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Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Bodhi on February 18, 2004, 06:26:09 PM
Apparently Mr. Bendell is in the know about this, I am unsure as I have not found any of this to be of the contrary in a few searches on Yahoo and Google.

Anyways, feel free to read away:



My wife had rotator cuff surgery earlier this year, and the recovery is terribly painful. Then, she developed a staph-epi infection, and they had to cut the same scar open and operate on her again. Just thinking about the pain and anxiety of facing that painful surgery a second time in the same wound, makes me cringe. That experience, however pales in comparison to what I am going through right now, in my heart.

 

        The old hurts are surfacing and the feelings of betrayal by fellow citizens, and their leader stirring them up, are breaking my heart again. I am being cut in the same scar. How did we who served in Vietnam suddenly become cold-blooded killers, torturers, and rapists, of the ilk of the Nazi SS or the Taliban?   Most of us were American soldiers who grew up idolizing John Wayne, Roy Rogers, and all the other heroes. That was why I volunteered. But for political expediency, John Kerry has rewritten history, again. After spending only four months in the country of Vietnam, John Kerry testified before Congress in 1971 with these exact words about incidents he supposedly witnessed or heard about from other vets: They personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

 

            I was a green beret officer who volunteered for duty in Vietnam and fought in the thick of it in 1968 and 1969 on a Special Forces A-team on the Ho Chi Minh Trail, just for starters. We were the elite. We saw the most action. Everybody in the world knows that. But we did not just kill people, we built a church, a school, treated illnesses, passed out soap, food, and clothing, and had fun and loving interaction with the indigenous people of Vietnam, just like our boys did in Normandy, Baghdad, Saigon, and everywhere American soldiers ever served. We all gave away our candy bars and rations to kids. Our hearts to oppressed people all over the globe.

 

            My children and grandchildren could read your words, and think those horrendous things about me, Mr. Kerry. You are a bold-faced, unprincipled liar, and a disgrace, and you have dishonored me and all my fellow Vietnam veterans.   Sure, there were a couple bad-apples, but I saw none, and I saw it all, and if I did, as an army officer, it was my obligation to stop it, or at the very least report it.  Why is there not a single record anywhere of you ever reporting any incidents like this or having the perpetrators arrested?  The answer is simple. You are a liar. Your medals and mine are not a free pass for lifetime, Senator Kerry, to bypass character, integrity, and morality.  I earn my green beret over and over daily in all aspects of my life.

 

            Eight National Guard green berets, and other National Guard soldiers, have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you totally dishonored their widows and families by lumping National Guard service in with being a draft-dodger, conscientious objector, and deserter, just so you can try to sabotage the patriotism of our President who proudly served as an Air National Guard jet pilot.   I have a son earning his green beret at Fort Bragg right now, and his wife serves honorably in the Air National Guard, just like President Bush did, and I am as proud of her as I am my son.   I volunteered for Vietnam and have no problem whatsoever with President Bush being our Commander-In-Chief. In fact, I am proud of him as our leader.

 

            John Kerry, you personally derailed the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, HR2883, in 2001, after it had passed the House by a 411 to 1 vote, and thousands of pro-American Montagnard tribespeople in Vietnam died since then who could have been saved, by you. Earlier, as Chair of the Senate Select Committee on MIA/POW Affairs, you personally quashed the efforts of any and all veterans to report sightings of living POWs, when you held those reins in Congress.  You have fought tooth and nail to push for the US to normalize relations with Vietnam for years.  Why, Mr. Kerry?  Simple, your first cousin C. Stewart Forbes, CEO, of Colliers International, recently signed a contract with Hanoi, worth BILLIONS of dollars for Colliers International to become the exclusive real estate representative for the country of Vietnam.

 

            Hanoi John, now that it works for you, you beat your chest about your Vietnam service, but to me, you are a phony, opportunistic, hypocrite.   You are one of those politicians that is like a fertilizer machine: all that comes out of you is horse manure, and you are spreading it everywhere.

 

Medals do not make a man. Morals do.

 

 

Don Bendell

Canon City, Colorado

 

Don Bendell served as an officer in four Special Forces Groups, is a best-selling author with over 1,500,000 books in print, a 1995 inductee into the International Karate Hall of Fame, and owns karate schools in southern Colorado.

