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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Habu on March 03, 2004, 03:12:32 PM
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I predict in the next 3 weeks or so.
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Unless the caliber of the soldiers tracking him are like Mr Black or whatever his name is. Then I predict never.
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ill take the never spot in the pool.
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Serious?
There has been a lot of low level chatter on how the hunt for him is heating up. I take that as a sign that they have turned up the heat big time over there. In this day and age it is almost impossible to hide forever. Eventually something trips you up. And the 25 million on his head is certainly a big inducement for someone to come forward with information.
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And perhaps his body is lying in some cave that was egged early in the hunt.
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I thought that was the case until the audio tapes were released that had references to recent events in them. The CIA authenticated the voice as his as well.
I think he is alive but in a living hell. Can you imagine the stress he is under. I bet if they do find him he looks 20 years older. Much like Saddam did.
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Originally posted by Habu
Serious?
There has been a lot of low level chatter on how the hunt for him is heating up. I take that as a sign that they have turned up the heat big time over there. In this day and age it is almost impossible to hide forever. Eventually something trips you up. And the 25 million on his head is certainly a big inducement for someone to come forward with information.
I remember the same conversations and low level chatter in Spring of 2002. Not getting my hopes up, however, I certainly hoping THIS happens:
After his death, Osama bin Laden went to the pearly gates. There he was greeted by George Washington, who proceeded to slap him across the face and yell at him, "How dare you try to destroy the nation I helped conceive!"
Patrick Henry approached and punched Osama in the nose and shouted, "You wanted to end our liberties, but you failed."
James Madison entered, kicked Osama in the groin and said, "This is why I allowed our government to provide for the common defense!"
Thomas Jefferson came in and proceeded to beat Osama many times with a long cane and said, "It was evil men like you who provided me the inspiration to pen the Declaration of Independence!"
These beatings and thrashings continued as John Rudolph, James Monroe and 66 other early Americans came in and unleashed their anger on the Muslim terrorist leader.
As Osama lay bleeding and writhing in unbearable pain an Angel
appeared. Bin Laden wept in pain and said to the Angel, "This is not what you promised me!"
The Angel replied, "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you in heaven. What did you think I said?"
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I bet he is found sometime in the next 6 months and if he is, the liberals will find a way to make it look like Bosh did it just to mess with them.
IE claim he was locked in a cell under the pentagon the whole time!
:aok
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Rip!
Awsome!
That made me laugh out loud.
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Those Virginians sure did know how to beat black men.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Those Virginians sure did know how to beat black men.
Deth to Ameerika! Eviil Ameerika!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Deth to Ameerika! Eviil Ameerika!
How many times have you posted this?
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He must really mean it. :D
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Originally posted by hawker238
How many times have you posted this?
Billions and billions. Its a troll for a troll.
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Regardless of wether Bin Laden is alive or dead...
As long as he is presumed to be alive the spectre of terror continues and the War on Terror continues...
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Before November.
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Habu: I think he is alive but in a living hell. Can you imagine the stress he is under. I bet if they do find him he looks 20 years older. Much like Saddam did.
I bet not.
Osama has spent many years in Afghan caves fighting soviets. Unlike Saddam, hardship and stress are very familiar to him.
He is an extremely brave man, always ready to die and allegedely having no fear of death whatsoever. He is claimed to have said prayer and gone to sleep like a baby on a verge of major battles or when people around him were dropping like flies.
He has pretty much accomplished what he intended to accomplish in hislife. Politically, he set in motion events that will develop whether he is alive or not. Personally, he has dozens of children that will survive him. Religiously, he is confident of his place in paradize.
He does not care to lead openly or to enjoy public adoration. He obviously has not an iota of vanity.
He does not strut in front of crowds, he does not dress in ridiculous suits or borrowed military uniforms, he does not pose for cameras. He does not recite speeches intended to scare the enemy. He does not try to intimidate his adversaries with words or out-argue them. He just fights them.
personally, he does not use servants or helpers. He has minimal number of bodyguards. This way he is much less noticeable, has only small retinue and those who work with him generally adore him.
He will be difficult to find, even more difficult to capture and we can be sure that death or caputure is part of his plans that will not upsed but likely advance them.
That guy is tough.
miko
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He's dead
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Originally posted by miko2d
Habu: I think he is alive but in a living hell. Can you imagine the stress he is under. I bet if they do find him he looks 20 years older. Much like Saddam did.
I bet not.
Osama has spent many years in Afghan caves fighting soviets. Unlike Saddam, hardship and stress are very familiar to him.
