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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Waffle on February 29, 2004, 04:15:19 AM
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Ok - now we have the inflight "computer" that will give you a mach readout......
I challenge one of you brave pilots to break the speed of sound.
To be a sucess:
You must film / record your attempt....
You must not loose control of you aircraft....
You must not die.
pls have the e6b up in view when recording film or take a screenshoot.
Best that I've done is Mach .83 - straight down in a fw190d9 :)
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Is the film viewer working?
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Nope
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So what you're really asking us to do, is to find a bug?
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nah - no bugs - just see if you can do it...lol
guess take sceenshots if film not working :)
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If flight modeling is correct it cant be done with WWIIprop driven aircraft.
Well if can but you cant retain control of the aircraft.
If memory serves correct it has something to do with the rear elevators.
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you guys missing the point....lol - how fast can you go???
guess we'll have to modify the rules....
how fast can a wingless lawndart go???
I want to see speeds posted..not "reasonable" thinking......lol
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
you guys missing the point....lol - how fast can you go???
guess we'll have to modify the rules....
how fast can a wingless lawndart go???
I want to see speeds posted..not "reasonable" thinking......lol
Ok you only need to get rid of two rules
Loosing control of aircraft,
And dieing.
Well you could always bail I suppose
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Just take a p40... you can do it..
unless: they fixed it...
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well i tried and only hit .8 but i lived!
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Woohoo! Mach 1.01!
Procedure:
1. Start 262 on auto climb
2. Take a nice shower
3. 262 is now at 34k
4. Nose straight down at full throttle
5. Smack alt-s when the time is right and idle the throttle
6. Carefully use elevator trim to recover from dive
(http://www.bops.us/spork42/mach1.jpg)
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if anyone actually broke the sound barrier in WW2 it was most likely a German pilot in the Me262.
It would be interesting if the modern replicas could be used to validate the pilot's claim.
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WWII planes CAN (and could) do mach one (though only in a dive) this was demonstrated in several post war (but with WWII planes) airshows in which pilots would break the speed of sound to show off.
jstcruising
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So the extreme buffetting and loss of control the X-1 experienced was because it's design and the prop jobs had a better design? Not sure how a WWII aircraft could accomplish this. Do you have any references to this I'd like to read up on it?
A prop job going from subsonic through transonic to supersonic just seems a bit odd to me. Especially considering the X-1 had to adjust improperly placed horizontal stabilators to overcome the extreme buffetting experienced in the transonic and super sonic speeds. Can a prop even withstand the oblique shock waves it'd be put under in such circumstances?
Oh and if WWII prop jobs could accomplish this we need to start rewriting the aviation history books as to who and what aircraft broke the sound barrier first. :D
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Prop planes cannot break the sound barrier. The faster you go the less thrust you get fropm the prop and the more drag. When diving props get to the point where the propellor is effectively a big airbrake on the front of the aircraft.
The only things that could, conceivably, have done it in WWII are the Me262, Me163, He162, Meteor Mk III, P-80 or the MXY-7 Ohka "Baka".
Personally, if it was done, I'd put my money on the Me262.
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I've have some papers on the 262 possibly breaking the sound barrier in..will look them up / scan em and post them. Might be somewhere in a pilots report from captured 262s in 1945
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I used the .wind command to climb to 40,000ft.
With the Spitfire Mk XIV I reached mach 0.85 and pulled out safely at 6,000ft.
With the Mosquito Mk VI I reached mach 0.94 and pulled out safely at 4,000ft.
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What Karnak said. NO plane with a prop can go beyond the speed of sound. The prop works both as thrust but also as an airbrake, once you reach a certain speed it stops working as thrust and only works as an airbrake. Anything anyone might have heard about P47 pilots or Spit pilots going faster then sound is pure BS an nothing else.
As for the 262, there is a nice homepage on the internet somewhere, I have lost the link to it. Tells the story of a 262 pilot who most likely broke the sound barrier and lived to tell the tail.
Anybody have the link?
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wilbus, I dont think anybody is talking about a prop plane pulling itself to mach speeds.
So far, it looks like the props in a dive are not doing it.
Anybody try the yaku yet?
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WWII planes CAN (and could) do mach one (though only in a dive) this was demonstrated in several post war (but with WWII planes) airshows in which pilots would break the speed of sound to show off. jstcruising
This was what I was refering to ergRTC :)
No, they don't do it in AH.
I see that the 262 was brought up to mach 1.01, weird that it didn't go any faster, once the sound barrier is broken the buffeting should end and the acceleration should increase again, it's that transonic part which killed airplanes.
It's belived that quite a few 262's actually broke the sound barrier in WW2 but almost all crashed due to it. The problem they had was that they passed into supersonic too slow, the plane stayed in the transonic stage too long and the plane would shake to pieces as it wasn't built for this. Once the barrier is broken the air becomes smooth around the plane again. This is also what the X# pilots described when they said their controlls locked up near Mach 1.
The 262 story on the internet about a 262 going through mach 1 was with the words of a 262 pilot. He was at 35k feet when it made a split S, before he had time to undrestand what happaned the plane started shaking violently and just a couple of seconds later he described it as being totally calm again, no buffeting, no shaking. The reason he survived was almost certainly that (if the story is infact true) he passed the transonic part quick enough for the plane to stay in one piece.
After the landed, the 262 was written off and it never flew again, he described it as being bent and twisted.
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Found them!!
One of the links here (http://mach1.luftarchiv.de/mach1.htm).
And the story of Hans Guido Mutke (http://mach1.luftarchiv.de/first_flg.htm).
Bonus (http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/Chelain69-71.html)
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And the link to the front page here (http://mach1.luftarchiv.de/)
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Originally posted by Wilbus
This was what I was refering to ergRTC :)
No, they don't do it in AH.
I see that the 262 was brought up to mach 1.01, weird that it didn't go any faster, once the sound barrier is broken the buffeting should end and the acceleration should increase again, it's that transonic part which killed airplanes.
Given the subject matter of AH I doubt that it has a supersonic flight model and simply (and reasonably) assumes that no supersonic flight will occur within the parameters of the game.
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Yeah, I'm sure HTC didn't bother modelling the nonlinearities of the flight dynamics at the sound barrier. They probably just made the buffeting get worse and worse the faster you get, never expecting people to break Mach 1.