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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: N8DOG on March 02, 2004, 01:56:34 PM
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Forget this post, AH is perfect in every way and nothing needs changing. No one ever whines about getting ganged, HOed, Ran down by a dweeb LALA, get accused of being a NIKI dweeb or anything. I dont know what I am thinking to suggest that AH isnt perfect, Im sorry.
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I don't see how splitting up the player base among multiple main arenas benefits Aces High at all.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by N8DOG
I saw another post about changing maps, but you already responded so I will post my reply so you can read it. Tell me what ya think. I feel the best, easiest, and most obvious way to break it up is to just have 2 MA's. Can do it 1 of 2 ways. #1 can have 1 MA as a large map only, and when it resets it just resets to another large map, and the other map is small and resets to another small map. #2 (and this in my favorite) is to model it kinda like AW had it, have 1 MA in the ETO with British, Russian, German, and USAF planes. Then the other MA can be Pacific/Meditaranian with USN, Japanese, Limited British, and limited German planesets. This would be so easy for HTC to impliment that it is silly to not have it this way. Obviously just as in AW one of the MA's would be more popular, but it would seriously drop the numbers in each arena which I think is a GREAT thing. These small maps are fine and dandy when each country has 35-70 people on, but when 120-200 people are on in each country it sux IMO. Some people may like it but alot dont. HTC, please respond, how long would it take to add another MA along the lines of what I suggested? And why dont you do something to give us a reason to keep paying our hard earned money to you. I realize that creating a new game (AH2) is a huge task but please throw us a bone here.
Hitech has already responded in the other thread, as well as others, not such why you felt you had to rehash this here when the conversation could have continued in that thread.
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I'll tell ya what N8DOG, start by asking me a question and showing me some simple common courtisy, and i'll think about answereing your question.
HiTech
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Originally posted by N8DOG
It sure does help. People who like to fly USN planes but hate getting raped by the 109/La7 people now have a place to so.
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The Combat Theater provides historical and regional matchups like this. Even then, it rarely enjoys greater than 10% of the MA numbers. People like variety, and what you're proposing substantially reduces gameplay variety while simultaneously fracturing the player base between two main arenas. I strongly doubt HiTech would ever support such a move.
If you wish to try historical matchups outside of the CT, try Aces High events (like major scenarios or weekly squad ops) or start a head to head room with a restricted planeset.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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N8dog, AW had its share of problems too.
ETO 1st camp was hard to get anyone to fly allied. Once second camp and 3rd camp rolled around (pj available etc) it would turn around and would be hard to find axis up and about.
Rolling plane sets just don't work for everyone.
As far as numbers go in the MA.
I agree that when we have a small map up it can get a little crowded. But they tend to get reset quickly, and allow more people as a rule to enjoy winning a reset.
I like the set up we currently have. There is something for everyone here as it is.
MA for the score dweebs :)
CT for the folks who like a set scenario (many historical)
SEA for all kinds of different events happening on a regular basis.
This ain't AW (in fact its a damn sight better IMO).
HI-Tech, keep do'in that thing you do so well!
Cheers,
RTR
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I thought they were split. I think the other one is called the CT, or something like that. I'll look into it.
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Originally posted by dedalos
I thought they were split. I think the other one is called the CT, or something like that. I'll look into it.
Actually i think its a three way no no 4 way split oh wait 5 way split i could be wrong ...dedolous could u check that too??
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I have a suggestion for you. Change your handle. I don't want people thinking I'm crying about my own game.
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LOL!
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Oh sure , improve it.
Pretty soon the "How to Live with Your AH Addiction", "Are You AH Co-dependent?" and "Freeing Yourself from The MA" is gonna hit the bookstores.
I wonder what the 12 steps will be?
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No game is perfect, nor will one ever be. I remember first person shooters like Quake, Half-Life, and even the Team Fortress Classic or Counterstrike MODS. Everyone online complained about getting sniped. I relate that to getting cherry-picked in the main arena. It sucks, it really pisses you off to no end. But ask yourself, does it make you mad because the other guy is exploiting a weakness in the game or the fact that you were not have been paying attention to all the areas around you at that time and he got you at a weak moment? The DA and CT (to some extent) have the 1 vs. 1 thing at co-alt going on more than the MA.
If you notice that guy above you, let him commit, then before he gets TOO close, roll and pull him down to the deck right into a gang of your countrymen, that usually makes them go away pretty quick. If he doesn't follow, just keep moving on, most likely he will as well. Alt is a big advantage, he's exploiting that, so take his away as well. All you can do is play the game the way you'd like it played, and learn how to deal with the others when you are in the air.
--Howitzer
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I think its a pretty good balance. Some maps are definitely harder because they require using a plane I don't normaly fly (e.g., I can't hardly catch anything when flying a spit on the pizza map). But I guess thats a good thing. It forces me to try something new.
The only thing a truly dislike is the suicide porking. Its hard to defend a base if the pilot it going to dive staight down from 20k knowing he's never going to pull out of the dive, but wil pork fuel before he dies. Second thing I hate is when you can't resupply HQ because the enemy didn't destroy it completely. That just seems like a bug
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Dang hitech and natedog. kind of jerks aint ya. He was asking a simple question. a million people whine per day, why dont you pick them out too. did you complain to the guy who was suggesting perk all the planes somewhat. do you not have confidence in your own game or something that you would respond to a customer in such a way. "i'm the boss, ill do what i want". what an awesome reputation to have in the gaming world.
da kidd
respect is given when it is earned
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Acually, Hitech and nate have always been polite and respectful to people who are polite and respectful
On the other hand, if they get blasted they deserve it
Having played this game longer then 1 month, I can say that Hitech and company alway respond to the concerns of the community, and as a matter of fact, this is the ONLY game I've ever played where the owner plays too
So before you go "dissin" someone, I suggest you get the facts right first
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Well I think the line...
