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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on March 01, 2004, 10:24:22 AM
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Yea. I know, you guys don't care. But if you missed the introductory film you missed a few really good laughs. Michael Moore squashed by an Oliphant while screaming about the "unjustness of this war" was the topper for me.
WTG Kiwi's
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yea. I know, you guys don't care. But if you missed the introductory film you missed a few really good laughs. Michael Moore squashed by an Oliphant while screaming about the "unjustness of this war" was the topper for me.
WTG Kiwi's
Hey no more thanking any new zealand people... They had enough!!! ;)
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While the opening act with the movie and the songs was funny and so were some of the skits (specially the one by jack black and will ferrell), I preferred Steve Martin's performance last year over this year Billy Crystal's (Funnier jokes).
Daniel
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yea. I know, you guys don't care. But if you missed the introductory film you missed a few really good laughs. Michael Moore squashed by an Oliphant while screaming about the "unjustness of this war" was the topper for me.
WTG Kiwi's
I pay no attention to Hollyweird or their awards ceremonies, but you've got my curiousity up, what happened? Was someone using the awards ceremony as a political platform?
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Yeah, the opening was pretty funny. Billy Crystal was great. Thought the mugging at the end of the show was hilarious.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I pay no attention to Hollyweird or their awards ceremonies, but you've got my curiousity up, what happened? Was someone using the awards ceremony as a political platform?
The whole show was pretty low key politically, but Moore getting blasted for last year was pretty funny in the opening.
Michael Moore, the documentarian who caused a stir at last year's Oscar with an anti-Iraq war tirade, made a cameo in the montage, urging an end to the fictional war portrayed in "Lord of the Rings" before being unceremoniously stomped on by an elephantine creature -- drawing roars of laughter from the crowd.
Here's a rundown on Billy Crystal's opening. (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=4464250)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yea. I know, you guys don't care. ..
then why did you post it? to try and draw out which tards on this board watched the pompus hollyweirds pat themselves on the back - again.. :rolleyes:
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Sean Penn needs to be sent to a re-education camp.
I dont care how many awards they give him - his box office proceeds will continue to shink as long as he keeps throwing the letters "WMD" into every speech he makes infront of a microphone.
Idjit.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Sean Penn needs to be sent to a re-education camp.
I dont care how many awards they give him - his box office proceeds will continue to shink as long as he keeps throwing the letters "WMD" into every speech he makes infront of a microphone.
Idjit.
Most likely not.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yea. I know, you guys don't care.
:aok
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Most likely not.
Most likely not - he wont stop? Or most likely not - his popularity will continue to fall?
The first - youre right.
The second - way wrong.
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I thought you guys were talking about this kind of Oscar.
(http://www.j-aircraft.com/walk/don_soderlund/oscarp12.jpg)
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No, but they did do a tribute to Kate.
(http://www.marksindex.com/japaneseaviation/kate/b5n1_inflight_1.jpg)
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As much as I like movies, I can't seem to give a flying poop about the oscars. That opening movie does sound amusing though, and I'm not suprised Moore had the humor to appear in it...though I'm sure plenty will find reason to bash him for it regardless.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Most likely not - he wont stop? Or most likely not - his popularity will continue to fall?
The first - youre right.
The second - way wrong.
Hmmmmm? Popularity continuing to fall?
I'm no Sean Penn fan, but you're either fooling yourself or uninformed.
Penn has never really been the type of "A"-list star who's gonna headline a blockbuster like a Tom Cruise is. But his movies have pretty consistantly made money and he's got the critics respect as someone who makes thought-provoking, powerful, intelligent movies instead of jumping into whatver action-adventure moneymaking schlock is offered to him.
Mystic River, the film for which he just won Best Actor in a Lead Role, is his highest grossing film EVER. It's made 75 million against a 30 million dollar budget so far, with more likely to result from his win. And it co-stars one of the most liberal activists in film, Tim Robbins. Doesn't seem to have affected the box-office receipts very much now has it?
His "WMD" comment was pretty lame (and came across as so) but his personal beliefs don't change the fact that he makes some quality movies and that his popularity as a mature actor is actually GROWING, not fading as you'd like to believe.
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The people that go to sean penn movies these days are not going to give a rats bellybutton about his politics.
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His WMD comment was just fine in tone, quick, measured and respectful - he seemed to understand the events was about thier love of movies and not politics. The same cant be said of that **** moore last year.
As for Penn I'm far more concerned about the Saddam propaganda trips he made last year...
Mystic River was an excellent, if depressing film.... I think he deserved the Oscar fully even though I wish Bill Murray won for Lost in Translation.
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What was so horrible about what Moore said? I forgot.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
The people that go to sean penn movies these days are not going to give a rats bellybutton about his politics.
hehe .. true
I don't think they can spell "p-o-l-i-t-i-c-s" :)
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I thought this was neat...from tht Reuter's story...
