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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKcurly on February 25, 2004, 04:20:24 PM
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http://www.pdnonline.com/photodistrictnews/headlines/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2096115
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Damn that Jane is one hurt'n unit.;)
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lol plagorism.
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"This was a disturbing attempt to change past history to fit current political motivations."
Just standard Republican tactics. The scum ****ers.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Just standard Republican tactics. The scum ****ers.
yeah, the libs would never do anything like that.
It only sucks when your gore is oxed...
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Jane Fonda is scum.
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Why didn't anyone kill her?
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"This was a disturbing attempt to change past history to fit current political motivations."
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Past history as opposed to future history which has not happened yet.
Federal Department of Redundancy Department, a department of the federal goverment.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Ok, I'll bite. Show me a picture of Bush or any other Republican which has been doctored to look like a real picture with a politically negative effect, like that fake Kerry/Fonda AP newspaper clipping.
You're splitting hairs. There are plenty of photos of Bush done up in Hitler garb circulating around the world. Wanna guess who put those out? Sure wasn't the conservatives. Heck, you saw Weazel's work- he'd practically raised it to an artform, outdone only by MG at AGW.
Slander is slander, and the left is no better/worse than the right at it.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes that's slander ... the Kerry/Fonda picture is forgery. There is a significant difference. Everybody understands that Bush really isn't Hitler, even if he looks good in the uniform.
The Kerry/Fonda picture was and still is being passed as real.
While you might be technically correct, the fact is Kerry was saying things every bit as provocative as Fonda. That doesn't excuse a forgery, but the message the photo carries is in effect true.
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Big dif between forged photos and satirical or defamatory ones.
Geez, did I just agree with GScholtz? shoot me quick!
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes that's slander ... the Kerry/Fonda picture is forgery. There is a significant difference. Everybody understands that Bush really isn't Hitler, even if he looks good in the uniform.
The Kerry/Fonda picture was and still is being passed as real.
The picture is real, it was just made to look like an AP photo from a newspaper. The actual photo was real and Kerry really was there.
There was a forgery of one photo it seems.
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I am not saying it was right to forge photos. It obviously isn't. And there are people passing the Hitler photos around, interesting to see who was outraged and who wasn't, eh? Fact is, both are slander. It's no use trying to assign greater guilt to one side or another, they are both equally bad about it.
How do you feel about Moby suggesting a total fabrication on a website detailing an affair between GWB and some young thang? You think he didn't believe one or more of his fans would do it? He went as far as to say it didn't have to be true, it just needed to be out there. How's that for recreating history?
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From the article
The first photograph to surface showing Kerry and Fonda together was taken by photojournalist Leif Skoogfors at a political rally in 1970. After being discovered by a Kerry opponent and leaked to right wing news outlets, the image started popping up in more mainstream, albeit conservative-leaning media like FOX News, The Washington Times and The New York Sun.
The photo was real, it was just distributed illegally from what I read on that link.
So Kerry AND Fonda are in the photo and it's real.
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No, I don't see how "dangerous" this is.
So someone on the internet merged ONE picture, it ran in NY Times and NY Times 2 days later said it was forged.
Big deal, end of story.
The picure I was talking about was Kerry and Fonda at a rally which is real. Also what it real is Kerry being a speaker along with Fonda in at least 2 rallys.
What is real is that Kerry is "dangerous" not the forged photo.
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(http://www.pdnonline.com/photos/2004/02/news_kerry_light.jpg)
(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2004/02/17/kerry512.jpg)
So Kerry AND Fonda are in the photo and it's real.
No, it's not.
(http://images.washtimes.com/photos/web/20040210-052011-3111.jpg)
This pic IS real. You can see Kerry obviously whispering to Fonda from 3 rows back and 5 seats over as Republicans would have you believe.
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How do you feel about Moby suggesting a total fabrication on a website detailing an affair between GWB and some young thang? You think he didn't believe one or more of his fans would do it? He went as far as to say it didn't have to be true, it just needed to be out there. How's that for recreating history?
Maybe you missed the question?
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so did kerry do fonda or not?
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Originally posted by GScholz
You believed it was real NUKE, so did I until it was revealed it was false. You and me both were duped. You don't think that the political media war has sunk to this level is dangerous?
I never saw that photo that was forged, I only saw the real one. I read the article and it was no big deal. And besides, I was not swayed by ANY photo of Kerry. Kerry's history is well documented and I despise him based on that.
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Originally posted by GScholz
You believed it was real NUKE, so did I until it was revealed it was false. You and me both were duped. You don't think that the political media war has sunk to this level is dangerous?
