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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hortlund on February 26, 2004, 04:59:55 PM
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Impressions?
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The ending was oh so predictable... :D
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dohhhh :rofl
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Did Neo get to kill the robots this time?
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But my Wife and I will see it Saturday. Be happy to let you know then my thoughts if interested.:)
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Originally posted by Maniac
Did Neo get to kill the robots this time?
Neo came back from the dead and killed them
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I saw on the news today that Little Rock(Arkansas) woman who was crying after Jesus died, she was crying so hard at the Movie Theater and she got heart attack, then later she dies in Hospital. This is getting too weird for me. :eek:
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Saw it .... I hae to say A damn good movie.....I will honestly post my opinion
this is my strait belifes, once you see the movie and see that he does not get mad after all that happens to him and still belive that there is no God I have to wonder about you.
But then again I am a devoute Catholic...
Flame away
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Not going to flame you Nod, but it's a movie. If you don't believe in god...err, your god...then it's simply a work of fiction. An actor following a script telling him not to act angry. Now, I've seen some good acting before, but it never made me believe a fictional storyline was actually real.
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saving my money for the Dawn of the Dead remake... er tribute I'd like to call it.
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I'm with SOB on this one.
It was a movie. Get over it. The book has been around for a lot longer.
The fact that everyone is getting upset about this movie is sickening. This isn't anything new....in fact it's been preached for about 2000 years.
How stupid can people be?
I hope that a glactic being decides that we are too stupid as a race to continue and kills us all.
Human, you have angered me.
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Originally posted by Nod
Saw it .... I hae to say A damn good movie.....I will honestly post my opinion
this is my strait belifes, once you see the movie and see that he does not get mad after all that happens to him and still belive that there is no God I have to wonder about you.
But then again I am a devoute Catholic...
Flame away
There have been plenty of people that have had far worse done to them.
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Originally posted by Drunky
I'm with SOB on this one.
It was a movie. Get over it. The book has been around for a lot longer.
The fact that everyone is getting upset about this movie is sickening. This isn't anything new....in fact it's been preached for about 2000 years.
How stupid can people be?
movie has an emotional effect that book usually doesn't
take d-day, everything you have read about it
then watch SPR, which hits you in the gut more - reading about the thousands being mowed down on the beaches that morning or watching a very small percentage of them actually get killed, even when it is j hollywood ... same with the Passion
true, if you don't believe going in, I do not see this film "saving" you, but if there is a small pile of tinder in ur soul, it could be the flint some need
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Originally posted by Nod
Flame away
Ok,
So how come more catholics have killed in the name of god when it's against the 10 Commandments?
/gross generalization
Personally Catholics seem to be the worst as bad as radical muslims.
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Those aren't all catholics, just the ones who think Vat. II was a bad idea.
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(shurgs) I just thought it was a really good movie....but I have to agree though it is just a movie. I do not think it should change your mind and convert you just that it should make you consider the idea of God.....
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Originally posted by Dingbat
Ok,
So how come more catholics have killed in the name of god when it's against the 10 Commandments?
/gross generalization
Personally Catholics seem to be the worst as bad as radical muslims.
sure, but they are more then lightyears away from even been a fraction of Jesus, dont they?
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I was and still am speechless. It was all I thought it may be and much much more.
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Originally posted by Eagler
movie has an emotional effect that book usually doesn't
take d-day, everything you have read about it
then watch SPR, which hits you in the gut more - reading about the thousands being mowed down on the beaches that morning or watching a very small percentage of them actually get killed, even when it is j hollywood ... same with the Passion
true, if you don't believe going in, I do not see this film "saving" you, but if there is a small pile of tinder in ur soul, it could be the flint some need
I lol'd
Monks in vietnam took more pain then that.
Gasoline+a match= burning for your sins.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
I lol'd
Monks in vietnam took more pain then that.
Gasoline+a match= burning for your sins.
