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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weaselsan on February 29, 2004, 02:19:24 PM
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According to the news release, they fear right wing anti-semitism
But I believe they fear more Muslim anti-semitism.
It used to be said that anti-Catholicism was the anti-Semitism of the intellectuals. Today, anti-Semitism is the anti-Semitism of the intellectuals.
Not all intellectuals, of course. And the seepage of this ancient poison into the intelligentsia -- always so militantly modern -- is much more pronounced in Europe than here. But as anti-Semitism migrates across the political spectrum from right to left, it infects the intelligentsia, which has leaned left for two centuries.
Here the term intellectual is used loosely, to denote not only people who think about ideas -- about thinking -- but also people who think they do. The term anti-Semitism is used precisely, to denote people who dislike Jews. These people include those who say: We do not dislike Jews, we only dislike Zionists -- although to live in Israel is to endorse the Zionist enterprise, and all Jews are implicated, as sympathizers, in the crime that is Israel
Wednesday's release of Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ" has catalyzed fears of resurgent anti-Semitism. Some critics say the movie portrays the governor of Judea -- Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect responsible for the crucifixion -- as more benign and less in control than he actually was, and ascribes too much power and malignity to Jerusalem's Jewish elite.
Fears about the movie exacerbating religiously motivated anti-Semitism are missing the larger menace -- the upsurge of political anti-Semitism. Like traditional anti-Semitism, but with secular sources and motives, the political version, which condemns Jews as a social element, is becoming mainstream, and chic among political and cultural elites, mostly in Europe. Consider:
-- A cartoon in a mainstream Italian newspaper depicts the infant Jesus in a manger, menaced by an Israeli tank and saying "Don't tell me they want to kill me again." This expresses animus against Israel rather than twisted Christian zeal.
-- The European Union has suppressed a study it commissioned, because the study blamed the upsurge in anti-Jewish acts on European Muslims -- and the European left.
-- An EU poll reveals that a European majority believes the greatest threat to world peace is Israel.
-- Nineteen percent of Germans believe what a best-selling German book asserts: the CIA and Israel's Mossad organized the Sept. 11 attacks.
-- On French television, a comedian wearing a Jewish skullcap gives a Nazi salute while yelling "Isra-Heil!"
-- If Israel is not the Great Satan, it is allied with him -- America. European anti-American demonstrations often include Israel's blue and while flag with a swastika replacing the star of David, and signs perpetuating the myth, concocted by Palestinians and cooperative Western journalists, of an Israeli massacre in Jenin: "1943: Warsaw / 2002: Jenin."
-- Omer Bartov, historian at Brown University, writes in The New Republic that much of what Hitler said "can be found today in innumerable places: on Internet sites, propaganda brochures, political speeches, protest placards, academic publications, religious sermons, you name it."
The appallingly brief eclipse of anti-Semitism after Auschwitz demonstrates how beguiling is the simplicity of pure stupidity. All of the left's prescriptions for curing what ails society -- socialism, communism, psychoanalysis, "progressive" education, etc. -- have been discarded, so now the left is reduced to adapting that hardy perennial of the right, anti-Semitism.
This is a new twist to the left's recipe for salvation through elimination: All will be well if we eliminate capitalists, or private property, or the ruling class, or "special interests," or neuroses, or inhibitions. Now, let's try eliminating a people, starting with their nation, which is obnoxiously pro-American and insufferably Spartan.
Europe's susceptibility to political lunacy, and the Arab world's addiction to it, is not news. And the paranoid style is a political constant. Those who believe a vast conspiracy assassinated President Kennedy say: Proof of the conspiracy's diabolical subtlety is that no evidence of it remains. Today's anti-Semites say: Proof of the Jews' potent menace is that there are so few of them -- just 13 million of the planet's 6 billion people -- yet they cause so many political, economic and cultural ills.
Gosh. Imagine if they were, say, 1 percent of Earth's population -- 63 million.
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That's because france is a muslim state.
