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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 1K0N on February 19, 2004, 08:05:00 AM
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I consider Checksix's a Gift not a requirement or right.. I never expect them but am thankful when I get them, and do my best to return the favor when I am able to judge it neccessary. Sometimes I make mistakes and checksix the wrong person, a wrong checksix is better than no checksix at all I figure, which is kind of understood and no one complains.
Every week I find that one group of furballers with the same people constantly badmouthing other players for their mistakes and not receiving checksix's, at first it kind of irritated me having to listen to the same whine over and over on range.. "Dudes how bought some checksix's" or "How bout some Checksix's you Arsewhles"
But thats not really a bad thing, I learned how to checksix because of the same checksix range whines in the beginning when I started, otherwise I would never have known what was required, its not like the manual clearly states "you must check six your fellow countrymens during battle"
So peer pressure is a good thing, and yelling on range for countrymen to checksix's is the right thing to do, otherwise how will the new players or non checksix players learn?!
So next time you get blasted by an enemy plane in a Furball without receiving a complimentary checksix, you must yell as angrily as possible, as loud as you can, on range channel, "Check my friggen six you Arsewhles"
You will be doing your country a favor!!
"Carryon.. Smokem if you gotem"
IKON
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A whine about no Check 6 is a lame excuse for Bad SA in my book. I give them when i can, but its hard enough to watch my 6, let alone everyone elses around me
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There are times when you are really tempted to badmouth your fellows, though.
For instance, our side has enough advantage in numbers. We're starting an attack on an enemy field. You look around to see if someone else also gets a scope of the situation, and then, you are baffled to see not a single friendly plane attempts to knock down the acks.
No high enemy planes nearby, only a couple trying to get up in a small field with what, only 4~5 acks? .. and still nothing. Zilch. Nada. No response. All of them staying high and timid, just waiting for someone to do the job for them. Only time you see them coming down, is when you have risked so much to get behind a bogey - and then they swoop down, and steal the kill right in front of your nose.
So, you get pretty frustrated. You start to urge your fellows to join you in deacking the field. It's a ripe vulch chance. Nope - still nothing. They're all circling the field above. And, while all the time is wasted in timid merry-go-rounding at 15k, the enemys start to really up from the field. Soon, the whole area is swarming with bad guys.
You try to contain the situation, start aggressive passes to keep the enemies low..and then you look around. Where did your friends all go? They went home, thinking that the odds are starting to look bad.
Ouch, boy is one tempted to cuss.
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Or, a simular situation. Two forces with about equal numbers meeting in the zone between the two hostile fields. Your side has the alt advantage. The fights become aggressive, and at low altitudes, a really hard furball is brewing.
There are a lot of enemies - but you also have a lot of friends. You think yourself "alright, let's get it on!" and confidently jump into the fight. Oops, somehow, the red dots near you are swarming by. Where are all your friends? They're all up high. Nobody committing himself to this fight. Wow guys, what are you doing up there? How we gonna get local air superiority by not engaging any of these low enemy planes?
Both sides have lesser skilled pilots. They are slow to understand the dangers, so naturally, they are the first to get shot down. You see those lesser skilled guys jumping into the fight. They may be average, but with a little help, they can do many things.
As you fly around at mid-alt, you see those newbie guys going in low into a dangerous fight. Since we have the alt advantage, we can cover our newbies so they don't die out in 10 seconds. Do it right, and we can push the battle lines nearer to the enemy field.
By golly, nobody's coming down to join the fight. Only time they come down, is when they see a single, low enemy on deck. And then, all of the guys come down and start a tussle for that one bogey - nearby at 10 miles distance, there are lots of targets to fight for.
So you're torn. You see those newbie guys getting shotdown like flies, while their plea for help falls deaf ears. You feel like going into save them - you know you can save them, and push back all the bad guys, if, only if all those friendlies weren't playing around at something like 20k.
But of course, no response. They won't come down until everything is totally safe. You go in alone to save your buddies - start a really hectic fight with zillion enemy planes buzzing by. The fight gets really dirty, and the nearby airspace is full of planes low and slow with almost no energy.
