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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Monty405 on February 27, 2004, 05:59:43 PM
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Since this map has been up for several hours and there is no whine post i figured i'd jumpstart the event.
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carrpers.
my BDay this weekend and have Monday off...
was going to go for a marathon playing time.
guess not
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ty for the reminder.
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"Worst...map...ever."
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Pizza isnt that bad. It gives all the ***** milkrunners something to do for a week without fear of being killed.
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death to pizza
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heh,
Several whines have been recorded
There is a bunch of us that like pizza map and hate the smaller ones or other maps.
Bottom line is. we get to suffer through your maps.
You suffer through ours.
cause the ones that do like this map dont really care if you dont like it. just like you dont care if anyone doesnt like your favorite map
and if there is a map you dont like THAT much. there are other arenas. And a beta that needs to be tested.
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pizza has the fewest numbers up of any map... even nite in the other maps isn't as bad. By far the worst map we have.
no reason for it really... Fester could fix it in a few hours if they asked.
lazs
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why fix somthing when you can make somthing new...
im finishing up adding shore batteries and some spawn points. should be done with it in a few days. then will send it to HTC asap.
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the reason is that even tho you continue to make superior maps.... we don't get rid of the old anal ones. The people who made em refuse to admit they made a mistake so...
lazs
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F*$("$"*%+"(%_+"(($_$ Pizza,cya all in a week...:mad:
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A new texture and it might be playable.
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Originally posted by lazs2
pizza has the fewest numbers up of any map... even nite in the other maps isn't as bad. By far the worst map we have.
no reason for it really... Fester could fix it in a few hours if they asked.
lazs
In YOUR opinion. My opinion is Minindodoo is the worst.
and in the end, You opinion is no more valid then mine. or anyone elses.
but I'd be willing ot get rid of Pizza if they got rid of minindoodoo
Even swap
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I like AHDesert..and I'm no milkrunner...Mindano first before Pizza taken out.
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Monty:
It is grammatically incorrect to use the phrase fragment "pizza map". The complete phrase is "pizza map sucks". Although your error is admittedly almost unheard of, it still requires correction.
Hooligan
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There is a bunch of us that like pizza map and hate the smaller ones or other maps.
Thank you - well said:aok
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It's not the map but the colour. Just ad some green into it,and it will be fine with me.
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no map gets anywhere near the same attention as pizza map, must mean something is amiss
still hoping i can start my very first 2 page thread, keep at it!
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Originally posted by lazs2
the reason is that even tho you continue to make superior maps.... we don't get rid of the old anal ones. The people who made em refuse to admit they made a mistake so...
lazs
When Pizza map was made Hitech had a strict policy to adhere to. Bases HAD to be x amount of tiles away from another base. I think on Fester's map ( and I may be wrong ) the bases are closer together. I think Hitech eased up on some restrictions for submitted maps. Remember Pizza is one of the first Larger maps. I am an AK, but had nothing to do with making of the map ( it was made prior to me joining the squad). There are some who enjoy it and some that don't, But the bases are the SAME distance apart from every other map from Hitechcreations. I had many maps i was working on for the MA, but stopped after all the chastizing the AK's got from building this map. I sure it halted many others from building and submitting some also. I have made and helped with many CT maps, some good, some buggy. The Terrain editor went threw many many upgrades and changes. Maps made with the earlier versions of the TE are more buggy then maps made with later versions.
Laz this post is not directed at you personally, but this thread in general.
NUTTZ
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pizza map rocks! perfect for cherring in a 109G10 for those of us who are willing to wait for some kills.
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I like the pizza map.
the longer distances make fights at altitudes above 10k the norm.
its nice to have a variety.
pizza is aslo good because it has a moving front. you are not often fighting on the same base all week on pizza. I can say ive fought in every zone on that map.
other maps including my festerma have a stalemate with stagnant fronts. though likely designed to have stalemate fronts the result is the other 100 bases on the map dont get used much.
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The pizza map is ok but the 12k deep canyons are silly.
The alts are way off IMHO.
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My vox rarely works on pizza map
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Nice sig skull! but how odd that I'M still here LOL:aok
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If Pizza had different climates to it (Green oasis area's ,along the sea's ect ) it wouldnt be so bad .
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
And a beta that needs to be tested.
I have NEVER seen or heard of "beta testers" that pay for an account.:confused:
sides the current full version beta is 54+ MG, which is a little over 3 hours
to D/L on my 56k dialup.
SCDR
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Originally posted by SCDR
I have NEVER seen or heard of "beta testers" that pay for an account.:confused:
sides the current full version beta is 54+ MG, which is a little over 3 hours
to D/L on my 56k dialup.
SCDR
AWW HECK.
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Originally posted by SCDR
I have NEVER seen or heard of "beta testers" that pay for an account.:confused:
sides the current full version beta is 54+ MG, which is a little over 3 hours
to D/L on my 56k dialup.
SCDR
Welp, I know for a fact you played AW for a bit. So, you HAVE heard of "beta testers" that pay for an account :D.
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Actually you can Beta test AH2 in offline for free .
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nuttz.. If all the complaining stopped people from making more maps like the pizza then... It was a good thing. Infinity was like pizza but it got redone latter on and was improved a little.
Asside from fester... it seems the only people who have enough patience to make maps are the ones who aren't any fun to fly with anyway... the timid sky accountants and high alt foxhole boys whos idea of "realism" is to cherry pick in late war rides and whos idea of strat is to pork fuel so that the fights are 4 sectors apart. Who see a CV furball as an evil waste of time that could be used helping the "missunz" and gangbangs so that they could cherry pick easier.
Now, the pizza could be fixed. For one thing... Imagind if there were bases, close bases, close airbases... in those canyons.. great place for early war furballs. Ack on the rims.... cherry pickers would face ack climbing out..
lazs
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The combination of horse s@#T fuel resupply model and bases that are too potato peeling far apart make this map one of the worst ever.
Last night 1 guy flew two back to back sorties, one in a 17 and one in a goon and captured a front line base. What a joke. Nice job by the pilot but what a joke of a map.
pizza map rocks! perfect for cherring in a 109G10 for those of us who are willing to wait for some kills.
:rofl
Wake me when its over.
PIZZA CRAP SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! FIX IT OR KILL IT!!!!!!!!!!