>> And why dont you do something to give us a reason to keep paying our hard earned money to you. <<
was unfair and may have brought about a curt reply. Have you ever read HTC's objective? Its to become a quality small company with interest in 1 game . Not a company inflating figures to sell to some game giant like EA. The idea of quality over quantity is what sold me.
If you like this kind of game, I think HTC is the best bet for developing it and keeping it around. Why? The owner is obviously a WW2 plane and sim fanatic, not some suit figuring ways to strip 14-year-olds of their money. I think suggestions are welcome if they don't contain digs about quality or comitment.
Just my 2 pennies.
(edit: just noticed this was my 1 byte post! Happy byte to me :D)
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Anyone who has just come through the Ruhr scenario can't have any complaints.
Allies and Axis alike thought it was spectacular in the 'feel' it gave about flying in those times.
If you want realism, support the scenarios. CAP is starting next week.
Ravs
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Yep, I agree. HT and crew have done an outstanding job bringing a lot of fun value for a small price. Ignoring the customer? They're very tuned in. When's the last time Bill Gates told you personally to come correct with your questions about Windows? I really doubt they lose any sleep over any big mouths on the bbs, but I think it says a lot they they actually take time to read the forums and I bet when they see something constructive it's probably taken into consideration.
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Originally posted by Kidd
Dang hitech and natedog. kind of jerks aint ya. He was asking a simple question. a million people whine per day, why dont you pick them out too. did you complain to the guy who was suggesting perk all the planes somewhat. do you not have confidence in your own game or something that you would respond to a customer in such a way. "i'm the boss, ill do what i want". what an awesome reputation to have in the gaming world.
da kidd
respect is given when it is earned
I was just about to say sorry and explain myself till I read that last line....... After 5 years, if I haven't earned any respect.... damn.
I was trying to add humor to an otherwise negative thread, Playing on the fact that someone e-mailed me asking if I was complaining about my own game.
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
I was just about to say sorry and explain myself till I read that last line....... After 5 years, if I haven't earned any respect.... damn.
I was trying to add humor to an otherwise negative thread, Playing on the fact that someone e-mailed me asking if I was complaining about my own game.
Thats Gonna be someone's new Sig material soon..... Lmao
You guys are gonna run outta the "Monthly alloted Whine amount " befor the weeks out .
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No quick fixes to the afore mentioned so called problems. Same quirks that bother some players, don't bother others at all. All these issues have been discussed in years past....and there Ain't no easy solution to them. From AW, to Warbirds to here...same issues. Just have fun.....if you're not do what I do....log off. You'll be back :)
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I dont seek or require an apology. I'm not the who started this thread and was made fun of because he is concerned about a game that he enjoys playing with friends all the while looking for ways to provide suggestions and improve it. You jumped on him, not me. Apologize to him not me. If you were just trying to be funny, tell him not me. And if your looking to gain respect, look for it from him and not me. Right now i'm sure he respects you a whole lot for that last comment you made about him. Even moreso because you arent going to apologize to him and explain your position because of something somebody else said. Great idea. Are we still in highschool? You can do it on the board, you can do it by email. You dont have to do it at all. Right now, you "expect" respect because you've been here 5 years. Tell that to the guy you just insulted because he was trying to suggest things for this game.
I play this thing as much as i complain about it. There are so many things wrong. And another person that says "if you can fix it , then do it". "if you can make both people die in a ram , then do it" is a brown nosing loser living in a dream world hoping for some extra perks. That is not my job. That is your job...if you feel like it. My extent is to tell you the problems that I see. Somepeople do that. Somepeople like me just simply complain about it in the MA because we know nothing will be done about it. SOmeone who thinks he can be heard and listened to like he is a human comes in here to post it and gets jumped on by the hierarchy and the brownnosers. I've been in a lot of sims in the past decade and have seen some crappy communities and support staff. I used to think the cake went to WWIIOL. Now i'm not so sure. A staff that critizes a paying customer (not that that matters to you it appears and i could care less that it did) for that player not being happy with his product? Reminds me of a large company actually. I always felt small companies were easier dealing with disgruntled customers.
What was wrong with a simple "I'm sorry things are not going very well for you, i understand that you are upset. We try our best and are striving to make things as good as will allow. We have considered a topic likek this in the past but could find no real way to amke it work. Perhaps in the future we will find a format that will work for everyone, but until that time this is the very best that we can provide"
Wow, i thought of that in 10 seconds. Now go back and read yours. I dont require a response. See you in the arena.
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I respect Nate. He likes wings and beer.
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Wow a whine about a whine .....
And I bet Kidd didnt even see the original post befor it got edited . What a way to start out.
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Actually i did. and if you had to name it , what would be that heavenly aroma u smell?
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Originally posted by Kidd
Dang hitech and natedog. kind of jerks aint ya. He was asking a simple question. a million people whine per day, why dont you pick them out too. did you complain to the guy who was suggesting perk all the planes somewhat. do you not have confidence in your own game or something that you would respond to a customer in such a way. "i'm the boss, ill do what i want". what an awesome reputation to have in the gaming world.
da kidd
respect is given when it is earned
All HiTech and Natedog did was give a dweeb his just rewards.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Thats Gonna be someone's new Sig material soon..... Lmao
You guys are gonna run outta the "Monthly alloted Whine amount " befor the weeks out .
