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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ack-Ack on February 20, 2004, 08:06:05 PM
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Beta 15 and still no P-38.
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Stop complaining Ack-Ack...
Natedog making P-38L with 1000000 polygons for you just now.
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btw I want to say "Beta 15 and no Japan aircraft" too.
I know it's beta.....
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Originally posted by Mitsu
btw I want to say "Beta 15 and no Japan aircraft" too.
I know it's beta.....
Heh, Still no F4Us Corsair and surely I can wait! :D :aok
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Only one million? :[
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no la7s either... waaaah...
oh wait, that's a good thing.
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geesg whiney lot aren't you
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Well it started off with a perfectly legitimate post about the very painful and obvious void left by the lack of a P-38.
As for these other people, groupies and stragglers. Pfft.
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Originally posted by Dessy
Well it started off with a perfectly legitimate post about the very painful and obvious void left by the lack of a P-38.
Exactly. Anyone that has known me in the years that I've been playing online flight sims know that I only fly one plane. It just sucks no being able to fly it in AH2 yet.
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Originally posted by Mitsu
Stop complaining Ack-Ack...
Natedog making P-38L with 1000000 polygons for you just now.
I'm hoping the wait is because they're taking out the auto-flaps
ack-ack
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Save the best for last.
really in AH 1 the later planes just look better
just let natedog/superfly experience first with these unimportant models.
time to finish all spits 109 and stangs.
Still it's time to reward the P38 pilots
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> really in AH 1 the later planes just look better
Hmmm...
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I especially like the Bf-109E in AHI, it's interior is really awsome! one of the best :)
I really think the German planes lack interior detail, for example, the P-51 (especially in AHII) is brizzled with equipment while the Fokke Wulf or Messerschmidt has only about 2 fake levers!
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The prettiest and best planes are more complex. I hope they fix auto retract too, or at least raise the threshold a bunch. The base model needs to be a really good looking version, like "California Cutie", "Scat IV", "Scrap Iron IV", "Texas Terror", or "Happy Jack's Go Buggy".
I can wait, so long as it's for a good ride. Fixing the compression model would be nice too. I guess I need to learn skins, like I did for AW, and do my own. I have a great idea for my own nose art.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The prettiest and best planes are more complex.
Which is why they got the Spitfires out the way first - and are saving the smurfy p-38 for last. Fat ugly pos that it is.
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Because they're simple and homely, much like the vast majority of the clowns they have for pile-its. Looking at those things it's no wonder the Brits coined the term "prang".
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
"Scat IV",
Wasn't Scat IV a P-51D? I thought Scat II was the last P-38 he flew.
In either case, it would be really nice to see either a Scat II skin for the P-38 or Scat IV for the P-51D. Would be a nice tribute to one Riddle's Raiders.
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I'm hoping the wait is because they're taking out the auto-flaps
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If flaps didnt auto retract they would rip off.
Why would you want your flaps to rip off instead of auto retracting?
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Originally posted by Sundowner
I'm hoping the wait is because they're taking out the auto-flaps
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If flaps didnt auto retract they would rip off.
Why would you want your flaps to rip off instead of auto retracting?
Because a P-38 is equipped with Fowler flaps that work at higher speeds, and they don't rip off. Auto retract was not an available function on the P-38, and it is an annoyance to a good P-38 pilot. Learn to fly the plane and you won't need the "game" to do things you should do yourself, and would be better off if you did. The flaps autoretract long before you'd actually retract them, and they'll put you into a stall/spin, costing you a fight you should have won.
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hitech
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Registered: Jul 1999
Location: Grapevine TX
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No GUNERZER it is not true. 2 Questions are being mixed with 1 answere.
On the auto retract flaps question, it seems to me that everone who wants to get rid of auto retract flaps wan'ts flaps at faster speeds. If we were to get rid of the auto retract flaps the only difference would be ,instead of retracting the flap it would be damaged and unsible at the same speed they auto retract now.
The other questions is on a specific planes flap speed, they are set on a per plane basis with the data we have availble.
