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Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 24, 2004, 02:37:49 PM
Hi everyone,

My 2 week free trial period of Aces High just ended, and I decided not to join the game.

Since a multiple choice form popped up to ask me why (good move!) and I had to choose "other", I thought it would be only fair if I got into some more detail here.

So why didn't I join Aces High?

1) In-flight radar.

The Aces High radar works almost exactly as the Air Warrior radar worked back when I flew Air Warrior.

I actually prefer it if no radar information is available at all because it makes air combat less predictable, more thrilling, fairer to the outnumbered side and, last but not least, more realistic.

I used to enjoy Air Warrior style radar, too, but it changes the nature of air combat to something more like a game of chess. Planning and artificial 2D situational awareness replace tactical intuition and 3D situational awareness. That's not my kind of game any more.

2) Fuel multiplier.

I expect to be able to stay in the air (and in contact with the enemy) for about 60 min so that I'm able to take off from an un-vulched field, penetrate into enemy territory, stay in combat for a while and then come back and land on an un-vulched (rear area) air field with a useful fuel reserve.

Not every WW2 plane would realistically yield this kind of endurance, of course, but many would.

I found the Aces High MA settings extremely limiting for this kind of flying despite the availability of drop tanks. Combat endurance fell far short of my expectations, and my worst enemy really turned out to be fuel shortage.

I like long, exhausting flights and fail to see what's gained by making them impossible. From the looks of the arena, it certainly can't be realism ;-/ Maybe the majority of the players enjoy short hops and instant action, but personally, I don't.

3) General channel.

Maybe I'm growing old,  but I thought the general channel had way to much traffic there, and too much boasting and whining.

Perhaps it would be possible to create a "nice" channel open for everyone reserved for mutual congratulations, friendly discussion of good fights and polite conversation in general? After all, I'm not in the game to make enemies, but to make friends :-)

I'd willingly leave air superiority on "testosterone" channel to the younger players.

4) On the other hand: What I liked well.

Actually, I liked most of what I saw! :-) Technically, the game is just great, the mission system is fantastic, I like the graphics very much, and the sound of the tower fly-bys at a busy airfield is simply amazing. I love it! What I'd expect from the gameplay side is well within the capabilities of the current program, and I certainly will try to stay in touch with the development so that I can give Aces High another try when I feel it offers gameplay more in line with my personal ideas.

Keep up the great work!

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: dedalos on February 24, 2004, 02:45:05 PM
So, you love the game but because the chat window is busy and you did not try the 51 with drop tanks so you could fly for 30 minutes before you see some action - or for ever without radar - you will not play the game?  Right . . .:aok
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Horn on February 24, 2004, 03:05:26 PM
Wow, after over a thousand posts and YEARS as a member of this board, you just now got to try it out? Amazing.

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Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Pooh21 on February 24, 2004, 03:23:30 PM
wth?
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 24, 2004, 03:43:53 PM
Hi Horn,

>Wow, after over a thousand posts and YEARS as a member of this board, you just now got to try it out? Amazing.

LOL! Good point :-) My old computer just wasn't up to it.

The soul was willing, but the hardware sucked.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: JB73 on February 24, 2004, 03:57:21 PM
all fair comments HoHun... question for you though:

what is the alternative? how does it fill those roles? and why should everyone have to fly the way you want?

none of the above meant in any mean spirited way whatsoever.

just wanted to discuss this.

radar:
i know personally when my country loses radar fully i log off. for me it is no fun flying for 20 min chasing a dot in the sky to find out it's a friendly pony running from the dot chasing it (me). i also have numerous squadmates with lots of "wife" and "toddler" ack (search this BBS if you dont know those lol)

they only have short periods to fly. maybe 30 min straight if they are lucky. the game would be totalyl usless to them.

as for better friendly communication making up for the lac of radar,... IMHO that will never happen. somone doesnt "like" the virtual other person so gives them false info, just to be vindictive. heck i have seen that with dar now. the player base is to broad in language and maturity level to work together fully IMHO

notice the word "Work" in that phrase.. many many pay to play this game not to spend time drawing little maps and "working" on finding the enemy.