.. and then, as you save a couple of newbies, and get valiantly shot down in the process, you see the cavalry coming in after when all's already over. They start picking the low and slow enemy planes you've worked your prettythang off to push them into that state and rack up kills - and the triumphant roar of the friendlies ring your eardrums - as they fly by your chute. Geez, thanks a lot guys.
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The altmonkeying and vulching, gangbanging mentality is sometimes just as harsh to the attackers!
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I have never seen anything like that. Sure some guys will stay high and some will not help deack. But I have never been in a situation where I was the only one fighting. Someone always tried to help. If nothing else, its an easy kill for them when a plane on my six is busy with me. Anyway, thats just me. I am not saing that it did not happent to you
Have a film? jk :D
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95% of all badmouthing fellow countrymen has something to do with being used as bait or clearing someones six only to have them fly off and leave you to the wolves.
The first one can be summed up to bad SA, but it still stinks. The second should be a punishable offense.
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>>you see the cavalry coming in after when all's already over. They start picking the low and slow enemy planes you've worked your prettythang off to push them into that state and rack up kills - and the triumphant roar of the friendlies ring your eardrums - as they fly by your chute. Geez, thanks a lot guys. <<
Yea, you've gota love those that constistantly arrive fashionably late.
:aok
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I have to admit i get frustrated when i don't recieve a 6 call sometimes. Couple of weeks ago i spotted a con closing on me with 3 friendles chasing him. Ok i spotted the con, but i was still a tad angry that not one of them gave me a check 6. When he was eventually shotdown by one of them i made sure i got the kill by unloading my 20mm into his wingless corpse......It made me feel better.:D
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OK I really would like to make a comment on this, Pulling up my soap box… Ok here I go.
The check six call is an option. You don’t have to do it and in the game there is guys out there who do this all the time and guys who don’t. Anyone who is a rook knows that I am always giving “six” calls. I just hate it when I turn around a go defensive with an aircraft behind me, only to see 5 guys trying to gangbang the con behind me, and not a single one of these guys say, “Hey Skip, spit at your 6, working it” Instead they are to busy trying to get the kill and not letting me know I am about to get sent back to the tower. In fact I am usually in that situation because I turned in on a con to clear a fellow countryman. I am a B&Z pilot and I hate to turn. So when I let myself kill all of my E to clear someone, then only to get pounced by a single con, (with 6 friendly following) it just pisses me off. It only takes 2 seconds to help a brother out. i.e. Last night I was flying an A-20 defending a base from GV’s to the south. I was doing very well, 5 kills this sortie. There were at least 8 friendly aircraft between me and a single spit. I turned back to killing tank knowing that my fellow country men would protect me (stupid on my part) by taking this 5.9 not closing spit, or let me know if he came my direction. But about 2 guns passes later, and killing another resupply/troop M-3 bam. Back to the tower for me. I jumped into another A-20 and back to the GV killing. Not 5 minutes later almost the same thing happened. By the way, while plinking tanks, I gave 9 “check six” calls. I just don’t understand why it is so much more important in getting a kill than protecting your buddies and still getting that kill. I just wish I could fly with confidence knowing that I can defend my base knowing that my “countrymen” will be there for me. So I left and went to another base(really tired of getting killed busting GV’s, which were the only real threat to base capture. The enemy planes were coming in 1 at a time.) , and not 10 minutes later the base was taken with the M-3 that I had been killing. This is just sad. I will continue to give six calls and warnings to my fellow rooks, only hoping that it will inspire others to do so. If you didn’t know how to give a “check Six” ask someone… Ill show you. I am online every night when the wife and baby go to sleep.
Stepping off the soap box. Sorry to go on and about this, I guess it is a sore subject that I had to speak my piece on. Thanks for your support.
SkipNutz
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My personal favorite Situation:
You've worked long and hard to get that bandit in your lights for the premium kill shot NOT wasting your ammo by spraying and praying your zoomed in almost there and BAM BAM BAM u chk 6 to see a baddy on your 6 with 3 or 4 friendlys behind him using u as bait! they didnt wanna chk6 u so they could get the baddy! after a few of these I made myself learn GOOD SA ! and NOT get target fixation sometimes i wish though that killshooter was off and i could nail my own countrymen! still see it being done to newbies so i try and give said newbei a chk6 to not only save him but to skewer the dweebs following his baddy and watching them get nailed cause they couldnt fight their way outta a wet paper bag to begin with :rofl
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
You've worked long and hard to get that bandit in your lights for the premium kill shot NOT wasting your ammo by spraying and praying your zoomed in almost there and BAM BAM BAM u chk 6 to see a baddy on your 6 with 3 or 4 friendlys behind him using u as bait! they didnt wanna chk6 u so they could get the baddy!
