the mother over the right of her lil parasite, that's really not an issue for me.
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Originally posted by SOB
Well, since I recognize the rights of the mother over the right of her lil parasite, that's really not an issue for me.
"...parasite..." Hmmmm...maybe the Center for Disease Control should issue a notice?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by slimm50
"...parasite..." Hmmmm...maybe the Center for Disease Control should issue a notice?:rolleyes:
They have already.. They said to strap up... :lol
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:rofl
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Originally posted by SOB
Yes, it's blind foolishness to allow that someone make a choice for themselves. It's simple for me because I don't have to make that choice, and if I were faced with the decision it would be an easy one.
You're right, it is blind foolishness on your part to think that a 14-15 yr. old girl is mature enough to deal with making a decision about an abortion. That was my point.
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Hblair, please point out where I said that. YOU brought up 14-15 year olds. I agree, they should have parental consent. I don't agree that all abortion should be illegal because they don't need consent (if they don't).
In the future, feel free to ask my opinion, I will give it to you. There's no need for you to make it up for me.
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SOB you big clown. I will make up your opinion for you. Now shut up and be evil so it will be easier for me to paint you that way! sheeesh..
Nah, seriously, I feel for young girls who make the decisions. So shut up and be evil. Is frogman really gay?
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i thought 14-15 year olds in alabama were legal adults? When the average adult only lives to the 40s you think they they would be considered adults a littler earlier. Hell they marry at 12.
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I guess he is.
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Frogman is gay, and I made him pregnant. He wanted to ask his parents what they thought about what he should do, but I took him down to the clinic and made him abort.
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Originally posted by hblair
Nah, seriously, I feel for young girls who make the decisions. So shut up and be evil. Is frogman really gay?
I feel young girls too.
And frogtard is not really gay, he's EXTREMELY gay.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
i thought 14-15 year olds in alabama were legal adults? When the average adult only lives to the 40s you think they they would be considered adults a littler earlier. Hell they marry at 12.
What school did you go to?
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
i thought 14-15 year olds in alabama were legal adults? When the average adult only lives to the 40s you think they they would be considered adults a littler earlier. Hell they marry at 12.
I can understand the confusion...
Let me clarify... it's Kentucky which allows marriage at age 12 as long as the father is holding the shotgun with both barrels loaded with double ought.
And well 14 and 15 is when most Kentuckians consider their cousins to be nubial and at their sexual prime.
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Ah, the white southern hillbilly. The last legal target remaining for those wishing to make ethnic slurs without fear of prosecution or even condemnation.
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Originally posted by Sabre
Ah, the white southern hillbilly. The last legal target remaining for those wishing to make ethnic slurs without fear of prosecution or even condemnation.
Didn't realize Southern Hillbillies had their own ethnicity....besides - red neck.
But yeah, they are fair pickin's.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I feel young girls too.
And frogtard is not really gay, he's EXTREMELY gay.
(http://death.innomi.com/uploads/galactus2.jpg)
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LOL this is a funny thread.
Larry Flint must be talking about Bush’s 15 yr old girlfriend he arraigned to have an abortion for back in 1973.
I understand he’s got names.. the name of the girl, the name of the girls mother. The name of the doctor who preformed the abortion. Even Bush’s signature.
I suppose at the height of the campaign, the DimoRats will try and portray our wonderful President Bush, (and his lovely family) as somewhat less of a man of character and honor.
Don’t those stupid DemonRats know that once you born again, all that stuff that happened back there.. it all forgiven by God..
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This is a true story! The Mirror got the name wrong, though. It's actually Kerry that Flint is talking about.
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It must be true. A man like Larry Flint would never exploit the public, would he?
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when has Larry been wrong when he digs up dirt?
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
when has Larry been wrong when he digs up dirt?
Do you mean incorrect or wrong? Sorry, I don't really keep up with the antics of that smut merchant.