I don't think I read anywhere in this particular thread that you have seen it. See it..then come back with your oh so well informed comments.
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VFJACKAL
Knowing about what he is talking about would ruin frog posting style.
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oh dont worry i saw the movie.
Quiet humorous.
Plenty of people have suffered through far more, i dont get the big deal
(plus if they wanted to make it realistic at least make jesus a short jew)
(http://death.innomi.com/uploads/deros17.gif)
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Frog - I hope you gain a little bit more perspective as you age. Not much else I can say... I cant imagine someone, religious or not, would downplay the suffering one goes through when crucified to get a reaction out of others. Thats just sick.
That said...
I saw it last night - very good movie. There are some things I was foggy on, and a few questions I have. In addition, there are a few things that I was raising my eyebrow at - perhaps due to my own lack of knowledge surrounding the events.
Maybe someone here that has done more than simply read through the Bible would be able to assist:
1.) What was the significance of Satan carrying a baby, albeit an ugly one, during the whiping?
2.) It appeared as though Satan was only 'visable' to Mary (based on eye contact), is there any basis for this in the book?
3.) What is the significance of Mary and Mary 'soaking up' his blood in the courtyard following the beating? What do they intend to do with it?
4.) The movie portrayed Judas's suicide as the result of a sort of devine torment. I was always under the impression that he 'punished himself' out of guilt, but it appeared in the film as though he was driven to it. Which is correct? Also, are there any mentions in the Bible of the 'damned children' or the animal thing which he encounters post arrest?
5.) Gibsons portrayal of Pilate was an interesting first. Conflicted and compassionate: "Do you always punish your prisoners before they have been judged?" Is this an accurate portrayal or Pilate, or is Gibson taking an artistic liberty?
Overall thoughts:
Pros:
-Languages used. This film would not have worked in English. The use of period and location correct languages was great for atmosphere and the subtitles did not hinder immersion.
-Acting. Truely fantastic performances by the lead charectars. I dont think anyone could have done a better job playing Jesus than Cavielzal (sp?). The actor that played Pilate (Bulgarian, dont feel like looking up his name again) also did a fantastic job. The right look, atittude, and very convincing. Maybe just a result of too many garbage movies and performances, but I didnt find a single flaw in any of the acting.
-Mass Media Appeal. For those that dont read often or go to church, or even those who are not of the Catholic persuasion, the message of the story can be told in a manner acceptable to most people.
-Emotional feel. In short, anyone who exits the theater and claims to be unaffected by the film is either lying or slept through it. Probably one of the most emotionally 'moving' films Ive yet seen.
Cons:
-What I believe to be artistic liberties taken and little pet peeves. "Jesus of Nazereth" written in English on the sign above his head took away from the atmosphere.
-Not much else.
Bottom line:
The film is not anti-semetic in the least. I have trouble accepting that anyone could think so if they actually saw the movie. The messege is not one of hate or retribution, but one of love for your fellow man.
A fine line, for sure, but I thought Gibson did a fantastic job overall and if the film does not clean up at the Ocsars Id be shocked.
Go see it - believer or not.
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I like how the crow pecked out the guys eye. What a great god, question him and you get punished. woot!
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
...e, but I thought Gibson did a fantastic job overall and if the film does not clean up at the Ocsars Id be shocked..
If it does I'll be shocked
you want Hollyweird to acknowledge a Christian movie about that faiths cornerstone of its belief system written and directed by a devout Christian? a movie no one in hollyweird would touch with a ten foot pole? I'd be very surprised if it gets anything but a casual mention from that group
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It wasnt that good, this is comming from a non christian. Alot of the movie assumed you had alot of previous knowledge of the events. For someone that dosnt know the story it isnt that great of a film.
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Quote:
"I like how the crow pecked out the guys eye. What a great god, question him and you get punished. woot!"
He is a "great" God. And your karma is gonna suck. You're already a Liberal-Leftist, so you are well on your way...