 
 
Don or Shirley Bendell
BENDELL ENTERPRISES, INC.
PO Box 276, Canon City, CO 81215-0276
(719) 269-3929
Please visit our website: http://www.donbendell.com, or visit
our other website at http://www.bendellkarate.com


http://www.gb4hr.net/Pages/SenateLetter.htm
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Manedew on February 18, 2004, 07:00:13 PM
Ya i'm not to hot on Kerry ethir .... wish Dean was doing better....
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Eagler on February 18, 2004, 08:00:21 PM
Mr. Bendell
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Frogm4n on February 18, 2004, 09:45:45 PM
less of a liar then bush
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Crapgame on February 18, 2004, 10:01:41 PM
I got the following in my e-mail today...Makes you think....

Subject: Swift Boat Story

To: Unnamed Viet Nam veteran/friend!

I've long thought that John Kerry's war record was phony. We talked about it when you were here.  It's mainly been instinct because, as you know, nobody who claims to have seen the action he does would so shamelessly flaunt it for political gain.  So I spent a couple of hours on the Internet yesterday, made a bunch of notes, and I'm sending them as an attachment.  Somebody went to a lot of trouble to chronicle Kerry's checkered career.
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I was in the Delta shortly after he left.  I know that area well.  I know the operations he was involved in well.  I know the tactics and the doctrine used.  I know the equipment.  Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.

Here are my problems and suspicions:

(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job.  But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw.  They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong).  The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.  

(2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp.  All injuries so minor that no time lost from duty.  Amazing luck.  Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch?  Combat on the boats was almost always at close range.  You didn't have minor wounds.  At least not often.  Not three times in a row.  Then he used the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour.  Fishy.

(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all.  Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed.  Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retrieves the launcher.  If true, he did everything wrong.
    (a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go balls to the wall.  A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
   (b)  Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up?  The guy was dead or dying.  The rocket launcher was empty.  There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you just flopping around  in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people.  We had rules against that, too.
   (c)  Kerry got off the boat.  This was a major breach of standing procedures.  Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area.  EVER!  The reason was simple.  If you had somebody on the beach your boat was defenseless.  It couldn't run and it couldn't return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger.  He should have been relieved and reprimanded.  I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight.

Something is fishy.

Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running across the bow of a Jap destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early, requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for Congress, finds out war heroes don't sell well in Massachusetts in 1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a few years later, votes against every major defense bill, says the CIA is irrelevant after the Wall came down, votes against  the Gulf War, a big mistake since that turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.

I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in Vietnam.  I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief.  I hope that somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record.  I know in my gut it's wildly inflated.  And fishy.

Keep smiling,

Mike

((Michael Benge is a Foreign Service officer and a former Vietnam POW (1968 to 1973) ))
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Crapgame on February 18, 2004, 10:05:20 PM
After receiving that in the e-mail, I sent it to one of my co workers who was in PBRs in Vietnam and asked his opinion. His response is listed below.

Well gentlemen, I can tell you with confidence that the writer of this article definately knows what he is talking about.  The one and only time I got off my PBR was when it was blown apart by two RPGs.  (hence my Bronze Star) He is very accurate as to the consequences of leaving the boat unmanned. This chicken ****  (Kerry) probably never left the coast line where the swift boats were assigned.   Anyway, I also hope someone comes forward to show this a******s true colors...   Signed affectionately.    Sgt. Jay W. Brown     50's gunner assigned to the 89th Military Police Brigade  9th Infantry Division ( C ) Company. Republic of Viet Nam  January 2nd, 1969 - December 12th, 1969.

I have edited a couple of rather pointed obscenities that Sgt. Brown included. I didn't feel that questioning Kerry's parentage and coital habits was germane to the conversation.
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: lasersailor184 on February 18, 2004, 10:09:47 PM
There was also a few more points to add to this.


1.) Lieutenants didn't ride on the boats he was on.

2.) He had 3 more years of service due, not 8 months.

3.) He was in the combat zone for 48 days.  He went on 18 missions and saw very little action.  Chosen missions?

4.) He got a silver star for doing nothing.

5.) He got a bronze star for pulling someone out of the water.  He wasn't even in distress.  He wasn't even close to drowning.  Everyone else who gets this award usually has to rescue someone from drowning while under fire.  Usually they have to jump in the water with the guy.

6.) He got a bronze star for getting small small shrapnel wounds.  **THEN** he had the gall to say that he was "Walking Wounded" and should go home.
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Frogm4n on February 18, 2004, 10:16:14 PM
the moon landing was fake, contrails are really chemtrails, and there is this nigerian banker that wants to help you get millions of dollars!
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Bodhi on February 18, 2004, 10:25:15 PM
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
the moon landing was fake, contrails are really chemtrails, and there is this nigerian banker that wants to help you get millions of dollars!


