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Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: rpm on February 24, 2004, 09:03:21 AM
TEACHERS! From The Kansas City Star (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/8023245.htm)
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“So far, all we hear is a lot of old bitterness and partisan anger. Anger is not an agenda for the future of America. " George W. Bush

Woops, Somebody forgot to tell his Cabinet to button their lip until after the election...
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Bush's message came on the heels of controversial remarks by a member of his Cabinet, Rod Paige, the secretary of education.
In remarks to the nation's governors at the White House earlier in the day, Paige called the National Education Association, a longtime ally of the Democrats, a “terrorist organization” because it was resisting provisions of the education bill that Bush signed into law in 2001.

Just because they are fighting unfunded federal mandates they are terrorists. How about slipping some of that Halliburton cash towards the schools to pay for those mandates?
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: Ripsnort on February 24, 2004, 09:06:29 AM
Thats pretty low for this administration to use typical democrat tactics.
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: AKIron on February 24, 2004, 09:08:00 AM
I certainly wouldn't call them terrorists. What federal mandates are the resisting/violating? Your link is pay, got another?
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: rpm on February 24, 2004, 09:13:19 AM
Here's 2 other links:

Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Feb/02242004/nation_w/141927.asp)

Associated Press story (http://pennlive.com/newsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/base/politics-2/107754234010750.xml)
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: AKIron on February 24, 2004, 09:22:15 AM
Poor choice of words and I'm sure he didn't really mean it. He does deserve to take some heat over it, however:

Meanwhile, Paige said he had made it clear to the governors that he was referring to the Washington-based union organization, not the teachers it represents.


Only someone very selfish would deny a child a better hope to succeed. It's easy to see how he let his emotions get the better of him.  

"No Child Left Behind" law, which seeks to improve school performance in part by allowing parents to move their children from poorly performing schools.
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: midnight Target on February 24, 2004, 09:24:58 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Poor choice of words and I'm sure he didn't really mean it. He does deserve to take some heat over it, however:



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"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers We are the president."

--Hillary Clinton.
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: AKIron on February 24, 2004, 09:27:53 AM
Just applying a little well deserved heat there MT. :)
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: Horn on February 24, 2004, 09:32:59 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron

Only someone very selfish would deny a child a better hope to succeed. It's easy to see how he let his emotions get the better of him.  

"No Child Left Behind" law, which seeks to improve school performance in part by allowing parents to move their children from poorly performing schools. [/B]


You might want to actually read the links before posting. It is a federally UNFUNDED mandate. That means they have to pay for it out of their (the state's) own pocket--you know, the pockets that got cut last year to pay for the tax cut?

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Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: lasersailor184 on February 24, 2004, 09:36:44 AM
Hehe Ripsnort, you gave me a good laugh.
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: AKIron on February 24, 2004, 09:36:54 AM
Well, I really don't see how letting a child pick a school is going to be an exceptional burden on the local tax payers. The kids are going to go to school somewhere right? Please explain why this should be funded federally. Don't shake yer head to hard, something might come loose.
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: Lizking on February 24, 2004, 10:26:31 AM
Anyone with dealings with the NEA would know that, in fact, they are pretty damn close to a terrorist operation, only worse because they affect only our children.
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: Ripsnort on February 24, 2004, 11:47:41 AM
Lets not forget what  John Kerry said in Jan. 1996, commenting on the federal government shutdown, Kerry called the House Republicans 'legislative terrorists,' who used federal workers as pawns and disrespected them. Asked about his terrorist comment, Kerry explained, 'Terrorists hold hostages, and the Republicans are holding the government hostage'.

Yep. We've lowered to the democrats' standards, haven't we rpm?
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: rpm on February 24, 2004, 11:55:07 AM
Rip, do you really want to bring up Newt as a defense to this? (waiting for that pitch across the center of the plate)
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: GtoRA2 on February 24, 2004, 11:59:15 AM
Teachers unions blow.

I know of a case of a tenured Teacher who missed over half his school year and could not be fired for it.

They suspect he had another job....


Maybe some unions are needed, but teachers unions are a bad joke and the kids pay for it.
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: Horn on February 24, 2004, 12:11:39 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Well, I really don't see how letting a child pick a school is going to be an exceptional burden on the local tax payers. The kids are going to go to school somewhere right? Please explain why this should be funded federally. Don't shake yer head to hard, something might come loose.


If that (vouchers and the like) were the whole of the act, you might have a point to match the one on your head; however, there are at least a dozen other parts of the NCLB that are objectionable.

While I do not agree with all the points depicted on this website, it does do a passable job of dissecting the issues...

http://nochildleft.com/2003/jancov03.html#index

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Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: AKIron on February 24, 2004, 07:24:17 PM
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Originally posted by Horn
If that (vouchers and the like) were the whole of the act, you might have a point to match the one on your head; however, there are at least a dozen other parts of the NCLB that are objectionable.

While I do not agree with all the points depicted on this website, it does do a passable job of dissecting the issues...

http://nochildleft.com/2003/jancov03.html#index

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How about being specific about which parts you don't like or think the federal government should fund? I was specific, now it's your turn general ization.
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: Ripsnort on February 24, 2004, 07:31:20 PM
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Originally posted by rpm371
Rip, do you really want to bring up Newt as a defense to this? (waiting for that pitch across the center of the plate)


whos bringing up newt as a defense? I'm just agreeing with you.  The republicans have lowered themselves to democrats standards.
Title: Terrorists Located in America
Post by: rpm on February 24, 2004, 09:29:10 PM
I think we can pretty much agree that calling someone a terrorist is a bad thing. That being said, using the word in 95 carried quite a bit less stigma than it does today. Would Kerry use the same language today? I think not.

Nice effort... and congrats on not sending that hanging breaking pitch.