Shane coined the nickname appropriatly for this situation, or at least I think he did..."Slobberdonkey"
I can't think of any better way or name to describe it with!!
IKON
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I got enough to do in a dogfight without hunting around my keyboard for the ' key just so some unaware, low and slow target can turn just before he gets whacked.
Watching for enemy, judging energy, working my own calculations for flying and firing all the while looking over my shoulder once in awhile. Try it sometime. It works.
Any "Check 6" calls you get are just reminders that you aren't looking back enough.
Country channel, squad channel, range channel, radar map, VOX and the ability to look behind you should be enough to give you a decent picture of your situation.
You are ultimately responsible for your own six.
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1/2 times I die it's because I get blasted by a guy that was in my blindspot while attacking another. Yet most of the time, there are people floating around doing nothing, not helping at all. And this is what pisses me off.
Like this one time I was chasing a spit down in my seafire. We were in a heavy dogfight. I finally got him down but quickly noticed that There were 2 other engine noises in my area. I look back and could easily see the enemy p51 pilot's eyes. Without zoom. He was roughly 100 off my six and sticking there. Back behind him was someone chasing him down. The guy never even bothered to tell me that I had an enemy 6 feet behind me. I didn't see his name, but I sure did get pissed.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Like this one time I was chasing a spit . ..........[/B]
One time at band camp........................:D
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Originally posted by Blooz
I got enough to do in a dogfight without hunting around my keyboard for the ' key just so some unaware, low and slow target can turn just before he gets whacked.
Watching for enemy, judging energy, working my own calculations for flying and firing all the while looking over my shoulder once in awhile. Try it sometime. It works.
Any "Check 6" calls you get are just reminders that you aren't looking back enough.
Country channel, squad channel, range channel, radar map, VOX and the ability to look behind you should be enough to give you a decent picture of your situation.
You are ultimately responsible for your own six.
Geez...nice attitude. Remind me not to wing with you.
Seriously...have you ever benefitted from a check six call? If you say you haven't, I am not sure I would believe you.
You are right, it is busy work flying in combat. You are also correct that ultimately SA is my responsibility. But did it ever occur to you that part of SA was bandit calls from wingman, squaddies, and countrymen?
Do you have briefings on the way to a mission? Why? After all, you have map and a set of eyes and a brain. It shouldn't be up to anyone else to tell you what's going on, you should be able to figure it out yourself, right?
Like I said, and not to be mean, but I will remember to avoid winging with you are anyone that has the same attitude. And why should I need to anyway...after all, you don't need my extra set of eyes....or my six calls.
SHEEESH!!!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Check 6's are nice. I wish my teammates had a button that said,"Hey, Steve. You are about to collide with that guy, dummy!"
I run into as many planes, with it being no-one's fault but my own, as I get shot down it seems.
That said, I whined about not getting a check 6 last night.
Morph is right, everyone is responsible for their own 6.
I should have kept my mouth shut and moved on. If I could learn to do that, and to quit ramming guys, I'd be a much better player.
:)
Ramming speed!
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I agree 100% that a country-wide team effort is definately lacking. I love getting waxed by an unseen enemy only to see 5-10 country-men chasing after him, indeed, where is my check six? Yes I know I am 100% responsible for my own arse. I give check six's religously, and when I have time will give more info, i.e. "soandso you got a 109 long, low 6" or similar so your friend doesn't mistake which bogey you are warning them about. In my squad we call out all new bogeys and identify which you are tracking. We will also dive into certain death to save a squadie, and "surprise" sometimes you all make it out alive.
The moral to the story... AH etiquitte sucks, you have to join a squad to really get any co-operation and tactics.
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Hmmm, yeah...check six's.
I will give them when I can, usually over vox.
This is one of the most abused aspects of the game IMHO.
