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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: CurtissP-6EHawk on February 28, 2004, 10:54:28 AM
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Friday's Stats
P-38L has 207 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 334 Kills of P-38L
P-38L has 72 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 87 Kills of P-38L
Allied 279 Kills
Axis 421 Kills
**edited** This is not a ballanced!
Is that better?
Not a whine, just an observation
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Told you to add the Blue Planes - but would anyone listen to me? NOOOOO! :D
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Statistics alone are deceiving. All last night the Allies had a numbers advantage somewhere in the 20 vs 30 range yet they were consistantly outnumbered in the AIR, that is not a problem with the plane set. Stop sending half your numbers (not meaning you personally, the figurative "you") up north to grab irrelevant bases while leaving your southern comrads outnumbered and that will change.
I do not disagree that the setup may be unbalanced, but it is not as bad as Hungary was, much better in fact, because the Allies there had both the fastest and best turning plane, but I didnt hear any Allied complaints then. This set the Axis has the best turning plane, while the Allies have a clearly faster plane. Flown properly (I am not infering you do not know how to properly fly it Hawk, I know you do) the P-38 should totally dictate when and where to engage or disengage. The P-38 has a 30 MPH advantage on the Ki61 and a 20 MPH advantage on the Niki, and that is at sea level, the difference gets wider as alt climbs. Stay fast and you should have no problem, get slow and you will die.
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Grits I know what you are saying and you have a valid point. What you need to understand is that most who fly in the CT like to "furball". In the names of "ballance" and "furball", as so preached by Brady, the arena is unballanced.
Sure, if all allies flew the P-38 as it should be flown and in a tactful format with groups or squadrons, the P-38 woul rule althought maybe not be shooting down many planes but by staying alive. Thus the axis guys would get tired of "chasing" hence then they would be yelling.....UNFAIR! ALL ALLIED DO IS RUN!
All last nigtht I had to pick and choose my fights. I never "stole" a kill (cherry picking) from anyone. I had to make sure engaging was not going to get me low from other incomming cons...typical "hamsterwheel-stream". I only had 8 kills and one death. The death was from shane's awsome HO. Yes I hoed but was planing a last sec brake like I always do. He poped me at D900 befor I could pick a bugger :)
OH YEAH, the stats show how the CT is played, and because of how it is played, it is indeed UNBALANCED!
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Agreed, as you well know I'm a furball type myself. I've already said several times the FM2 would be the historically accurate USN choice, and maybe the F6F, the F4U was not widely deployed to CV's yet at this point in the war. What would you add to the set?
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That best why to prove something is wrong is to keep quiet till the end result shows. Kind like the way our government works.
I stand fast on the stats. The reason for the results may be due to something not being used correctly but the result is the result no matter what, were, when or why! If the P-38 is being used wrong then its up to the staff to insure ballance based on the players stupidity resulting from what the axis replys would be if the P-38 was used correctly.
What the hell did I just say? I need a beer!
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Heh, again, I agree. What should be added?
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Add the P-51B, but I already said that a few times
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Other than top speed (which the Allies already have) isnt the P-38 better than the 51B?
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Originally posted by Jester
Told you to add the Blue Planes - but would anyone listen to me? NOOOOO! :D
I gotta agree with you, I feel like Im quitting CT cuz of not good history. Sorry no offense.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Friday's Stats
P-38L has 207 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 334 Kills of P-38L
P-38L has 72 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 87 Kills of P-38L
Allied 279 Kills
Axis 421 Kills
THIS IS NOT BALANCED!
It has nothing to do with balance but more of a pilot thing. Get the P-38 side with guys that know how to fly the Lightning and you'll see those numbers dramatically change in the P-38s favor.
Despite what people think, the P-38 is far superior to the N1K2 and the Ki-61. In the hands of a capable P-38 pilot, those planes are no match.
ack-ack
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Nothing could be more unbalancing than throwing a point and shoot plane up against one requiring proper skills and tactics in a "furball" arena.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Despite what people think, the P-38 is far superior to the N1K2 and the Ki-61. In the hands of a capable P-38 pilot, those planes are no match.