I agree totally laz a little effort could fix this map so everyone could enjoy it, not just the sky accountant cherry pickers.
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The one thing I've enjoyed about this map is the near constant CV battles around A1 I've learned a lot about my inabilities as a pilot on this map...:lol
Perhaps someone else would like to speak on Pizza's behalf?
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Perhaps someone else would like to speak on Pizza's behalf?
Good Luck :rofl
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Originally posted by SCDR
I have NEVER seen or heard of "beta testers" that pay for an account.:confused:
sides the current full version beta is 54+ MG, which is a little over 3 hours
to D/L on my 56k dialup.
SCDR
I used to hae that problem when I had dialup.
there is a simple workaround
Turn off power saving mode and
Download long files when you go to bed.
even if for some reason the DL doesnt complete. You've lost nothing cause you were sleeping when you were DLing and wouldnt be on anyway.
Orrrrrr
you can send me your mailing adress and I'll Mail it to ya Snail mail.
Cant say I didnt offer to help
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OOps hit send twice by mistake.
Originally posted by SCDR
I have NEVER seen or heard of "beta testers" that pay for an account.:confused:
sides the current full version beta is 54+ MG, which is a little over 3 hours
to D/L on my 56k dialup.
SCDR
I used to hae that problem when I had dialup.
there is a simple workaround
Turn off power saving mode and
Download long files when you go to bed.
even if for some reason the DL doesnt complete. You've lost nothing cause you were sleeping when you were DLing and wouldnt be on anyway.
Orrrrrr
you can send me your mailing adress and I'll Mail it to ya Snail mail.
Cant say I didnt offer to help
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Originally posted by mars01
The combination of horse s@#T fuel resupply model and bases that are too potato peeling far apart make this map one of the worst ever.
Last night 1 guy flew two back to back sorties, one in a 17 and one in a goon and captured a front line base. What a joke. Nice job by the pilot but what a joke of a map.
:rofl
Wake me when its over.
PIZZA CRAP SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! FIX IT OR KILL IT!!!!!!!!!!
I agree totally laz a little effort could fix this map so everyone could enjoy it, not just the sky accountant cherry pickers.
As was pointed out in another post. the bases are no farther apart then they are in any other arena.
But even I a pizza map lover agree that there are improvements that could and should be made to make it more enjoyable for all.
Including color. I dont have problems seeing other planes as others claim. I just think the color or lack there of is boring
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As was pointed out in another post. the bases are no farther apart then they are in any other arena.
What are you talking about?
Who cares about other arenas, were talking about a map in rotation in the MA. The bases on Pizza Crap are too far apart. If someone fixed maps like Pizza Crap and did a scaled distance like Fester map then everyone could have fun. They could do it on one slice and it would be better than it is now.
I would like to see someone move the bases closer together on one of the three slices of Pizza Crap. Then the sky accountants can fly on the other two and the people that want to fight can fly on the one. That would be a fair solution and breath new life into this otherwise one sided piece of crap.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Welp, I know for a fact you played AW for a bit. So, you HAVE heard of "beta testers" that pay for an account :D.
LOL NB! My point is/was that we are paying for AH1 and yet it seems that the standard answer is AH2 will fix it (whatever bug/problem someone posts about). That's not right. :mad:
SCDR
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Originally posted by LAWCobra
The pizza map is ok but the 12k deep canyons are silly.
The alts are way off IMHO.
The canyons are the best aspect of the Pizza Map, ive used those canyons countless times to save my butt out of a sticky situation.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
OOps hit send twice by mistake.
I used to hae that problem when I had dialup.
there is a simple workaround
Turn off power saving mode and
Download long files when you go to bed.
even if for some reason the DL doesnt complete. You've lost nothing cause you were sleeping when you were DLing and wouldnt be on anyway.
Orrrrrr
you can send me your mailing adress and I'll Mail it to ya Snail mail.
Cant say I didnt offer to help
LOL! Good thing ya did (hit send twice), cuz I almost missed this.
Thanks, I'll keep you in mind.
SCDR
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pizza is fine.
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Originally posted by SCDR
LOL NB! My point is/was that we are paying for AH1 and yet it seems that the standard answer is AH2 will fix it (whatever bug/problem someone posts about). That's not right. :mad:
SCDR
Don't sweat it, dood. I'm sure AH2 will fix it (insert whatever for the 'it') when it comes out :D.
DREDIOCK, actually, the airfields on pizza are generally set at the maximum allowable distance (30 to 35 miles). Add to that the alts on many of the fields and it does impact playablity. One of the things I didn't realize when I first did Trinity was that you can't count the gv fields when you are setting up your field layout. If you try, you can easily come up with airfields that are more than 50 miles apart, while still maintaining the 35 mile max.
Big Isles is a perfect example of this. In some places, airfields are as much as 70+ miles apart. Frankly, I think Big Isles needs attention much more than the AKDesert.
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Your right baddy, they both need to be fixed, but lets fry one fish at a time. :D
It's too bad HTC could breath some needed new life back into this game with some simple fixes - a kind of peace offering for so grossly missing the AHII delivery date, I just hope we see AHII soon, I find my enthusiasm to play draining daily every time I log in. I just ordered IL2 FB because the MA has gotten so bad. We'll see.
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I hate to say it, but what is this, the 10th time someone has whined about this pizza map? AK's did an excellent job in my book, they were the 1st map makers that wanted to do something for the community, and they get the upmost respect from me, even tho a bunch of morons acted like retards and started bashing, bichin, and moaning like 11 year old kids about how bad their map was. I for one enjoy this map, i can still kill the same, and have just as much fun as i can on any other map.
/rant off.
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I hate to say it, but what is this, the 10th time someone has whined about this pizza map? AK's did an excellent job in my book, they were the 1st map makers that wanted to do something for the community, and they get the upmost respect from me, even tho a bunch of morons acted like retards and started bashing, bichin, and moaning like 11 year old kids about how bad their map was. I for one enjoy this map, i can still kill the same, and have just as much fun as i can on any other map.
The map still sucks :D
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Originally posted by mars01
The map still sucks :D
no it rocks for those of us who can wait.
