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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Udie on October 01, 2000, 11:22:00 PM
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I've noticed alot of stick stirring since 1.04. I just got off line logged after a zeke did it. Loser levels out lets me get shape on him then at d5 he starts stirring and warps right into me. That trick is realy old and ruins online combat for me. I realy don't understand the people that do that. Hopefuly they feal as pathetic as they look. I'm starting to think that some people exist just to piss others off.
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I doubt he was stick stirring. AH has anti-stick stir code whereby if you move your stick too fast, a message comes up saying that are moving your controls too fast and it will stop responding to joystick input for a few seconds.
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I tried that the other night and it didn't give me the warning.
udie
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I've seen the same thing Udie. a lot. Maybe even more than a lot.
I'm wondering if stick stir warning is even enabled? I can't get it to do it either.
Of course; mebbe it my damped controls.. or mebbe the guy is pulling manuvers faster than the system can display it.. I dunno.
It is aggravating as hell tho.
Hang
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Its in there, but the funny thing is I never saw it with my old saitek joystick, but have been able to get the warning with my wingman extreme.
Gordo
[This message has been edited by Lance (edited 10-02-2000).]
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I haven't seen anything worse than the snap rolls from the A5.. and that seems to even be reduced with 1.04. Can't say I've actually seen a Zeke in the arena though.
The main thing.. no real warping effects up close during heavy ACM situations.
AKDejaVu
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Well when the zeke did this tonight I could clearly see his nose going in circles he did this for about 2-3 seconds flying straight, then the warp and collision. Made me realy angry and I logged. I don't understand the mentality of a person that does that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Udie
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Hi Udie,
I agree, the new E-saving flight model somehow has increased stick stirring problems. Now you can play hard with your joy and peddals and your E remains high.
<EDITED> partially off-topic
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 10-02-2000).]
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Yep, I've been seeing a lot of stick stirring as well. Hate it when you get right on there bellybutton and they start yanking the nose up and down! You can sure tell who knows ACM and who doesn't, dead give away. Wish HTC would model the 'disorientation' that would come with the moves I'm seeing.
ts
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I dont know if its my connect . But ive always enjoyed shooting the floppy fish. Its just one countinous planform shot, back and forth. I like to cut throttle, watch them for awile, let them think they got away. Then kill um. I know, its mean. But its fun.
Its the dam wafer shot that gives me fits. I hosed ol HB one night at 50 yards. didnt hurt him a bit.
[This message has been edited by easymo (edited 10-02-2000).]
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Stick stirring seems to me to be micro warps.
I get warnings if I do it (but have only managed to do so once). Takes a conscious effort of leftrightleftright very quickly.
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StSanta
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Wells, the "anti-stick stirring" routine seemed to have been tuned way back after its release, because alot of people with spikey sticks were complaining about it.
Like Udie, I can't make it come on now if I try.
But I have to agreee that I have seem alot more of these "WB style" defensive manuevers since 1.04. In fact I started some threads concerning this issue about a week ago.
Definitely frustrating.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Tshred posted the answer. Along the same lines as the wounded pilot effect, have stick stirriing mash the pilots balance all to hell even after they're leveled off for a bit.
Been seeing it alot too and it's more pathetic to watch than anything else (to me) . I've yet to find it saved the boogers bellybutton yet but it's like "gaming" the game.
-Westy
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Hey Vermillion, they are not "WB style" defensive moves they are AH style defensive moves unless your playing the other Sim (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ram1
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Hehe your right Ram1, I shouldn't call them that.
But the name "the continuous negative G bunts, make the aircraft porpoise like a sick dolphin, continuous warp/flick roll manuevers, cross control rudder pedal stomping contest, like I use to see out of the aircraft in WB's, and I never saw in AH up to 1.03, and is now prevalent in 1.04" just doesn't have the same ring to it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Kidding
Serious, the reason I use that term was because its the same kind of unrealistic manuevers that have gone on in WB's for years, and most if not all the legit players on AGW complain about themselves.
My apologies, wasn't meant to start a AH vs WBs thread. Was merely trying to make a comparison.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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heya Ram1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie
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ooooooodeeeeeee (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
This BBS is looking more and more like AGW every week.
You guys sure you don't want to adopt Bobn and Lazs <VBG>
Ram1
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hehehehehehe
udie
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I'm sure we could arrange for a bottle or 2 of good malt, if you take them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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I'm not seeing this. The only things I've seen that looked ugly are:
1. When a guy pulls too hard in a turn and does a flick-stall.
2. When a guy spins.
3. When I'm in a big furball or near a field and my FPS goes to hell. Then everything looks like a warp.
But 1 & 2 usually are fatal for the enemy and 3 is the fault of my ancient 2-year old computer. I've been able to saddle up many bandits at 300 yards on in.