You were saying? :)
Karaya
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Originally posted by RTR
N8dog, AW had its share of problems too.
As far as numbers go in the MA.
I agree that when we have a small map up it can get a little crowded. But they tend to get reset quickly, and allow more people as a rule to enjoy winning a reset.
RTR
Yea..IF your a Rook :lol
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well, HTC I know it isnt much in your grand scheme of things but you just lost yourself $14.95 a month. I have now gotten rid of my acct (that Ive had for 3+ years)Lets see 3 years=36 mths x 14.95 =about $540.00 . I know 14.95 a month isnt going to hurt you because you have 100's of other "sheep" that follow you around sticking their heads up ur Arses telling you how good you smell. And they will keep paying their hard earned money to you and maybe someday they will grow enough balls to stand up for themselves and voice their opinion instead of *****ing and complaining to themselves. Obviously you guys have no stinking clue about customer service, you ever heard the tearm "the customer is always right"? You guys act like you are the gawd damn kings of the sim world, and at the current moment people put up with it because you are one of the only games in town. But you watch my words, you will be dropped like a hot rock when something else comes around. For the time being I will go fly a different sim and gladly pay ANY of your competition my hard earned money. Im out Cya.
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Then again, you could've just rephrased your suggestion without assumptions of lack of commitment. People post things in the heat of emotion - easy out is the very honest "i shouldn't have said that." No one could fault you for that. Quitting is way too much drama for what the situation required. I don't think the problem was the suggestion (as I've heard other suggestions replied to politely), but the assumption that HTC was not trying to give customers a quality product. That assumption was unfair (IMHO), and could have been easily fixed by rephrasing the suggestion in a less confrontational manner (i.e., just cut out the last two or three sentences of your initial post - thats where it went over the top).
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someone forgot to take their prozac agaIN ...
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Lack of commitment is 100% accurate. Tell me, how much has HTC done for us in the last year. Lets just be hypothetical here. lets say that there are 1500 paying customers (there are probably more than that) at $14.95 a month, thats $22,400 a fricking MONTH!!!! these people are making off of us. Ok now lets take that 22,400 and multiply it by a year= $269,100 WOW!!! And for the $269,000 what have we gotten? A little bug infested POS AH2 that isnt going to be ready for at LEAST another 6 months to a year. Ever heard of the term reinvesting your money? Well to me HTC hasnt reinvested a gawd damn thing. They treat people like a number and thats a fact. If I would have made my suggestion back when they only were making $500 a month or so I bet they would have bent over backwards but now that they are making big $$$ they could give a rip about the customers. Anyone who thinks this is a quality company is an idiot. A quality company is one who strives to please its customers, strives to improve its product. The only thing that has been improved around here is the Map that fester built himself, if it wasnt for Fester we would have the same sim that we had $269,000 ago. Doesnt seem like progress to me, it seems like amoney wave that HTC is going to ride until it crashes on the shore. Well I hope I have started in a small way for that wave to crash, because all I can do to voice my opinion is to cancel my membership. VOTE CAST..............ROCK THE VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you've really been here 3+ years then you'd know damn well HTC has strived to please their customers since the beginning. Sleep it off man, then come back and rethink your posts.
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Just one question. Do you have any conception of business expenses?
Fica taxes (yea employees hate them but employers pay the same dollar for dollar for each employee)
corporate taxes
state taxes
insurance (unemployment, compensation, employee health, capital insurance, etc etc.)
rent
utilities
depreciation
bandwidth
salaries
bonuses
advertising
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Go google , search business expenses.
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Originally posted by Octavius
If you've really been here 3+ years then you'd know damn well HTC has strived to please their customers since the beginning. Sleep it off man, then come back and rethink your posts.
So True !!! (And if you dont believe us then go back to the beginning of this BBS and Read )
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Originally posted by N8DOG
Lack of commitment is 100% accurate. Tell me, how much has HTC done for us in the last year. Lets just be hypothetical here. lets say that there are 1500 paying customers (there are probably more than that) at $14.95 a month, thats $22,400 a fricking MONTH!!!! these people are making off of us. Ok now lets take that 22,400 and multiply it by a year= $269,100 WOW!!! And for the $269,000 what have we gotten? A little bug infested POS AH2 that isnt going to be ready for at LEAST another 6 months to a year. Ever heard of the term reinvesting your money? Well to me HTC hasnt reinvested a gawd damn thing. They treat people like a number and thats a fact. If I would have made my suggestion back when they only were making $500 a month or so I bet they would have bent over backwards but now that they are making big $$$ they could give a rip about the customers. Anyone who thinks this is a quality company is an idiot. A quality company is one who strives to please its customers, strives to improve its product. The only thing that has been improved around here is the Map that fester built himself, if it wasnt for Fester we would have the same sim that we had $269,000 ago. Doesnt seem like progress to me, it seems like amoney wave that HTC is going to ride until it crashes on the shore. Well I hope I have started in a small way for that wave to crash, because all I can do to voice my opinion is to cancel my membership. VOTE CAST ROCK THE VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMFG. Is this guy drunk??
I live in a 5 years old house. I still pay monthly rent about it even if the owner hasnt done anything for it. I still pay even if owner is not goin to make me a new house. And Im satisfied.
Im also very satisfied for AH even if it has some minor bugs and problems. I have had so much fun. I would pay my 14.95 even if there are no AH2.
