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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ripsnort on October 02, 2000, 08:16:00 AM
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I, for one, don't plan on it, after all, I didn't leave because of the money...rumor has it that the price will be 24.95 unlimited play...
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I left because of conx problems not because of the game so unless the conx got better I would never go back.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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I would try it when WB3 comes out.
Although it woudnt be a return im my case. Only played the game offline.
[This message has been edited by Pongo (edited 10-02-2000).]
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Want an opinion from someone who never flew WB's online? I kept up with the latest WB's version (up to V2.7x) on my hdd till my reformat about 6 weeks ago. So I know DO know it was like anyway.
The current WB's is not up to par with AH in any way except number of aircraft. IMnsHO! AH actually has more player run events now.
Going there, from here, would not be worth a $5/mo savings. AW3 could be free, WB's could drop to "$10/mo all you can bleat" and I wouldn't. Neither holds any draw for me any more. Although if I was in the market for some first rate customer disservice then I'd surely consider iEN or EA/Gamestorm. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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That puts me in a tough spot. My main reason for downgrading to a maintenance account was lack of flat rate pricing. But now that I'm used to 3D cockpits I find I LIKE having a 6-view. I like using drop tanks. I love the new terrains coming out,
and the TBF looks like a masterpiece.
My squaddies will expect me back fulltime, but I don't know. I'll wait til I see what the real deal is.
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What's funny is a few folks on AGW think most of our population is made of of ex-WB folks, when indeed it is not. I've met more FA, AW3, EAW, *New to online flight sims* folks in this sim than I ever met in WB's..so if I were to guess, you *might* get a dozen of the hard core WB'ers going 'back over' to WB's...other than that, I don't see it as a strategic move by iEN, except that strategically their check book balance would be lower. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 10-02-2000).]
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*clambers labourously into the WB F4U*
*looks around...*
*looks back*
"OHhhhhhh YUK!"
*jumps out and heads back to his beloved AH Hog...*
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Add me to the list that has never flown WB.
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Only H2H WB
If WB3 got a flat rate I'm gonna check it online. If pay per hour I'll forget it.
Always nice to have a choice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I cannot see myself going back to iEn.
I left because I liked the better graphics in AH. Tracers that looked like tracers and not little red and yellow dots, awesome sound effects, some of the neatest terrain I have seen yet, all these contributed to my decision to drop iEn and come to AH. My squad CO, hblair, talked over and over about coming and trying this sim, and once I got into it, I fell in love with it. I am not always happy with everything that happens in the sim, but who is?
While talking with the people at iEn on the phone the day I canceled my account with them, they asked me if I would consider coming back if they went flat rate. They then "sweetened" the bait by saying "it will be very soon" that the new version of WB's (WBIII) would be released and a flat rate plan put into effect.
Guys, that was in May, and to my knowledge, they ain't released their "new" version, nor the flat rate plan.
I guess their idea of "soon" and mine are not the same.
If they offered a "free" trial period of the new version, I would likely fly it just for comparison sake. But to leave HTC and return to iEn, after the way they show absolutely no respect for their customers........not gonna happen. I will quit flying online altogether first.
[This message has been edited by eddiek (edited 10-02-2000).]
[This message has been edited by eddiek (edited 10-02-2000).]
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I don't think so.
Not only do I feel that the FM or feel of flight in this sim is more closely in tune to that of RL, I have become spoiled with the level of customer service in this Sim.
HTC has responded to many of our interests and desires....I'm like an old dog...Once I'm your pal, I'm always your pal (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Loyalty some call it...where was WB's for 2 yrs that the sim remained stagnant?
I don't care how wonderful they claim WB3 will be...talk is cheap....HTC has continued to deliver and respond to my needs...for that, they get my money!
I'm Out!
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I will give Warbirds III a tryout, but I am very doubtful they'll ever see any more of my money with their non-existant customer support. Ever try and find a human to speak with in their accounts dept? Or try to get them to return a phone call? Took me three weeks of leaving messages before I finally got a hold of a human being there when I wanted to delete my account.
iEN is a joke, at least as far as their customer service goes.
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AH is so much better than wb in all but three areas:
1. Scenarios of the S3 calibre
2. larger planeset
3. terrains with rivers, towns, factories, cities covering the landscape in terrains like the NG terrain (which is my favorite wb terrain (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ) also shorlines and oceans with smooth transitions
but hopefully this will be remedied by AH by 1.05 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
everything else is better in AH.
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Ex WB pilot here, over 3 years.
But I'm here in AH now & I'm here to stay until I see something much better.
Aces High kick's WB butt in every area except planeset. Strat model is better, and with 1.05 will take another giant step up IMO.