He is an extremely brave man, always ready to die and allegedely having no fear of death whatsoever. He is claimed to have said prayer and gone to sleep like a baby on a verge of major battles or when people around him were dropping like flies.
He has pretty much accomplished what he intended to accomplish in hislife. Politically, he set in motion events that will develop whether he is alive or not. Personally, he has dozens of children that will survive him. Religiously, he is confident of his place in paradize.
He does not care to lead openly or to enjoy public adoration. He obviously has not an iota of vanity.
He does not strut in front of crowds, he does not dress in ridiculous suits or borrowed military uniforms, he does not pose for cameras. He does not recite speeches intended to scare the enemy. He does not try to intimidate his adversaries with words or out-argue them. He just fights them.
personally, he does not use servants or helpers. He has minimal number of bodyguards. This way he is much less noticeable, has only small retinue and those who work with him generally adore him.
He will be difficult to find, even more difficult to capture and we can be sure that death or caputure is part of his plans that will not upsed but likely advance them.
That guy is tough.
miko
He's dead.
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Originally posted by miko2d
Habu: I think he is alive but in a living hell. Can you imagine the stress he is under. I bet if they do find him he looks 20 years older. Much like Saddam did.
He is an extremely brave man, always ready to die and allegedely having no fear of death whatsoever.
miko
So why did he send others to fly the planes into the towers?
If he's so brave, he should have done it himself and staked his claim on paradise.
He's a *****ing Coward.
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Originally posted by miko2d
He is an extremely brave man, always ready to die and allegedely having no fear of death whatsoever.
He does not care to lead openly or to enjoy public adoration. He obviously has not an iota of vanity.
He does not strut in front of crowds, he does not dress in ridiculous suits or borrowed military uniforms, he does not pose for cameras. He does not recite speeches intended to scare the enemy. He does not try to intimidate his adversaries with words or out-argue them. He just fights them.
Yeah, he has no vanity... He's the most famous terrorist in the world, having staged the most spectacular act of its kind in history. Every word he utters on camera, and he's uttered quite a few, is aired and re-aired on TV the world over, analyzed, dissected and re-analyzed. All he needs to do is leak an interview to the press and it's all people care about for a few days. Just because he doesn't 'strut' around doesn't mean he's not vain. He's as vain as they come, the difference between him and others like him is that knows how to achieve and maintain fame while others gain it and burn out/die out.
He's brave? How so? Do you have proof that he slept like a baby? Do you have proof that he lead any charges or dived into the crossfire to do something selfless?
The definition of what he does is intimidation by words and symbols. Without words and symbols he'd be a humble, anonymous soldier--which he isn't. 9/11 was a symbolic act, and very effective in that respect. Bin Laden knows full well that fighting a level fight with the US would lead to the quick end of him and his followers. He would become a martyr or a prisoner--which he doesn't appear too eager to become, although his power and influence would grow with that status.
He's an urbane politician who manipulates easy-to-mold minds into doing what he wants... A mastermind who hides behind his hordes and the blind terror they inspire.
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we'll thaw him out about mid- Oct and prop him up for display
weekend at bernies..
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i'm doubtful, the place where he is hiding he has lots of friends. and they are no friends of the U.S.A. as for 25 million for his head, his friends dont believe they will live to collect it if they go judas on him. no, i believe he has started a chain of events in his life that he has little control over. he is a hero to militant fundamentalist islam and everyone who hates america. he excited those people by attacking the U.S. the only weapons that he attacked with were box cutters and 17 dedicated people. how much did it cost us? alot more. dont matter if we get him. there will be thousands willing to take his place. no, the movement, the idea is something that needs to be stamped out not nessarly the leader. dont get me wrong, im all for consequences
and repercussions but do them over a broader scale
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He's hiding in MrBlacks basement playing with all the neato cool sniper gear.
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muckmaw: So why did he send others to fly the planes into the towers?
Al-Qaeda is not the kind of organisation that "sends" anyone anywhere against his will.
It facilitates and coordinates the individual voluntary activity of its members.
As I said, he is not vain - if he had any influence in the decision, he must have selected the best operatives for the job.
If he's so brave, he should have done it himself and staked his claim on paradise.
He could not have possibly done it himself. He was one of the most wanted people in the world. Even with our lax securiy and intelligence, the chances of him getting into US and boarding a plane undetected were nonexistent.
His personal participation would have surely doomed the operation and caused the capture of his comrades.
He's a *****ing Coward.