That is my feeling on those planes also, and I dont "specialize" in any plane in particular, I fly them all with pretty much the same level of mediocrity. :)
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what ack ack said - sort of
you get good p38 pilots winging together and the japs will get their arses handed to them
of course it'd be 99.9% b&z so it would be about as exciting as watching paint dry but the P38 jocks would own the arena
about 2am EST this morning the room was full of p38 experts - glad it was past my bedtime :)
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Other than top speed (which the Allies already have) isnt the P-38 better than the 51B?
Much better, but it will give some guys an option when they get frustrated getting slaughtered low and slow in the '38. Personally I love the P-38, AKAK, you gonna spend some time with us this week?:D
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Originally posted by Snork
Nothing could be more unbalancing than throwing a point and shoot plane up against one requiring proper skills and tactics in a "furball" arena.
And the MA requires more "skills and tactics" than the CT? Surely you jest? You mean Pork-n-Auger skills? Or Divebombing Lanc skills? Or 50 v 5 capping a base and vulchin? Or how about...on second thought, you are right the MA does require more "skills" than the CT.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It has nothing to do with balance but more of a pilot thing. Get the P-38 side with guys that know how to fly the Lightning and you'll see those numbers dramatically change in the P-38s favor.
That's how I view this setup. Seems to me that most of us are probably not real familiar with the P-38 (just a guess, but I'll bet it's pretty close). Anyone who flies the CT regularly is already familiar with Tony, and many are familiar with Nik. So this is an opportunity to learn a new plane, one that SHOULD be effective if flown right.
Problem for me, last nite, at least, was that everyone seemed to want to fly allied. Wonder why?
- oldman (will check it out tonite in a few minutes)
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That's how I view this setup.
As do I.
The statistics simply show that many pilots in the P-38L, simply lack in skill.
Now, I'm not saying that as a personal attack. It's not as if it was unexpected.
Usually, with multiple choices of all the planes available in a certain timeline, the average grade pilots will generally choose a plane that's easier for them to fight in(not necessarily "survive in", though), rather than go for a challenge in a plane they are not much familiar with.
It brings up an interesting question to the CT players: in many different CT setups, really, how many different planes does one fly?
I'm willing to bet most of the people who exclusively fly Spitfires, will choose only the Spitfire, all through the ETO setup. Sorry for "pointing out a finger" to the Spitfire, but as much as the Spits are really a masterpiece in hard-boiled dogfighting, naturally it should mean it is generally easier to manage and fly - thus, remaining a main choice for many pilots even though the setup offers different variety of choices.
So usually, if we take something like a 1944 ETO as an example with all the USAAF planes of the timeline enabled, only about 20% who know how to fly, and actually prefer to fly the P-38, will be flying in them. The rest 80%, usually divides into 50% Spits, and 30% in P-47Ds and P-51B/Ds. The 50% who fly Spits, also fly Spits in Mediterranean, Fight over the Channel, Tunisia.
Now, that's not a problem with only the Allied pilots. Axis pilots are the same - most will prefer to fly the Bf109 rather than the Fw190, in German Axis setups.
But generally, as the Axis planes are all limited in capabilities for "easy action", the problem of people lacking knowledge of a certain specific plane is less pronounced.
To the average level Axis pilot, he won't be able to really "dogfight" the Allied planes be it he is in the Bf109 or the Fw190. Thus, average Axis pilots are ready to try different planes without much disparity in their scores.
Besides, there's only two major fighter plane types in the German plane set in the first place. Only about three major types in Japanese plane set.
Thus, the knowledge and experience of different types of planes offered, is a bit higherfor the Axis pilot than average skilled Allied pilot. The Axis pilots can fly any plane in the Axis setup with simular results(although, they may not be neccesarily "skilled" in general), while the average Allied pilots show a distinct disparity in results according to the plane they fly.
Average grade pilots accustomed to the Spit generally don't have a clue on how to fight in the P-38. They'd probably rather fly a P-51D, which can at least disengage at will, if they are denied Spitfires. Average skilled Axis pilots, on the other hand, can't do much in both Bf109 or the Fw190 - they choose the only way they know how they can survive, or at least, go down with at least a single kill: they stick to combat principles of alt and speed(although they may not no much of in utilizing it fully). In the Japanese Axis, the A6M5 and the N1K2 have pretty much simular tactics when squaring off against faster US fighters, and only those who are confident in the Ki-61, would use them.