another problem with the radar is the icons (they go hand in hand IMHO). there is a faction of "realism" players out there that every now and then demand icons be turned off. then it gets into a huge argument about what the human eye can see, and depth perception. (again search the BBS for these giant arguments). basically what it boils down to is not everyone can afford a 21" plasma moniter and $300 video card. on anything less a plane without icons in the game is 3-4 pixels total at 2500 yards (2.5K in game). not much clarity or fun for most.



oops time to go home from work... i'll add more then.

until then these are just my observations. thats all they are. thoughts on 2 years of playing an avreage of 2 hours a day minium in this online game we are all so addicted to LOL.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 24, 2004, 04:04:35 PM
Hi Dedalos,

>So, you love the game but because the chat window is busy and you did not try the 51 with drop tanks so you could fly for 30 minutes before you see some action - or for ever without radar - you will not play the game?  Right . . .:aok

I love everything but gameplay. Unfortunately, that's a killer criterium.

If you think Aces High is perfect as it is, well, have fun! :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 24, 2004, 04:21:36 PM
Hi JB73,

First, let me say that I often flew with JBs back in the Air Warrior age - great guys, even I don't remember their numbers! :-)

>what is the alternative? how does it fill those roles?

I have no idea :-) In fact, that's what the Aces High crew is trying to figure out. They'd not have asked if they wouldn't care!

>and why should everyone have to fly the way you want?

Realistic endurance wouldn't mean that you'd face a shooting squad if you'd land after a couple a minutes ;-) Your decision, no problem for you!

But with shortened endurance, it's not my decision how long I'd like to fly, so obviously, it's an issue for me.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Batz on February 24, 2004, 04:38:18 PM
Fuel mod is a game killer, especially flying birds without DTS.

The main arena is a land grab shoot umm up and I certainly understand the issues you cited.

You can squelch channel 1 but unless you get folks to join an alt channel you will be alone.

I am not aware if you know this but AH runs 4 multi frame scenarios a year. Currently the Ruhr event is running. No in plane radar, in fact the LW is vectored by ground controllers who have access to dot radar, but radar update delay is at 2 min (dots update every 2 min). They communicate via vox.

I am currently helping design the next scenario based on activities in Kurland Oct 44 - May 45. There will be no radar there as well.

It’s hardly a reason to keep a subscription if you only interest is this type of game play; the main arena is it with no alternative.

I don't know if you looked at AH2. Game play won’t change much in the main arena but HT has plans to develop AH2: Tour of Duty, which will be mission based, with a role-playing element. It will be Allies verse Axis. Radar settings haven’t been discussed so I can't say there wont be any in flight dot radar but game play will shift to mission success rather then capture that flag.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: dedalos on February 24, 2004, 04:42:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Dedalos,

>So, you love the game but because the chat window is busy and you did not try the 51 with drop tanks so you could fly for 30 minutes before you see some action - or for ever without radar - you will not play the game?  Right . . .:aok

I love everything but gameplay. Unfortunately, that's a killer criterium.

If you think Aces High is perfect as it is, well, have fun! :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)


First, nothing is perfect.  If you don't like the game play its a different story.  I was going off the the reasons you wrotte in your post (radar, fuel duration, and chat).  

I think the duration is there for a lot of planes.  Most of the times I will run out of ammo or get shut down before I have to wory about fuel (if I loaded 100%)  I don't understand why you would want to fly for 30 mins or more to find the enemy only to get shut down 50% of the times (I just picked that number, maybe dif in your case)

Radar, well same as above.  Why spend the time enjoing the view and not finding any fights?  Sounds like a waste to me.

Finally, the chat window.  Well, who cares wht is going on in there anyway?  I don't see how that would stop you from plaing the game.

In anycase, those are just my opinions.  Our idea of fun maybe different

:aok
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Ecliptik on February 24, 2004, 07:27:36 PM
The current fuel burn multiplier is good for the maps used in the game now.  Fields are placed so close together that having twice the range would allow penetration too deep into enemy territory without the use of drop tanks, and four engined bombers would pretty much be able to fly across the full breadth of a map and back again.  Lowering the burn multiplier would require increased map sizes, more spaced out bases, and longer transit times.  

