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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mister Fork on February 29, 2004, 07:21:36 PM
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The operations building consists of an old colonial house built in 1896. It’s white washed fence, and roman-style columns are showing signs of its tattered care since the Americans left it in December1941. The busyness of the interior of the house is buzzing with officers and communications equipment.
Lieutenant Jenny Douglas walks into it operations room. The hot weather is making her kaki uniform stick to her and the latest printout from the teletype is already feeling sticky in her hands. At 22 years old Yale student , she's one of the few women officers serving overseas but as the General's and for the first time in a long time, is very glad to be wearing a skirt instead of pants. Her tall and athletic figure with brunette/dark blonde hair puts her at 6 feet even, intimidating to all women, challenging to most men.
Sitting at the ops desk, Major Stan Bailey winks at Jenny. For the CO of the Black Sheep, it’s been a rough week. First, his squadron’s aircraft were lost on the Franklin. Second, he’s lost handfuls of P-38’s against the NIK-2 with no Navy support. He asked for F6F’s from Nimitz but was refused because of the new Kamikaze attacks – he can spare no fighters.
“Message for you Winky. It’s from Mountbatten.”
“Thanks Jen.” Bailey reads down through the message, briefly glimpsing over the sheet to take another look at Jenny as she looks over her right shoulder, and winks back.
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To: General MacArthur/CO Allied Group
Fm: Admiral Lord Mountbatten
Subject: Request for air support
Greetings Douglas. Hear you’re having a rough spot with the Japs on the islands. Glad to help you out in this stressful time. I have sent a dispatch to Air Chief Marshal Sir Richard Peirse. He’s got SeaFires for you sitting on a carrier on it’s way to Malaysia but the squad’s a bit green and would like a little action before Operation Zipper. God Save The King.
MB
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A big smile forms on Baileys face – maybe he ‘will’ finally ask Jenny out tonight to the movie-tent they put up yesterday.
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guess it was just when i was in there but the allies always had the numbers and when outnumbered the japs died - easliy
I didn't think the p38 jocks needed help - at least not what I saw
add a spit and you won't get any jap drivers ...
what's on the plate for Friday?
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Originally posted by Eagler
guess it was just when i was in there but the allies always had the numbers and when outnumbered the japs died - easliy
I didn't think the p38 jocks needed help - at least not what I saw
I agree with Storch and Eagler on this one, the P-38's dont need help.
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They're adding the Seafire to this week's current plane set? Why? Just because a few whine and pout about some 'plane unbalance' you guys give in and break out the Dweebfire? Here's a clue, it's not a plane unbalance that is effecting the current setup, it's more like a pilot unbalance, that is pilots that don't know what they're doing trying to fly a plane that is probably above their abilities.
I guess CurtissP-6EHawk's threat of holding his breath until he turned blue scared you guys into doing something this lame.
ack-ack
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This is such a joke. "America gets help"???.....shoulda titled this thread "Allied whiners get their way again". And the funniest thing of it all is the 38 is superior to the N1K and ki61. Might as well give them all the blue planes as well.
Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. Shame on you Fork.
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Unbelivably stupid. The no skill dweebs who cant fly the P38 have won over reason.
Lets see what this means for a seconmd.
The P38 is allready 30mph faster than the niki and can actully turn with the niki as well.
Now you add another plane thats justa s fast as the niki and actually outurns it..
And this is from a guy who has flown allies most of the ime in this setup - its simply idiotic....
IDIOTIC
IDIOTIC
YOU ARE IDIOTS
AND THE DECISION YOU HAVE MADE
IS IDIOTIC
FIX IT NOW!
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Ditto.
The 38s didnt need any help. Guys when you start adding planes in mid stream it just makes the mood worse in the arena. The level headed guys being pissed is bad enough, but the idiots that constantly whine go apechit.
You end up spending half your time squelching the complainers, just so you can enjoy flying.
I rarely agree with Storch, but he's got a point, you didnt just add a plane you added a Spitfire. Don't know the reason, but there could have been a USN/USMC fighter, or the P-47 included at the start. Personally I thought this was a good setup. Adding any version of the Spit mid tour to a Phillipenes scenario is just asking for trouble.:(
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Bad move. The P-38 vs. N1K2/Ki-61 was a classic matchup that attracted me to the CT this week. The P-38 already performs quite well against the Japanese planes, and if you throw a Seafire into the mix you're going to completely throw off the balance. Not only would Allies enjoy a faster, better vertical performing, better zoom climbing, torqueless, and decently turning plane, but now they would also wield a substantial turnfighting advantage as well.