In effect, what we have is a situation something like, a group of RAF Spit squadron pilots suddenly receiving P-38s to fight in, which they never flew before, as compared to a group of Japanese squadron pilots who are flying a plane which is generally simular in overall quality, with the planes they used to fly.
That is one of the reasons why I like limited plane choices of single plane type per country. It forces the player to try what they are not familiar with. Also, simulates a bit of the war-time reality, in that the pilots did not have choices as to what to fly - they fight with what they were given with. That's part of the fun in CT - if a bit of historicity limites your planes, you learn to fly with what you were given with.
Ofcourse, people who feel as if they are oppressed, and can't stand to play the game for 5 minutes when their preferred selection is limited, will hate such setups. But then again, generally they hate all the setups that don't feature any plane they can play with easily.
This setup would have been much more interesting without the N1K2-J. I'm willing to bet that even if without the N1K2-J, the scores will turn out pretty much as it is now.
ps) I'm also willing to bet if the "blue planes" are added, 80% of the Allied pilots whill once again, shift to the Hellcat, which is generally easier to maneuver with, than the P-38L. So we're probably gonna get a setup with the name of "George vs. the Lightning", where nobody flies the Lightning but the couple of dedicated P-38 pilots. And people will soon begin to wonder "where are the 'lightnings' anyway?"
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i made one of my rare(as of late) entrancnes into the CT on friday night and was suprised to see the Allies furballing with the NIKI. I was sure i was gonna be in for a long night of Booming and Zooming but instead the L's were mixing it up and losing badly. It could be worse though....they could take away the P-38 and give the Allies the 202 and the 109E-4
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I see a lot of you axis pilots stating that if the P-38 was flown properly that the stats would be different. Well, duh, of corse but what would soon follow would be the same axis pilot crying that all we do is.......what the proper P-38 pilot does to kill AND stay ALIVE!
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Too summarize, what Kweassa is saying is, this is much to do about nothing and you Allied chumps complaining about the P-38 being outclassed are skilless dweebs. :D
(grinnin, duckin, runnin!)
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Originally posted by Slash27
AKAK, you gonna spend some time with us this week?:D
Yep, been took a couple of sorties in there last night, smacking any N1K2 or Ki-61 that was foolish enough to engage.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Eagler
what ack ack said - sort of
you get good p38 pilots winging together and the japs will get their arses handed to them
of course it'd be 99.9% b&z so it would be about as exciting as watching paint dry but the P38 jocks would own the arena
99.99% of the BnZers would probably be the ones what really don't know how to use the P-38 to its fullest. A P-38 can hold it's own against in a turn fight against the N1K2 provided the P-38 pilot keeps the fight above 300mph or below 150mph (stall fighting) and a P-38 can easily out turn a Ki-61. Stuff like that you wouldn't expect the casual P-38 pilot to know, so that's why the majority BnZ in it.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Grits
And the MA requires more "skills and tactics" than the CT? Surely you jest? You mean Pork-n-Auger skills? Or Divebombing Lanc skills? Or 50 v 5 capping a base and vulchin? Or how about...on second thought, you are right the MA does require more "skills" than the CT.
To say the CT requires "more skill" than the MA, is just sheer folly, just like saying the MA takes "more skill" to survive in than the CT. If you're a good pilot, you'll be successful in either arena and if you suck, you'll suck in them both. Both require the same amount of "skill" to be successful. To think otherwise, is just...well, dweebish.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Problem for me, last nite, at least, was that everyone seemed to want to fly allied. Wonder why?
- oldman (will check it out tonite in a few minutes)
Because the P-38 r0xx0r! and the N1K2/Ki-61 suxx0r!
ack-ack
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
I see a lot of you axis pilots stating that if the P-38 was flown properly that the stats would be different. Well, duh, of corse but what would soon follow would be the same axis pilot crying that all we do is.......what the proper P-38 pilot does to kill AND stay ALIVE!
I can hardly be called an Axis pilot since the only fighter I fly is the P-38L but I stand behind my original post and totally agree with Kweassa's. There's more to flying the P-38 than just knowing how to BnZ in it. There's stuff like that you need to know that will let you out turn a Ki-61 or a N1K2 in a stall fight. Stuff like that the casual P-38 pilot won't know how to do.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Both require the same amount of "skill" to be successful. To think otherwise, is just...well, dweebish.