After the first commercial break, Crystal was joined on stage by his longtime comic colleague, Robin Williams, telling the audience, "This is the reason for our five-second delay."
The two then stood side by side, smiling, as Williams, in a joke about the recent flurry of same-sex weddings performed in San Francisco said, "Look at us -- a San Francisco wedding cake."
:rofl
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Mystic River was an excellent, if depressing film.... I think he deserved the Oscar fully even though I wish Bill Murray won for Lost in Translation.
So true, I can honestly say that Murray is great in that movie, without any reservations...
Truly something special!
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Originally posted by SOB
What was so horrible about what Moore said? I forgot.
I dont think it was anything moore said, certainly he said it all before in public. However it was the way he behaved and grandstanded and made a fool of himself that was the real problem. I think its ok for people to make personal gestures upon reciving the awards but not to the point it becomes a disrespectful and distracting embarassement, and it seems that he did.
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Originally posted by Doberman
Hmmmmm? Popularity continuing to fall?
I'm no Sean Penn fan, but you're either fooling yourself or uninformed.
21 Grams. Apparently a great movie - but a flop at the box office. Why? Released shortly after his comments, $56,000 open letter to Bush, and 'fact finding mission' to Iraq.
I did not see Mystic River because I dispise Robbins even more than Penn, so I cant comment on it.
Penn was fired from a movie deal because of his remarks, and if memory serves, he is still engaged in litigation.
Did you miss all the public outcry as a result of his antics?
Anyone remember the Dixie Chicks? How about Johhny Depp? Remember that 'Mexico' movie? What did that rake in? Hell - its already on video.
People in the public eye must relate to a broad audience - they need to remain opinionless. They love everyone and have no problems with anything.
As soon as one of these public individuals - an actor in this case - opens his mouth and voices a contraversial opinion, he/she divides the fan base.
On one hand, those who agree with the speaker like him even more - but they would have bought tickets anyway.
On the other, those who disagree with him wont be so keen to pay $10 a ticket to fund his lifestyle.
Not a very smart business move, if you ask me - and after all - a business is what Hollywood is.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
- and after all - a business is what Hollywood is.
Dang and I thought it was the Liberal White House area....;)
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Sean Penn needs to be sent to a re-education camp.
I dont care how many awards they give him - his box office proceeds will continue to shink as long as he keeps throwing the letters "WMD" into every speech he makes infront of a microphone.
Idjit.
Amen, that guy has some serious issues, you could see the forced smiles of the audience and it seemed like the whole room went silent into complete akwardness.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
How about Johhny Depp? Remember that 'Mexico' movie? What did that rake in? Hell - its already on video.
"Once Upon a Time in Mexico" earned back twice its budget in domestic release alone. And perhaps you're forgetting "Pirates of the Carribean" which raked in over $300 million in domestic ticket sales and earned Depp a nomination for best actor. Even the crappy "From Hell" made back its budget, and other big movies starring Depp such as "Sleepy Hollow" more than paid for themselves.
Depp is not a good example to prove the point you're making.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Well then remove him and insert anyone else you'd like in order to prove my point.
PS: AFAIR PotC was released before his comments in the German rag.
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Dixie Chicks aren't a good example either. They had a huge year.
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Who is to say it wouldnt have been bigger if they kept their mouth shut? You forget the backlash? The 'CD stomping parties?'
EDIT: For the record - I used to really enjoy Penn's performances, but his comments towards Bush went beyond what I feel would have been acceptable. He went beyond voicing his opinion and behaved like a child throwing a temper tantrum.
Now I wont pay to see his movies because I dont agree with his political views. I feel no need to seperate the personal from the professional - especially when given the opportunity to judge a man based on the reality of his character as opposed to the make-believe characters he portrays for a living.
One less ticket bought for his movies - so yes, his sales have fallen from what they could have been. :D
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Penn has never really been the type of "A"-list star who's gonna headline a blockbuster like a Tom Cruise is. But his movies have pretty consistantly made money and he's got the critics respect as someone who makes thought-provoking, powerful, intelligent movies instead of jumping into whatver action-adventure moneymaking schlock is offered to him.
Because we all know that PENN wrote the scripts, PENN directed the movies, PENN made the settings, PENN supervised...
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Who is to say it wouldnt have been bigger if they kept their mouth shut? You forget the backlash? The 'CD stomping parties?'
You'll have to do much better than that. It was bigger than it has ever been.
Dixie Chicks score record sales
The Grammy award-winning trio sold out all 867,000 tickets in a day, surpassing the popularity of tours of stars such as Madonna and Sir Paul McCartney.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2828895.stm
Keep it up though... sooner or later the world absolutely must conform to your perception of reality. :aok
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Country isn't my thang... :)
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Perhaps the successfull ticket sales had something to do with their popularity.
Afterall, the link you posted is dated March 7 - the date of the ticket sales.
The comments made by Maines occured the following week.
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According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), it was March 5.