When I get a check six (not over vox) I immediately change my flight attitude and scan around looking for the badguy. All to often it is an inadvertent six call, or someone trying to draw my attention to them while they are on the deck surrounded by red icons.
Now, if I wanted to be on the deck and surrounded/ outnumbered by a bunch of red icons I would already be down there with you. If you put yourself in that position, chances are I'm not gonna dive in and die trying to bail you out.
As for giving them, I dont always get the right guy highlighted when I'm busy, so I am likely to use VOX. I have been told by different people..." I dont use VOX so how was i supposed to hear your six call?", after they whine to me about not getting a check six. Are they deaf as well as voxless? who knows..we have brail ATM's at the drive through at the banks too. Go figure.
Have also heard "You know, sometimes a check six isn't really meant as a check six, I needed help down here."
Jeeeeebuz...You give me a check six, pulling me off of an intended victim, because I now think someone is saddling up on me, and you want me to come screaming down to help you because you are all alone, and surrounded by the whole Knit/Rook/Bish airforce.
Ahhh..Yup. I'll be right down Pardner!
Check six?..I'll stick with VOX.
Oh, and Steve, I'll bet ya I ram better than you LOL. Have a film where I was in a pony, flew through a horde of red and dragged a 190 away with me. Took him about 7K away, turned on him and had a pretty good fight on my hands actually. Unfortunately, just when I finally had him and administered the coup de'gras, I proceeded to continue on and fly right into his flaming wreckage.
Every time I watch that film I swear it goes into slow motion as I am flying into him.
Cheers,
RTR
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Originally posted by 1K0N
So next time you get blasted by an enemy plane in a Furball without receiving a complimentary checksix, you must yell as angrily as possible, as loud as you can, on range channel, "Check my friggen six you Arsewhles"
You will be doing your country a favor!!
cant forget to yell on channel 1 that they are cheating when you get shot down:aok
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I will normally have Great SA. I give check 6's from my alt of 15k while diving in to save them, but then i suck at managing my E well and i end up being the one gang bang while the person i tried to save flies off. I whine sometime but usually im good and feel great to know i saved someone.
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I dunno guys, I think you get them as you give them. I've had plenty of ck6 I never expected that saved me and I appreciate it, I always do the same as much as possible.
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We should all give check 6's when ever possible. Ultimately it can only help educate those that don't.
I hate looking back and seeing 2/3 friendlys chasing a bastage d1.5 from my own six, worried to death about giving me a 6 call in case I have the affront to break and lose them their kill.
ah well
wipass
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Now, if I wanted to be on the deck and surrounded/ outnumbered by a bunch of red icons I would already be down there with you. If you put yourself in that position, chances are I'm not gonna dive in and die trying to bail you out
Wow, that blows. Remind me to never help you out when you get in trouble.
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"I got enough to do in a dogfight without hunting around my keyboard for the ' key just so some unaware, low and slow target can turn just before he gets whacked. "
My god man you must fly alone alot. Their is a difference between being on auto climb chatting on CH.1 and getting popped and being in a tuff fight and getting whacked from behind by a cherrypicker. Yea bad SA on my part, but I would be pissed to see you fly by pickin your nose sayin "not my problem" while Im in my chute. Arent your fellow friendly fliers called "countrymen"? I hope your not a bishop.
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I'm a member of the check your own club myself, I don't want to depend on others for something that important, but I try to give them a lot especially if I find myself in a fight with no 6 chatter going on. I always go verbal, I think I've probably given out more key 6's in error than I have correct ones. If you want to hear them, make sure you give them, a little bit of 6 chatter usually gets it going.
If you are hearing chatter and you just don't hear a 6 for you, well, I don't think it's anything to get p.o.'d about.
As far as bait goes, if you fail to look back long enough that you become true "bait", you've only got yourself too blame. If you're furballing and it takes more than 4 or 5 seconds to take your shot, you better be looking back to see what's going on behind you. It only takes a split second to hit your 2 key on the key pad and see if you're clear.
Just my .02.
edit: "I just hate it when I turn around a go defensive with an aircraft behind me, only to see 5 guys trying to gangbang the con behind me, and not a single one of these guys say, “Hey Skip, spit at your 6, working it” Instead they are to busy trying to get the kill and not letting me know I am about to get sent back to the tower."