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the french govt. haven't "censored" the passion...
they can't find a distributor for the film because most theatres want to gauge its reception elsewhere in Europe first...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
the french govt. haven't "censored" the passion...
they can't find a distributor for the film because most theatres want to gauge its reception elsewhere in Europe first...
Tronsky
So the French are timid even with films? :aok
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that was a nice and informed reading.
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any links for your lies this time weasel?
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Originally posted by -tronski-
the french govt. haven't "censored" the passion...
they can't find a distributor for the film because most theatres want to gauge its reception elsewhere in Europe first...
Tronsky
Gauge it's reception????...It's grossed 117 Million worldwide in 4 days.....DOH!!!!
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
any links for your lies this time weasel?
I would never give you a link on daily news reports Froggie....It might do you some good to pay attention.
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Keep digging, I'm sure you can make a mountain out this molehill somehow!
:aok
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Gauge it's reception????...It's grossed 117 Million worldwide in 4 days.....DOH!!!!
hmm...Mel may not make it with out the French's 30.00 that the 5 french (which are prolly US citizens visiting France) spend to see it. I'm sure Mr. Gibson is real "Broke" up about it.....If it was even true.
France don't support anything they cant have a piece of. I.E. War in IRAQ until its time to rebuild and they want to make some money.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Keep digging, I'm sure you can make a mountain out this molehill somehow!
:aok
I don't have to dig any farther than the API wire service.
The same Service that told me the Canadian Military was broke.
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the question is why you never post links. I can only assume your plagorising something. Its never a good idea to post an article and not at least copy and past a link or tell the reader who wrote it.
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"I don't have to dig any farther than the API wire service.
The same Service that told me the Canadian Military was broke."
Excellant form! When all else fails go with the strawman/insult combo! :aok
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
the question is why you never post links. I can only assume your plagorising something. Its never a good idea to post an article and not at least copy and past a link or tell the reader who wrote it.
Who wrote an API wire service story??? It doesn't say...Have you ever read one....They say API....DOH.
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As far as i can tell you just pull this stuff off of crazy emails. If you dont link a story it dosnt exsist. In fact when you dont quote your source you commiting plagorism.
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This article was posted in one of the right nut magazines, frontpagemag or something as silly.
Oh yeah, and i'm pretty sure you are breaking the copyright law by reproducing it without giving credit.
And no, it ain't API. They do news, not slander.
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Dood are you for real....The No passion in France story is all over T.V. Radio and the Internet...It is on API...UPI...and my grandma's apple Pie and you want a frinking link or it don't exist. spare me.
If you don't like reading an opinion or don't believe it don't read it .
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skuzzy you really should make sure weasel posts links with his articles so you guys dont get in trouble for breaking copyright laws.
and if its on the AP then just post a link. Its not hard.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Dood are you for real....The No passion in France story is all over T.V. Radio and the Internet...It is on API...UPI...and my grandma's apple Pie and you want a frinking link or it don't exist. spare me.
If you don't like reading an opinion or don't believe it don't read it .
:http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-passion29.html
This is from a newspaper in a city called Chicago can you say CHICAGO
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see now that wasnt too hard. I hate to call you a liar, but that is an article from the sunday telegraph not the AP wire.
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article you quoted came from here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3561-2004Feb24.html
next time give a credit to an author.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
see now that wasnt too hard. I hate to call you a liar, but that is an article from the sunday telegraph not the AP wire.
What planet do you live on that only has One story per Newspaper. Would it be to difficult to understand that the way they receive these stories is through something called wire services. Such as UPI (United Press International) API (Associated Press International). You can subscribe, for a small fee, like I do and get all the API and UPI stories that are on the wire. You see newspapers pick and choose what they want to print, this way I get all the stories and decide for myself. Incidently I was a Chief Editor for Stars And Stripes. Don't believe me, Who gives a S___.
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Originally posted by fd ski
article you quoted came from here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3561-2004Feb24.html
next time give a credit to an author.