It wasn't a "political media war", it was one photo merged my someone on the internet ( never happend before Im sure) that duped the NY Times for 2 DAYS before being EASILY DISMISSED.
The NY Times has a history of not checking their sources. This was EASILY identified as a fake.
No big deal. I blame the NY Times for not checking it out first.
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Originally posted by GScholz
You don't get it, but that's ok.
I don't get you, and that's okay by me.
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First and formost I want to say one thing. Thank you to John Kerry for his service.
Now you may continue with your dribble...
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
First and formost I want to say one thing. Thank you to John Kerry for his service.
Now may continue with your dribble...
Yeah thanks for your service Kerry . Now let's look at what means something in the Presidential race, like say, where he stands on important issues.
Can anyone here define Kerry's primary campaign issues? What is Kerry running on?
All I hear from Kerry is him making Vietnam an issue, then complaining that people are making Vietnam an issue. And his statements such as " I picture an attorney general as someone other than John Aschroft" yet offering nothing himself.
John Kerry is a low, negative human being and just because he served does not change that fact. He is running a campaign based entirely on hatred for Bush.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Yeah thanks for your service Kerry . Now let's look at what means something in the Presidential race, like say, where he stands on important issues.
Can anyone here define Kerry's primary campaign issues? What is Kerry running on?
Did you even take the time and effort to FIND OUT (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/) before you started slamming him just because he's a Democrat? Nope.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Did you even take the time and effort to FIND OUT (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/) before you started slamming him just because he's a Democrat? Nope.
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Did I ever slam Kerry?
Why don't you tell me what you think he stands for?
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The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration
great , now what is his plan?
George W. Bush has chosen tax cuts for the wealthy and special favors for special interests over our economic future. John Kerry has a plan to rebuild our future, starting with 3 million jobs in his first 500 days – and a plan to ensure that workers can achieve the American Dream in our changing economy
fantastic! So he will raise taxes? After that what is his plan? Can you explain, because I saw no plan on his site?
What does it gain America to win a war and lose a peace? The Bush failures will cost us dearly in the months ahead, in an Iraq consumed with suspicion, resentment and continued violence. What’s needed now is leadership – to finish the job in Iraq the right way – because America can and must do better.
What is the "Bush failure" exactly? He doesn't say. Kerry will "finish the job the right way" LOL! He doesn't define the "right way" is. Kerry = Mr Ambiguous/ Mr Negative
So can anyone tell me where Kerry stands on anything? Kerry sure can't
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Originally posted by NUKE
great , now what is his plan?
So he will raise taxes? After that what is his plan? Can you explain, because I saw no plan on his site.
So can anyone tell me where Kerry stands on anything? Kerry sure can't
Are you too stubborn to follow the links that detail (in great legnth) each of his plans? Let me help you out...They are on the bottom of each issue under priorities. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by rpm371
Are you too stubborn to follow the links that detail (in great legnth) each of his plans? Let me help you out...They are on the bottom of each issue under priorities. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I read the links.... NO PLANS
Tell me I'm wrong and list his plans. I saw NOTHING.
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Restoring Jobs and Rebuilding Our Economy
George W Bush has chosen tax cuts for the wealthy and special favors for the special interests over our economic future. John Kerry’s priority will be middle class families who are working hard to cover the mortgage, pay the high cost of health care, child care and tuition, or just trying to get ahead.
The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration. Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping layoffs in education.
John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry has the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we can invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their fair share and will end special tax giveaways to companies that ship jobs abroad. And he will defend the rights of workers, consumers and shareholders in holding corporations accountable for their actions.
Show me his plan
Plan for Winning the Peace in Post-Saddam Iraq
Saddam’s Capture Represents Opportunity to Rebuild Alliances and Iraq
Speaking in Iowa, John Kerry outlined a plan for winning the peace in Post-Saddam Iraq, trying the former Iraqi leader, and building a lasting coalition to support our operations.
Capturing Saddam Represents an Opportunity for the U.S. Kerry believes that we have recently seen two major diversions from the historical path of American leadership. On one side is President Bush – who has taken America off onto the road of unilateralism. On the other side are those in the Democratic Party who threaten to take us on a trail of confusion and retreat.
Kerry believes that we don’t need a President who will walk away from the world or a President who will walk alone. He believes that we need a President who will lead the nations of the world into a new era of security, freedom, and peace. Kerry believes that capturing Saddam Hussein provides a new opportunity for the United States to build a broader coalition and win the peace in Iraq. Today he unveiled his plan to rally the world’s free and democratic countries into that coalition.
where's the plan?
John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry has the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we can invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their fair share and will end special tax giveaways to companies that ship jobs abroad. And he will defend the rights of workers, consumers and shareholders in holding corporations accountable for their actions.