I agree, which is why I said what I said. I took the "Furball Arena" and "a plane that requires proper skills and tactics" comments as a suggestion that folks in the MA had the skills and tactics and the CT folks dont, which is silly.
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see a lot of you axis pilots stating that if the P-38 was flown properly that the stats would be different. Well, duh, of course but what would soon follow would be the same axis pilot crying that all we do is.......what the proper P-38 pilot does to kill AND stay ALIVE!
Apparently, Levi and Nath flew for the Allies today, and they quite evidently showed what can be done if P-38 pilots fly according to organized, but aggressive tactics.
Was busy getting my arse handed to me time after time.
Granted, both Leviathan and Nath are exceptional pilots and not a good example of the norm, but usually good pilots bring a sort of "synergy" effect, which boosts the morale of average pilots and enable them to show their potential.
I've seen a lot of such potential from the lesser skilled P-38L pilots today - they came with alt advantage, but not with something like 5000~6000ft. They came in higher as needed, was organized, watched after each other's tail in a very responsive and prompt manner, and kept forcing the our N1Ks and Ki-61s down low. Promptly retreating back when odds weren't good, but not running straight to base. Luring few pilots into nicely set traps, and showing a classic example of "divid et imperi"
It seems like the P-38L pilots today, even the average ones, apparently knew a different way of "doing what they have to do to kill and stay alive", than yours.
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2nd time up in a P38 for me - got three Niki kills and landed them - stayed fast and high and fought on my terms, engage, kill or miss, disengage and reposition.
Then tried the Niki - was caught flopping around at zero feet trying to look four ways at once - got two kills - died each time in four runs....blech
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Levi and Nath flew for the Allies today, and they quite evidently showed what can be done if P-38 pilots fly according to organized, but aggressive tactics.
Yes, indeed, they most certainly did.
Paying close attention to how my posterior was being perforated, I said to myself, "heck with the numbers, I want to try one of those funny-looking airplanes that seem to be really good energy fighters."
No kills yet, but seems to me that this P-38 is a pretty clear example of Bullethead's paradigm of an energy fighter. Even I can see the potential. Will continue to work on it, unless numbers get way out of whack.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I can hardly be called an Axis pilot since the only fighter I fly is the P-38L but I stand behind my original post and totally agree with Kweassa's. There's more to flying the P-38 than just knowing how to BnZ in it. There's stuff like that you need to know that will let you out turn a Ki-61 or a N1K2 in a stall fight. Stuff like that the casual P-38 pilot won't know how to do.
ack-ack
Ack-ack's dead on here. There is virtually nothing the Ki-61 can do with the P-38 other than die, assuming the P-38 pilot knows how to use the Lightning. Dragging one into a stall fight is fun, and a major shock for the Ki-61 driver as his fighter wallows like a wounded whale, while the P-38 quite literally flies rings around it.
A few weeks ago, we took 26 members of the =Ghosts= to the DA where we split the squad into two groups, rotating between the Spitfire Mk.V and the P-38L. I spent a little while demonstrating how effective the P-38 can be, even stall fighting the Spits. After about an hour, the Spit guys were getting so badly abused that they began upping 262s to get a measure of revenge.
Within a week, the squad's MA P-38 stats were very impressive.
Turn off combat trim, and trim the nose down a bit to avoid fighting the stick at low speeds. Learn to use those powerful rudders to best effect (really enhances low-speed roll and prevents wing drop in sustained turning at very low speeds).
P-38s will stall and snap spin at higher speeds with combat trim on than with it off. Work in pairs. Niki's have weak tails, snap shots work well. Never take more than 50% fuel, especially in the CT. Spend an hour in the DA of TA, work with someone flying the Niki. Avoid mobs of enemy if you're alone.... Remember this, when Co-E the P-38L is a much better zoom climber than the N1K2, especially above 5k.
I'll try to get into the CT tomorrow (Monday) evening. I have Squad night in the MA tonight.
My regards,
Widewing
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"A P-38 can hold it's own against in a turn fight against the N1K2 provided the P-38 pilot keeps the fight above 300mph or below 150mph (stall fighting) and a P-38 can easily out turn a Ki-61."
Yes it can untill the "other" faster George comes in while the P-38 pilot is recovering from a good fight.