Rock on HTC!
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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels
Scenario Corp, AH Trainer Corp
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well, then we have WW2OL coming out too.
this, i will try.
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Habicht
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://voices.vossnet.co.uk/t/toles/9jg54.gif)
"Die Ta 152 war meine Überlebensversicherung in den letzten Tagen des Krieges" OFw Willi Reschke, Ritterkreuzträger, 38 Abschüsse
[This message has been edited by HABICHT (edited 10-02-2000).]
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I wouldn't. AH more fun, for me.
Cheers,
Pepino
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I'm an ex FO/WB. I still have an account with Warbirds. I haven't played since the free weekend. Thats when it sunk in that AH is far better of a game than WB. Challenge, Realizm,Planes and the fact that you don't have to find out what ip# your buds are on Wilco when you first sign on. This game is young and I think Far better than Warbirds. With the ideas from the staff and the customers this game will allways be better than Warbirds.
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NHFoxtro
-XO- Night Hawks
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A couple of months ago I would have said yes. At this point WB would have to be real cheap, like $5/month, for me to switch. AH is a better flight sim, a better "game" (Main Arena), and the scenarios have caught up with WB.
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At 24.95...no way. Its just not worth that much IMO. If it was say 9.95 I would probably go back and keep this account. I cant affoard or justify more than 40 a month for this kind of entertainment. I am worried when WW2 online comes out as I will most likely have to choose between it and AH. I want to play both damn it!
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Never flown WB on-line. So I don't know the differences in FE's and FM's. Plane sets #'s dont bother me.
Would only go there if I could take the entire AH community with me!!
Cause I love all you guys!!! Oooooppppssss! And gals!!!
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I wouldn't go back to WB- basically because that wasn't where I was to begin with. Now DoA (Dawn of Aces) is another story...
...like Mighty1, my reason for leaving iEN was connect related, not with the program(s). Even if they gave the game(s) away it would not matter if I could not get into it(them) or stay in it once connected. BTW, DoA was only $9.95 per month, and I still couldn't justify that amount of money for a game that had horrible connect probs for the last 6 weeks of my time with them. And before any iEN defender pops in and says "it was your end, not iEN's", bear in mind that I was far from alone in my experience. I gave them 6 weeks to clear it up- a pretty long time for a short attention span guy like me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) By the end of that time I was so out of the habit of even thinking about that game I didn't care if it was fixed or not.
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Came over from WB during this summer, & as I told somebody here one day: "came here for the price, stayed for the product". Eye candy has never really meant much to me compared to game play, but when you get both?! woo hoo!
Will I try it? Most of -=NightStalkers=- still hangs there, so yeah, I miss a lot of my squaddies. Switch over? Nope (well, lessee, but from what I've seen outta ien, prolly not. See they released a "new" ilz. Eesh, you'd think they'd have learned their lesson with "ilooz").
I'll try WW2OL too. But, like many others, I've got serious doubts about them being able to pull off what they've got in mind.
Hell, I practically expect to see HT there the 1st day, hehe. He likes to play with his toys & if the new kid down the block has got red & orange flames down the side of his bike, I can see HT wanting black, orange, red & yellow BADASS flames down the side of his the next day! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
- kidcol -
-=NightStalkers=-
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I left Warbirds before AH was even a concept. There were no other options (AW3 just doesn't count) out there. Basically, I chose not to fly as opposed to giving ImagicOnline my money.
New name.. same company.
AKDejaVu
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Nah, going to stay here. I will give WBIII a try cause WB is where I came from, but as someone has already said, AH is more "fun".
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
VMF 323 Death Rattlers Web Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~bkapache)
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I left WB's because of IENs lack of customer support and respect. Money was not the issue.
HTC has always provided the human element in their company policy and I respect them for that. As was brought out earlier, Im an old dog faithfull to the master (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Anything lacking in AH compared to WBs is quickly disappearing.
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I came from AW and still fly there once a week with the old squad. It's getting to the point now with boots and real high delays
that I may quit AW all together. AW has promised an updaated game soon, AWME. I will stay to see this game.
I have looked at WB in the past but per hr pricings easily made a no-go. I flew DoA for a couple of months and liked it. Just too few ppl flying when I flew.
I beleive AH is where the future of online WWII flight simming is for a long time!!
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Going back to Warbirds would be like getting back with my ex-wife when I like the one I have now just fine (younger, sexier hehe)!
Ever have those kinds of nightmares? LOL..
Yeager
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Ummm, er, no.