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you are right wildthing... why would anyone complain? It would be like complaining if they were beaten with a new baseball bat.... I mean the guy went to all the trouble to purchase the bat and all and it was new...
If pizza map was a favor then don't do me any favors..
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
If pizza map was a favor then don't do me any favors..
lazs
The map was a well meant gesture to get us away from the original maps that were in rotation at the time. You should actually be glad that they started the whole "make your own map" thing or you wouldnt be able to fly your festerMA. At least EVEN you could show some respect.
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Originally posted by WldThing
The map was a well meant gesture to get us away from the original maps that were in rotation at the time. You should actually be glad that they started the whole "make your own map" thing or you wouldnt be able to fly your festerMA. At least EVEN you could show some respect.
Lazs?? Show respect??? PULEEZ! :D
Originally posted by mars01
It's too bad HTC could breath some needed new life back into this game with some simple fixes - a kind of peace offering for so grossly missing the AHII delivery date, I just hope we see AHII soon, I find my enthusiasm to play draining daily every time I log in. I just ordered IL2 FB because the MA has gotten so bad. We'll see.
Welp, if HTC was a big shop....meybe. But, seeing as the upgrade to the game is graphics related and the 1 programmer and 2 artists are all working on it....it might be a little bit much to realistically expect. Of course, if they were a big shop...they problably wouldn't pay any attention to us at all :D.
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no it rocks for those of us who can wait.
Good you keep waiting:rofl I'll keep trying to find a fight.
The map was a well meant gesture to get us away from the original maps that were in rotation at the time. You should actually be glad that they started the whole "make your own map" thing or you wouldnt be able to fly your festerMA.
OK great for all that - but now things have progressed this map sucks because the bases are too far apart - fix the map or kill it.
A Very easy solution... IF the AKs were so great, they would at least take one slice and move the fields closer together.
If then, it seems everyone is flying on that piece of map - well maybe we'll be on to something.
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almost there (2 pages) stay on target Red 4, stay on target...
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What is this MA you guys are talking about? Come fly the CT. :D
I posed this question seriously the other night in the MA, but got no serious answers:
Why doesnt everyone leave one country (let it rotate every time so each contry gets a fair turn) when pizza comes up and reset it so you get a new map?
I know, I know, some of you dweebs think your *cough* loyalty[/i] to a FICTITIOUS VIRTUAL[/i] country would not allow you to do it, but it would get rid of Pizza in about...oh...30-45 min? Maybe an hour?
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wildthing.. respect? you are kidding right? burglars work rally hard... I don't respect them... hackers work hard and they claim to be doing it to help. I don't care how much work someone puts into something... if it makes my time online worse then it is my enemy. As for the AK's being the only ones who could break the map making ice.... puleeez.. but...
The main reason I show so little "respect" as you put it... is... they could fix it and they won't. I could "respect" the effort if the map ended up in Warbirds
You take the two new maps before festers... they get complaints... when the infinity map was allmst exactly like pizza (fields at the farthest possible distance from each other... it was roundly hated too... NB made some of the fields closer together and those areas became the most popular on the map. most of the complaining stopped but it still could use some adjustment far as I'm concerned.
grits... CT can be fun but the lack of plane choice and resulting sameness of the fights gets old before that planeset is done.
lazs
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A poll:
How many indulge in these discussions for the heck of it,
as opposed to how many post to try to make a difference?
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Originally posted by lazs2
grits... CT can be fun but the lack of plane choice and resulting sameness of the fights gets old before that planeset is done.
The MA has its own brand of sameness. Almost inevitably, that clump of dots in the distance will be P51/Spit/LA7.
:(:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lazs2
wildthing.. respect? you are kidding right? burglars work rally hard... I don't respect them... hackers work hard and they claim to be doing it to help. I don't care how much work someone puts into something... if it makes my time online worse then it is my enemy. As for the AK's being the only ones who could break the map making ice.... puleeez.. but...
The main reason I show so little "respect" as you put it... is... they could fix it and they won't. I could "respect" the effort if the map ended up in Warbirds
You take the two new maps before festers... they get complaints... when the infinity map was allmst exactly like pizza (fields at the farthest possible distance from each other... it was roundly hated too... NB made some of the fields closer together and those areas became the most popular on the map. most of the complaining stopped but it still could use some adjustment far as I'm concerned.
Well i see how this is...
And here's my opinion, im free to make one and i sure as hell will.... Pizza map is the perfect map, it is the only map that doesnt require constant furballing. For a pilot like myself CONSTANT furball action gets pretty boring, its good to have change, and im glad HTC knows this and doesnt please the 1% of the whining folks. What i see here is greediness, Furballers want EVERY map changed to their own specifications, move the fields closer, unlimited fuel (as to never be able to pork it), etc... And the really strange thing is that its always the SAME people that piss and moan about this map, and you know what? Get the hell over it, it wont change and i dont want it to change, and as long as HTC sees this im sure they will keep it as is. HTC =S!!=
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Originally posted by WldThing
Well i see how this is...
And here's my opinion, im free to make one and i sure as hell will.... Pizza map is the perfect map, it is the only map that doesnt require constant furballing. For a pilot like myself CONSTANT furball action gets pretty boring, its good to have change, and im glad HTC knows this and doesnt please the 1% of the whining folks. What i see here is greediness, Furballers want EVERY map changed to their own specifications, move the fields closer, unlimited fuel (as to never be able to pork it), etc... And the really strange thing is that its always the SAME people that piss and moan about this map, and you know what? Get the hell over it, it wont change and i dont want it to change, and as long as HTC sees this im sure they will keep it as is. HTC =S!!=
I want to marry WildThing! :D:D:D
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pizza map is just too big... allows steamroller real estate weenies to hide from those that would shoot them down. Can't we have a medium pizza instead of the extra large?
And WT, I am one who has whined abotu this map. However, I gave a nod of thanks for the effort, to whit:
I am grateful to those who spent their personal time to attempt a design of a new map...
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Originally posted by Steve
pizza map is just too big... allows steamroller real estate weenies to hide from those that would shoot them down. Can't we have a medium pizza instead of the extra large?