And what comes to commitment, how can there be several betaversions if no-one works for it...
HTC, keep up the good work and dont care about these jerks...:aok
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Hehehe what is this guy on? And what has happaned to piss him off like this? I missed the original post I believe what was it about?
I think everybody knows I don't always agree with the HTC crew (often/alot of time ) BUT they do have the best support I've ever seen. To say something else is just pure lie.
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I live in a 5 years old house. I still pay monthly rent about it even if the owner hasnt done anything for it. I still pay even if owner is not goin to make me a new house. And Im satisfied.
Well we arent paying for a house you moron, we are paying for a service. Even lowlife AOL updates more than 1 time a year.
Just one question. Do you have any conception of business expenses?
Well Im no business expert, nor do I pretend to be one like you do, but aside from a server, bandwidth, a couple employee's and some advertising, I doubt HTC has much overhead. I would be willing to bet the whole damn thing is run from one of their garages. As for all these employees and benifits you talking about, I wonder how many people actually "work" for HTC. Once the game is up and running there isnt much that goes on except monitoring it for problems. God knows they dont update it and take care of glitches, but that is another post all together. But you go ahead, keep paying your $14.95 and pretend you getting a "good value" and that this game is so perfect. But if you opened your eyes and read any of the hundreds of posts about gripes with this game you would shut ur trap. And for the rest of you, I just threw an idea out to try to improve the game for all of us, and all you did was give negative feedback, and then you go back into the MA and complain complain complain. At least I have hair on my balls and am not afraid to voice my opinion. Oh yea, HTC, 2 more people just told me that they are going to join another sim. so now that $14.95 is growing. Looks like that cash wave your riding is now $44.85 smaller each month. :) How ya like me now Mr Natedog and Lowtech?
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Actually if I felt they way you do about this I wouldnt hang out here making a fool of myself ... I'd go straight to the HTC and email or call them .(there not gonna put ya on hold for an hour or anything like that )
As for Cash thing They have earned ever penny and deserve it as far as im concerned .
Btw there are plenty of other "buggy/whiny" games on the intardnet you can go waste your time on besides this one .
( when ya find a non buggy/whiny game let me know and ill go check it out )
OK Skuzzy Time to use the good ole
(http://s90945482.onlinehome.us/roosite/AH_screenies/scratc.jpg)
on this Thread ...
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"How to take $14.95 more seriously than life itself"
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Man Im sencing alot of hostility here. We either need a group hug or Im going to get Steve and he'll really fix ya! teehee
Oh yeah that tern you mentiond the customer is always right thing... My family owns 2 bissnesseseses... The customer is right MOST of the time... Until he cops an attitude not unlike the one you have here. At this time he is ussually asked to leave and not come back.
I mean what is it you really want to do? Send the Track stars to one MA, the Alt Monkeys to another, the strat dweebs to yet another, take the furballers and ship them off to another MA?
this is a silly thread. not silly haha but silly like stfu silly, but even more like embarassing silly...
Just wait n' till I find Steve you'll be sorry oh yea, you'll be sorry
HTC % Co.
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At least I have hair on my balls and am not afraid to voice my opinion
I shave my balls.
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this is a good game....period:aok
now that my nose is brown...can I have my perkies back that I lost while flyin my 262 with 10kills....
some guy flyin b26's didn't have MG's....but CANNONS.....oh the insult.
I want em back NOW!!!!....or I QUIT
I can''t quit...nitwits need more BASHING there skulls
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"Oh yea, HTC, 2 more people just told me that they are going to join another sim. so now that $14.95 is growing. Looks like that cash wave your riding is now $44.85 smaller each month. How ya like me now Mr Natedog and Lowtech?" N8Dog
We're saddened by this loss. Now STFU, and stop taking up our bandwidth you idjit!. HTC was here 3 yrs ago, it will be around longer. Thank god you won't.
To All HiTech Creations Staff, I know I can contribute to havoc on ch.1 :), but in all sincerity. Keep up the good work.
Karaya
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Anyone get the sense that N8DOG, is just Natedog with a goatee...
The EVIL NATEDOG!
Really though, when we start wondering if it take balls to state an opinion about a video game, it makes me wonder if we're not taking ourselves a bit too seriously.
I've made a few suggestions in the past. In fact, I think I even suggested the split MA thing two years ago. http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43963 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43963)
I don't think it took balls.
-Sik
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N8dog, didn't you say you were outta here like 3 posts ago? Why are you still here then?
I don't know what world you've been living in, but we've been constantly upgrading AH. For the past year we've been working to make a major upgrade to the game. You can't seriously expect us to keep upgrading the old version while trying to make AH2. Take a look at the credits on the clipboard in AH. There are only 7 people in this office, and despite your inflated imaginary sums, no one here is driving a Rolls Royce.
As far as customer service goes, I challenge you to find a game company that will go out of it's way so much for it's customers. How could you have been with us for 3+ years and not see that? Moreover, when you show so much disrespect and abusive behavior towards us, how can you possibly expect to get respect in return?
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Kidd:
What was wrong with a simple "I'm sorry things are not going very well for you, i understand that you are upset. We try our best and are striving to make things as good as will allow. We have considered a topic likek this in the past but could find no real way to amke it work. Perhaps in the future we will find a format that will work for everyone, but until that time this is the very best that we can provide"
It is wrong because a line like that is total BS. Thats somthing a PR type who realy dosn't care would say. Think of it this way, I could cut and paist that statement for every complaint ever made. Does it realy show any more concern about customers?