On March 5, 2003, Natalie Maines provoked controversy in America by saying, during a concert in London, that the band was "ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas". Maines is a native of Lubbock, Texas. Following the uproar and a boycott of their music, the singer attempted to clarify matters on March 12 with the statement "I feel the President is ignoring the opinions of many in the U.S. and alienating the rest of the world."
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According to Yahoo, the comments were spoken in London on March 10th.
The trio performed a live show in London on Monday (March 10th) night, and Natalie Maines told the crowd, "Just so you know, we're ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas."
http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=212621
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
According to Yahoo, the comments were spoken in London on March 10th.
http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=212621
You're probably right on the date... I've been searching for the complete tour schedule of that year, but have come up short. A few articles reference the March 10 date.
Even without the concert sales, the DC did quite well on record sales during the entire year according to Billboard (http://www.billboard.com/bb/yearend/2003/country_albums.jsp):
Despite the controversy that surrounded the Dixie Chicks and the political views of vocalist Natalie Maines, the trio remained at the top of the Billboard Top Country Duo/Group recap.
The Chicks' "Home" album comes in at No. 2 on this year's list of top country albums (http://www.billboard.com/bb/yearend/2003/country_albums_2.jsp), with sales buoyed by the group's successful Top of the World tour.
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Penn should have just said his thank you's and kept his political opinions to himself for the night.
Just MHO
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I think Moore said Bush should be ashamed of himself..something to that effect...i think.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I dont think it was anything moore said, certainly he said it all before in public. However it was the way he behaved and grandstanded and made a fool of himself that was the real problem. I think its ok for people to make personal gestures upon reciving the awards but not to the point it becomes a disrespectful and distracting embarassement, and it seems that he did.
LOL, so you hate him because he was disrespectful to the Oscars?
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Hehehe, looks like someone is saur with envy.:D
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did you guys cry at the oscars?
lazs
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Originally posted by Torque
Hehehe, looks like someone is saur with envy.:D
Only of the money made in the business.
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Saurdaukar, you should probably just give up before you've embarrased yourself further.
I don't care for anyone who uses their mass-media popularity to dispense thier (often misguided & uninformed) political views. But I'll still go see their movies / concerts / TV shows (in the case of Martin Sheen) if I enjoy their performances. As will the HUGE majority of the public. Thinking otherwise is just foolish.
Most of the examples you've posted after I refuted your original point have already been shot down. I'll complete the circle by pointing out that 21 Grams was a smallish Independant type film that wasn't going to get a huge audience no matter who was in it. Sean Penn had nothing to do with the lukewarm reception by the unwashed masses. The subject matter did.
You say "Well then remove him and insert anyone else you'd like in order to prove my point. " No, that's not how it works. It's your point, which you've so far not managed to back up in the least. If you want to convince people that a performers political views have a consequential affect upon thier popularity and revenue, you've gotta be the one to present an example that can't easily be dismissed or explained for simpler reasons. And saying "Well, maybe they would have been even bigger" is a cop-out and unprovable.
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Sean? Sean Penn? Is that you?
Lighten up grasshopper.
Originally posted by Doberman
Saurdaukar, you should probably just give up before you've embarrased yourself further.
Er - embarressed of what? My opinion?
I don't care for anyone who uses their mass-media popularity to dispense thier (often misguided & uninformed) political views. But I'll still go see their movies / concerts / TV shows (in the case of Martin Sheen) if I enjoy their performances. As will the HUGE majority of the public. Thinking otherwise is just foolish.
So in short, because I dont agree with you, Im foolish. Gotcha.
Most of the examples you've posted after I refuted your original point have already been shot down. I'll complete the circle by pointing out that 21 Grams was a smallish Independant type film that wasn't going to get a huge audience no matter who was in it. Sean Penn had nothing to do with the lukewarm reception by the unwashed masses. The subject matter did.
To give you an idea of the weight your opinion held, I dont remember the post - Ill scroll up later. PS: Star Wars was a 'smallish independant film' too with questionable subject matter.
You say "Well then remove him and insert anyone else you'd like in order to prove my point. " No, that's not how it works. It's your point, which you've so far not managed to back up in the least. If you want to convince people that a performers political views have a consequential affect upon thier popularity and revenue, you've gotta be the one to present an example that can't easily be dismissed or explained for simpler reasons. And saying "Well, maybe they would have been even bigger" is a cop-out and unprovable.
Ah, Ive found the problem. You see - the above statement is written as though you believe that I think 'remove him and insert anyone else you'd like in order to prove my point' was a valid attempt to convince you of something.
Given the jovial nature of the post and the comment, I'd say you probably took it the wrong way so Ill be a little more clear this time: I stated my opinion - nothing more, nothing less. If you feel the need to start picking it apart because you dont agree with it, youre bored at work, or youre mad at the wife, thats fine, but dont expect me to give it the same amount of attention.
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like anyone even read that after your previous crap fest.
wake up dude your and idiot.
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LOL! Oh the irony! :D