And WT, I am one who has whined abotu this map. However, I gave a nod of thanks for the effort, to whit:
Those same steamrollers can be stopped if the Mindless furballers had a sack big enough to up a P-51 and chase those Tiffies down before they porked the base. But i am grateful at least someone sees the effort put into building a map. =S= Stevio
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Those same steamrollers can be stopped if the Mindless furballers had a sack big enough to up a P-51 and chase those Tiffies down before they porked the base. But i am grateful at least someone sees the effort put into building a map. =S= Stevio
Wake me when it's over!!!!!!!
Total BS why do you have to dictate how I fly when I log in. I don't want to climb to 20K just to chase some moron that ends up dying in the ack or augering, just so I can slimb back to 20k and do it all over again, to compensate for a porked fuel supply model and a sh i t y map. Why don't you just change the name of the game to "Lemmings Augering and Defending".
I would like to log in and see a decent furball and be able to join the fight. Just because you lost your lust for it Wldthing, doesn't mean we all have.
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For some reason, I can manage to get killed multiple times a day no mater what map is on. There is always a fight somewhere. You just have to find it.
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It's not about finding a fight here and there ded, it's about getting on and finding a decent furball. I don't know if you were around when they used to exist normally or not, but that is what I am talking about. Of course anyone can log on and find the hum drum up and fly more than fight action but thats not for me and it's even harder to do when all the front line bases are at 25% and I can't resupply them efficiantly.
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Originally posted by mars01
Wake me when it's over!!!!!!!
Total BS why do you have to dictate how I fly when I log in.
And why the hell do some of you turdlings want to dictate what and how others fly? Ive seen numerous posts where again its the usual suspects agruing about Faster planes, ALT dweebs.. etc, arent you trying to dictate how those pilots fly too? It works both ways bro..
Originally posted by mars01I don't want to climb to 20K just to chase some moron that ends up dying in the ack or augering, just so I can slimb back to 20k and do it all over again, to compensate for a porked fuel supply model and a sh i t y map
If you dont like the way the game is designed, dont let the door hit ya on the way out.
Originally posted by mars01I would like to log in and see a decent furball and be able to join the fight. Just because you lost your lust for it Wldthing, doesn't mean we all have.
You have no idea what i lust for Mars, your arguments are pretty worthless since youve just recently become a furballer.. Never before have you spoken for it while you were in MAW. So please shhh.
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***** Wildthing - Not that it matters but I did champion furballing when I was in the MAW and there are some great furballers in the MAW.
How am I dictating how anyone flies. All I want to see are closer bases and a more even fuel resupply thats it. Your the moron that said the following Those same steamrollers can be stopped if the Mindless furballers had a sack big enough to up a P-51 and chase those Tiffies down before they porked the base.
So suck on your own words.
You have no idea what i lust for Mars,
From your posts it seems like **** :rofl
You are such a pompus *** it makes me laugh. Wildthing has spoken so no one else can.
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YOUR RIGHT IN ONE ASPECT WILDTHNG IT WAS A LITTLE TOO OVERBOARD WITH THE COLOR SO I EDITED IT OUT IN RESPECT TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY
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Originally posted by mars01
UP UR prettythang Wildthing - Not that it matters but I did champion furballing when I was in the MAW.
How am I dictating how anyone flies. All I want to see are closer bases and a more even fuel resupply thats it. Your the moron that said the following So suck on your own words.
From your posts it seems like c o c k :rofl
So blow it out you A, your nothing but a big blowhard that flies in video game, tough guy. Thats probably why you have such a bad attitude.
You are such a pompus prettythang it makes me laugh. Wildthing has spoken so no one else can. You just joined the Zazen group eat meatball dumb prettythang.
O jeez, I remember when TAS had gentleman flying for them, not some blatant morons that can only get their point across by cursing at me, thankfully there are still a few other TAS that are gentleman..
But i guess its what happens when you hit a nerve..
P.S Zazen group eh? I put you in the "I made you look like a fool" group on my list.
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HOLY CRAP !!!! ... simma down now now guys ... this is not necessary ... :eek:
I don't mind Pizza ... its Mindano that I can't stand.
Yeah ... it would be nice if there was some adjusting of the distance between fields. A change in the terrain color would be nice. Changing some of those rediculous canyon VH bases to airfields and then moving them strategically on the map the lessen some of those almost 2 sector flights would be real cool.
Let me ask this question ... Why is it the AKs responsibility to change this map ? The day they handed it over to HTC, it became property of HTC. At this point HTC is up to their *** in alligators trying to perfect AH2 so there will be no effort on their part to make any changes.
You might say ... Well the AK could ask HTC if they could make the changes ... well ... the abuse and ridicule that the AKs have taken over this map, I could hardly blame them if they came out and told us all to drop dead. If I was an AK and possesed the map making abilities that Fester has ... I still wouldn't change the friggin' map.
I have said this before (many times) ... A hardy <> to the AKs for all their efforts on AKDesert and any other person that makes the effort to produce an MA Map. I'll bet some have already made maps that we will never see do to the amount of ridicule that might be directed towards all their hard work and efforts. Would you like to create something that you are proud of and then be shat upon with complete distain ... I DON'T THINK SO !!!
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Your the one that started slinging so dont start crying when you get mud back in your eye.
And dont go running to the SQD thing baby.
yeah slap you know me, when someone wants to start a fight I'm gonna finnish it.
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Originally posted by mars01
Your the one that started slinging so dont start crying when you get mud back in your eye.
And dont go running to the SQD thing baby.
yeah slap you know me, when someone wants to start a fight I'm gonna finnish it.
wowow, you lost me on your first sentance there, dont forget you couldnt hold an argument without going into pissed off mode with your useless slurs.. Your nothing but a moron sir, i dont lose any arguments to someone that has less of an IQ than myself. ( Can i also add, id like to put you in the MRBLACK group).
I dont have to go into the Squad thing, you've just proved that TAS lowered their standards when it comes to gentleman. I've never seen anyone say so many curse words in one post. But i guess every squad has a virus.
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LOL... Mars, that was pretty classy man, don't really argue points, just call names and shout obscenities, you really showed him.
Back to the discussion: Pizza is annoying, for me, simply because of the color. Honestly, the other night I wanted to gouge my eyes out with a plastic taco bell spork when trying to engage someone, only to nearly run right into the back of them because it was tough making out the silouette. I think a darker background color would do wonders for pizza. The other problem is later at night, i.e. 2am CST, there just aren't that many folks on, and a group of about 3 people from one team can hop into GVs and steamroll base after base, mostly unopposed because of the abundance of bases, and lack of players on.