In other words, an already well-balanced planeset has now been replaced by one overwhelmingly favoring the Allies in all facets.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Remember-- All the Allied Pilots in all of AH can't change the CT setup, only the CT staff can. Vent your anger in the right direction. A very bad move by Fork in my opinion, yet in many ways not very surprising.
Vote Bug:aok
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The Lockheed P-38 was the best USAAF fighter in WWII at PTO and might well the best in AH also. The P-38 is the best of them all and heck, USAAF got the highest kills in PTO (Dick Bong with 40 kills). Well, Im going say that P-38 did had some help(not FAA nor RNZAF) from USN/USMC to help bombing run and I have picture but I would not rather post here.
I believe Mister Fork will screw up if he added another aircraft.
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To: General MacArthur/CO Allied Group
Fm: Admiral Lord Mountbatten
Subject: Request for air support
Greetings Douglas. Hear you’re having a rough spot with the Japs on the islands. Glad to help you out in this stressful time. I have sent a dispatch to Air Chief Marshal Sir Richard Peirse. He’s got SeaFires for you sitting on a carrier on it’s way to Malaysia but the squad’s a bit green and would like a little action before Operation Zipper. God Save The King.
MB
In other words WHAAA WHAAA THE JAPS ARE SHOOTTING DOWN ALLIED PLANES ,WE NEED MORE OF AN UPPER HAND,CAN WE HAVE A BIGGER CHIOCE OF PLANES?
Now when the tables are turned you don't see anyone adding any axsis planes... WELL DO YOU ?:rolleyes:
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Fork, I appreciate all your effort, however in the long run this is going to hurt the CT. Even if you had adding a second Allied aircraft planned from the start, its going to be perceived as catering to the "Allies". We have enough whining and crying about Allied advantages as it is and we are going to be hearing about this forever. Im also in agreement that the Allies do not need another aircraft and especially the Spit. Let the 1 or 2 guys that dont like the '38 suck it up or go fly the George. Its a damn fine ride that gets overlooked in the CT. We are attracting some of the best sticks from the MA to our little sandbox, lets not run them off. Get rid of the Spit and lets finish your set up thats far from broke.
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Funny thing Slash, the good sticks from the MA dont bother with the Seafire because they know the 38 is far better. The Seafire should still go ASAP.
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wow, loose the spit!
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booooo!!! poor form!!!!!
bad show!
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Even though I like to see the carriers finally makeing a "belated" apperance I am afraid I find myself in agreeance with the mob.
Think it would have been better to add the FM-2 or Hellcat.
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As yet another Allied pilot that was quite happy with the 38, I vote that the planeset be returned to its original setup. No need to add a spit to "balance" anything, and even if there was a need it certainly wouldn't be worth the complaining.
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Originally posted by Grits
Funny thing Slash, the good sticks from the MA dont bother with the Seafire because they know the 38 is far better. The Seafire should still go ASAP.
But we see this 'catering' to the whiners and we leave. It's bad enough the CT team rarely includes a P-38 in the plane set and then they pull this stunt. Bad form.
ack-ack
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I'm gonna fly that damned pee dirty ape anyhow. I thoroughly detest that AAC plane but I'm committed.
Must ...... resist ...... Spi .... errr ..... Seafire. Must ..... resist .....
OfF We go ..... into The w ild blue yonder ..... flying high ..... inTo the Sun.
Nuthin can Stop the Arby Air Core.
(Damn you MrBlack)
Smithers! Take a letter!
Dear, General Mac and Lawd Mounty. Thanks but no thanks.
Regards,
The Navy branch of the Arby Air Core
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I cant beleive this either.
The P-38L is an absolutely great fighter, it needs NO help.
Stop TBing like a bunch of MA n00bs and learn to fly it for cripes sakes.
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Originally posted by Grits
I agree with Storch and Eagler on this one, the P-38's dont need help.