I didn't see any ideas or a plan.
rpm372, why don't you tell us what Kerry stands for in your words? Kerry sure wont tell us what he stands for.
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Jezus H Christ...BOTTOM OF EACH ISSUE. PRIORITIES. CLICK ON THE LINK.
You want me to go over each and every single issue or can ya muster enough brain cells to follow directions?
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Originally posted by rpm371
Jezus H Christ...BOTTOM OF EACH ISSUE. PRIORITIES. CLICK ON THE LINK.
You want me to go over each and every single issue or can ya muster enough brain cells to follow directions?
I looked at the PRIORITIES and saw NO PLANS
Why dont you post his plans smart guy? Hey, why not just post ONE plan Kerry has?
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OMG can't you see , kerry's plan is to like do stuff to fix everything, it's very clear to me , kerry is going to BEAT BUSH and then do stuff and then everything will be ok.
for instance , kerry says he will "creat' 3 million new jobs, he will hire 3 million new govt workers, they will have good pay, good health care and good retirement ...see it's just that easy.
happy days are here again, la la la
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I apologuise to everyone for the size of this, but NUKE can't (or won't) look for himself.
John Kerry's Plan to Fight for America's Economic Future
August 28, 2003
For Immediate Release
George W. Bush's policies are destroying America's economic security. Our nation has gone from financial stability to record deficits; from creating 23 million new jobs to losing over 3 million jobs. Corporate scandals - some led by Bush's closest corporate cronies –have wiped out personal savings and shaken investor confidence. And American families are finding they must work harder and harder just to keep up.
George W. Bush has supported tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and corporations with the false promise that some of that money might one day trickle down to middle class families and bolster our economy – but the Bush policies are a proven failure. John Kerry’s priority will be middle class families working hard to cover the mortgage, pay the high cost of health care, child care and tuition, or just trying to get ahead. It’s time that the nation’s economic policy put the American worker and American entrepreneur first.
John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. His vision is to put Americans back to work; make America’s economy the most competitive in the world; and to restore America’s values of equity and fairness to our tax code by helping America’s middle class families and small entrepreneurs succeed.
JOHN KERRY'S PLAN WILL:
(1) Jumpstart Jobs with a new "State Tax Relief and Education Fund" and a New Manufacturing Tax Credit.
(2) Use American Ingenuity to Invest in the Industries of the Future.
(3) Provide a New College Opportunity Tax Cut to Assure Americans Can Afford Four Years of College.
(4) Provide Tax Relief for Middle Class Families Trying to Make Ends Meet and End Unfair Relief for Corporate America.
(5) Bring Financial Discipline Back to Washington.
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(1) STEPS TO JUMPSTART JOB GROWTH TODAY
John Kerry would use the money from the first year of repealing Bush’s tax cuts for the top one percent of Americans on a short-term plan to jumpstart job creation with:
A New ‘State Tax Relief and Education Fund’. The Bush economic approach has left states with nearly $90 billion in budget deficits, forcing lay offs, education cuts, and tax increases. This fund will help states struggling to bridge deficits resulting from Bush’s economic policies with an additional $25 billion a year for two years to stop the education cuts, tuition increases and tax and fee raising that are inhibiting our economic growth and causing layoffs. This fund includes Kerry’s proposed $5 billion to stop state cuts in health care that hurt workers and patients, $5 billion for homeland security to stem layoffs of police officers and fire fighters, and his commitment to fully fund the No Child Left Behind education law.
Tax Breaks to Expand Manufacturing Jobs in the U.S. Over 2.7 million manufacturing jobs have been lost since President Bush took office. John Kerry will save jobs by ending the unpatriotic practice of U.S. corporations moving offshore simply to avoid paying their fair share of our nation’s tax burden. To create new manufacturing jobs Kerry will:
Get the Crane-Rangel-Hollings legislation enacted, which provides a corporate rate reduction to manufacturers who produce goods in the United States;
Propose a new jobs tax credit to encourage manufacturing companies to stay and expand in America. When a manufacturing company creates jobs above their 12 month average, the payroll taxes of the new employees will be refunded for two years.
Immediately restore and double funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership that President Bush slashed by 80%.
Job Creation Summits. Ours is a large and complex economy and John Kerry believes that we must understand the challenges to economic prosperity in each sector. He will hold economic policy summits once a week for the first six months of his Presidency to develop targeted strategies to create jobs in key regions and key industries.
(2) USING AMERICAN INGENUITY TO CREATE A STRONG ECONOMIC FUTURE. We must fight for our economic security not only by stimulating job growth today but also by ensuring that our research, our technology investment, and our spirit for innovation are paving the way for high wage jobs in new industries.