I think if these two issues were fixed, I'd have a better attitude about pizza.
Mars, take it easy man, its all in fun :aok
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Wowow
I really scored on this post, not only did I
1- started a thread that went over 1 page
But I
2- started a thread with abit of emotion, drama, action, and excitment.
Heres to hoping for THREE pages
Go Team!
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wowow, you lost me on your first sentance there, dont forget you couldnt hold an argument without going into pissed off mode with your useless slurs.. ( Can i also add, id like to put you in the MRBLACK group).
Please, you have been in pissed off mode throughout this whole thread and your attitude has sucked. So your Wildthing I'm not going to kiss you prettythang you dont mean that much and it's not warrented. You cant come in here and piss on everyone who has a different opinion than yours and think no ones going to notice. Practice what you preach. So when did your slurs become useful.
even tho a bunch of morons acted like retards and started bashing, bichin, and moaning like 11 year old kids about how bad their map was.
What i see here is greediness, Furballers
Mindless furballers had a sack big enough to up a P-51 and chase those Tiffies down before they porked the base.
And why the hell do some of you turdlings
As for not being able to read that is your problem try RIFF.
Your nothing but a moron sir, i dont lose any arguments to someone that has less of an IQ than myself.
You dont have an argument let alone an IQ. Quit crying and start adding something constructive.
Sorry Howitzer I dont see the need to kiss his prettythang. Granted it could have been less colorful but that would not be as much fun. As for my points they are argued throughout this thread.
I am, I was laughing through most of it thanks for the concern:D
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Originally posted by WldThing
wowow, you lost me on your first sentance there, dont forget you couldnt hold an argument without going into pissed off mode with your useless slurs.. Your nothing but a moron sir, i dont lose any arguments to someone that has less of an IQ than myself...
That is funny. When attempting to prove your intellectual superiority, check your grammar.
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Solution is pretty simple. If you don have a constructive way to address the problem and your not willing to design your own map, play something else.
When I log in at all hours of the day there are usually 400+ playing in the MA regardless of the map present. Therefore I must conclude that most are enjoying themselves.
It seems HTC is doing something right.
I would also like to thank all those who put in time to bring new maps to the player base (even NB:)). Each new map is a fresh, enjoyable experience for some of us.
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punt
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Originally posted by mars01
Please, you have been in pissed off mode throughout this whole thread and your attitude has sucked. So your Wildthing I'm not going to kiss you prettythang you dont mean that much and it's not warrented. You cant come in here and piss on everyone who has a different opinion than yours and think no ones going to notice. Practice what you preach. So when did your slurs become useful.
LMAO, and this is coming from someone that said
PIZZA CRAP SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! FIX IT OR KILL IT!!!!!!!!!! ((The combination of horse s@#T fuel resupply model and bases that are too potato peeling far apart make this map one of the worst ever. ))
Your imbecile statements prove what a moron you are, you yourself dont even know what your talking about. Maybe YOU should check your own attitude. Just damn hilarious.
Now on all of those quotes, do you like rewriting my words or are you just trying to make it seem like your actually taking a jab at me?
Originally posted by mars01
You dont have an argument let alone an IQ. Quit crying and start adding something constructive.
Sorry Howitzer I dont see the need to kiss his prettythang. Granted it could have been less colorful but that would not be as much fun. As for my points they are argued throughout this thread.
I am, I was laughing through most of it thanks for the concern.
And this is coming from a guy once again, that tryed to make his view worthy by cursing at me with every known word in his vocabulary. And Sir one more thing, im LAUGHING at you.
P.S you should have left your remarks not edit them out, would have at least made you look more like a man.
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PIZZA CRAP SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! FIX IT OR KILL IT!!!!!!!!!! ((The combination of horse s@#T fuel resupply model and bases that are too potato peeling far apart make this map one of the worst ever. ))
Notice lmpotentthng that I didn't have anyhting to say about anyone, I merely stated facts of the game. There is no bad attitude toward other players just the imperfections of the game. You on the other hand have been insulting since your first whine. That is the difference since I have to spell it out for you.
Now on all of those quotes, do you like rewriting my words or are you just trying to make it seem like your actually taking a jab at me?
Guess I got to spell it out for you again - your reading comprehension seems to be quite lacking. All those quotes (I'll go nice and slow for you) are examples of "your slurs ".. Was that slow enough for you. Maybe this time you'll get it.
And this is coming from a guy once again, that tryed to make his view worthy by cursing at me with every known word in his vocabulary. And Sir one more thing, im LAUGHING at you.
I wasn't making it worthy by cursing, those are words and I am not so offended by them, but I know little egos are and yours was so I am sorry you took such offense. So I edited them out, out of respect for the community and my squad. Your were right in one aspect little man and I cited that, when I removed my comments like a man.
P.S you should have left your remarks not edit them out, would have at least made you look more like a man.
And this just proves that you are a little man throwing the Sqaud rep card, because if it meant so much to you that the TAS were lowering their standards then you would not have needed to throw such a baby statement and impotent attack at my manhood - (oh no impotentthing doesnt think I'm a man bwahhahahahaha I laugh at you and in your face.) - You would have recognized the concession of poor taste and responded like a man. But now we all get to see what kind of man you are.:aok
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Sooo uhhhh... what do you guys feel about the pizza map?
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Originally posted by mars01
Guess I got to spell it out for you again - your reading comprehension seems to be quite lacking. All those quotes (I'll go nice and slow for you) are examples of "your slurs ".. Was that slow enough for you. Maybe this time you'll get it.
ROFL all of those quotes were examples of my Slurs???
Now let me see here, my "Slur" - And why the hell do some of you turdlings - Mars01 "Slur" - ***** Wildthing -
My "Slur" -Mindless furballers had a sack big enough to up a P-51 and chase those Tiffies down before they porked the base.-
Mars01 Slur- You are such a pompus *** it makes me laugh-
Now im beginning to think you truly are some kind of a moron. Impotentthing? O jeez man, grow the hell up.