Well, not taking back what I said above, but yes, that does suck an egg.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Wow, that blows. Remind me to never help you out when you get in trouble.
If you get yourself into a situation of being ganged because you have bad judgement or zippo SA, you should be left to your fate... Why compound the mistake?
My regards,
Widewing
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Yeah check sixes are nice, but somebody mentioned SA; I agree with him. It takes time to develop real good SA, there's just too many blind spots around the plane at different attitudes of flight. I agree it is frustrating when there's tons of guys and few enemy and nobody gives a check six. It's not a perfect world and even in the most ideal situation some bandit is going to get you with several of your countrymen engaging in watching their own vectors, and their own sixes.
For the guys who yell and cry over the range channel, I say, "get over it!!". It happens and nobody truly knows why it happened sometimes, but to just arbritrarily go off is a bunch of idiocy. I don't do it and I've been nailed several times but never do I go into a tirade and yell at guys on range channel. I'm not your babysitter watching your six and making sure you don't get in trouble at every single situation. However, I do appreciate it when my six is callled out and I would do the same back, when and if I see the guy on your six.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Wow, that blows. Remind me to never help you out when you get in trouble.
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Why would I jump into the middle of a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy, fighting over one little piece of meat?
For that matter, why would you jump in?
RTR
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When I get a check 6 call I immediately bail out.
I can't tell you how many times my squad mates have saved me that way.
God Bless them, every one.
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Originally posted by RTR
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Wow, that blows. Remind me to never help you out when you get in trouble.
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Why would I jump into the middle of a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy, fighting over one little piece of meat?
For that matter, why would you jump in?
RTR
Umm...teamwork?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Well, I don't know about you, but I try to teach my squad mates that diving into a horde of red is basically suicide.
Look before you leap. If you go charging into a hopeless situation why would you expect a team mate to come down and die with you?
So, why wouldn't I dive on in to try to help you?
Teamwork.
Someone's gotta be able to carry out the mission.
'Nuff said. I'm out. Enjoy the frenzy.
RTR
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Personally I don't expect people to sacrafice themselves to help me. If I'm totally stuck, I probably screwed up.
No reason to compound the mistake.
I'd rather my teammates get the edge and win the battle and let me replane.
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Originally posted by Kanth
Personally I don't expect people to sacrafice themselves to help me. If I'm totally stuck, I probably screwed up.
No reason to compound the mistake.
I'd rather my teammates get the edge and win the battle and let me replane.
Then again Kanth ... those 2 planes that you drag can also become FOOD !!!
I will always drop in to help a teammate ... squaddies come first tho ... :D
Many times I have dropped in just for the zoom to cause them to break and have not put myself into a bad position.
Check 6s ... well ... I never expect them, but when you are fighting with multiple (10+) countrymen and there is not one peep on vox from anyone ... I dont understand it.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Then again Kanth ... those 2 planes that you drag can also become FOOD !!!
Ahhh, but who actually drags?
YEARS ago (back in WB days) I wrote up a little essay on how to most effectively drag for your countrymen. I've posted it occasionally since then. Looks like it's time to dig it up and repost it.
So few people know how to help you help them anymore.
FWIW, I fall on the "Your 6 is your own responsibilty" side of the fence. I often give 6 calls (typically over VOX these days. Makes sure the right person is being warned), but I never really expect one. Yeah I get a little upset if the lone bad guy in the entire sector manages to get behind me without any of the dozens of my countrymates giving me a warning, but when it comes down to it, that's MY fault an no one elses.
Who knows what everyone around you is doing. AFK, watching TV while cruising to alt, masturbating, talking on the phone, yakking on the public channel.... It's not anyone elses duty to watch over me and warn me of danger.
If they do so, I'm grateful. But expecting it is foolish.
D
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Originally posted by RTR
Well, I don't know about you, but I try to teach my squad mates that diving into a horde of red is basically suicide.
Look before you leap. If you go charging into a hopeless situation why would you expect a team mate to come down and die with you?
So, why wouldn't I dive on in to try to help you?
Teamwork.
Someone's gotta be able to carry out the mission.
'Nuff said. I'm out. Enjoy the frenzy.