Bored again, eh Froggy?
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Frogm4n on February 18, 2004, 10:28:00 PM
If i was i would be reading every piece of garbage that came through my email.
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: rpm on February 18, 2004, 10:31:04 PM
(http://awolbush.ctyme.com/images/bush-nam.jpg)
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Lizking on February 18, 2004, 10:39:30 PM
That is right, RPM, had Bush done anything wrong, there would be a record of it, a military paper trail.  Since there is not, you must assume that it is a smear on his good name, eh?
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: rpm on February 18, 2004, 10:58:41 PM
I don't see what the problem is. GWB should have a complete copy of his service record that was given to him when discharged. Why doesn't he just turn it over instead of looking for those "lost documents" in  Colorado. Just because he had his teeth cleaned in Alabama does not mean that he didn't have his records scrubbed in Texas.
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Lizking on February 18, 2004, 11:02:13 PM
I don't have my complete college records, do you?  I mean realisticly, why would you keep them?  I have a diploma, like he has an HD, so why kep the rest?  Doesn't the diploma pretty much tell the story?
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: rpm on February 18, 2004, 11:03:25 PM
I have my complete service record. Do You?
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Lizking on February 18, 2004, 11:04:14 PM
No service, so does that mean I can't discuss the issue?
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: john9001 on February 18, 2004, 11:07:37 PM
my military records are all in st louis, i'm having a hard time trying to get copies.
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: rpm on February 18, 2004, 11:11:23 PM
No college. Does that mean I can't discuss the issue?

Seriously, he HAS the complete record, he just does not want it read.
(http://awolbush.ctyme.com/images/awol-prove.jpg)
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 18, 2004, 11:14:04 PM
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Originally posted by rpm371
I have my complete service record. Do You?


Yea but YOUR service doesnt count.....
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Eagler on February 18, 2004, 11:28:11 PM
as stated before, I've believed kerry's "military service" was just another political move by this jfk wannabe

I hope the admin or their supporters have the balls to show it as such if this loser tries his "war hero" bull again...
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: NUKE on February 18, 2004, 11:29:13 PM
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Originally posted by rpm371
No college. Does that mean I can't discuss the issue?

Seriously, he HAS the complete record, he just does not want it read.
(http://awolbush.ctyme.com/images/awol-prove.jpg)


not guilty then right? since it will never be proved, you agree that Bush in not guilty as charged.
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: straffo on February 19, 2004, 01:26:45 AM
Actually both millitary career are questionned so wah about declaring a draw and looking at their program instead of fighting with cartoon and badly photoshoped pict ?


oops :)
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 19, 2004, 02:53:15 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
Actually both millitary career are questionned so wah about declaring a draw and looking at their program instead of fighting with cartoon and badly photoshoped pict ?
oops :)


A frenchman. Burn him!!!!!  :D
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: rpm on February 19, 2004, 05:00:30 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
not guilty then right? since it will never be proved, you agree that Bush in not guilty as charged.

I'll even go so far as saying Bush is as innocent  as O.J. Simpson.
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Eagler on February 19, 2004, 08:38:31 AM
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Originally posted by rpm371
I'll even go so far as saying Bush is as innocent  as O.J. Simpson.


nice comparison -  your hatred of our President is coloring your pee brain
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Gunslinger on February 19, 2004, 08:58:18 AM
I've been saying this all along.  If kerry was a republican he'd be burned at the steak by the press and all of you for shooting a wounded VC.  

I've allways said his service was in fact questionable

The big differnece about his service and bush's service is that BUSH is not making it a big part of his campaign......KERRY IS!
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Sabre on February 19, 2004, 09:21:38 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
Actually both millitary career are questionned so wah about declaring a draw and looking at their program instead of fighting with cartoon and badly photoshoped pict ?


oops :)


We could, but the only thing about Kerry's "program" I've been able to glean is that he for dismantling out national intelligence means, gutting the military, betraying our veterans, raising my taxes, and turning our security over to the United Nations.  Oh, wait...
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: Bodhi on February 19, 2004, 10:10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
less of a liar then bush



Prove it...
Title: John Kerry is a liar???
Post by: muckmaw on February 19, 2004, 10:57:42 AM
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Originally posted by Sabre
We could, but the only thing about Kerry's "program" I've been able to glean is that he for dismantling out national intelligence means, gutting the military, betraying our veterans, raising my taxes, and turning our security over to the United Nations.  Oh, wait...


BING-THE F***-O

This says it all.....

I could vote democrat.

Someone tell me why I should. All I've heard from Kerry, and seen from his record tells me he stand contrary to everything I want from my government, hence, as of this moment, he will not get my vote.

Sabre-

Possibly the best post I've read in months!