I view it this way, you have to consider all customer concerners. You don't always have to put up with a customers bad behavior.
And was wondering does Kidd = Fidd?
HiTech
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Wow.
I went back and read the thread that Sik linked to.
You know whats different?
Pretty much the same idea's put across as to how to make AH better. BUt with one glaring difference.
There was no "Whaaa, your all idiots! "take my $14.95 and stick it!" "I Have hairy B**ls!" "You have no B**ls".
It was a discussion of ideas and the merits and cons of the ideas.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that it was downright Civil.
Look how far we have come in 2 years.
If I was HT, I WOULD make another arena. I would enable only the spitfire. I would skin it as the "Malibu Barbie Spit."
Anyone who becomes a "problem child" would be forced to fly in only that arena, and wear a dunce cap.
I would call it the DC. "Day Care" :D
IN all seriousness though. How did we get here?
Cheers,
RTR
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Like I said before, I was just trying to add humor to this otherwise retarded thread.... I'm still trying to figure out what got N8DOG so bent outta shape...... let me get this straight..... you want us to add a feature to this game that we already have, so that it can be more like your beloved AW..... throw in a few insults to boot..... and you don't like the reaction you get? man, don't let the door.............
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HT, I think Kidd=N8DOG. :)
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HT and Natedog.
When is AH 2 complete? :D
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2 weeks ;)
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Thank you all for wasteing my time and bandwidth.
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<==== Pulls up chair
This is some classic shiet... Oh your killing me here... That n8dog guy needs to get laid. Matter of fact we all need to get laid... Seems to me there is a lot of sexual frustration going around...
JOC, LINE THE SHEEP UP!!!!!
C'mon ITS A FREAKING GAME!!!!
BTW n8diggiddydawg Its not polite to bash someones hard work.
If you can do better put out a product to compete with theirs. If not STFU FRUITCAKE
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I'm still playing even though I now know the staff IS completely retarded. At work i listen to customers cuss and b#tch and moan all the time, and unless they make physical threats, we never tell them to let the door hit their ass. BTW, http://www.targetware.net/. Beta, now. God you guys are so screwed when that comes out, it is absolutely aweosme. Also, support staff, completely awesome. Woo AH2 better be some piece of work. And how in the world can targetware get their graphics so awesome and still run on my little computer while i can't even have full vision and clutter on in this game. I guess its in the coding. Oh well. Ill still see you in the skies, until something better comes along, and it is :). And I lol at all the brownnosers and their expectations of just rewards.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Actually i think its a three way no no 4 way split oh wait 5 way split i could be wrong ...dedolous could u check that too??
Take a number. I'm still working on the first one
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At work i listen to customers cuss and b#tch and moan all the time, and unless they make physical threats, we never tell them to let the door hit their ass.
I think most of us can make some sort of distinction between McDonalds and HTC.
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HUH. I think all three of them are Dlamb and he's out of ritalin again.
"you want us to add a feature to this game that we already have, so that it can be more like your beloved AW..."
lol. ALmost too phunny. The dork can't see just how much AH IS AW now.
p.s. and.... IN! Cause I aint been in a closed topic on a long time.
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Originally posted by Kidd
I'm still playing even though I now know the staff IS completely retarded. At work i listen to customers cuss and b#tch and moan all the time, and unless they make physical threats, we never tell them to let the door hit their ass. BTW, http://www.targetware.net/. Beta, now. God you guys are so screwed when that comes out, it is absolutely aweosme. Also, support staff, completely awesome. Woo AH2 better be some piece of work. And how in the world can targetware get their graphics so awesome and still run on my little computer while i can't even have full vision and clutter on in this game. I guess its in the coding. Oh well. Ill still see you in the skies, until something better comes along, and it is :). And I lol at all the brownnosers and their expectations of just rewards.
Lmao ... "Now its the my Games better then your whine"neener neener ... .......
I zink i need my lounge chair for this one ....... Beer anyone ?
"and unless they make physical threats, we never tell them to let the door hit their bellybutton "
Now my sides are about to break :rofl
(my PC can beat up your PC )
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edited, thought better of it, as it was in poor taste. :)
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
N8dog, didn't you say you were outta here like 3 posts ago? Why are you still here then?
I don't know what world you've been living in, but we've been constantly upgrading AH. For the past year we've been working to make a major upgrade to the game. You can't seriously expect us to keep upgrading the old version while trying to make AH2. Take a look at the credits on the clipboard in AH. There are only 7 people in this office, and despite your inflated imaginary sums, no one here is driving a Rolls Royce.
As far as customer service goes, I challenge you to find a game company that will go out of it's way so much for it's customers. How could you have been with us for 3+ years and not see that? Moreover, when you show so much disrespect and abusive behavior towards us, how can you possibly expect to get respect in return?
What he said !
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I did a nice thing.
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Rarely have I ever dealt with a company that I could call for a minor technical problem on a Saturday afternoon and:
A. Have the owner himself answer the phone.
B. Have the problem resolved correctly on the first call.
C. Receive a personal reprimand for constanly cursing :p
Keep up the good work HTC!
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Hitech,
I dont believe Kidd and Fidd to be one in the same. It certainly doesnt sound like him.
In case you dont know Fidd, He is very British. He is a very fine Gentlemen and Host. During a trip to the UK he was good enough to have us stay at his home, sight unseen. He is a upright and level guy. I would have a hard time believing he would or could be this Kidd.