He left a lavish life or a multi-millionaire, several to join a guerilla war against the soviet invaders in Afghanistan.
Maybe your definition of the word "coward" is different from his.
Capt. Pork: Every word he utters on camera, and he's uttered quite a few, is aired and re-aired on TV...
Yes. I've noticed. He does not waste spit talking to westerners, like many buffoons. His speeches are quite practical.
He's brave? How so? Do you have proof that he slept like a baby? Do you have proof that he lead any charges or dived into the crossfire to do something selfless?
Sleeping like a baby and his other exploits could well be a legend, though I see nothing special about them that could not have happened for real.
I know for sure that he volunteered to join an extremely bloody conflict instead of living life of luxury. There was no safe place for mujahedeen. There was no mercy to them and especially not to foreigh fighters - they were commonly tortured to death if captured by soviets.
All mujahedeen I saw were brave. He was one of them by choice and stayed there for years. Then he picked a fight with the US. That's pretty much all the proof I need for myself of his bravery - but it is not a kind of proof I could give to someone.
Of course that is my opinion only and if yours differs, I would not call you any names. :)
But in case you ever face him with weapons in your hands, it would be extremely unwise on you part to assume that he is scared and would run away.
miko
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What an idiot.
It's no wonder people like Bin Laden get a foothold in the world, when moron's like miko idolize them.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Those Virginians sure did know how to beat black men.
Well, after all, they were just recently transplanted Brits. ;)
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Originally posted by Martlet
What an idiot.
It's no wonder people like Bin Laden get a foothold in the world, when moron's like miko idolize them.
You certainly do sound like quite a fan, Miko.
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Originally posted by miko2d
Then he picked a fight with the US. That's pretty much all the proof I need for myself of his bravery -
miko
or proof of his insanity .. the guys a nutbag
I guess this guy has superhuman bravery too eh?
(http://psych.justicefreedom.org/img/pg10x_1.jpg)
:rolleyes:
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Its easy to live a life of fighting and hiding if one is a fanatical muslim. Its similar to running a marathon if you believe there is a stack of gold bars waiting for you at the end.
What Bin Laden did, and is doing, isnt anything special. He just had the power, resources, and freedom to pull it off.
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Miko, I really hope you're just playing idiot's advocate with us.
Bin Laden is as vain as any other religious fanatic, prominant politician or high-profile celebrity. This isn't an opinion, rather a self-evident fact that comes out when you look just a nanometer or so beyond the very surface of his actions and his words.
I repeat... He's VAIN. As vain as Napoleon or Celine Dion or the Egyptian Priests who told the Pharoahs what do to and when to do it.
He can say all he wants about acting in the name of god or his people or whatever, but in the end, he's acting on his own behalf and nobody else's. Think about it--whose life has he improved through his actions? He killed a bunch of Americans and international visitors, causing the Americans to come in and unseat a government, not to mention kill a good percentage of his followers. Meanwhile, Bin Laden is nowhere to be seen, but he's as famous and as frightening as ever. Who has he benefited? Himself. Bin Laden is out for the glory of Bin Laden, plain and simple.
Even his fellow muslims, albeit the educated ones, confirm that the 72 virgins in heaven rumor is nothing but a fallacy, a method for militants to get their uneducated, often foolish young soldiers to do what they want. Bin Laden, your humble, brave warrior, is nothing but a manipulating, selfish status seeker, and though he may have had his moments during the Soviet occupation, those moments are history. He's chosen a far more direct route to international acclaim. He's leading an ascetic life right now, sure, but so did David Blaine when he locked himself in a plexiglass box over the Thames.
Concerning his speeches, yes, they're practical. They're practical propaganda that's several levels more sophisticated than anything else produced by Islamic extremists. No, he doesn't shout inarticulate phrases in English while waving his fist. he knows that that's old and stale. He remains calm and collected, very matter-of-fact and casual. He understands that withholding emotion while saying the things he says will elicit ten fold the emotion in his target audience--us, the Western observers. Hemingway used to do the same thing with his short, dry sentence structure, causing his readers to fill in the emotional void in their minds, rather than inundate them with heaps flowery words. Osama is merely playing to the people he knows will give a damn about what he says.
Finally, in regards to his bravery in the face of danger.... Britney Spears could kick his bellybutton and not break a sweat.
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muckmaw: You certainly do sound like quite a fan, Miko.
Bravery is a usefull trait of character that has nothing to do with morality. It's a capability, not an ethical value. The man is capable in many respects, not just bravery. Why would I care for me or any of my countrimen to underestimate him?