Grits did it to me. I was recovering from a low and slow fight when the "other" (Grits) George cam in and plastered me. Once the P-38 is slower than the George, there is no chance, no different than a P-38 trying to take off from a field and getting vulched. This is so true with most of these CT set-ups but at least the F6F would have a better chance of accelerating and matching the incomming faster axis fighters such as my incounter with Grits...BTW is only my second death in the P-38. Actually, I made home but rolled it due to Grits removing much needed parts to be able to land safely.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
"A P-38 can hold it's own against in a turn fight against the N1K2 provided the P-38 pilot keeps the fight above 300mph or below 150mph (stall fighting) and a P-38 can easily out turn a Ki-61."
Yes it can untill the "other" faster George comes in while the P-38 pilot is recovering from a good fight.
But that has nothing to do with this perceived unbalance you see in the current setup. Of course you will find another non-germain example in attempt to show this 'unbalance' with the current setup's plane set, so I'm not going to bother since it would be like talking to a brick wall. In your mind it's already set that there is a planeset unbalance and no matter how many tell you that there isn't, you'll still be beating that dead horse.
ack-ack
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"But that has nothing to do with this perceived unbalance you see in the current setup"
Yes it does, look at the stats. For game play its unbalanced. What do you not get through your thick skull? The CT is a Furball Arena and with that, it is unbalanced.
Look at the last set-up:
P-40E has 488 Kills of C.202
C.202 has 481 Kills of P-40E
For a furball arena, it was balanced, piss poor guns and all that the 202 has :)
P-40E has 365 Kills of Bf 109E-4
Bf 109E-4 has 278 Kills of P-40E
The 109 should rule the P-40E "if flow properly" but it was unbalanced and is way the "furballer" did not fly it per say, compared to the 202.
I am not trying to be like Brady and say all set ups need to "balanced". BUt what I am saying is that if its not balanced toward one side, then it shouldnt be balanced toward the other. Actualy I am glad to see this. I like being able to choose when I want to fight :)
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A guy coming in for the cherry pick while you are in a fight with another plane is hardly a game unbalance caused by the plane set. Like I said, trying to explain some of the most simple things with you is like talking to a brick wall, except the brick wall might be slightly more witty.
Learn to fly the P-38L and the N1K2/Ki-61 hordes won't be a problem. I don't see Leviathn, Nath, Shane having troubles and nor do I. In fact, this is a dream set up for those of us that are dedicated P-38 flyers. Gives a chance to show how over-rated the N1K2 is.
ack-ack
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I know how to fly the P-38. The brick wall issue...back at ya!
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Yep, been took a couple of sorties in there last night, smacking any N1K2 or Ki-61 that was foolish enough to engage.
Well, if I see you in there I'd like to wing up with you for a few sorties if you dont mind.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
I know how to fly the P-38.
Obviously you don't if you're whining about the plane set being unbalanced in the N1K2/Ki-61 favor. If anything, the P-38 is the plane that causes the unbalance because it is far superior to both of those Japanese planes.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Slash27
Yep, been took a couple of sorties in there last night, smacking any N1K2 or Ki-61 that was foolish enough to engage.
Well, if I see you in there I'd like to wing up with you for a few sorties if you dont mind.
Not at all, would enjoy having you on my wing again. I usually don't get home from work until after 9:30pm PST and at least for this week, can be found in the CT if there's anyone to fight in there.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Grits did it to me. I was recovering from a low and slow fight when the "other" (Grits) George cam in and plastered me.
I'm a cherrypicker in addition to being an habitual vulcher. :)
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
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Now that Curtishawk got his precious Seafire into the plane set, maybe he'll stop pouting and whining.
I guess my short lived time in the CT has come to a close. Why bother with it if the plane set is going to change when a few pout and whine?
ack-ack
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What happen maggi (oppppps) i meen hawk get his tail feathers burned now he wants another planset now?:D
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Never whined, simply stated a point based on facts.
I dont recall saying anything needed to be added or removed. Simply posted kill/death ratios. HOwever, I will say the spit has no place in this set-up.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
THIS IS NOT BALANCED!
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Thats not a whine
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Yeah, it was more of a shrill, hysterical cry then a whine.
Ack-Ack
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heheheh, ok
I am glad that I, a single person who you claim is whinning, has the power to get the CM to change something...give me a break!