C.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
1.) What was the significance of Satan carrying a baby, albeit an ugly one, during the whiping?
2.) It appeared as though Satan was only 'visable' to Mary (based on eye contact), is there any basis for this in the book?
3.) What is the significance of Mary and Mary 'soaking up' his blood in the courtyard following the beating? What do they intend to do with it?
4.) The movie portrayed Judas's suicide as the result of a sort of devine torment. I was always under the impression that he 'punished himself' out of guilt, but it appeared in the film as though he was driven to it. Which is correct? Also, are there any mentions in the Bible of the 'damned children' or the animal thing which he encounters post arrest?
5.) Gibsons portrayal of Pilate was an interesting first. Conflicted and compassionate: "Do you always punish your prisoners before they have been judged?" Is this an accurate portrayal or Pilate, or is Gibson taking an artistic liberty?
1. I got the impression that the baby ment that evil can and will come in teh most innocent of forms.
2. I think it was just a chance that they were looking at each other
4.I think it was guilt and he was just going slightly mad, because the kids wern't really there, they just dissapered all of the sudden.
5. Thats the way i have always conceved of pilot he was a guy that was stuck between a rock and a hard place and thats why he didn't make the decision and get himself in more trouble he washed his hands of the hole thing.
These are just what i got out of it they may be wrong but it's just what i got.
I have no idea about number three:confused:
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Originally posted by Eagler
If it does I'll be shocked
you want Hollyweird to acknowledge a Christian movie about that faiths cornerstone of its belief system written and directed by a devout Christian? a movie no one in hollyweird would touch with a ten foot pole? I'd be very surprised if it gets anything but a casual mention from that group
I think they'd be faced with a Catch-22 in this case.
If they dont acknowledge it, I think they run the risk of being labeled anti-Christian or anti-Gibson.
Lets face it, best movie of 2004 so far - and although its only February - I see nothing on the horizon save Troy to give it a run.
Frog - the movie deals with a very specific period of time - the last 12 hours of Jesus's life. It is assumed that the audience has, at least, a general understanding of the events that transpired beforehand.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
It wasnt that good, this is comming from a non christian. Alot of the movie assumed you had alot of previous knowledge of the events. For someone that dosnt know the story it isnt that great of a film.
so you have no clue what the movie is about? Well that's not so far fetched I guesss since you seem to have no clue about a lot of other things
:lol
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Originally posted by Cabby44
Quote:
"I like how the crow pecked out the guys eye. What a great god, question him and you get punished. woot!"
He is a "great" God. And your karma is gonna suck. You're already a Liberal-Leftist, so you are well on your way...
C.
Yea i guess ill be going to the christian hell for believeing in helping out my fellow human being. My bad. If there is a heaven i do not want to be going to it, it will be filled with esoteric salamanders. Plus according to your rules hitler will be in heaven and ghandi in hell. Sounds cool to me.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
1.) What was the significance of Satan carrying a baby, albeit an ugly one, during the whiping?
2.) It appeared as though Satan was only 'visable' to Mary (based on eye contact), is there any basis for this in the book?
3.) What is the significance of Mary and Mary 'soaking up' his blood in the courtyard following the beating? What do they intend to do with it?
4.) The movie portrayed Judas's suicide as the result of a sort of devine torment. I was always under the impression that he 'punished himself' out of guilt, but it appeared in the film as though he was driven to it. Which is correct? Also, are there any mentions in the Bible of the 'damned children' or the animal thing which he encounters post arrest?
5.) Gibsons portrayal of Pilate was an interesting first. Conflicted and compassionate: "Do you always punish your prisoners before they have been judged?" Is this an accurate portrayal or Pilate, or is Gibson taking an artistic liberty?
1. I felt that it was a portrayal of a new beginning to evil. That Jesus was going to give in and a whole new evil would come forth and that even if he didn't that Evil was just beginning to happen to Jesus. ALl the beating and scourging being the evil he was going to have to endure.