I shudder to think of the whining that would ensue on the boards from lazs and the gang.  :)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Flit on February 24, 2004, 08:40:20 PM
try .squlech 1 to get rid of channel 1
try CT or the scenarios for gameplay
take a b 17 w/ full tanks -you can fly  for 8 hours, kill fiters grabbin to kill ya and take out the radar all at once
 
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Kweassa on February 24, 2004, 10:05:38 PM
I understand your personal preference and respect it thoroughly ;)

 But please be sure to come back and try when AH2: ToD mode is online, like Batz said. A lot of people are eagerly waiting for it :)

 
ps) And don't go anywhere from these boards!! You're a valuable asset to HT forums :)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 28, 2004, 04:19:51 PM
Hi Batz,

>I don't know if you looked at AH2. Game play won’t change much in the main arena but HT has plans to develop AH2: Tour of Duty, which will be mission based, with a role-playing element.

Sounds quite promising!

>Fuel mod is a game killer, especially flying birds without DTS.

I discussed the fuel multiplier issue over on the Aces High 2 board:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1127676#post1127676

Pyro doesn't seem to see the game killing aspect, though :-(

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 28, 2004, 04:28:01 PM
Hi Dedalos,

>If you don't like the game play its a different story.  I was going off the the reasons you wrotte in your post (radar, fuel duration, and chat).  

Radar and fuel duration directly impact gameplay.

>I don't understand why you would want to fly for 30 mins or more to find the enemy only to get shut down 50% of the times (I just picked that number, maybe dif in your case)

My idea is 50% for the other guy, and 5% for me :-)

Of course, that's why I can't just climb straight away into the nearest furball.

>Radar, well same as above.  Why spend the time enjoing the view and not finding any fights?

I'm not worried about not finding a fight in a small arena crowded with 200 people :-)

You'd still have tower radar, anyway.

>Finally, the chat window.  Well, who cares wht is going on in there anyway?  I don't see how that would stop you from plaing the game.

It wouldn't stop me by itself. However, if you're new to a game and trying to get to know people, it sure is annoying.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 28, 2004, 04:32:10 PM
Hi Ecliptik,

>Fields are placed so close together that having twice the range would allow penetration too deep into enemy territory without the use of drop tanks, [...]

Penetration depth on a small, densely populated map would always be limited by the amount of opposition you encounter.

>[...] and four engined bombers would pretty much be able to fly across the full breadth of a map and back again.  

Hm, that's what they did in real life, isn't it? :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 28, 2004, 04:36:21 PM
Hi Kweassa,

>ps) And don't go anywhere from these boards!! You're a valuable asset to HT forums :)

Kind words :-)

But it's not me, it's the interaction between so many enthusiastic people that makes HT forums a valuable asset to everyone.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on February 28, 2004, 05:30:20 PM
Could someone plse explain to me the point of all this?

I have posted a 1000 times about a game that I have only just played for 2 weeks . (ok to me a leetle weird)

I don't like the fact that I can't fly for hours. ( Drop tanks and rear fields should sort this one out)

I don't like channel 1. ( Who does, that's what squelch is for rtfm next time.)

I don't like radar/want more radar/want less radar. ( am guessing here as it started to get boring - radar is very seldom on all the time - pesky enemy keep flying long missions and killing it.)

If you don't like it fine - why on earth should anyone pay attention to you based on your two weeks experience - move along find a game you do like. Try Fighter Ace or Warbirds or go play IL2 FB in a room with 3 buddies - that's about it right now for online WW2 air sims.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 28, 2004, 05:52:32 PM
Hi Schadenfreude,

>If you don't like it fine - why on earth should anyone pay attention to you based on your two weeks experience - move along find a game you do like.

The only people who should pay attention are those who'd like me to stay and pay - HiTech Creations, Inc.