BTW, Im very satistfied with HTC and the direction it presses forward in :)
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Originally posted by Kidd
At work i listen to customers cuss and b#tch and moan all the time, and unless they make physical threats, we never tell them to let the door hit their ass.
I think you said it best:
respect is given when it is earned
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Originally posted by ravells
Anyone who has just come through the Ruhr scenario can't have any complaints.
Allies and Axis alike thought it was spectacular in the 'feel' it gave about flying in those times.
If you want realism, support the scenarios. CAP is starting next week.
Ravs
well maybe one complaint....no scenario on Sat night!!!
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I am laughing so hard I am crying.
Have you downloaded targetware? LMFAO! It is a piece of crap that won't even run without crashing to desktop on my $6000 workstation LOL!
Why don't you give the open source targetware guys your $15 and see if they return a phone call or email on a Saturday?
Also, dipwad, the customer is not always 'right'. Just because one crybaby tard gets shot down is no reason to kiss your ass. God knows I have had my fair share of complaints over the years, but you have to admit there is not another MMO game that plays as smoothly as this one. ESPECIALLY not a flight sim game.
You ever log on when the server was down? Probably not since I have never seen it happen. Try playing some other MMO game and see how often their infrastructure goes down.
You ever get help on a weekend from the EA's of the world? Nope, they send you to some sorryass outsourced contractor in India if you call.
You ever had a problem and the tech support guy emails you back THAT DAY with a fix? That's customer service.
Nope, I am sorry my friend, if you have been here three years and are crying about getting shot down, maybe you need to make your own sorryass open source 'game' and see if you would take $15 a month to be insulted by every dweebtard that has a bad day.
And Kidd, why don't you STFU and play the game for a few weeks instead of trolling the forums. When you get off your two week trial, THEN come back and express your opinion.
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When I read the complaint about HT's customer service I thought it was a troll. I've never dealt w/ a company that is so aggressive in how it deals w/ customers. On more than one occasion Skuzzy has taken the time to have a lengthy conversation with me, via email and phone, about assorted subjects. When my credit card expired, I called to change it and Dale answered the phone... the damned owner! I was back in the game by the time the phone call ended. Want bad customer service? try to change your calling plan w/ Sprint. If anyone thinks HTC gives anything but excellent customer service, they are sadly misled.
AH isn't a perfect game, but it's a great one!
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While I dont share the two knuckleheads veiws, I will say that I am alittle peved about that AH2 will be released 3rd Q 2003 stuff... I would have liked to know that it wouldnt be released till 3rd Q 2004. I think an over sight in product projection like a year would have been known about last summer. I think a posting informing the paying about the hickup would have been nice. Insted of waiting untill the day after the deadline to announce work has just begun.
Other than that I have no problems with AH, I have made a few phone calls to HT, and had lengthy convos with Skuzzy, to correct some billing errors and credit card problems (cards got lost over the summer, had to change my billing info) I was back online with in mins. So while there bedside mannor may not be what you like, atleast they dont pretend to care...
Keg
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Originally posted by N8DOG
Lack of commitment is 100% accurate. Tell me, how much has HTC done for us in the last year. Lets just be hypothetical here. lets say that there are 1500 paying customers (there are probably more than that) at $14.95 a month, thats $22,400 a fricking MONTH!!!! these people are making off of us. Ok now lets take that 22,400 and multiply it by a year= $269,100 WOW!!! And for the $269,000 what have we gotten? A little bug infested POS AH2 that isnt going to be ready for at LEAST another 6 months to a year. Ever heard of the term reinvesting your money? Well to me HTC hasnt reinvested a gawd damn thing. They treat people like a number and thats a fact. If I would have made my suggestion back when they only were making $500 a month or so I bet they would have bent over backwards but now that they are making big $$$ they could give a rip about the customers. Anyone who thinks this is a quality company is an idiot. A quality company is one who strives to please its customers, strives to improve its product. The only thing that has been improved around here is the Map that fester built himself, if it wasnt for Fester we would have the same sim that we had $269,000 ago. Doesnt seem like progress to me, it seems like amoney wave that HTC is going to ride until it crashes on the shore. Well I hope I have started in a small way for that wave to crash, because all I can do to voice my opinion is to cancel my membership. VOTE CAST..............ROCK THE VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All your post shows is that you know absolutely nothing about running a game development company, let alone an online game.
As for what has HT given us this past year? A great place to come and meet friends and shoot them down.
As someone that works in the same industry as HT, I take off my hat to what he and the rest of the HTC team has done with with AH. My company can learn a few things from these guys.
Dale and crew
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Maniac
I shave my balls.
A little too much information
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Kidd
I'm still playing even though I now know the staff IS completely retarded. At work i listen to customers cuss and b#tch and moan all the time, and unless they make physical threats, we never tell them to let the door hit their ass. BTW, http://www.targetware.net/. Beta, now. God you guys are so screwed when that comes out, it is absolutely aweosme. Also, support staff, completely awesome. Woo AH2 better be some piece of work. And how in the world can targetware get their graphics so awesome and still run on my little computer while i can't even have full vision and clutter on in this game. I guess its in the coding. Oh well. Ill still see you in the skies, until something better comes along, and it is :). And I lol at all the brownnosers and their expectations of just rewards.