And this just proves that you are a little man throwing the Sqaud rep card, because if it meant so much to you that the TAS were lowering their standards then you would not have needed to throw such a baby statement and impotent attack at my manhood - (oh no impotentthing doesnt think I'm a man bwahhahahahaha I laugh at you and in your face.) - You would have recognized the concession of poor taste and responded like a man. But now we all get to see what kind of man you are.
Alright MAN, next time YOU be the man and respond, leave out your curse words at home tho, they dont work on the playground.
P.S , Take my advice and Quit while you still can. I can play every card on the table..
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I could really go for a hotdog...
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WildThing/Mars01: LMAO! :rofl
Hehe, Mars. I used to think you were a banana, even an a-hole, sometimes both. But now I think you have just a little too much enthusiasm for the game, or at least the 30% of the game that you play. :lol I agree with Joker when he said When I log in at all hours of the day there are usually 400+ playing in the MA regardless of the map present. Therefore I must conclude that most are enjoying themselves.
Exactly. What some people fail to realise is that this BBS is only read by a tiny minority of AH players.
So Mars - you need to learn the give and take thing. Lots of people like pizza. You like other maps. Enjoy the maps you like, and let others enjoy the maps they like. And quit crying like a baby because you can't have everything your own way all the time. If there's one thing I can't stand about the furballers, it's that. :mad:
WildThing - you're never going to improve on what you said earlier. It was so good, I'm using it for my sig. :D
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Originally posted by Monty405
I could really go for a hotdog...
Brats. Happened to buy a pack this morning. Thanks for the reminder.
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So Mars - you need to learn the give and take thing. Lots of people like pizza. You like other maps. Enjoy the maps you like, and let others enjoy the maps they like. And quit crying like a baby because you can't have everything your own way all the time.
And then there were two,
Beetle once again you have no idea of what you speak. You speak of give and take but yet on any given map you can cherry pick, ground pound, ganga bang and sneak undefended bases till thew cows come home ( Something I know you love).
As for people that want to furball - we can't. The furballs are few and far between and on maps like Pizza Crap they are non existent. Even when thy do get started someone comes in and porks the fuel and they die. All I ask is to move the bases closer together on one slice. If we find that, that is where everyone flies then I guess the point is made. But you can't give even a slice and you talk of give and take.:rofl
If there's one thing I can't stand about the furballers, it's that.
Just the fact that you can make such a sweeping statement about the furball community as a whole, shows how truely full of meatball you are.
I used to think you were a banana, even an a-hole, sometimes both.
And there you go with the Slurs as well. You and ipotentthng are good bed fellows. Lots of class there.
Why don't you try to focus on the issue which is fuel resupply rather then make your personal attacks.
As for you ipotence, dueling with your dim whittedness has lost it's flare so I am done with you. I said all that needs to be said. And the fact that you became Beetle's poster boy makes this all worth it :rofl :aok
LOL Steve hehehe:D
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wildthing... face it, it was you who was dictating how others fly. You are the one who claimed that everything would be fine on pizza if the furballers just stopped enjpying the game and upped in the most boring plane of the game in order to chase down the boring players who pork fuel...
Well... that makes a lot of sense huh? guess what? I have upped tempests to chase down the sissy pee 51's and typhies on the boring maps.... and... yep, ta da... it's boring. when you finally catch em they can't fight... you climb and climb and chase and chase and then they die easier than the rankest newbie furballer. no fun
now, take the furballer. He isn't telling you that you have to stop cherry picking in your peee 51 wildthing... no.. he is simply asking for some places where the fields are closer together so that if anyone wants to actually fight they can. It is about choice... you can still take off somewhere else or one field back. you don't have to participate.
lazs
what you are saying is that given a choice people will fuirball (have fun) and so you have to design the maps so that they can't.
lazs
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Im done with this discussion, enjoy yourselves!
But i do like how lazs always tries to get under my skin with that p-51 cherry pickin crap, its rather funny...
Hehehe Beetle, good sig :D
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yeah wildthing... he is as pompous as you and he is saying.... "we need to make maps that make it allmost impossible to furball because lf we don't... people will have fun and not play the way I like em to"
you both take a lot of words to not say much.
lazs
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Originally posted by mars01
It's not about finding a fight here and there ded, it's about getting on and finding a decent furball. I don't know if you were around when they used to exist normally or not, but that is what I am talking about. Of course anyone can log on and find the hum drum up and fly more than fight action but thats not for me and it's even harder to do when all the front line bases are at 25% and I can't resupply them efficiantly.
Check. I've only been on for a year and proly took me a few months to figure out what a furball was. lol
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LOL rgr
dedalos,
Unfortunatly I came in at the end of the furball era and really couldn't do much but die in them, but even that was a blast. I would watch from above in awe and respect of the guys like wldthng, laz and the BKs, the 13th, the MAW, even the assasins :Det-al that could engage in such kaos and survive to land their kills. Then I would dive in blow an angle drop all my e and whammo, I was dead lol.
Just in the last year or so I have gotten myself to a point where I can be somewhat affective in a furball and have fun actually killing and getting out, but now they don't exist in that form anymore.
As Laz has said, and I agree, it is about choice and having one. Unfortunately I don't have a choice to furball on the flawed maps and the maps where the furballs did exist in grand form dont any more because the suffer from the fuel resupply problem. So they don't last.
I can't remember the last time I took up a late war plane to cherry pick, but last night I did because that was the only choice I had. The fuel was porked and had to fly long flights to get to the battle and even though I had fun I did get bored and lost me ferver.
I agree that if the only choice were to furball, then that would be a problem. So I don't want to see choices restricted I want to see them encouraged.
Pizza Crap is a decent map but it has removed the choice to furball. When I get bored cherry picking or only have an hour or so to fly and want to engage in the adrenalin rush of the mayhem the furball offers, rather than the relatively slow paced dive and climb BnZ fight, I can't.
It's really that simple. Just some people have a large problem when everyone is happy and it is obviouse by there postings.
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To all those who complain about maps.... Build one and submit it... If not STFU... Do like fester and take action istead of just complaining all the damn time. geez already this is plain stupid to go around in circles like this. Here we are a bunch of grown *** men arguing like a bunch of beatches over a game.
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Originally posted by jamusta
To all those who complain about maps.... Build one and submit it... If not STFU... Do like fester and take action istead of just complaining all the damn time.