HiTech
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Originally posted by Sundowner
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hitech
Administrator
Registered: Jul 1999
Location: Grapevine TX
Posts: 2046
No GUNERZER it is not true. 2 Questions are being mixed with 1 answere.
On the auto retract flaps question, it seems to me that everone who wants to get rid of auto retract flaps wan'ts flaps at faster speeds. If we were to get rid of the auto retract flaps the only difference would be ,instead of retracting the flap it would be damaged and unsible at the same speed they auto retract now.
The other questions is on a specific planes flap speed, they are set on a per plane basis with the data we have availble.
HiTech
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That does not make it correct, nor does that make it the right thing to do. Flaps are supposed to be PILOT CONTROLLED. When flying a plane that has a specific advantage due to the proper operation of a specific component, the pilot should retain full control of that component. I like Dale, I respect Dale, and I appreciate what he's done. However, in this case he is just plain wrong. I know real pilots who flew the plane in combat, and I know how the flaps should work, and why they should work that way. It is very simple, the P-38 should not have autoretract flaps, because the real plane did not.
I'd like to see the modeling of each plane as close to 100% fidelity to the real plane as possible. The more closely it follows the real plane the better. Autoretract is something that belongs in the "easy" or "beginner" mode. If the pilot had control of the function, I want control of it. If the plane exhibited mach tuck at a certain speed and you had to know how to fly it out of mach tuck, that's what I want. I don't fly AH because it is the "easy mode", I fly it because I want the maximum simulation fidelity. I don't want the computer doing it for me. I'd much rather risk wrecking my flaps and maintain control than have them autoretract and cause me to lose control. I can survive wrecked flaps a lot easier than I can stalling and spinning in front of an enemy plane.
The "easy mode" doesn't belong here, this ain't "playstation", "x box", or "atari". This is Aces High, a combat flight simulation.
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PUNT !!!!!
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What about the c202 aswell?
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Originally posted by BenDover
What about the c202 aswell?
And therin lies the problem. Many planes have an avid fanbase, but they can't all be included at once.
-Sik, waiting patiently for the Yaks lol.
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Here's to hoping Sundowner notices the 'quote' button soon. ;)
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Here's to hoping Sundowner notices the 'quote' button soon.
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:P
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Shazbot!
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Shazbot!
*off topic mode on*
tribes2 is a good game.
*off topic mode off*
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tribes2 is a good game
No, Tribes is a good game. Tribes 2 is merely mediocre.
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If you guys want to open up that can o' worms, please take it to tribalwar.
Sooo... about those auto-retracting flaps! HiTech says they would break off around 250, is that true? I say we build a P-38 from scratch to test it!
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we need something like this:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_277_1077590880.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/picpopup.php?ImgId=3554)
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Amazing. What game?
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my first thought was some UBI game but i dunno what it is! WHAT IS IT!!
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Originally posted by Sundowner
I'm hoping the wait is because they're taking out the auto-flaps
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If flaps didnt auto retract they would rip off.
Why would you want your flaps to rip off instead of auto retracting?
Because the P-38 in real life didn't have auto-retracting flaps and in all the years I've played online flight sims, this is the only one that has had that feature. In the other two online flight sims I've played, I only recall damaging my flaps from over speeding less than a dozen times. It's the risk you face when flying the plane and I really don't see why HiTech sees it as a game balance issue. He didn't have that thought when he made that other game.
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Originally posted by Dessy
No, Tribes is a good game. Tribes 2 is merely mediocre.
Tribes 2 Classic isn't all that bad but grew bored with it with all the script kiddies running around.
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Only 1 question...
Renegades or Shifter? My housemate STILL plays that game.
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I didn't like either of those mods and always spent my time in Tribes in the base servers or in Tribes 2 playing the Classic Base servers.
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Tribes... base station servers... 2 channel ISDN line... oh yes, a simpler time.
*said in best mother whine voice* "You have 2 phone lines and they are always busy?! Why are they always busy?!?"
:D :D
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everybody knows that no 38s leaves everyone else in the cold too, for their easy kill dogfight appetizer.
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beta 16 is released! and still...
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