LOL...you people can't be for real. I quoted nothing, I only remarked about the news story. Look at the first two lines of the post. I have only made an Opinion. OMG this story is in two major Newspapers...who is breaking whos copyright. lol
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Originally posted by Thrawn
"I don't have to dig any farther than the API wire service.
The same Service that told me the Canadian Military was broke."
Excellant form! When all else fails go with the strawman/insult combo! :aok
In what way do you equate two simple factual statements an Insult? I Took your remark as an insult on what I find Important.
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Originally posted by -tronski-
the french govt. haven't "censored" the passion...
they can't find a distributor for the film because most theatres want to gauge its reception elsewhere in Europe first...
Tronsky
OH. brother.... Please post where I said the French Government anywhere. I said France because that is where they will not show the movie. If it was Hoboken I would have mentioned them.
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You're not fooling anyone, but keep on digging! There must be a point in there somewhere! :aok
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Originally posted by Thrawn
You're not fooling anyone, but keep on digging! There must be a point in there somewhere! :aok
LOL...well I wouldn't be able to sleep nights if I thought I was fooling you.
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I didn't think so. ;)
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Europe's susceptibility to political lunacy, and the Arab world's addiction to it, is not news.
Umm isn't that rather anti-semitic of you?
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Originally posted by weaselsan
OH. brother.... Please post where I said the French Government anywhere. I said France because that is where they will not show the movie. If it was Hoboken I would have mentioned them.
Your title deliberately implied France as a whole had censored the passion.
I was merely pointing out the fact (you should look that word up) it wasn't french policy that this movie be banned for exhibition.
Perhaps your trolling should be a little more specific...
Tronsky
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Rush to the defense of france!! All left winger rush to the defense of france!!!
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this is what its like to have a little mind.....
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Rush to the defense of france!! All left winger rush to the defense of france!!!
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Originally posted by SLO
this is what its like to have a little mind.....
No, this is what its like to prove my point. Is an instinct or a reflex?
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In what way do you equate two simple factual statements an Insult? I Took your remark as an insult on what I find Important.
Is Weaselsan in fact no other than our resident master-of-disguise, Mr.Black?
Mid-sentence capitization is suspiciously familiar.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Is Weaselsan in fact no other than our resident master-of-disguise, Mr.Black?
Mid-sentence capitization is suspiciously familiar.
Hmmm good catch. But only some 200 posts in nearly two years? Could he do it?
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Probably not. It would be a very deep undercover, sleeper persona. Far too subtle. But what is with the capitalization? Is it catching?
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It saddens me that saintaw will never get to see this movie because of censurship.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
skuzzy you really should make sure weasel posts links with his articles so you guys dont get in trouble for breaking copyright laws.
and if its on the AP then just post a link. Its not hard.
Here ya go whiney boy
PARIS, Feb. 29 (UPI) -- Cinema chains in France have refused to distribute Mel Gibson's film "The Passion of The Christ" for fears that it will spark a new wave of anti-Semitism.
France is the only European country where there is still no distribution deal for the film of the last 12 hours of Jesus Christ, the Daily Telegraph reported Sunday. The movie is scheduled to open in Europe next month.
"We don't want to be on the side of those who support such anti-Semitism. When we distributed 'It's a Beautiful Life' we were worried about the risk of making a comedy about the Holocaust, but that was different," a veteran film industry figure told the Telegraph.
"There's enough anti-Semitic stuff circulating here already without us throwing oil on the fire."
Fire-bombings of synagogues and Jewish schools and attacks on rabbis have occurred over the past year.
Celebrated director Luc Besson is the only significant figure in the French film industry interested in screening the film in his country, according to the Telegraph.
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I'll just go to an underground threater to see provided I can avoid the Gestapo night patrol and escape my ultimate fate.
I'm so sad poor little Mel wo'n tmake a lot of money here, it make me almost cry :p
I wonder if it's credible enought for mr WeaselSan ...