Saying OBL is a brave is like saying enemy's weapons shoot hard bullets. There is nothing wrong admitting that enemy's bullets are hard and present real danger.
Armchair generals lose nothing claiming the opposite but when push comes to shove, it's better to be operating on the basis of reality for everyone involved.
Many people on this board confise the difference between good/evil and smart/stupid, brave/cowardly, shiftless/motivated, etc.
Eagler: or proof of his insanity .. the guys a nutbag
True, but that applies equally to any religious person - muslim, christian, socialist, democrat, etc. Any person basing his decision on irrational belief is acting insanely.
Some are just much more capable and motivated in bringing their insanity to their logical conclusion.
SunTracker: Its easy to live a life of fighting and hiding if one is a fanatical muslim.
It's not easy. The cold, the pain, the instinct of self-preservation, the love for one's family are the same.
Most religious people are quite sure they will get to paradize without exposing themselves to as much danger or hardship.
Its similar to running a marathon if you believe there is a stack of gold bars waiting for you at the end.
If OBL was in a rush to get the "gold", he could have easily died taking a couple of enemies with him.
miko
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Even his fellow muslims, albeit the educated ones, confirm that the 72 virgins in heaven rumor is nothing but a fallacy, a method for militants to get their uneducated, often foolish young soldiers to do what they want.
WHAT???? Oh man, I was seriously considering conversion. ;)
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"If we do something bad, it's because we were British. If we do something good, it's because we are unique, reborn people."
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Originally posted by AKIron
WHAT???? Oh man, I was seriously considering conversion. ;)
Why would anyone want 72 virgins anyway?
I've had 2 virigns in my life and they were both terrible in the sack.
I'll convert if they promise 72 Porn Stars.
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I didn't intend for them to stay virgins. :D
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Capt. Pork: Bin Laden is as vain as any other...
I am really not willing to go any further discussing the meaning of "vain". All I mean was that he is not seeking superficial publicity and that makes him harder to find. If he produced weekly videos of himself surrounded by a bunch or adoring followers instead of voice tapes twice a year, we would have him already.
Maybe it's nor related to vanity at all - whatever it is, you know what I mean.
Think about it--whose life has he improved through his actions?
I have been thinking about it. His goal was never to improve any person's life but to advance a cause and change the course of history in the direction he prefered.
The losses you list are not nessesarily perceived as losses by him.
As far as he is concerned, his dead followers are in paradize and he has more living ones. US did not just unseat one lousy dead-end government that must have been an embarassment to wahhabis. US also unseated a stable secular socialist regime that was his enemy.
He's leading an ascetic life right now, sure, but so did David Blaine when he locked himself in a plexiglass box over the Thames.
If you claim that any person who's achieved publicity had no other goal but that publicity itself, you can list any public person starting with all US presidents.
He understands that withholding emotion while saying the things he says will elicit ten fold the emotion in his target audience--us, the Western observers.
I disagree that we are his target audience altogether. What kind of emotion do you think he could elicit from us?
Surrender and convert to islam? That is not something we could do. Scare us into leaving the Middle East? That is likely the opposite of what he wants.
Finally, in regards to his bravery in the face of danger.... Britney Spears could kick his bellybutton and not break a sweat.
I don't know - maybe she is very brave. She is certainly very athletic. Let's hope she will join the Northern Alliance militia and helps them to track him down. :)
miko
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Same day they find Elvis.
...-Gixer
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Miko,
Tih Russki, nyet? Ya sam is moskvih.
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Capt. Pork: Miko,
Tih Russki, nyet? Ya sam is moskvih.
Bivshiy sovetsky, po krainey mere. Tochneye s Ukrayini, no ya viros v russko-govoryashei culture.
miko
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Hey I didnt know you were Russian.
:D
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senna: Hey I didnt know you were Russian.
Well, there is that "profile" button and also my avatar in soviet military headgear with a T-72 cannon on my shoulder... :)
miko
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Miko,
Tih Russki, nyet? Ya sam is moskvih.
On net Russki zhelovek, On smeshnij durakom.
Gde v moskve zhevush'?
Ya budu idet' k Budapestu poslednomu ponidelnikom.
Ochen' bol'shoe delya s farmeseuticom.
Khochish' pit' pivo so mnoj?
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pivo = beer right?
:D
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Hmmmm.
Looks like they have a live one cornered. And still within my 3 weeks prediction.
Pakistanis May Be Near al-Qaida's No. 2 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040318/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_al_qaida_hunt)