If you'd read my first post, you'd see that I posted my comments because they obviously were interested in why players didn't join after the trial period.

>Could someone plse explain to me the point of all this?

RTFM :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Staga on February 28, 2004, 06:00:16 PM
HoHun have you played WWIIOL ?
No radar (That IS great, you actually need to look out for enemy), no fuel-burn multiplier (109E can stay up about 1,5h if carefull with throttle), No Ch.1 (much better signal to noise ratio...) and last but not least they don't have VERY ANNOYING midi-sequence playing in the site visitor hits first (get rid of that, please...).
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on February 29, 2004, 12:19:43 AM
Quote
Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Schadenfreude,

>If you don't like it fine - why on earth should anyone pay attention to you based on your two weeks experience - move along find a game you do like.

The only people who should pay attention are those who'd like me to stay and pay - HiTech Creations, Inc.

If you'd read my first post, you'd see that I posted my comments because they obviously were interested in why players didn't join after the trial period.

>Could someone plse explain to me the point of all this?

RTFM :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)


4000 odd people seem to like it - 1 doesn't, do the math, even a person with a super ego would realise that a supplier is not going to jump when you say frog.

Have lots of fun in your new game.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 29, 2004, 01:03:07 AM
Hi Schadenfreude,

>4000 odd people seem to like it - 1 doesn't, do the math, even a person with a super ego would realise that a supplier is not going to jump when you say frog.

RTFM.

As I pointed out, I merely answered a direct question from Hitech Creations.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Nomak on February 29, 2004, 01:34:39 AM
Henning...... IL2 Forgotten Battles has what you are looking for.  I hope you give it a try.

GL....... Dave
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on February 29, 2004, 01:44:54 AM
lol guess the fact that you never bothered to find out that you could squelch chan 1 and the rtfm remark really got you going - wasn't meant as a personal attack on your intellect or ability - merely to show that two weeks isn't enough in my opinion to give you a thorough grasp of the game.

Two weeks and you might have some idea of the FM and may have mapped yr stick but that's about it, if after 6 months of playing and taking part in CT, MA, Scenario's (awesome btw), CAP and Snapshots you said - Bye all this is not for me - then I and most reasonable people would respect your opinion and wish you well in your search for a game you enjoy - most of us have been in the same position at one time or another.

As it is you merely sound like an arrogant whiner who doesn't really know what he's talking about and tells all the other kids in the playground that he's going home so there!!

No-one cares, not at all, not in the least, bye......
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on February 29, 2004, 01:57:08 AM
Hi Schadenfreude,

>lol guess the fact that you never bothered to find out that you could squelch chan 1

If you had read my first post, you'd have realized that I know .squelch.

However, I don't want to squelch 100% of the players. I'd like to stay in contact with the friendly 20%. Now how do I do that by the book, Mr RTFM? :-)

>No-one cares, not at all, not in the least, bye......

Hitech Creations asked "Why did you decide not to join the game?" If they care, that's enough for me to post here.

Flame me all you want - it only proves that you care about my opinion, too :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Staga on February 29, 2004, 04:57:57 AM
Quote
Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_

As it is you merely sound like an arrogant whiner who doesn't really know what he's talking about and tells all the other kids in the playground that he's going home so there!!

No-one cares, not at all, not in the least, bye......


Are you a ret... err... "special" or what ? Only one I can see whining in this topic is you...

thanks for the laughs :aok
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: frank3 on February 29, 2004, 05:08:18 AM
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Why I didn't join Aces High


You're welcome in my room anytime HoHun, I've set up almost the same settings as the MA (fuelburn is 1.5 tho). We're having regular missions with everyone in formation or anything like that.

Also we only fight without icons, so all icons (even friendly) should be off, this makes the whole mission the most realistic as it can be.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 29, 2004, 05:17:11 AM
1) a. Dont look at the radar dots while in the plane.
    b. HTC could introduce a way to disable your peronal radar  if    so desired.