And there is nothing related with anti-semitism,it's just a business decision look who own Gaumont or UGC(*) for example they avoid bad business in general.
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Originally posted by straffo
I'll just go to an underground threater to see provided I can avoid the Gestapo night patrol and escape my ultimate fate.
I'm so sad poor little Mel wo'n tmake a lot of money here, it make me almost cry :p
I wonder if it's credible enought for mr WeaselSan ...
And there is nothing related with anti-semitism,it's just a business decision look who own Gaumont or UGC(*) for example they avoid bad business in general.
First ol Mel will make a 100 million dollar profit in 4 days, I doubt if he will notice. And it is related to Anti- Semitism....that is why it is not being shown.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
I would never give you a link on daily news reports Froggie....It might do you some good to pay attention.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I disagree I don't see any anti-semitism here it's only in the interpretation of some people.
France is not as religious as it used to be in the past, more and more often the French don't care of the opinion/directives of the church.
Gibson represent one trend of the roman catholiscism who had (and still have) an hard time in France the remaining christian won't give a € to him.
Btw why the thread tittle is : " France censors The Passion....." ?
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- it's not a choice made by the governement/politics
- there no more censor comity in France
- no organisation of any kind started riots against the film
- at least 50% of the whole French population don't speak araméen (notice I'm pretty prudent here :))
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So why is it "France who censor" ?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Rush to the defense of france!! All left winger rush to the defense of france!!!
keep on going grunherz, we all know you hate the french and you repeat it until it actually seems boring and plain dumb :)
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I can't stay out of this nonsense anymore....
FYI Weasel, Spielberg's Schindler's List was a huge hit in France, acclaimed both by the public and the critic.
But it was a historic movie. This one isn't. It is based upon the religious beliefs of the viewers.
You're christian? Fine with me. You liked this movie? Good for you. Open your mind and accept that most people this side of the pond don't get all excited about it. Catholics in Belgium and France are mostly much 'quieter' than in the States. For instance, hysterical predicators yelling and dancing on stage would have a near zero audience here. I'm not saying that the faith is weaker (I am badly 'equipped' to speak for them), but IMO due to culture differences you and them live their faith differently.
I think that Gibson will make a flop here. Because the public won't follow. So why should the distributors risk problems with a film about religion (as it usually happens with this kind of movies: I remember wackos setting theatres on fire in france during 'The Last Temptation of Christ'...) when they are pretty sure that the profit would be almost nil? If they were smelling gold, they would run the risk, you can be sure of that...
So stop waving the antisemitism banner as an insult and climb down from your soapbox...
Oops I forgot: Luc Besson is a totally crappy director btw. I guess that he is looking more for the press focus than for anything else....
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For those of you who still insist that the reason it is not being shown in France is for business reasons. Please read the following sentence very carefully.....You will notice that the news article ( not my opinion) but the article itself clearly states the following.....
PARIS, Feb. 29 (UPI) -- Cinema chains in France have refused to distribute Mel Gibson's film "The Passion of The Christ"
For fears it will spark a new wave of anti-semitism.
Now if these are lies please address them to the UPI..I did not write the article.
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Originally posted by -dead-
Umm isn't that rather anti-semitic of you?
Europe's susceptibility to political lunacy, and the Arab world's addiction to it, is not news.
If you can find something anti-semetic in that statement, please point it out........
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Bud your fighting an uphill battle....They are not going to..or don't want to..or simply just like making remarks to you. I got what the first post was..meant..whatever....
Let it go man...your going to get High Blood pressure:)
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Originally posted by VFJACKAL
Bud your fighting an uphill battle....They are not going to..or don't want to..or simply just like making remarks to you. I got what the first post was..meant..whatever....
Let it go man...your going to get High Blood pressure:)
LOL....Thanks but the blood pressure is fine. I was finding it fun. It really did amaze me though, at some of the knee jerk responses to a simple news article and commentary.