Does that mean we're not going to have you around to be our little target drone? That sucks because I need all the easy kills that I can get.
ack-ack
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This is for all u FNG's / whiners: There already is multible choices for you diying pleasure!! 5 count em people 5 different arenas! not to mention the H2H arenas ya wanna yank your subs cause HTC aint asking "how high when ya yell jump"? i say buhbye! the game is what YOU make of it! {kinda like life} HTC canna please ALL the people ALL the time and to try or demand they try is ludicrous <~{spell check steve please} Also if ya yanked your sub why are you still posting here? do ya think we as a community really care what you have to say when your not even playing any more? well let me answer that and i hope i speak for us all when i say NOPE NADDA and STFU!
to Hitech i think yall doing a jolly good job of things so dont let the Bastages whear ya down !:aok
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
I have a suggestion for you. Change your handle. I don't want people thinking I'm crying about my own game.
Hahahaha...I was sitting here trying to remember who the heck N8dog was, saying to myself....didn't I shoot that guy down once. That's when I raed this and realized that I shot you down more than anybody else in the game:rofl
Crap. That caught me off guard.lol I was gunna post something stupid like..."didn't I shoot you down once N8dog?" hahaha...oh dear, time for the med tray......
BTW, sorry for shootin ya down so many times.
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and to you cheap whiners, get a better job, or one. I pay my $24.00 CDN from empty beer bottles. Beer that I drink while browsing these BBS's, watching lowbrows puffing out their chests tryin to look big.
What happened to that online dating service you were gunna start at the trailer park, what was it's name again.....hmm..oh ya http://www.Familyreunion.com....?
Get a life, if ya need cash come over here we'll throw emptys at ya.
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Originally posted by Furious
I did a nice thing.
when? where? can u back that up? are you off your meds? is this REALLY you? Am I off my meds?:rofl
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this goes back a ways but..
Here's the math I care about:
$14.95/60 hours a month = $.25 an hour to play the best video game I think I've ever played from the comfort of my own home.
Fan-Freaking-Tastic
Seriously, I gotta cut back. I have a broken sandrail in the garage I gotta fix, even though I've missed the season (pre AH I would've probably already fixed it), I gotta fix an oil leak on the boat so it goes to the river this summer and doesn't make a huge mess, gotta finish my jeep, gotta finish redoing the winnie.
All that and I gotta improve my ACM and SA. Maybe if I hook up the puter in the garage and work on stuff on the climb out......
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An "attention-starved, pity-party, I'm leaving and breaking the company, look at me I'm a dumbarse" thread. Go figure. There will always be a 2% bottom-of-the barrel - just barely smart enough to post in a forum demographic, I suppose.
Oops .... Dale? Is it ok if I use the word "dumbarse?" :eek:
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respect is given when it is earned>
I'm glad that you've come to my side and agreed with me.
And ack -ack, i'll be happy to let you school me in the DA if you think i'm such an easy target.
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Without addressing HiTech's bedside manner, I often do wonder about suggested changes to the game.
I've had quite a few. And with a very few exceptions, these have died on the drawing board before they even get to a point where I would post them (or on several occasions where I didn't feel like getting into a shouting match, emailed them).
You see the problem is this: This game is much more important to HTC than it is to me. I love this game, and I'm not leaving any time soon, in spite of the fact I can pretty much only fly on Squad Ops. But, for the folks at HTC this is a JOB. This is a living. So, when I sit down and start working on a hairbrained idea, I like to try and give it the full and fair treatment. I figure I should be able to explain the pros and cons of a good idea in about 5 pages or so.
After about a page or two I find something else to do.
-Sik
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Saurkraut gives me gas.
The amount of gas is what I find amazing.
It's enough for the first two bars of the national anthem.
I'm able to change the tone by squeezing my legs and cheeks together. Through experimentation and diligent work, the words are understandable to the listener. Tho "twilights" is VERY hard to say.
So far, everytime I get to the third bar I run out of gas or crap the bed...
I can see from reading this through this thread I have much more to learn..
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ROFLMBO!
Nopoop, you oughta gather all your posts up and publish them.
Without fail, you have me falling off my chair in laughter every time I read something from you.
RTR:rofl
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ROFLMAO @ Nopoop
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Of the few years Ive been playing AH, HTC has been nothing but excellent in customer service. Even though I havent been needing them much (because every aspect in AH has been covered and looked at by the staff of around a dozen people), they still are the best, in my opinion in customer service than in anything else. Try going to another online sim and talking directly to the owner of the game. I bet tehre are very few sims out there that have that kind of staff/customer relationship.
All im trying to say is: There is no reason to complain about AH. Even though it isnt the perfect sim and doesnt have everything you could possibly want, it still is one of, if not the, best flight sims out there. What you, N8DOG, is basically saying that HTC has done nothing in their entire existance, and all their hard work and effort in creating an affordable and enjoyable sim has been wasted. Seems you're in the minority.
About your saying for HTCrunning the whole game in one of their garages, Id say thatd be pretty dam impressive, but if you payed any attention in these last three years you've been playing you would know that is incorrect.
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Now lets really break it down... please correct me if I'm wrong but if I understand correctly...
Hitech was part of the development team for, let's see now
Air Warrior - the one that got us hooked
Warbirds- the next step in the journey
Aces High- where we are now
If this is correct, then Hitech is the reason you have a reason to Whine... you should be thanking him for the opportunity !
Thank you , Mr. Addink, for giving me the game I've dreamed about since I was 6
and no , thats not brownnosing, thats RESPECT
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Originally posted by Flit
Now lets really break it down... please correct me if I'm wrong but if I understand correctly...
Hitech was part of the development team for, let's see now
Air Warrior - the one that got us hooked
Nope, but he wrote a couple utilities for it.