God no jamusta, that would actually take work!!! Were not here to work just have fun!! We want it all done for us when we log into the arena!
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God no jamusta, that would actually take work!!! Were not here to work just have fun!! We want it all done for us when we log into the arena!
Gee theres a constructive addition to the conversation.
If something is broke you fix it, or replace it. The original large maps need to evolve to give choice back where it has been lost. This is not about building new maps. It's about addressing a poor fuel resupply model that restricts the choices people have.
Why can't things like this get discussed. Why do people have to STFU. This is a public BB that is driven by people not Shutting TFU.
I have run into you many times Jam and respect you, but if you don't agree with the post, type your input, but please don't try to stiffle or shut up others that want to express an opinion.
If you said, enuff of the personal attacks, STFU. Then I would have to agree with you and say you are right on.
As for the arguing that is about the insults cast.
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Originally posted by mars01
Gee theres a constructive addition to the conversation.
Well i only hope to measure up to your great additions in this post..
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Mars the community as a whole needs to let subjects like this go. Not everyone is going to like the maps that are put out. I get frustrated at the bashing of someones hard work. The majority of the people who complain about certain maps havent lifted a finger to make one. I want to see those who complain put out a product if they think they can do better. I myself dont really like pizza. I refuse to complain about it because I know I cant do better. I appreciate the hard work that every map builder puts into their maps. And whether I like it or not I will play on it and make the best of what I have. Just think if it werent for those building maps what would we have to fly on huh? We act like spoiled prettythang kids and it really is getting old. The majority of us on this board are MEN arent we? Its time we show it on certain subjects. Now if I upset people when I said STFU I apologize.
But some deserve it.
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Jam,
you are quite correct but I feel disappointed by the current map rotation which has definitely swung in favour of small maps in the last few months. I enjoy the pizza map because of the variety it offers - GV battles, high altitudes, a break from furballing. I feel wronged that Pizza has only been up a couple of days this week. I was away at the weekend and wasn't able to log on till Monday, by which time it had been reset.
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beetle feels that whining should not be done unless it is your ox being gored. Wildthing feels that limiting choice is ok so long as you put a lot of work into it. They both know that given the oportunity (choice) people will have fun and not play the stupid "win the war" gangbang, cherry pick thing.
Closer fields add choice not take it away. some of the guys who made the maps were all about limiting choice to the way they liked to play and that is why the maps are so bad for guys who just want to have a good time.
just thought I would point that out... but you all knew that.
lazs
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So far festers first map has been the best. The strat guys have tons of stuff to blow up. The furballers have their close fields. So the strat guys pork all the fields but they are close enough where it really doesnt matter. If you want to take off and climb to 30k just start a few fields back and you can climb in relative peace. Want to gv til your lil heart explodes you can do that to. All im saying is he had his problems with maps and he went and made his own. Called stepping up to the plate and to me he hit a homerun.
Forgot, map rotation is a different subject all together. Those lil ones sure are up alot these days.
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle feels that whining should not be done unless it is your ox being gored. Wildthing feels that limiting choice is ok so long as you put a lot of work into it. They both know that given the oportunity (choice) people will have fun and not play the stupid "win the war" gangbang, cherry pick thing.
Closer fields add choice not take it away. some of the guys who made the maps were all about limiting choice to the way they liked to play and that is why the maps are so bad for guys who just want to have a good time.
just thought I would point that out... but you all knew that.
lazs
and Laz feels that the only way to have fun is to furball and that most people feel or should feel that way.
they dont.
In fact its obvious that most people play the win the war/reset the map thing. And most actually try to do it without porkign the bases so they can be used as a base for the next capture
The furball is just something they sometimes encounter or create while doing that and the bases closer together are always the first ones attacked and captured.
The porked base is the result of a defending country trying to prevent an attacking country from hoarding them and/or capturing their bases.
Hmmm kinda like it was and is in real life huh?
After all War is all about whats going on on the ground.
Planes were typically upped for three reasons.
1- to pork and take each others land
2- to prevent the porking and taking of eachothers land
3- to protect those trying to pork and take each others land from those seeking to stop those trying to pork and take each others land.
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BTW a note on Radar.
Saw it mentioned somewhere that dar was usless in finding a fight. Thats not true. Or if it is for anyone then they are using Dar wrong.
Dont look for where the fight is. Try looking at where the fight is going to be. Its usually obvious enough. All Darbars are headed somewhere. Just gotta figure out where which usually isnt all that hard.
THERE you will find your fight.
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By Beetle
And quit crying like a baby because you can't have everything your own way all the time. If there's one thing I can't stand about the furballers, it's that.
By Beetle
I feel disappointed by the current map rotation which has definitely swung in favour of small maps in the last few months.
So does this qualify as crying like a baby too?:D
Jam thats cool, I appreciate your view and respect it. For the guys that made the maps, as I said before I respect and appreciate the work the previouse map builders did, but if it's broke why shouldn't we fix it.
Beetle,
It cracks me up when guys say things like "a break from furballing. " What a joke. How do you need a break from furballing when they don't exist and in the event that one does occure there is plenty of map besides that one place, that you bored by furballing types can go, on all maps. There has never been a time when I logged on in two years that I couldn't Ground Pound, Cherry Pick, Hide in the Clouds or sneak a base ( did I cover all your choices beetle?). But to log in and find a furball is more akin to finding a pot of gold.
and Laz feels that the only way to have fun is to furball and that most people feel or should feel that way.
Why do you Win the War guys read "Add choice" and interpret that to mean "Fly my Way" How can you write such BS. Laz has said nothing but allow everyone the choice to fly the way they want. Right now the only people that can are the Win the War types. If you are a furballer you choice is greatly restricted and or gone.
The porked base is the result of a defending country trying to prevent an attacking country from hoarding them and/or capturing their bases.
Hmmm kinda like it was and is in real life huh?
After all War is all about whats going on on the ground.
So are you saying FK my choice, I should accept that this is the way it is and fly your way?????
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LOL your getting there Monty:D
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Longest 15 minutes I've ever suffered through. Curse you Warhol. ;)
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Originally posted by mars01
Jam thats cool, I appreciate your view and respect it. For the guys that made the maps, as I said before I respect and appreciate the work the previouse map builders did, but if it's broke why shouldn't we fix it.