2. Basis in the Bible I'm not sure I remember or not. I have read the 4 gospels. I dont remember that however. I think Satan was visable to only Mary showing that Satan had a stake in what was happening.
3. I believe it was Reverence. That they didn't want his blodd in that unholy place. They wanted to feel closer to him. I think this was shown again in the scene of the woman coming to give Jesus the water. SHe handed him a rag..He wiped blodd on that rag and she help it close. Reverance to him. Holding him close..feeling closer to him.
4. Judas went crazy. I think there may have been some liberties here but basically God made it know to Judas that he had really screwed up and that the children of God were killing Jesus and he was the one that had betrayed Jesus. The children being the ones that were going to make him crazy. Make sense? lol
5. Pilat was conflicted. He was saving his rear and in the process washing his hands of what could become a blood bath. In the Bible Pilate comes off as being conflicted as well. Gibson may have made him a lil more that one would in reality think..But I think he was according to the bible truly conflicted and somewhat hesitant to do what he did.
Now this is only my thoughts..Don't by anymeans think they are right. They maybe partly or way off base or even crazy in somes eyes.
The Movie touched me in a profound way. Even more so today when I was at church. I would elaberate..But I think it would make this post to long. It was AWSOME and AMAZING.
Should be required reading so to speak for Christians and people who think there is a God but haven't come to that place in life to say the words.
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Originally posted by Dingbat
Ok,
So how come more catholics have killed in the name of god when it's against the 10 Commandments?
/gross generalization
Personally Catholics seem to be the worst as bad as radical muslims.
Maybe because of the way word meaning changes over time. At one time kill and murder meant the same thing.
The original wording of the 10 commandments it says "shall not murder"
This stuff has been going on for years. Ya wanna take this stuff apart? hey read enough about it to be able to speak on it with some authority maybe?
Gonna throw so more into it ...
Astroligy???
does the book say anything about it?
If it does is it for or against?
If it does and it is for or against then please say why?
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Frog you are a very immature person!!
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Originally posted by IK0N
Frog you are a very immature person!!
Oh how so?
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You can be mature and still be a bigot.
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Has anyone seen the Passion yet?
more than a few have:
$117,538,000 (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2004-02-28&p=.htm)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
You can be mature and still be a bigot.
OUCH....that was harsh Funked. Prolly True but Harsh. :rofl
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HAHAAH FUNKED 1 THREAD 0 HAHAAHAHAHA
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FUNKD R T3H WINAR!!!!!1111eight
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"This is a two-hour-and-six-minute snuff movie—The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre—that thinks it's an act of faith."
LOL... http://www.slate.com/id/2096025/
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By David Edelstein
LOL indeed :aok
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Hah... I didn't catch that the first time. :D
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I'm wondering Sandman if your agree with that article....
The guys sounds like a typical anti-christian person. The movie had plenty of love and compassion in it. If you have any Idea what the Bible teaches...Which this guy doesn't seem to simply by this statement...
"What does this protracted exercise in sadomasochism have to do with Christian faith? I'm asking; I don't know."
Then you realize just what the movie is saying and teaching and just what it portays to Christians , Jews , Catholics and any other religion based on the crusifixion.
Here's another Gem......Echoed in the Secular world we live in....
"For Gibson, Jesus is defined not by his teachings in life—by his message of mercy, social justice, and self-abnegation, some of it rooted in the Jewish Torah, much of it defiantly personal—but by the manner of his execution. "
Not to most christians and I would say NOT to Gibson either...This movie shows Compassion and forgiveness throughout....It just takes a smarter person than this "Critic" to see it. It shows what one person did for mankind. There was no sense of "Payback" at all in this film.
It's a film that 2 people of christian faith see differently. I saw it and was taken by the brutality that Jesus endured. I saw the Love and compassin in it , but the Pain and suffering and blood shed is what hit me first. My wife on the other hand saw the Love and compassion and sheer will to do what he was put on this earth to do. She saw and felt what a Mother feels for her child.