2) a. P51D with drop tanks

3) a. Ignore it, or
    b. Squelch it

4) a. sign up for the game then
    b. play game
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Ghosth on February 29, 2004, 09:14:30 AM
Actually there was a need for a 2x fuel multi when we were playing exclusivly on smaller maps. Early beta was I believe only 128x128. Most of the rest were 256x.

If we went with all 512x512 maps at 1x1 scale and realistic field distances we could lose the fuel multi.

Problem is thats going to double to triple the time you fly to find the enemy.

While that would indeed appeal to a few HTC has to appeal to as many as possible in order to succeed.

If you want long penitration flights into enemy territory, try the A20 NOE.

As long as you stay a reasonable distance away from enemy fields no one will know your coming.

25% fuel on it will take you a LONG ways, so feel free to load up.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Batz on February 29, 2004, 09:26:33 AM
Hohun's assessment is simply "constructive criticism" and he has some very valid points. There's no need to "beat him up" over his opinion. I am sure you realize that this won’t change his mind anyway.

Schaden,

Hohun's isn’t some nUb; he’s been active in many of the game forums and has contributed even if he hasn't bought a subscription to AH. In fact you yourself are still a bit wet behind the ears so we will chalk your emotions up to "nUb fanboi'ism".

You didn't have to read this thread.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on February 29, 2004, 09:55:06 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Batz
Hohun's assessment is simply "constructive criticism" and he has some very valid points. There's no need to "beat him up" over his opinion. I am sure you realize that this won’t change his mind anyway.

Schaden,

Hohun's isn’t some nUb; he’s been active in many of the game forums and has contributed even if he hasn't bought a subscription to AH. In fact you yourself are still a bit wet behind the ears so we will chalk your emotions up to "nUb fanboi'ism".

You didn't have to read this thread.


Not much in the way of emotion - I simply feel that anyone with 2 weeks playing experience of any online flight sim is not qualified to comment.

However if Hohun is willing to put in the time I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.

I willl purchase 3 months of sub for Hohun on the proviso that he plays at LEAST 30 hours a month. He has to fly Rooks and he must wing up with me on the weekends - his choice of time if he's based in the USA or an agreed time if he's in Europe.

He must take part in the Snapshots and Cap and if we have a another Scenario within 3 months must take part in that.

After the three month period he can then tell us what he thinks.

Fair deal?
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: nopoop on February 29, 2004, 10:02:42 AM
HoHun I'm surprised you didn't comment on ingame voice. It's a huge change from most sims.

It's funny, when I was over at WB for a trial one thing I didn't like was the fuel burn. You could fly forever. I enjoy the fuel management thing accept when the fuel is porked..

Hey you gave it a shot. The main is the playground, just not the sandbox you care for. As Batz said the scenarios would be more to your liking but they are few and far between.

Keep in touch, your input is always welcome
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on March 01, 2004, 04:45:51 PM
Hi Schadenfreude,

>I simply feel that anyone with 2 weeks playing experience of any online flight sim is not qualified to comment.

Anyone who made a decision to stay or to go is qualfied to comment on his decision :-)

It's up to Hitech Creations what they do with the comments.

>I willl purchase 3 months of sub for Hohun on the proviso that he plays at LEAST 30 hours a month. He has to fly Rooks and he must wing up with me on the weekends - his choice of time if he's based in the USA or an agreed time if he's in Europe.

I'm in this for fun, and I don't believe Aces High will be fun for me. Otherwise I'd not hestitate to pay for it myself.

What's more, I'd certainly pick my wingmen based on my own criteria, and if I'm honest, you seem to be incompatible.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: MotorOil on March 01, 2004, 05:07:55 PM
HoHun

Your reasons for not playing are pretty weak.  Sounds more like a whine thread.

1)  Radar, do you really want to fly for an hour and only run into friendlies?  That would be fun.  JB73 has a good point on it.  Perhaps HTC can get rid of the radar and hire a bunch of control operators to vector the good guys in and do a good job of it?  The point is this is a game and there are some things that cannot be replicated programmatically.  Have you tried any Special Events, calendar is posted, you will find no radar in most events.

