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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Otter on December 14, 2001, 06:51:00 PM
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I have been asked by a member of the BigWeek scenario command staff to delete references to a tactical mission in the Allied message board because the board has been compromised.
With all due respect I cannot and will not do so. Any individual who participates in a scenario and would seek to break the rules in such a way deserves no part of this community and I would expect the command staff and participants of each side to honor the confidentiality of all plans and communication of the opposing force up to and including notifying HiTech Creations of anyone violating those standards.
This is just a game that is true, however, games are only worth winning when the letter and spirit of the rules are followed.
The highest order of integrity demands that we abide by a code of honor that states I will not lie or cheat or tolerate those who do and that everyone has the right (and duty) to question unlawful orders or unfair gameplay.
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Is This the Otter I knew and loved In AW's old boards. Nah It Cant be..
PLease crack something againts your stones so we know its really you. :o
Furzy
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Ohh Just read what you were talking about, Not that serious. But dont put me between a Smelly clam and a hard place.
Furzy
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Originally posted by Furzy:
Ohh Just read what you were talking about, Not that serious. But dont put me between a Smelly clam and a hard place.
Furzy
Ya it's me....trying not to overeact but one of the things I absolutely loved about scenarios was the team newsgroups with the planning, after action reports and joshing.
If we give in to folks who cheat and become secretive enclosed groups of leaders vs. grunts then I would be really disappointed.
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Hey, grab a pair, Tumor. What do you have to be afraid of, really?
edit: nevermind, this is just ridiculous...
[ 12-15-2001: Message edited by: the_hegemon ]
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Christ, this is getting too rediculous to even mock now.
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Really. Where's Creamo when he's desperately needed?
Westy
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Originally posted by Fatty:
Christ, this is getting too rediculous to even mock now.
C'mon Fatty, don't let me down.
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Originally posted by Fatty:
Christ, this is getting too rediculous to even mock now.
"Ridiculous", and as further correction, an entirely separate issue from my post in the Allied BigWeek forum.
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Originally posted by O'Westy:
Really. Where's Creamo when he's desperately needed?
Westy
What part of this do you disagree with Yankee swine? What do you have against private scenario forums for opposing sides?
I never noticed you object before or seen the possibility of cheaters ever stop you from holding forth an opinion in one.
The simple fact is barring a complete embargo on information there is nothing to stop an individual from having one or two additional accounts and signing up for email lists or volunteering to lead a group in order to have access to information.
So our only alternative is to trust one another to not use ill gotten gains. As a matter of fact I am sure you are aware of instances in prior scenarios where orders were posted to open newsgroups in error and the opposing side was the one who notified the careless (and sleep deprived) moke of the indiscretion.
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Originally posted by milnko:
C'mon Fatty, don't let me down.
I bet your a beaver fan.
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Uhhh... Espionage _is_ part of the fun of multiframe scenarios. If your side isn't engaging in espionage, your side isn't in the game.
That said, like in the real world, the bulk of any side's intel efforts is concentrated on non-confidential sources.
Furthermore, I think both sides and the CMs agree that "espionage" does not include obtaining access to information that is password-protected.
Yet discussing in detail mission plans in a group larger than is necessary does give cause for concern. We're talking about over a hundred people on each side, and many of these people (myself included) have good friends on the other side. Now, I wouldn't willingly disclose any information; but I might let slip some detail. Now, multiply that by a hundred, and put on the other side someone with the job of collecting and evaluating that information, and suddenly discretion even in private forums becomes important.
The intelligence war is for me the most entertaining aspect of these scenarios. I've never seen a case of someone reporting information from a secure forum, but I have seen impressive results from inadvertent leaks.
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Originally posted by Otter:
I bet your a beaver fan.
I bet you live in Keizer.
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB:
I bet you live in Keizer.
SOB
yeah but I'm not retired nor do I work for the state.
:p
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<chuckles, shakes head, wanders somewhere else>
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otter this should have been left in the allies forum.
You have shown that you don't care about what everyone else wants you just want to be a dick.
As I said in the proper forum but in a nicer way "Shut the Hell up!!".
Take your high horse and save a whale or something.
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Damn... this watermelon smells mighty familiar... not unlike the stink of my cats bellybutton after a cheeseburger and fries.
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Ach, zoooooo Hang.
So vy don't chu tell me chust vy you sniff your cat's ass? Zis is very strange, no?
In all my time vith Herr Freud ve nefair had ze cat's bellybutton sniffer!
:D
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I guess Im going to jump to Otters defense somewhat here.
Posting something about folks Hacking into password protected message boards isnt an allies only thing. In fact I think it conserns everyone.
Without getting into the rest of the issues here. That one thing bothers me. I think anyone hacking passwords or bribing them should simply be ejected from AH.
At least thats what I get out of the lead post.
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
otter this should have been left in the allies forum.
You have shown that you don't care about what everyone else wants you just want to be a dick.
As I said in the proper forum but in a nicer way "Shut the Hell up!!".
Take your high horse and save a whale or something.
Hey bro' kiss my ass, this post concerns what should and shouldn't be posted in private, password protected scenario webboards.
I suggest you get a clue as I really don't give a flying fk what you think.
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Originally posted by Grimm:
I guess Im going to jump to Otters defense somewhat here.
Posting something about folks Hacking into password protected message boards isnt an allies only thing. In fact I think it conserns everyone.
Without getting into the rest of the issues here. That one thing bothers me. I think anyone hacking passwords or bribing them should simply be ejected from AH.
At least thats what I get out of the lead post.
...and you're probably from Ladysmith! :eek:
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB:
...and you're probably from Ladysmith! :eek:
SOB
No, but there is some pretty darn good fishing up there :) Im surprized you know if it. :)
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Otter, I'm extremely anti-spying in scenarios. IMO there is no place in an event where players enact being in a segment of the real war. Spying or compromising the plans of one side by ANY players is of the highest taboo. No excuse at all for it.And there's absolutely no need for it. When the scenario ends no side is enslaved by the other.
There is also no real life like consequences for being a spy or passing info on to the "enemy" - on purpose or accidentally. We mimic a pseudo death by the 'one life' rule in frames for pilots. Unfortunately there is no punishment or consequence for "clandestine operations" here. IMO there should be.
A summary courtmartial or even a firing squad could be replicated by expulsing the player form the event altogether. Maybe even carry it over to the next event to help deter that roadkill depending on the severity of the case.
My post was only to encourage Fatty and Creamo to liven things up ;) I figured you'd not care for any actual input of mine on the actual subject. Which you covered pretty well anyway.
Westy
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Originally posted by Fatty:
Christ, this is getting too rediculous to even mock now.
then all is truly lost.
Are the allies worried that the axis will find out that they have figured out how to hack 2k bombs onto the rocket rails of thier p51s and plan on using the elemement of supprise to win the next set?
Hey if the USAF could have done it they would have so it must be OK....
there how was that fatty?
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Originally posted by Grimm:
No, but there is some pretty darn good fishing up there :) Im surprized you know if it. :)
Most of my family lives in or near Eau Claire. :)
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Originally posted by O'Westy:
<snip>I figured you'd not care for any actual input of mine on the actual subject. <snip>
Westy
Not true, I still think you can be a ***** (just like me) I no longer think you are one.
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If you could just do a hideous job of pasting your head on a spitfire for a Sig Otter, you might just pick up 3rd place behind the toejamtingSwan for buckethead poster of the week. (Sorry, "The Tuckster" won easily.)
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(Phffffffffffffffffft.....)
My dog has gas.
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The witless sappy humor contest is next week DRippy. Now go vacuum your driveway.