This guy saw nothing....And I would venture to say that if you don't have some christian upbringing or at least a belief in God, that seeing it won't do you one bit of good. Your just wasting your time and will leave even MORE convinced that there is NO Jesus..No God...That the Bible is allllll tall tales. You'll takle it for just about what this guy has said in his oh so talented writing. If your an Atheist.....Save yourself 10 bucks and just read this guys article and don't see it. Cause you won't get it in the end. :(
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I was raised as a Baptist...but you're right. Seeing this movie won't do me any good.
I've read the Gospels. I haven't seen the movie and the more I read about it, the less inclined I am to see it. Two hours of brutality isn't my thing.
Rather reminds of Schindler's List. Excellent movie, well crafted and absolutely painful to watch. I've never seen it again after the first time and have no desire to do so. Same goes for The Passion. I know how it ends.
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Then again, there's always the last part of the credits to consider:
(http://free.inkfrog.com/pix/KAMBodiA/ENDCREDITS.jpg)
Funny stuff.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I was raised as a Baptist...but you're right. Seeing this movie won't do me any good.
I've read the Gospels. I haven't seen the movie and the more I read about it, the less inclined I am to see it. Two hours of brutality isn't my thing.
Rather reminds of Schindler's List. Excellent movie, well crafted and absolutely painful to watch. I've never seen it again after the first time and have no desire to do so. Same goes for The Passion. I know how it ends.
Nice Honest Response:)
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Originally posted by VFJACKAL
Nice Honest Response:)
We atheists aren't necessarily all bad... :)
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Originally posted by Eagler
true, if you don't believe going in, I do not see this film "saving" you, but if there is a small pile of tinder in ur soul, it could be the flint some need
Well said Eagler
Saw this film last weekend and found it very very humbling.
Sqrl
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Originally posted by Squirrel
Saw this film last weekend and found it very very humbling.
Sqrl
Humbling....good choice of words...and I agree:) It was truley humbling.
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I wasted $10 on a 2-hour asskicking. Great.
Seemed to me an attempt to generate shock, and FAR more importantly, revenue, instead of focusing on his supposed good works and teachings.
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Originally posted by Engine
I wasted $10 on a 2-hour asskicking. Great.
Seemed to me an attempt to generate shock, and FAR more importantly, revenue, instead of focusing on his supposed good works and teachings.
With all due respect...I dont think it was ever meant to focus on the works of Jesus...It was meant to focus on his suffering and just what he went thru.:)
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Im going to see it in about 10 mins, so when i get back ill tell ya all what i thought about it.
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Well, first off before this movie i didnt fully believe in god or any of that stuff, i was skepticle, unsure about it all, after seeing this movie and thinking more into it, i dunno somethin changed, i have a new outlook on things, i cant speak for everyone, but IMHO wheather its just acting or really did happen, if that movie doesnt make you feel something, then i just dunno. Its pretty intense.
Ill definetly be looking into this more deeply after seeing the movie.
For anyone else, its truely just your opinion of it all, its a deep intense movie, its very violent, very graphic, but also makes you think about things more deeply as well, i cant really describe it.
I think it was worth the money and then some.
btw, this is alll just my opinon and how i took it, i know some will disagree, and others think different then i do, im not saying you should agree with me at all, your free to believe and do what you want of course, this is just how i took the movie and how i see things. It definetly made me feel something.
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Originally posted by VFJACKAL
It was meant to focus on his suffering and just what he went thru.:)
I'm aware. That was my point. Generate shock and disgust, since that produces more revenue.
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Rather reminds of Schindler's List. Excellent movie, well crafted and absolutely painful to watch. I've never seen it again after the first time and have no desire to do so. Same goes for The Passion. I know how it ends.