2) This one really sounds like a whine as you can up from rear fields almost anytime you like.  If you're loosing the war that's another story, but then your field will be almost constantly harassed, getting vulched, fuel porked.  That wouldn't be real at all... (feel the sarcasm)

P51 with DTs will fly for a very long time, especially if you throttle back for cruising.  On many occasions I've kept my alt/speed and prevented getting into those no win situations created by the MTO.  If you don't like it try the CTO, the SE, or the Dueling arena provides for some thrilling actions.  Simply sounds like you are use to someone else's model and haven't adjusted to AH's.  I've had no problem going for 30min plus on a single flight in almost any plane.  Had no problem finding targets and situations favorable for attack in that time.

3) This is a whine.  General channel, try this command

.squelch 1

Problem solved, don't think for a second you alone are going to control what is said on it, so don't let it bother you.  C'mon, it's the Internet....  By the way, there are moderators alive and AI.  There are "nice" channels, like squad, voice, one-one, plus a few more options.


Not trying to be a troll on this topic but let's face it, you posted HoHun.  If you had come on saying you were disappointed with the graphics, game play and the complete flight model fine.  Fuel multiplier is valid, but it is fine for the MA game play and is adjustable for the SP, CT(not sure if they do it there). It sounds like you're comparing AH to another flight sim you've played for years and can't play AH the same way.  

Play the Main when you want action and kills.
Play the CT and SE when you want more historical realism.
Go to the DA when you want a thrill kill.

If you want to be king of the Main, you'll have to play for a lot longer than 2 weeks!!!

;)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Tilt on March 01, 2004, 05:14:23 PM
On the subject of fuel burn I think the AH2 fuel model will/does allow extensive flight time at cruise with realistic increased consumption at Mil and WEP settings.

Hence one of the shorted endurance AC like the La7 would last only 30 mins at mil power but upto 100 mins flown conservatively.

Inflight radar is a game play concession for the MA rarely granted in events. You seem to want some measure of "immersion". This is rarely found in the MA IMO except for the (rare) one on one combat between differing plane types fighting an unknown enemy pilot. For immersion as Batz said you would need to play in events.

Channel 1.............. I agree I wish non game chatter on ch 1 could be sent somewhere else ( like the O club)................ I think on these massive maps its should be made local
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: HoHun on March 01, 2004, 05:59:31 PM
Hi Motoroil,

>Your reasons for not playing are pretty weak.  

Get it: I posted here for the benefit of Hitech Creations. They asked, I answered.

I've said everything I had to say about the game in my first post.

The only disagreement we have is in what we expect from the game. Your expectations were met, you stayed and payed.

Mine weren't, so I left.

As this is an excellent summary and I believe I have a good idea where this thread will be heading to next, I'll simply make this my last post here.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Karnak on March 01, 2004, 06:28:32 PM
I agree with a lot of what HoHun said.

Channel 1 is so bad that I have a macro on my stick that I use to squelch it immediately.

The radar I'm not really in agreement on.  There was radar used extensively in WWII and I play the game to fight, not fly around chasing dots.  Especially givedn the much lower data the visuals provide when compared to reality.


HoHun has valid points though.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Morpheus on March 01, 2004, 11:04:06 PM
uhhh whats going on here? None of this makes any sence:confused:




<-------Looks over head>


Hmmm still dont understand why you would leave the game due to the reasons illustrated in your post. But to each is own.

Oh ya, the stuff on the text buffer... That can be shut off ie Squelchededed. All of it can go away. You can even squelch youself if you feel the need. I do it for fun sometimes:D  Pleople squelch me I squelch them its one crazy circle.

I dont get why you hang around posting, and with over a 1000 posts you just now determin the game isnt for you. Again, this is why I am confused. It seems to me as if you didnt give the game a chance. A fair chance anyways.

Also, there are places other than the MA to have fun and enjoy the game and the planes. You have the DA for werking on those fighter skills. Then the CT for a more realistic feel, I might add that the terrian in the CT is just down right amazing for the most part. Some great 1v1 fights can be had in the CT. Or you can go the the TA or training arena. Here you can help or be helped. And last but not least, we have the MA.