Mars, bud I understand that you have a problem with the map. But think about it for a second man,,,,, who are we to say its broke. Just because it doesnt appeal to some of us doesnt mean there is something wrong with it.
To each his own...
And no worries I still love ya...
:aok
WOOOOHOOOOO I started the 3rd page!!!!! aint I grand???
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LOL 3rd page hehehe,
Mars, bud I understand that you have a problem with the map. But think about it for a second man,,,,, who are we to say its broke. Just because it doesnt appeal to some of us doesnt mean there is something wrong with it.
Yeah I was wondering when someone was going to get around to that. :D If there is no choice to furball, which there isn't and people are left out, like me (whaaaaaaa):D , then I consider it broke.
I think a good map allows everyone to find something they like. If it reduces the choices it is flawed. This is one of the resons I like Festers map. He expanded some of the field distances to accommodate everyone. All the choices are protected and preserved. Unfortunately on Pizza and some of the other maps this is not the case and choices have been removed.
What is so wrong with maps that appeal to people that furball and people that Ground Pound/Win the War?
I know people are tired of hearing it, but that doesn't mean stop saying it. It should mean Lets Fix it and add back the choices we lost.
If it was impossible to accommodate both groups I would live with Furball maps and Win the War maps. But Fester has shown this is not the case and we can co-exist on same map. But some of the ground pounders cant accept that and are fighting it tooth and nail so that every one has to ground pound, cherry pick or log off.
Laz nailed it when he said it's about giving everyone a choice, not restricting them.
And no worries I still love ya...
LOL, now there's the love:D
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Originally posted by mars01
So does this qualify as crying like a baby too?:D
Why do you Win the War guys read "Add choice" and interpret that to mean "Fly my Way" How can you write such BS. Laz has said nothing but allow everyone the choice to fly the way they want. Right now the only people that can are the Win the War types. If you are a furballer you choice is greatly restricted and or gone.
So are you saying FK my choice, I should accept that this is the way it is and fly your way?????
Very simple. by this line
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that given the oportunity (choice) people will have fun and not play the stupid "win the war" gangbang, cherry pick thing.
Im not saying FK your choice at all.
I may be primarily a strat type guy but I HATE the hordes. And have said so repetedly
Really what I would like to see is something done more to balance the numbers out.
I have no problem with furballers furballing (though I wish they would do it a litle farther away from home base LOL)
I just wish I wasnt forced into furball settings which is what happens on the small maps.
Fights wise I like the 1 V 1 or 2 or even 3V1's at times. Its the 5,6,7+ on 1's I hate.
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I think I'm pretty much on the same page as DREDIOCK in this script!
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Well Dred I mean honestly this is the give and take beetle is talking about but cant accept.
I know that when some of the bases are moved closer together that I will have to accept the fact that once these bases are all taken by one country, the map will now be mostly strat as we have now. I can accept (give) that.
So when you are done taking all the bases that are far apart from one another and want to take the bases that are closer together you will have to accept that you will deal with larger numbers and adjust as well.
I dont think it is fair for you guys to say dont move some of the fields we want the whole map to be arranged around ground pounding ( far bases )
This is a balance that allows choice for everyone.
that given the oportunity (choice) people will have fun and not play the stupid "win the war" gangbang, cherry pick thing.
You can read this line as, "furballers want other people to only furball", but you will be wrong in your comprehension and interpretation joining with the close minded few that still cling to this belief.
All Laz is saying is that if given the choice, he believes that the majority of the people will want to furball rather than ground pound. Personally who cares as long as we have the choice to do both. Right now the only choice I have is Ground Pound or Cherry Pick. My choice to furball has been taken away.
Im not saying FK your choice at all.
I appreciate and respect that.
I may be primarily a strat type guy but I HATE the hordes. And have said so repetedly
Really what I would like to see is something done more to balance the numbers out.
I agree about the hordes, but there is little that can be done about that. HiTech is not going to limit the player base and forcing people to fly for certain countries because the country they want to fly in is full will never work.
Personally I think the hords are here to stay and there is nothing we can do except accept it, that said if someone does come up with a solution that does not restrict the choiced, I could get behind it.
I just wish I wasnt forced into furball settings which is what happens on the small maps.
And I wish I wasnt forced into the Ground Pound, Cherry Pick when all the close bases have been captured. Again this is the give and take.
Fights wise I like the 1 V 1 or 2 or even 3V1's at times. Its the 5,6,7+ on 1's I hate.
I can understand that, and if you stay on the fringe of a furball that is all you get. I know guys that live on the 1 V 1 or 2 or even 3V1's out there.
Again the choices are yours, unfortunatly on the maps like pizza and the like I dont have the choice other than long flights and cherry picking.
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I don't know that given the choice most people will furball but it sure seems that people are attracted to a big fight... and why not? that's what we are here for.
dred... I don't understand how any map we have can force you to furball. if the fields are 10 miles apart you can take off 10 20 30 40 or more miles away from the fight and you are allmost guarenteed that someone like minded will be doing the same.... no matter how high you go there will be someone a little bit highere for you to run away from or to run away from you.
I don't bother because the guys up ther aren't much challenge... you spend all that time working your way up to em and then you have to convince them they have an advantage or they will run.... they are pretty easyu kills but it takes forever and is boring. but... If I want.. I can find all those fights I want on every map.
close fields don't force people to do anything.
lazs
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I don't know that given the choice most people will furball but it sure seems that people are attracted to a big fight... and why not? that's what we are here for.
Yeah sorry for the misinterpretation laz, was just trying to get a point across. Something you did with alot less words:D
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well.... I do believe that most of the sky accounts fear that given a choice... people will ignore them.... the players will look for the big fun fites. I believe that the other map makers have the wrong idea except fester. Most want to channel the game for one style of gameplay... the one they enjoy. Fester understands choice. He doesn't allways make me happy but he gives the best choices of all the players making maps.
lazs
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Well...its all moot , that abomination we call Big Isl's is up now, if any map needed to be rotated with small maps its this one.
shamus
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Is Big Isl's the one that looks like trinity turned inside out?
Water here the land was and land where the water was?
If so, at least we get some good fights when the carriers off shore, otherwise your right.