RTR
With the right teamwork, two can be left to carry out the mission, instead of whoever is left.
As an example, a team mate of mine was in the middle of a mess and being hounded by a Typhie a few nights ago. I had alt so I called the 6 then dived on the bandit. The bandit broke, my team mate escaped and I was able to use the E gained in the dive to get clear as well...see, teamwork. Didn't consider it a sacrifice. I considered it my duty to my team.
But, we are not even talking about charging into a furball or you sacrificing yourself, we are talking about the courtesy of giving a "Check 6" when possible. Every situation is different. The one I described called for action, but most times they don't. You are just helping a guy out.
Teamwork...it's a concept. You should try it sometime.
This PSA brought you by the Nasty Dead Men (NDM). Nasty Dead Men: where we work as a team and complete the mission.
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So few people know how to help you help them anymore.
I love setting up my teammates
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I prefer using range vox to "check 6" because it eliminates the erroneous ck-6, but if your ID has more than one syllable and can’t be deciphered in a half second, you may not get the vox ck-6 from me. By the time I figure out the name, it’s too late.
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Originally posted by Kanth
When I get a check 6 call I immediately bail out.
I can't tell you how many times my squad mates have saved me that way.
God Bless them, every one.
LOL...yeah
6 call's great to clear a squaddie out of your way so you can get his kill!
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Originally posted by Blammo
As an example, a team mate of mine was in the middle of a mess and being hounded by a Typhie a few nights ago. I had alt so I called the 6 then dived on the bandit. The bandit broke, my team mate escaped and I was able to use the E gained in the dive to get clear as well...see, teamwork. Didn't consider it a sacrifice. I considered it my duty to my team.
We're not talking about a teammate being involved with 1 or 2 cons, we're talking about them diving into a horde of red, and then yelling for help.
Geez, half the kills I get involves shooting an enemy off some guys six.
Anyone dumb enough to wade into a horde and then expect everyone to run to their rescue absolutely deserves the butt kicking they're about to get. Eventually, hopefully, they'll get a clue.
Then again, I am always happy to shred the target fixated conga line following him.... LOLOLOL
My regards,
Widewing
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we're talking about them diving into a horde of red, and then yelling for help.
Voluntary chum planes are valuable indeed. I love helping these guys, assuming there are not other threats in the area that preclude me from jumping in.(what WW is referring to)
I get pavlovian when I happen upon some low rook w/ 5 or 6 guys trying to kill him. Invariably they are all low and slow, turing in nice predictable circles. It almost always ends the same... you can't save him from the horde, but can swat half the goobs on his 6 w/ impunity.
Brings me to another thought. If I'm flying and see 2 or more of my fellow rooks on a guy, I'll find something else to attack, after confirming they are ok.
Why is it a pile of 5 or more guys are happy to chase the same lone target, while many of them disregard their own 6 entirely?
Here's to the chum planes! :aok
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Originally posted by Widewing
We're not talking about a teammate being involved with 1 or 2 cons, we're talking about them diving into a horde of red, and then yelling for help.
Geez, half the kills I get involves shooting an enemy off some guys six.
Anyone dumb enough to wade into a horde and then expect everyone to run to their rescue absolutely deserves the butt kicking they're about to get. Eventually, hopefully, they'll get a clue.
Then again, I am always happy to shred the target fixated conga line following him.... LOLOLOL
My regards,
Widewing
I love diving into a horde of red, just so Steve can get some more kills :)
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God loves you Palef, and so do I.
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i love diving into a horde of rook red so i can scare the crap outta steve when he tries to cherry me.
:D
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Lol, I remember a certain flight just a couple of nights ago... my spitV cherried by a certain guy... SHANE in a 51!!!!
Are you the pot or the kettle?
:D
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i'm the hammer. and i do hurt 'em!!
:D
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I've been reading all of these replies and I have come to only one conclusion. Chk 6 calls are not about self SA. Giving chk 6 calls is about common curtisy and desciency, it's about working together as a country, knowing that if your countryman gets shot down no matter how poor his SA is, it's only going to make your job more difficult. I will also agree that while your zigging here and zagging there in a heavy furball it's very difficult to watch every body and if I miss some one than I appologize. But there are certain times of the day when a certain group of knights do not give out chk 6's and I can't understand why.