I've seen Schindler's List once - and that was at the cinema. I found it excruciating, even though it was an excellent film with some brilliantly convincing performances. That's the only time I've ever been in the cinema and people have stayed seated until the end of the credits, silent except for a few women crying. I was truly blown away by it.
Not sure if I'll go see this The Passion. As far as I know, Schindler's List was based on eye witness accounts for the most part - the brutality was real and documented. I don't remember the Bible going into lots of detailed descriptions of torture that could fill a film lasting two hours. And that's why I have a problem with the Pope declaring the film as being the Truth.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I've seen Schindler's List once - and that was at the cinema. I found it excruciating, even though it was an excellent film with some brilliantly convincing performances. That's the only time I've ever been in the cinema and people have stayed seated until the end of the credits, silent except for a few women crying. I was truly blown away by it.
Not sure if I'll go see this The Passion. As far as I know, Schindler's List was based on eye witness accounts for the most part - the brutality was real and documented. I don't remember the Bible going into lots of detailed descriptions of torture that could fill a film lasting two hours. And that's why I have a problem with the Pope declaring the film as being the Truth.
I have no intention of seeing the passion (well maybe on DVD...maybe)...I actaully just really can't be bothered
Schindler's List was more than just the brutality however, and was well deserving of it's accolades (Ralph Fiennes was genius)...I would be surprised if the passion was half the film Schindler's list is...
Tronsky
ps. I still haven't decided to buy the R1 of List on 9/3/04 or wait for the local R4 on 7/4/04
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Originally posted by Dowding
I've seen Schindler's List once - and that was at the cinema. I found it excruciating, even though it was an excellent film with some brilliantly convincing performances. That's the only time I've ever been in the cinema and people have stayed seated until the end of the credits, silent except for a few women crying. I was truly blown away by it.
Not sure if I'll go see this The Passion. As far as I know, Schindler's List was based on eye witness accounts for the most part - the brutality was real and documented. I don't remember the Bible going into lots of detailed descriptions of torture that could fill a film lasting two hours. And that's why I have a problem with the Pope declaring the film as being the Truth.
The bible talks of the abuse he sufferend under jewish guards, the demeaning he endured under roman guards, the scouring of jesus by the romans, the thorn crown, the other abuse etc. So the bible accounts do say he was extensivley mistreated and tirtured. The difference is we never really had such a gresusome visual interpretation of those events on film. I think most jesus movies sanitized the torture.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I think most jesus movies sanitized the torture.
Here's a generalization, and it's only my impression, I find it truly odd that Christians dwell on hate, violence, and torture more than they do love and compasion.
When something happens regarding Christians... it's about how much they are intolerant of someone else... for example gays wanting to marriage... abortion... and not so longer along interacial marriage...
This movie is another good example... the focus is upon pain and suffering...rather than the redeeming qualities and effort it is to love someone even when they are mean and malisious and have very little virtues to love... gee like so many Christians... no matter how much they hate... I still find room to love them.
And what's so profoundly interesting is the basic concept of the Christ god....
God so loved the world that he gave up his only son...
really did he? Is Jesus dead? Was Jesus capable of dieing?
What did god really lose?
nothing... if Jesus rose from the dead he lost nothing.
There was no sacrify...
The whole christian premise is that we should feel grateful to Jesus for suffering for our sins or feel quilty because he suffered.
Yet Jesus/god risked nothing... it's like gambling with someone elses money...
the whole guilt trip is bogus...
the Da Vinci Code was interesting... not factually acurate in many cases but the concepts interesting...
Jesus was a Jew he died in his 30s, he was nearly an old man... not a young 20 something... he should have been married by time he was 17 years old... perhaps he was... or perhaps he was gay.... after all he hung out with 12 men.
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.... after all he hung out with 12 men.
heheheh you could ruffle some feathers there Nakhui.
Good post.