:aok
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You are mistaken airguard, I love the french.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
For those of you who still insist that the reason it is not being shown in France is for business reasons. Please read the following sentence very carefully.....You will notice that the news article ( not my opinion) but the article itself clearly states the following.....
PARIS, Feb. 29 (UPI) -- Cinema chains in France have refused to distribute Mel Gibson's film "The Passion of The Christ"
For fears it will spark a new wave of anti-semitism.
Now if these are lies please address them to the UPI..I did not write the article.
Ok it's not your opinion.
But it won't change it nothing except an opinion and IMO a pretty uninformed one.
GRUN please don't send your left wing we have enought right wing here :D
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Originally posted by straffo
Ok it's not your opinion.
But it won't change it nothing except an opinion and IMO a pretty uninformed one.
GRUN please don't send your left wing we have enought right wing here :D
HUH??????
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What do you don't understand ?
Our right wing is a bit left of your left wing ...
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Originally posted by straffo
What do you don't understand ?
Our right wing is a bit left of your left wing ...
O.K. Let me see......Your right wing is left of your right wing....No...your left and right wing is right of your left.... what is the right wing? If it is left of your left wing?????:eek:
Who's on second...?
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Originally posted by weaselsan
O.K. Let me see......Your right wing is left of your right wing....No...your left and right wing is right of your left.... what is the right wing? If it is left of your left wing?????:eek:
Who's on second...?
eeekk now I've not any single braincell left :)
Simply it's just our whole political spectrum which more on the left than your
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Originally posted by straffo
eeekk now I've not any single braincell left :)
Simply it's just our whole political spectrum which more on the left than your
Butt nuggets and cling-ons.... that's about sums up "the Passion" 's contribution to the world of thelogy, human kind, and the contents of my septic system.
Deep Throat and the Devil in Mrs. Jones had more to say than that violent self abusing PoS Movie.
And that's my unbiased opinion.
The Poop!
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Really...who cares if they show the damn movie in France or not..frankly I don't know why anyone would care about the opinion of an insignifigant country like that anyway..they've proven time and again that they are a joke when it comes to their military, and they oppose everything that America does just because they think we are loud and obnoxious. Can France really have much of a say in world politics..not really..when they disagree, we just do what we want anyway. SO WHO CARES:D
As far as anti-semitism goes....frankly I'm tired of minorities and the fact they are just too damn sensitive. Everyone has the right not to like someone..and at least until the 80's and 90's in this country, you had the right to voice that opinion (until all the minorities pressed the powers that be to tell us we can't say things about other people) So Mel made a movie that is based on a book. A book that is widely belived to be fact (not neccessarily my opinion) Therefore if the movie is based on a factual account, then the Jews did push the Roman govenor into killing the savior, and you can't blame Christians for being a little put out by that. You really don't hear too much complaints about anti-christians or anti-white...but ohh for the love of God..don't offend the Jews! or better yet don't offend black...or even better don't offend a black jew. It just makes me sick...Religious beliefs should not account for anything in politics especially on the world stage. Aren't we Americans supposed to be Americans above all else reguardless of race religion and creed?I think it's time for us (Americans) and the rest of you ********s in the rest of the world to grow up.
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but if the jews didnt kill jesus then how could the christians become saved. Christians should be thanking the romans and the jews.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
but if the jews didnt kill jesus then how could the christians become saved. Christians should be thanking the romans and the jews.
Stay out of this Froggie...this is for grownups.
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Im sorry, i guess asking questions about the contridictions in your religion make me a child. Thats cool. You cannot answer them so i guess thats cool as well.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
but if the jews didnt kill jesus then how could the christians become saved. Christians should be thanking the romans and the jews.
To put it into terms that will be easy to understand and without having to go thru the bible to get there.....
Jesus' death was going to happen from the time he was born. That's one of the reasons he was born. It's all a matter of when and who was going to do it.
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What is wrong with some of you people? Stupid hippies using some weird thing called 'common sense'?
I hate those stupid liberals when they try to treat the French like people. How dare they!