Sisu
-Karnak
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I would go back, but only if there was an improvement in the FM's and Connect's. We know there will finally be visual improvements, but I left because of the FM's mainly. HTC has no competition at the moment. I'm curious about WWII Online, but I'm worried it's gonna be stuck in the BoB for quite sometime, and I'm not much a fan of the early war planeset for such an extended period of time. I would fly all 3, if the other 2 can offer what HTC does now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And I sure hope they put an effort back into DoA, I would for sure be back!
ts
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Rip..
I still at this time hold 2 accounts there, so going back is not an issue for me. I spend more time here because of variuos reasons. From FM to plane load outs to something as mundane as Panzer. AH rules as far as flying goes.
I have found my newest favorite plane ( Typhoon ). It has been given new life with 1.04. And im having a blast.
I will keep both my WB accounts till WB3 is released. Then i will most likely drop them for wwiionline. So in the end ill have an account with AH & wwiionline.
wwiionline for me will be Ships & Subs only.
Unless HT gives us a PT boat down the road (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Dog out........
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I understand the CV's will be player controlled. PT boats would be nice, kinda P-51 on water with B-17 firepower heheee (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Staying with AH, Wb thing of the past now, but will have to checkout wwiionline whenever it gets going. Want to give the early war U-boot campaign a try.
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With easymode gunnery (60% leathialty) if it was free I wouldnt play it. In fact, in a way it is( dont want to open that can of worms) And I dont play it.
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I left WB because the unrealistic gunnery model always bothered me, and when AH came along (and I could afford it) there was just no contest. I couldn't go back to WB.
I left AH because of a sense of isolation (my squad stayed in WB) and because the endless cheap trash-talk in the MA gradually eroded my enjoyment of AH to the point where I
couldn't justify the $43 (CDN) monthly fee anymore. I miss the flying and the classy gents who make up the slim majority of players in AH, but not the grunge-talk and poor sportsmanship of the whiskey-delta vocal minority. I'm sure I will not be missed....
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Flew WB from v.91 until 2.0. Left because of price, nothing more. It was still, for the most part, owned and run by HiTech, Pyro and the rest of the old gang. Customer support was still exceptional and there was no real reason for leaving as the game was amazing and connections were good for the time. Of course this was before the net being flooded with new people due to flat rate pricing. Anyways, no I won't fly WB even if it goes flat rate. AH came out and I thought "Wow, HT and gang are back at it again." Well sorta, just Pyro left of the old crew I knew. Still, turned out an excellent product in short time and it will never get old.
So no on trying WB for flat rate or even for free. It's the quality and HTC's excellent abilities that I will follow, not some gimmick. Even WBIII, sure that terrain system looks nice.... that's about it tho! ;-)
-SW
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Fluf,
You are missed......
Cobra
Musketeer Escadrille
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Hmm I'd be in the hard-core WBer class and I ain't going back. I was there from the CK days.
I left because (in order of importance):
- connect problems
- server problems (remember when the servers kept falling over)
- complete ignorance, denial and unresponsiveness of IEN to these problems
- IENs lousy customer service
- Whats new (NOTHING for months and months)
- IENs attitude to flat rate (ie, if you don't like $$$/hour then f**k off)
- IEN continuing to bill me after I closed my account
I am staying here because:
- HTC were the WB I originally got hooked on
- Flat Rate
- Theres no end in sight to the development of AH
- HTC crew rock
- AH rocks
- I can run AH in 1600x1200 ( 8) )
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Will have to see what WBIII looks like before can say for sure, but I doubt it. Too fun here and the direction and speed of improvement are good.
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LOL
well after reading all that maybe I wont give WB III a try..
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As a former Fighter Ops /War Birds (2.5 years) I left a lot of virtual friends on Warbirds due to the two main reasons mentioned above. Cost and Connection. I was dumped more than once flying 45 minutes in a special mission and not getting to tgt due to dropping out. And some serious lag's.. I haven't had that in AH. Of course there have been days that the connection was not up to normal standards. (Mostly when new release out and everybody downloading). But my theory is this. If IEN had listened to our complaints/suggestions the way that HT and company have they would still have me as a customer. Do I really want to go back and give those guys more of my money? The 3d cockpits and the ground vehicles are outstanding and this has only been going for a year. I can't wait to see what is in the future. I don't give my loyalty easily or quickly, but HTC has been good by me so far. And I have never been one to ignore somebody who has been good to me just because the kid down the street got a new toy.
Chaunc
=Night Stalkers=
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Whats warbirds?????
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Their is always a group that will stand out of the crowd in what they do. HTC stands tall with expirence, and talant! (like they did with WB, till 2.5)
Sure ill take a look at WB3, WW2OL, and anything else that comes along, but im sure it will be hard to see around HTC!