This movie is another good example... the focus is upon pain and suffering...rather than the redeeming qualities and effort it is to love someone even when they are mean and malisious and have very little virtues to love... gee like so many Christians... no matter how much they hate... I still find room to love them
Yeah, don’t forget alot of folks in the new right Christians are really members of the Unification Church. Christianity is just a storefront for them.
I think they squint their eyes and see a some kind of long haired left wing hippy pinko getting his *** kicked..
BTW- Does anyone know why this movie is banned in Israel?
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Originally posted by Nakhui
Here's a generalization, and it's only my impression, I find it truly odd that Christians dwell on hate, violence, and torture more than they do love and compasion.
When something happens regarding Christians... it's about how much they are intolerant of someone else... for example gays wanting to marriage... abortion... and not so longer along interacial marriage...
This movie is another good example... the focus is upon pain and suffering...rather than the redeeming qualities and effort it is to love someone even when they are mean and malisious and have very little virtues to love... gee like so many Christians... no matter how much they hate... I still find room to love them.
And what's so profoundly interesting is the basic concept of the Christ god....
God so loved the world that he gave up his only son...
really did he? Is Jesus dead? Was Jesus capable of dieing?
What did god really lose?
nothing... if Jesus rose from the dead he lost nothing.
There was no sacrify...
The whole christian premise is that we should feel grateful to Jesus for suffering for our sins or feel quilty because he suffered.
Yet Jesus/god risked nothing... it's like gambling with someone elses money...
the whole guilt trip is bogus...
the Da Vinci Code was interesting... not factually acurate in many cases but the concepts interesting...
Jesus was a Jew he died in his 30s, he was nearly an old man... not a young 20 something... he should have been married by time he was 17 years old... perhaps he was... or perhaps he was gay.... after all he hung out with 12 men.
I am a Catholic. Not devout, but I believe. I was once skeptical and thought of the Bible as a 'fairy tail' and downplayed religion as mind control.
My turning point was when I actually sought out answers for my questions. I wanted to prove that the Bible was bogus, etc, etc, etc. I was not able to do so, and in fact, I found myself pretty convinced of the validity of the Bible and the evnts portrayed within.
Your comment regarding Jesus's suffering and Gods 'loss' is an interesting take, but in my mind, resurected or not, thats an aweful lot of suffering to have to watch your son go through. Excessive to say the least.
The message I got out of the movie was one of love. The scourging and crusifixion were horrible events, but they were not doen out of hate, but love. God 'allowed' them to happen so that his son's suffering would cleanse our sins.
Now - Im not a Bible thumper, I dont peddle of the book, nor do I look down upon non-Catholics, but I do encourage them to do research on their own to determine what they, themselves, determine to be 'truth.'
The message of the film, which I spoke on above, is the message that Christianity is supposed to portray - forgiveness, love thy enemy, etc, etc, etc. I do not feel hatred for Jews for their actions, nor the Romans, nor anyone else. I feel an unrepayable debt of gratitude for what one man went through for me because I am woefully undeserving of it.
Of course their are hypocrits in all religions - and I am one of them when my stance on terrorism is concerned - but those Catholics who harbor hate, seek vengence, and vow not to forgive the wrong doings of others are acting in direct opposition to the teachings in the Bible that are portrayed in the film.
PS: To the other guy - yes Hollywood is a business, and yes profit is the firts priority, but I dont think you can claim with a clear conscience that Gibson's sole reason for making the film was for financial gain. Thats kinda of sick.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
You can be mature and still be a bigot.
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Sorry Funked...seen this before....immature and without purpose....nothing uncommon in this world.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
"This is a two-hour-and-six-minute snuff movie—The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre—that thinks it's an act of faith."
LOL... http://www.slate.com/id/2096025/
Romans 5
8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I was raised as a Baptist...but you're right. Seeing this movie won't do me any good.
I've read the Gospels. I haven't seen the movie and the more I read about it, the less inclined I am to see it. Two hours of brutality isn't my thing.