Make Trade Work for America. The Bush Administration has neglected to enforce trade laws or respond to the unfair practices of some of our nation's largest trading partners. As President, John Kerry will: order an immediate 120 day top to bottom review of all trade agreements to ensure that foreign nations fully comply with trade agreements they sign with our country; vigorously enforce our trade laws to ensure our workers are not victims of unfair trading practices; insist future trade agreements incorporate within them core labor standards and environmental protections; demand that other countries, such as China, do not manipulate their currencies to gain unfair trade advantages; and help any workers displaced by trade develop new skills and find new jobs.
Control Rising Health Care Costs so Our Industries Can Compete. Businesses cannot compete if they are weighed down by health care costs, especially since the health care costs of our industrial competitors are often subsidized by government. It costs U.S. automakers $1,000 per car just to cover health care costs for employees. John Kerry’s plan controls rising health care costs by helping pay for catastrophic care cases.
Revitalize the High Technology Sector to Pave the Way for Industries of the Future. Kerry will fight to connect every American family to the Internet, encourage a renewed educational focus on science and math, bring the best practices of operational efficiency from the private sector to the public sector, and restore the government's commitment to scientific achievement through increases in research funding for the Department of Energy, NASA, and the National Science Foundation. Kerry will also strongly support programs targeted at the next generation of innovation, such as nanotechnology and biotechnology research.
New Manufacturing Jobs by Investing in America's Energy Independence. The recent massive blackout leaves no question that our foreign oil dependence and obsolete electricity system undermine our economy. Kerry will create hundreds of thousands of good jobs, many of them in manufacturing, by investing in the new energy opportunities of the future such as: producing 20 percent of all our electricity from renewable sources by 2020; giving tax credits to manufacturers to develop the next generation of automobiles; new energy efficient appliances for homes and businesses; and investing in projects like building the Alaska National Pipeline.
(3) MAKING FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE AFFORDABLE. To be successful in the 21st Century economy, America’s workforce must be more innovative and productive than our competitors. That means better science and math in our schools and job training opportunities. But it also means giving every American the opportunity of four years of college.
Create a New “College Opportunity Tax Credit”. Kerry’s “College Opportunity Tax Credit” will make four years of college affordable for all Americans. He will provide a credit for each and every year of college on the first $4,000 paid in tuition – the typical tuition and fees for public college tuition. The credit will provide 100% of the first $1000 and 50% on the rest. It will also make this credit refundable for those who receive other credits.
Pay College Tuition for Students That Give Two Years of Service to America. Kerry’s ‘Service for College’ plan will provide the cost of four years at a public college to young people in exchange for serving their communities and country in national service.
(4) PROVIDE TAX RELIEF TO MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES RATHER AND CRACK DOWN ON UNFAIR RELIEF FOR CORPORATE AMERICA. President Bush has turned a blind eye to struggling American families, despite the fact that today’s two-earner families are earning 75 percent more than their single earner family counterparts a generation ago, but they have less money to spend due to soaring housing costs, day care, college tuition, and health care. John Kerry would:
Keep the Middle Class Tax Cuts to Help Families Make Ends Meet. John Kerry believes that we should keep the middle class tax cuts that Democrats fought for in 2001 and 2003, which increased the child tax credit, reduced the marriage penalty and lowered tax rates. He strongly disagrees with Democrats who want to repeal these tax cuts, which would cost a typical middle-class family with two children an additional $2000.
Help Americans Get Ahead.
College Tax Cut: John Kerry will help Americans get ahead with his new “College Opportunity Tax Credit” by ensuring college is available for four years for every American.
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Helping Create Wealth in the Stock Market: John Kerry opposes the dividend tax cuts in the 2003 tax bill that result in receptionists paying higher tax rates than CEOs. However, he does believe that middle class Americans should get more from their investments and will lower capital gains and dividend taxes for the middle class.
Making Corporate America Live By America’s Values. Our economy does well when our workers are doing well. Today, Americans who are working hard and playing by the rules are faced with higher health care costs, higher state taxes, higher college tuition and limited job opportunities. At the same time, many corporations are bending the rules and shirking their fair share of the burden - and the Bush Administration is rewarding those who break the rules with lucrative government contracts. Kerry will fight for a government that rewards those who work hard and play by the rules and challenges those who don’t.
Restore Investor Confidence With Strong Enforcement by the Securities and Exchange Commission: John Kerry will fund strong budgets and assure strong enforcement by the SEC.