Camel
A proud Buccaneer
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I played WB for two and a half years (and even went to last summer's WBCon), but a month ago, after a few months in AH, I canceled my iEN account. I had planned to keep a minimum WB account until WBIII was released, but after a while I couldn't see the point.
I don't think I'll be back as long as the flight sim remains the same (no multiple USB controllers support, inferior view system etc.), no matter how cheap it becomes. When (if!) WBIII comes out, I'll give it a try, but will I seriously consider moving back to WB?
I doubt it. As it is, only my previous squad kept me flying in WB (they're a great bunch), but in the end it was not enough. (Besides, 308 is a great bunch too! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) From HTC I get the feeling they care about their customers. From iEN I don't.
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
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Damn Fluf I wondered what happened to you.
You are missed! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Frodo
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I flew WB for over 4 years, my first online flight sim. In my opinion it went downhill fast when the HTC crew left it. I kept both accounts open for a while because I had a squad in WB I really liked but every time I went in there I had the feeling my video card was porked and I was flying in 2d.
No, I wont go back. At least I can't imagine doing so.
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MarkAT
"It is not the critic who counts,
it is the man in the arena..."
Teddy Roosevelt
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I miss ya too fluf! xoxoxo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
There is definately a larger pimply faced Jr-High crowd in AH compared to WBs but there are just as many pros up so they tend cancel each other out for the most part. Besides, the trash talk on channel 1 is strictly voluntary. Squelch takes care of if when school lets out. Fortunately, after some cookies and milk its nap time and the big kids rule!
LOL
Yeager
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Just thought I'd mention that the flat rate posts over at AGW are disappearing.
Dunno if it was a prank or if iEN is flaunting its excellent customer service technics again.
AKDejaVu
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I love AH because I nver flew WB. I flew FA1.5 and FA2 and there's absolutely no comparison. What really amazes me is that only 3 of us came over to AH and some guys who were real addicts flying daily stayed there. Couldn't figure out why anyone wouldn't want to pay a fair price for something that is so much better.
Scratching Head
Beeg
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What? When do guys like Fluff fly where there is all this game damage, show stopping, pimple face, trash talking, that .squelch 1 doesn't address?
It sure isn't late night where rivals are made by good 'Ol teasing, and fun is had by settling the score.
It must suck to be so anal you can not fly a sim that's so damn fun.
Go S! yourself...blah.
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WB is up a creak with a spoon for a paddle.
I see more growth in AH every two months than WB could muster in a year.
Long live AH!
eskimo
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I will try WBIII out.
I will try WWIIOL out.
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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well after reading all that maybe I wont give WB III a try.."
Never believe 1/2 of what you read. Wait, this is a www BBS. Make that 95% of what you read.
Cabby
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=44th FS "VAMPIRES"=
"The Jungle Air Force"
Welcome To The Jungle!!!"
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Hmmm, Return to WB....I still fly WB from time to time as I am a member of a squad with some good mates in it. This said when I fly WB I am constantly trying to do things that just are not possible...like look behind your seat!
When you look at the online user numbers in WB now, they most obviously have recently been hit very hard by AH. Hmmm maybe with the price change they have realised that you can't keep on stuffing your customers.
However I am winding down my account with IEN not because AH is better, but because IEN are a bunch of useless turds IMHO. I say this because what have they done for the WB community over the last year....a big fat kick in the teeth is about all.
I am now a member of an AH squad which is turning out to be just as enjoyable as the WB squad. Am making some new friends and most of all am enjoying the community.
Will I go back to WB...no....Will I try WB3...of course I will...wont everyone?
At the end of the day I have no loyalties to a simulator but, I have loyalties to the people I consider my friends.
VoX
9./JG 54 "Grünherz" http://voices.vossnet.co.uk/t/toles/9jg54.gif (http://voices.vossnet.co.uk/t/toles/9jg54.gif)
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I would go back. Much better plane selection. Once AH added more planes, I would come back here though.
Actually, I would probably play in both.
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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York (http://www.trueorigins.net/411rcaf)
"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]
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Staying with AH. I like the community mix a lot more, than there. Of course, AH blows WB in every way, but planeset.
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Of course, AH blows WB in every way, but planeset.
I don't think many has thought it yet but with IEN's decision to go flat rate AH became the premier WWII online sim.
Now AH community can say can say that our high price keeps quakerz away (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) And everybody knows that high price means better sim, atleast this is what I heard (and thought by myself too) when I was in WB.
Times change...
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jochen
Kids today! Why can't they fetishize Fascist military hardware like normal people?
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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just this once I'll be brief...
Read what Vulcan wrote above and guess why IEN no longer recieves US$1200/yr from me now.
Spotcha in the Air