Rather reminds of Schindler's List. Excellent movie, well crafted and absolutely painful to watch. I've never seen it again after the first time and have no desire to do so. Same goes for The Passion. I know how it ends.
Raised as a Baptist? What happened in your life to now mock God?
Just curious:)
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
My turning point was when I actually sought out answers for my questions. I wanted to prove that the Bible was bogus, etc, etc, etc. I was not able to do so, and in fact, I found myself pretty convinced of the validity of the Bible and the evnts portrayed within.
I spent 8 years in Catholic school. indoctrinated into Catholicism... something which even as a child just didnt' make sense.
In my 20s I searched for understanding...
Why did Jesus have to suffer and die?
"Because the wages of sin are death."
That's why!
And in the old testiment animals were sacrificed to god to cleans transgressors of their sins.
Eh?
for example... if I kick the watermelon out of my next door neighbor, even if I truly repent and am sorry for my "sin", that don't cut it... I have to kill a goat. I'm talking about the old testiment... you see God's law has never changed... something has to die if there's been a sin... always.
Jesus is the ultimate death. "God so loved the world he gave his only son" blah blah blah.
Now Jesus came a long and died for our sins... we still have to repent and be sorry... but we don't have to kill goats.
Really... want did Jesus do? Saved he the Animals!
Because if we personally don't accept Jesus as our lord and savior... we'll doesn't matter how many goats we kill, we're going to burn in the white hot fires of hell and Satan - who is almost just as powerful as god because he can make us do evil things - will stick red hot pokers... well.. you know up our butts for eternity.
Yeah that all makes sense.
Freedom of choice.... believe in this theology because if you don't you're going to suffer forever and FOREVER!
Wow with that kind of arguement who would chose anything else.
By the way... believers in this religion there will be no premarital sex, no sex for pleasure... even though our entire body is designed for reproduction...there will be no nudity, no suggestive dancing or attire, there's no meat on fridays, there's no masturbation, no cussing, no cheating, no work on Sundays... even though the sabbath really starts sun down on Friday and continues until Sun down on Saturday... and there will be decorating of Christmas trees even though this is a pagan ritual adopted by Christians... and December 25th is not the birth of Christ according to the Orthodox Christian church, which celebrates his birthday on January 7th
Christmas was moved to December 25th to coincide with a pagan holiday. This got more pagans to celebrate Jesus' birthday. This move was one of the reasons why the church split in 1043.
The Roman god Mithras was born of the Sun God and a virgin mother, called "the Mother of God", on December 25th. Oh wow...sounds like the Virgin Mary.
Easter egg hunts come from ritutals celebrating the goddess Ostara, another god of fertility, and each egg represents a lover your child will have.
Christianity is an amalgamation of many pagan religions that existed during the time of its inception. It's true influence comes from the death and destruction that it's powerful benifactor the Roman empire under the auspicious of Constantine was able to coerce and cajour upon his subjects. Great example of mass mind control.
http://home.earthlink.net/~pgwhacker/ChristianOrigins/PaganChrists.html
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think one has to find his/her Divine in his/her heart, not on the internet..
Christ died to show there is no death, that you continue on and are held accountable for your thoughts and deeds - now & later - no getting away from karma
Though he had the power to rescue himself, walked on water, raised the dead, healed the sick/blind, etc.. he allowed himself to be captured, tortured and kill to show mankind that this life is not the end all
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Dont forget Apollo nakhui. Sun god of the greeks, always depicted as a shepard and young man. The romans did what they always do with religions. They mixed the orginal christian cult with all the others of the time in a high powered blender untill you got the bible and the roman catholic church.
Its hard to profess a faith in the christian religion knowing its true history. Of course the cult of the christians is set up to follow the teachings of the neoplatonic philosopher Augustine, and denying this world and your sences is its base. So dont trust science, dont trust your instinct, deny your body and a higher plane of exsistance is your reward.
THANKS PLATO!