Something else that annoyed me today was when I was D150 from an LA7 getting ready to make the money shot and some dweeb comes in from my high 6 in a faster airplane and steals the kill. As soon as the LA7 goes boom, I look behind me to find a Zero d350 off my tail. Why didn't this guy cover my 6 and go after the Zero inteade of stealing my kill? If I see a countryman chasing closely behind con and another con is manuevering behind him, I'll go after the 2nd bogey while giving a chk6.
How I came out of it with only losing a rudder is beyond me. But it kind of goes to the self centeredness and greedyness of this game and the lack of working together as a team that all 3 countries complain about .
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ooo yeah med, i feel ur pain. happens to me now and then, very annoying to say the least.
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Originally posted by meddog
I've been reading all of these replies and I have come to only one conclusion. Chk 6 calls are not about self SA. Giving chk 6 calls is about common curtisy and desciency, it's about working together as a country, knowing that if your countryman gets shot down no matter how poor his SA is, it's only going to make your job more difficult. I will also agree that while your zigging here and zagging there in a heavy furball it's very difficult to watch every body and if I miss some one than I appologize. But there are certain times of the day when a certain group of knights do not give out chk 6's and I can't understand why.
Something else that annoyed me today was when I was D150 from an LA7 getting ready to make the money shot and some dweeb comes in from my high 6 in a faster airplane and steals the kill. As soon as the LA7 goes boom, I look behind me to find a Zero d350 off my tail. Why didn't this guy cover my 6 and go after the Zero inteade of stealing my kill? If I see a countryman chasing closely behind con and another con is manuevering behind him, I'll go after the 2nd bogey while giving a chk6.
How I came out of it with only losing a rudder is beyond me. But it kind of goes to the self centeredness and greedyness of this game and the lack of working together as a team that all 3 countries complain about .
No doubt checking your own six is strandard operational procedure for anyone with average SA. But, not everyone's SA is created equal. I've known guys who are brilliant pilots with good gunnery and decent SA up to a point. You put more than three enemies in their general vicinity, however, and they get sensory overload. Not everyone's brain is inherently efficient at multi-tasking. That great pilot with below-average SA is a tremendous asset to me in a fight, I want him to live. Do I give him a check 6? Yes. Why? Because I want him to survive in order to enhance my own effectiveness and that of my team in this localized area. One more friendly zipping around is that much more potential SA overload for the enemy.
Some people have enough SA for themsleves 10 enemy and 4 or 5 friendlies in their area. Those people can hand out check 6's like candy. Just realize not everyone is so well endowed with SA. But, certainly, those that can encompass several friendlies within their sphere of SA should hand them out liberally. On the other hand, don't be particularly upset if you don't get one, chances are the friendly you were expecting it from was as oblivious as you were to the threat.
Zazen
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Thank you. Thats all I have to say about that....
Help a brother out and throw a check six every now and then. What does it hurt????
SkipNutz
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Morpheous, I for one vouch that you are a decent chap in the arena. I recall recently your attempt to bail me out of a 3 or 4 on one. I didn't know you were in a 262 until I was on the deck! But I thank you!
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Last night I found myself in a small furb, very few targets but one good nme pilot who seemed to evade my unsteady shots, as we come out of a turn and he lines up on two friendlies I was faced with two choices in a split second, throttle back and trim up so I didn't pancake the terrain or check six the two freindlies...My split second choice was throttle down and trim up... I missed the check six call and immedialty got ripped on range with very harsh words and probably deserved "shrecking moron" .. Hey on friday night at 11:00, sobriety is not my strong point.. My apoligizes to whom ever that was. And thats "Mr shreckin Moron" to me!
IKON
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I check 6 whenever I can but your 6 is your responsibility
Check 6 early and often
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I agree that your 6 is your own responsibility. For a while I was constantly getting killed by bad guys coming in low on my six and not getting any six calls, that taught me if I wanted to stay alive I needed to often check low 6.
But when I am in a furball or any other situation for that matter I try to give check sixes. It just makes more sense to me to try and keep my countrymen alive so the odds stay in our favor. I have noticed that the side with the most numbers usually come out the winner in a fight, if you can save a few of your fellow pilots the odds that you will survive improve.