I've seen the porpoise move but it's always low frequency, not warpy, and easy to track once you figure out what the runstang err enemy is doing.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-02-2000).]
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well I have... last night a P-51 was doing a good job of stick stirring. took me some time to finnally get enuff pings to hurt him. I was amazed at the manuevers he was pulling.
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I thinks stick-stirring is on the rise. Particularly loads of negative-G hit the rudder pedals like your kicking your dog type stuff.
I've been on guys who instead trying to manoevre out of a fight just stir like crazy. Its really obvious because they stay on the same general course.
I agree with the new E-retention thing, I think its something to do with that. I like the idea someone had of linking a pilots G state to control inputs, ie if your blacked/reded out you can't do sh*t.
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Seems the arena is split three ways.
People that dont see ya coming. and people that dont care your coming cause your rounds are gona miss, and people that will give you a good fight.
I like the good fights, I like the guys that dont see me. I wish I was in a different game when I see a low nik just hanging in there begging 3 hi cons to take a shot at him.
Thats why the chog is so prevelant. It is dangours at greater then effective stick stir range. Someone starts that sillyness with a plane that can cripple it at 800 yards he is taking an increadable risk.(then he complains about the chog.)
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I've been seeing it for a while. Most of the time it's funny, there's no warp. I just see the nose of their plane going in cirlces and the tail sliding back and forth. Since 1.04 though the warps happen when they do this...
Udie
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It really messes me up.. and it get me killed. When they start that stuff; I'm either on a fast B&Z pass; and miss the shot.. or seeing it in progress have to dump my 'e', saddle up and start sprayin.
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The few moments it takes to focus tightly on the madly twitching idjit and THEN having to solve the warp/stir/direction puzzel after I've ALREADY solved the Angles/ACM/Gunnery puzzel seems to more often than not just get me killed by another guy dropping in on my happy pony ass.
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Effectively the stick stirrin is killin me. It certainly makes slowin down and dealin with the guy more of a Hobson Decision than it oughta be.. crap the guy shoulda been dead 3/10ths of a second after I got the angle and lead dialed in on him; and I shoulda been on my way back up on the perch.
Instead; I'm hung on this nitwits flea-flickin butt fer two or three turns, draining my 'e' right out the relief tube tryin to get the fargin twitch/warp/flick crap dialed in. If I say screw it; and overshoot, the guy suddenly get's steady as rails in my six view and here come's his big surprise....
Fargin workloads gettin to be too much. dammit; I'm steamed... "WHERE'S MY GROG; WENCH???!!" Oh damn. Thats right. She moved out the last time I asked that question. Time fer Hairball to start gettin some new workouts. Ahhh.. (a tail drifts pass the chair) ..methinks a cat must be attached to the other end.. [GRAB]
<PUNT!> MEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWW!
I feel MUCH better now.
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Hang
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Guess I saw it for the first time tonight with a Spitfire <cough> driver. Dweebiest moves I've ever seen. And if my Zeke had more ammo he'd have been dead as a door nail.
Looked like he was a marrionette puppet jigging, flopping and twirling around. No connection issue at all -meaning no warps. How the fudge an aircraft can fly forward doing those maneuvers is beyond me. How the heck the ant-stick stirring feature in AH did no kick in is beyond my wildest guess. His wings should have ripped and his head turned into a mushed tomatoe. Dweeby. Absolutely dweeby.
He still died (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 10-02-2000).]
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Gotta admit.. I have never seen what I was sure must be stick stirring until the latest version. AH is my first sim, so I have no previous experience with stick stir, and til now have only gone by descriptions of the "phenomenon" by others. Shortly after the new version, I was chasing a P-51, closed to within d500 and was readying for the inevitable, when suddenly it was as if he became one of those little planes on a stick, only the stick ran through both vert and horizontal axes.. flopping around in ways that would absolutely impossible, and almost as if he suddenly hung in mid air doing this double axis flop. Obviously I zoomed right past him, and he just as suddenly quit flopping, saddled up, and attempted to chase. I evaded and extended safely, but was thoroughly disgusted with what I had just seen. I've seen similar stuff a couple of times since then as well, having not flown much lately due to little available time. Another weird issue is in regards to the stick stirring "warning". I have never received this warning until the newest version, strangely enough. Weirdest part was I was getting it during level flight. My stick was spiking so hard my plane seemed spastic. I attributed this to connection probs, and just upped the damping, thereby fixing it. E retention at times seems a tad unrealistic, but I have no real life reference or experience to justify this feeling... just seems weird some of the things prop planes are capable of doing now. Just throwin my two well worn pennies worth in. Oh, gotta say though... in the words of my teenaged children.... AH still rocks! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Skorpyon
~900th Bloody Jaguars~
"Feel the Sting......"