OK ok ok ok, here ya go....Mr Fork, I demand that you remove the spit, remove the N1K2-J. Since the stats, that I have whined so much over, prove that the Ki-61 and P-38 are so much more ballanced.
The next time we have a PTO with the A6M5 and F4U-C1, I dont want the Zero pilots to be stupid and whine because they decide to fight...errr...chase......oh wait, maybe the F4U pilots will decide to turn fight the A6M5 just like the P-38 vs the George and then we can ...damnit, I mean I can whine in the FM2...
hehehe you guys crack me up!
Mr Fork, please remove the spit and remove nothing else nor add anything. I did not know I carried so much power.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
That is one of the reasons why I like limited plane choices of single plane type per country. It forces the player to try what they are not familiar with. Also, simulates a bit of the war-time reality, in that the pilots did not have choices as to what to fly - they fight with what they were given with. That's part of the fun in CT - if a bit of historicity limites your planes, you learn to fly with what you were given with.
I agree! I would love that, 'fly with what you were given' but most people want only their favourite plane, spoiled children that they are ;) Mediocre as I am, I love to switch planes and have been persistent in the ones I do poorly in.
The irony is that I've always done extremely poorly in the N1K2 and quite reasonable in the FM-2. The FM-2 is not perceived as a big threat, the N1K2 is. And while I'm ready to admit that the P-38 is a very good plane with few weaknesses, it is not my favourite ride.
So why don't you fly in the CT more I hear you say? Well, I live in Europe and when I log on there are usually about 6 people in the CT... all desperately trying to find each other I guess.
Only fun I ever had in the CT was when the MA was down, Zero popping in the F4F and abusing the A20 as a fighter in that set-up, great fun. Bit like flying a 262 in the MA ;)
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"I was recovering from a low and slow fight"
Exactly. You guys have no business doing that unless you are covered by a mate. Yet this example happens all the time.
In fact its the reason I keep saying all the stuff about the F4U-1 being so uber vs the Ki-61 is a load of crap. The Ki-61 just needs some alt on a lower F4U-1, and its the same result.
Well flown N1K2s will still do well, as they should, but carefull P-38s can prevail.
Btw I think we have seen enough proof in the stats that the so called "faster" planes dont dominate nearly as much as some folks say. Climb rate and acceleration play a part too, despite the "speed chart gurus" that keep banging the same tired note, and ignoring the CT results to suit their politics. According to them the A6M series would never score a kill vs anything.
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Originally posted by Grits
I'm a cherrypicker in addition to being an habitual vulcher. :)
there there....it's not like it's a bad thing
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
there there....it's not like it's a bad thing
I dont think its a bad thing, but it neutralizes the whines when I do it in the arena because I admit it freely. No point in hurling accusations of "cherrypicker" or "vulcher" at me when I will just say "Yup, I am." :)
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I seldom (nearly never) fly 38's. My first 6 engagements were a disaster 0 - 6. I enter level or from below and just did flat turns and got my clock cleaned. When back, looked at a couple of the films, read the flight info on 38's, read some of the tips on flying 38's and then went 11-1 for the next twelve engagements (that one loss was 1 v 3 and a N1K2 got a lucky hit on my tail boom). This plane completely outclasses either the N1K or the Ki61. I then tried IJN in the Ki61 - initially I was very successfull but as allied got more familiar that quickly changed. Against better than average 38 drivers, I was never able to kill them 1 on 1. The best I could manage was a draw. Could only win if I was with a competent wingman and we had numbers or luck. So I agree the P-38 needs no help. in fact IJN would be better off if 38 was withdrawn and replaced with seafires.
Phantom4
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
In fact, this is a dream set up for those of us that are dedicated P-38 flyers.
Roger that. I'm loving it. I'll be in the CT every night this week.
I think the disparity in numbers is probably due to the fact that the P38 is really, really hard to fly really, really well, and the average N1K pilot is better than the average P38 pilot.
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But allies have had the numbers for the most part, which makes no sense if you say its plane is harder to fly.
I for one, think the P38 is very easy to fly, easy to kill in and is completely dominant over the Ki61 and Niki.
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Why does that make no sense? Just because a plane is hard to fly doesn't mean people won't fly it.
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P-38L has 373 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 363 Kills of P-38L
Balanced Stats!
Simply an observation
Not a Whine!