Stop Corporations From Keeping Bank Accounts in Countries like Bermuda to Avoid Paying Taxes. John Kerry believes that American companies should not be allowed to set up virtual headquarters in foreign countries that are hardly more than mailboxes just to avoid paying U.S. taxes.
Assure Corporations Account for Disparities on the Books. A recent Joint Committee on Taxation report found that Enron claimed a $2.3 billion in profit between 1996 and 1999 in reports to its investors, while reporting a $3 billion tax loss to the IRS. John Kerry believes corporations should have to account these kinds of disparities.
Stop Giving Government Contracts to Corporations Breaking the Rules. The Federal government should not give lucrative contracts to companies that have a record of accounting fraud – like WorldCom – or are moving offshore.
End Unfair Protections for CEOs. Executives should not be walking away with millions of dollars in salaries and benefits while their workers are laid off their companies are defaulting on loans. Kerry would tighten the laws that allow corporations to take advantage of tax deductions for performance based executive pay – even when executives do nothing to improve productivity.
Protect Worker Rights. Kerry believes that ensuring there is a fair playing field for workers is important to a strong economy. He supports increasing the minimum wage and indexing it to inflation; improving workplace health and safety; assuring fair overtime rules; and worker’s right to join a union.
(5) RESTORE FISCAL DISCIPLINE: By borrowing from future generations to give tax relief to those who need help the least, George W. Bush’s economic policies have, for the first time in history, forced the federal government to spend $1 billion more EACH DAY than it takes in. President Bush’s exploding deficits are destroying the solvency of Social Security and Medicare and he has placed the enormous burden of saving these programs on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren. John Kerry believes that we need a smaller and smarter government that wastes less money. John Kerry’s plan will:
Balance the Budget
Cut the Deficit in Half: John Kerry is committed to balancing the budget. He has put forward a sensible plan that will at least cut the deficit in half in his first term, while investing in economic growth and investing in workers.
A Balanced Budget Summit: The best way to get to a balanced budget is not in partisan bickering, but in bipartisan cooperation. As President, John Kerry will call a Balanced Budget Summit that will require all sides to work together to make at least temporary sacrifices -- even in their top priorities -- as part of a concerted effort to restore fiscal discipline and fight for our future.
End Special Tax Breaks: To restore fiscal discipline and strengthen our economy, Kerry will repeal Bush’s special tax breaks for Americans who make more than $200,000.
Cut Excesses in Government: One of the Bush Administrations well-kept secrets is that under his watch the size of government has actually gotten bigger – not smaller. John Kerry will reduce the size of the Federal government by: bringing spending down to the level of GDP it was under Clinton, requiring federal agencies to submit annual plans to reduce energy costs by 20 percent by 2020; cut the Federal government’s administrative costs by five percent; cut the number of political appointees and ban providing bonuses for political appointees; cut fraud and abuse in government programs – fraud and abuse is estimated to cost $12 billion in Medicare alone and end rules that prevent the Federal government from having the same purchasing authority as the private sector.
Reign in Out of Control Spending
Restore Budget Rules to Stop Runaway Spending. John Kerry believes we need to reverse the new budget rules Republicans in Congress have established that make it easier to spend into deficits with fewer votes. He will also review and reassess all discretionary spending programs to determine their effectiveness and whether they should continue to be funded.
Implement the McCain-Kerry Commission on Corporate Welfare. Powerful special interest groups make it hard to cut special tax loopholes and pork barrel spending projects. John Kerry supports a Commission that would recommend cuts and require Congress to vote on all recommendations, so no single special interest could fight for pet projects.
Pass a Constitutional Line-Item Veto to Reduce Corporate Welfare and Excessive Spending. Under Kerry’s plan, the President would identify wasteful spending items in the budget and submit the list to Congress to vote on in an up-or-down fashion – saving billions of dollars.
That's just 1 of 10 links under Restoring Jobs and Rebuilding Our Economy that detail his position and ideas.
:rolleyes:
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Nuke, I was simply just thanking the man for his service. Now I believe rpm has provided a link that outlines Kerrys plans and agendas. Kerry has also stated his plans for business and job growth on TV etc... Here is a listing of his plans. I just did a google and there it was.
Kerry (http://www.time.com/time/election2004/candidates/kerry_econ.html)
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Not worth the effort MrCoffee. He's just trolling. I just wanted to prove the plans were there in detail. We will have plenty of time to listen to him cry after Bush loses this election...and he will.
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Nuke?
Can't you see the plan Nuke?
Are the words too big?
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Originally posted by Lizking
Big dif between forged photos and satirical or defamatory ones.
Geez, did I just agree with GScholtz? shoot me quick!
(I try to be helpfull :))