I feel that HTC has done a splendid job of giving everyone a little bit if not everything of what we want and try to make everyone happy. Their customer apreciation as far as on line gaming goes is 2nd to none.

That is all:)

EDIT: is there really a way to map a key to squelch Ch1,2 ect? and ppl also? I am a n00b when it comes to this Teknikal stuff:D
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Batz on March 01, 2004, 11:42:33 PM
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Originally posted by Tilt
On the subject of fuel burn I think the AH2 fuel model will/does allow extensive flight time at cruise with realistic increased consumption at Mil and WEP settings.

Hence one of the shorted endurance AC like the La7 would last only 30 mins at mil power but upto 100 mins flown conservatively.


The problem with a "fuel mod" is 20,000ft is still 20,000ft. You may compress the horizontal but in the vertical you burn more fuel to get to 20k then you would with rl fuel consumption. It’s understandable that HT would go with a fuel mod to make folks conscious of their fuel but there are a lot of side effects.

I am of the opinion all planes should spawn at normal takeoff weight or higher and there should be no fuel mod. With maps at 512 x 512 the fuel mod should be set at 1.

AH2 may fix some of the inaccuracies in some of the planes fuel consumption but there will still be a "fuel mod". Add in fuel porkers and right off a good number of planes end up relocated to point defense only.

Take the ah 109e, 25 min at full power in the main

yak9t 28min etc
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on March 01, 2004, 11:43:19 PM
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Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Schadenfreude,

>I simply feel that anyone with 2 weeks playing experience of any online flight sim is not qualified to comment.

Anyone who made a decision to stay or to go is qualfied to comment on his decision :-)

It's up to Hitech Creations what they do with the comments.

>I willl purchase 3 months of sub for Hohun on the proviso that he plays at LEAST 30 hours a month. He has to fly Rooks and he must wing up with me on the weekends - his choice of time if he's based in the USA or an agreed time if he's in Europe.

I'm in this for fun, and I don't believe Aces High will be fun for me. Otherwise I'd not hestitate to pay for it myself.

What's more, I'd certainly pick my wingmen based on my own criteria, and if I'm honest, you seem to be incompatible.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)


Henning,

I hope you do find a game that you can enjoy, I visited your site some time ago when I was trying to find out some information about Air Warrior - I was curious as to why it folded - and it was obvious that you put a lot of time into the game and enjoyed it.

Good luck in finding a replacement and I'm sorry you won't be joining us.

Schaden
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Pongo on March 03, 2004, 09:26:43 AM
The fuel thing is just wrong.
The radar thing is just wrong.
The channel one thing is self administered.

If you cant afford 15 dollars a month just admit it.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: MotorOil on March 03, 2004, 06:23:58 PM
Well HoHun  I do hope you find a game you like but I say you will find nothing in comparison to this.  Your argument is weak as you post only one item not fixable and it's really not that bad.  I too find it strange you have a thousand posts and two weeks online and then come in here saying why you wouldn't play AH.  Sounds a little trollish.  Granted you're not trashing the game but there is another reason you're not playing.  I think you're trying to say the game is not to your liking.  You haven't mentioned the player feedback you've received on misconceptions you had about AH.
Title: Why I didn't join Aces High
Post by: Oldman731 on March 04, 2004, 07:19:31 PM
HoHun, sorry you're getting such a beating from so many people for trying to help Hitech out with your feedback.  Don't let it bother you.

As for the critics:  HoHun is, and always was, a very competent player, a pleasant poster, and an all-around good guy - even if he doesn't always see things in the correct way.  Not everyone buys a permanent account after the two-week trial, and Hitech wants to know why.  HoHun told him, and us, too, as a matter of interest.  Seems to me that's helping AH out in its own way.  The fact that all of us have been regulars in AH for awhile obviously means that we don't weigh these factors like HoHun does.  So, big deal.

FWIW, I'm with him on the Channel 1 stuff in the MA.  There's so much activity that it becomes virtually useless for maintaining even the most limited conversations.  Doubt that anything much can be done about it, but who knows?  

- oldman