Rgr that, the 38 rocks and whimping out when there is finally a chance to feature it is poor form indeed gents.
If anything, a mixed bag setup of Ki-61 and Zeke 5 vs The FM2 and 38 makes more sense. That way both sides have planes that can turn and burn.
Sakai
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Not that it's necessary, here's one more.
Bad move, Fork.
Splash1
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Well i guess the decision to add the Seafire is universally condemmed, and quite rightly too i might add, I think the majority of CT regulars will leave it in the hanger.
Just to make it clear.....
WE DONT NEED NO SEAFIRE!!
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Originally posted by Squire
I cant beleive this either.
The P-38L is an absolutely great fighter, it needs NO help.
Stop TBing like a bunch of MA n00bs and learn to fly it for cripes sakes.
Here's a hint...if you can out turn a Ki-61 or a N1K2 in a P-38, you're not a MA n00b. There's far more to the P-38 than just BnZ or other E fighting tactics.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Here's a hint...if you can out turn a Ki-61 or a N1K2 in a P-38, you're not a MA n00b. There's far more to the P-38 than just BnZ or other E fighting tactics.
ack-ack
Guys who use flaps and rudders and control tehir throttles seem to eat up teh jap planes in turn fights, especially those who now how to maneuver within a certain height above the turn raidus, know what I mean?
Sakai
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It has nothing to do with having the flaps mapped to a stick or a throttle. That just a convenience factor and doesn't give one the edge. It's knowing when to use the flaps, in conjuction to the throttle and rudders that is the key, not how you have them mapped.
ack-ack
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I dont think Sakai meant you have to have them mapped a certain way, I think he is saying the same thing as you, those that *use* their flaps, rudder, and the throttle properly in the Pee-terd-he-ate tend to kill the enemy quickly.
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My mistake, read his post wrong and got the impression he was talking about them being mapped to the stick. Sorry Sakai
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
My mistake, read his post wrong and got the impression he was talking about them being mapped to the stick. Sorry Sakai
ack-ack
Reet. Just that with some of our setups, guys yank and bank at full throttle and piss all out whereas with a few planes, close attention to yer bird is hyper critical. The P-38 is so intriguing I may just dedicate some time in teh MA in it.
In the Pacific, pilots talked about "slip turning" in the 38. You know?
Sakai
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Originally posted by Sakai
In the Pacific, pilots talked about "slip turning" in the 38. You know?
Sakai
Using the engines to flat turn?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Using the engines to flat turn?
ack-ack
Over accelerating?
Sakai
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I thought slip turning was in reference to using the engines to yaw the plane into a flat turn.
ack-ack
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a slip turn is nothing more than using rudder (usually opposite)...
remember the AW "bat-turn"? that would be a prime example of a slip-turn.
below are 2 definitions that basically sum it up, altho' there can be more elaborate types. the one i'd use mostly in AH would be when going vertical, using opposite rudder in conjunction with elevator input to basically rotate around an axis losing speed very rapidly.
The Skid
A Skid (sometimes called a "slip") is a lateral slide to the left or right with very little loss of altitude or change in air speed. It is commonly used to foil the aim of an attacker who is parked on your "six" and getting ready to fire upon you. When performed correctly, your plane will bank slightly and slip laterally out of your attacker's line of fire giving you an opportunity to perform another evasive BFM.
Start the maneuver by dipping one wing and applying opposite rudder. The aircraft will skid in the direction of the dipped wing. The entire move should last only about one or two seconds and should be immediately followed by another move such as a Break Turn or Barrel Roll. Like in the Defensive Spiral, the secret to the Skid is surprise. You want to dip the wing and Skid in the flicker of an eye so the attacker is caught off guard. Take advantage of his surprise and be out of Dodge before he can recover.
Slip-Turn
The slip-turn is a flat turn performed exclusively with the rudder. Unlike a normal banked turn, the slip-turn uses no ailerons.
Most aircraft cannot perform an effective slip-turn. However, the Fokker Triplane did not have a vertical stabilizer, and could yaw very quickly with hard rudder applied. Although the Triplane would slip during the turn, losing a great deal of speed, it could reverse direction in about half the time of other fighters performing a normal turn. To execute an effective slip-turn, don't bank your aircraft's wings.