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I stand corrected (:
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Originally posted by Kidd
And ack -ack, i'll be happy to let you school me in the DA if you think i'm such an easy target.
anytime sweetheart. just holler the next time you see me on.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by kj714
this goes back a ways but..
Here's the math I care about:
$14.95/60 hours a month = $.25 an hour to play the best video game I think I've ever played from the comfort of my own home.
Fan-Freaking-Tastic
Best post yet! I can do ya even better. I play on average 4 +hours minimum a day EVERY day. Also translates into literally pennies per day. Hell I probably loose more in pocket change in my couch per month then I pay to play this game. (My kids can probably testify to that)
I sure as hell cant complain about the price.
As for customer support.
Fortunately I personally havent needed much in that department but Anyone that complains even a little bit about HTC's Customer support either has selective memory or has never dealt with the joke of customer support that we had in AirWarrior where literally every problem anyone had just HAD to be a problem with "your computer" it was never on thir end. in spite of the mountian of evidence you might submit to the contrary or the fact that 150 other people were having the exact same problems all at the same time. Their standard responce was almost always without exeption "It must be a problem with YOUR computer.
From what I've seen of HTC from the support dept they are second to none BAR NONE. They typically go way out of their way to help practically to the point of doing backflips to help their customers out. They have always and without exeption admitted and accepted responcability for any problems on their end and have worked to correct them. And when it IS a problem on the customers end they have worked equally as hard to try to help people correct that too when really they do not have to.
Cant ask for a hell of alot more then that.
Now I, like every one else may have my gripes, likes and dislikes about how the game is set up. And I may suggest, complain and and argue my points on how I think it should be. (and some might want to take note that I manage to do so without resorting to namecalling individuals who dissagree with me)
In the end up to HTC to act upon those complaints or sugestions or not. and in all honesty HTC does seem to at least try to take into account everyones concerns
So the one thing I will not do is throw a temper tantrum, stamp my feet and demand that because I pay $15 per month They HAVE to setup or run the game the way I want them to. Or Im gonna quit.
They cant and arent going to try to please EVERYONE. thats an impossable task. Be it map size,and/or color, feild spacing, base porking, hoarding, Flight modeling or whatever. There are always going to be some people that are unhappy about something.
the best they can hope for is to make things as tolerable and enjoyable for everyone as possable and let the chips fall where they may
So if anyone feels its that intolerable that you do not feel like your getting your $15 worth, if for pennies a day your not getting your $15 worth of fun Then yea Maybe you should just leave. And take That $15 bucks elsewhere.
And yanno what No matter who you are, You, me, or anyone else.
your loss will be noticed only as long as it takes to get into the next fight.
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Originally posted by Maniac
I shave my balls.
Doesn't everybody? :confused:
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Originally posted by Arlo
There will always be a 2% bottom-of-the barrel
:D
Gonna quote that
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LOL, just flew that targetware POS... what a joke. Horrible modeling and graphics. If I were a suspiscious man, I would say they stole the engine start up and engine kill wav file directly from ah, they sound that much alike. You can have that Targetware crap... two thumbs down!
As for HTC customer service, stop the madness. HTC is a small company, whos owner/employees are incredibly dedicated to customer support/satisfaction. Skuzzy, for example, puts up with tons of crap, and still manages to deal with any problems we may encounter in short amount of time. I've only had 1 problem, and got a response from him in less than 8 hours.
Keep up the good work HTC !
Neckbone
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Wow...N8dog...you have really lost it. Unfortunately I believe I have met N8 in real live with BigB & URb, went and toured the hornet together few years back. Seemed nice enough then. Not sure what caused falling off the deep end.
Oh, and I sure hope HTC bringing in lot more than $250k a year to run a business with 7 people. That would suck to pay all business expenses, and only have left over to divide up for 7.
HTC.
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Why is it that the first thing assclowns say when you have a disagreement is "Meet me in the DA"?
Being a good 'simulated' fighter pilot doesn't prove your intellect or back up your ill-stated arguments.
Yeah, you all can school me in the DA because i SUCK as a fighter pilot. But, like many here, I have shot N8dog down at least twice in the last month.
This thread simply proves the theory of evolution. Those who can't adapt don't survive. More simply stated, the fartbrained dicktards weed themselves out by their own irrelevance.
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HAHAHAHAH Havoc. N8dog doesnt even exist. Thats not his flight handle. Geeze ur such a moron. Someo f you'd be surprise to know his real handle. freaking bunch of liars.
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Hey Kidd........ can you post that film of that La-7 / C205 engagement? I'd like to watch it.
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Great this thread is good for another 8 hours delay on AHII
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Ahhh, I see. So Kidd really IS n8dogg. Very clever. Your wit and your grammar are astounding. Really.
This is another fantastic success story from our public school system in America.
By the way, Kidd, when you graduate from Middle School and go into High School you will be expected to spell and punctuate. They don't really give a rats bellybutton how well you can do in the Dueling Arena.
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You know what? I am mistaken. There is a small chance Kidd could actually get into college.
I just found the Matthew Lesko Memorial "OMFG u r such a dweeb, kthx" Scholarship fund. This fund provides government money for syntactically-challenged youth who want to major in "OMFG i totally pwn3d j00 in t3h DA, tard!"
I can send along an application if you would like, Kidd.
Just be forewarned that you will be competing along with every other 12-year old in Aces High who is playing on mommy's credit card.
Good luck!
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Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny...and that's that.
DmdMax
The Damned MkXX
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Enof dog piling gents. Time to close this one down.
HiTech