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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Jester on February 23, 2004, 06:45:30 AM
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What was a "quirk" of the M-1 GARAND rifle that the troops that used it really hated?
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Was difficult to reload in the middle of a clip?
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the sound of the clip ejecting when you fired off the last round, the Germans figured out that when they heard that very distinct ping sound that the other guy's rifle was empty.
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and ditto what delirium said, soldiers would just fire off any rounds left in the garand rather that try to reload half a clip
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ping!! of the clip extracting and the fact you couldn't top up the 7 round clip.
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8 round clip, it could be topped off but it was very difficult to do
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Lol Jester, it looks like we've got a new Brady :) :aok
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I like M1 Garand and I dont see any problem at all which i have use it couple times. Probably the problem is the jam or too loud?
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The sound it made at the end of the clip is the answer I believe.
However another little issue was the weight of pull on the bolt mechanism. That thing is heavy. More than a few people have gotten what I believe was called "M-1 Thumb" from that thing.
Of course it matches the weapon which was a heavy SOB to begin with.
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The real problem was that you cannot "Top Off" the magazine once it has been inserted into the rifle.
MiG
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No MP3 Player?
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Also wasn't it easy to catch your thumb in the mechanism after you inserted a fresh clip?
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Yup Soulyss,
The problem was the cartridge loaded from the top not the bottom.
So picture this big heavy bolt you pull back and lock, then push the cartridge down into the breach. When you pop it in the bolt unlocks and slams shut fast. Hence "M1 thumb" or any other appendage you have in there at the time.
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I'd not heard this in reference to the European front (I'm sure it was probably the case) but on the Pacific front, infantry guys used to carry empty garand clips with them, fire about 3 shots, throw the clip on a hard surface to make the "ping", the japanese soldiers would come out of hiding and charge thinking the americans were reloading, then the americans would let them have it.
Just a tidbit if you never heard it before =)
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the bolt will not close on it's own after you load a new clip, you must pull the bolt sligtly to the rear to unlock the bolt , then let it go forward.
the "M-1' thumb occured during inspection or cleaning.
on a unloaded M-1 the bolt will lock open and to close it without a clip in the well you must depress the spring loaded "follower' in the well at the same time move the bolt sligthly to the rear to unlock it...now is the tricky part ....you have to keep pressure on the follower (thumb in the well) wile leting the bolt move foward past the bolt lock....then you have to get your thumb out of the way quick, not too hard to do if your carefull but get careless or try to go too fast.....slam=M-1 thumb, most people only do it once.
i was trained in the M-1 and M-14
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Originally posted by F4UDOA
The sound it made at the end of the clip is the answer I believe.
However another little issue was the weight of pull on the bolt mechanism. That thing is heavy. More than a few people have gotten what I believe was called "M-1 Thumb" from that thing.
Of course it matches the weapon which was a heavy SOB to begin with.
I think B.A.R. is the heavy weapon for USA, but i aint sure and it good weapon.
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The Ping of an Ejecting empty clip. Several GIs in Both theathers started carrying around extra empty clips and after a couple rounds fired, they would Ping the clips together. My Grandfather was one that did just this. He killed several Japanese when they raised their head to get a better shot this way.
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The "PING" on the ejection of the empty clip it is.
While the M-1 Garand did have a few problems such as the problems loading a half empty clip, the weight and length of the rifle - the thing they REALLY hated was the "Ping" noise that told the enemy they were out of ammo and reloading. Like several of you stated many GI's carried empty clips to throw against hard objects to reproduce the sound to fool the enemy into coming out.
Congrats All! :aok
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Originally posted by Jester
Many GI's carried empty clips to throw against hard objects to reproduce the sound to fool the enemy into coming out.
ROFL! Pretty damn smart ;)
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I was just about to write about this when I read your post.
This trick was also used against the Germans as well. It seems upon hearing this ping the germans knew the soldier was out of ammo and would be reloading so they would use that moment to rush his position.
the GIs would use that trick to fool the enemy into charging then blast away at them while they were in the open.
Or as you said raised their head/exposed themselves for a better shot.
LOL classic example of "when life gives you a lemon. Make lemonaid"
Originally posted by Kommandant
The Ping of an Ejecting empty clip. Several GIs in Both theathers started carrying around extra empty clips and after a couple rounds fired, they would Ping the clips together. My Grandfather was one that did just this. He killed several Japanese when they raised their head to get a better shot this way.