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Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: bpti on March 07, 2004, 01:39:53 PM

I was playing IL2 the other day and I noticed that on the 109 the T&B indicator and attitude indicator are a single instrument.
was it like that in real life? can someone post a real picture of an 109 or 190 instrument panel?
if that is a real instrument, how come nobody has produced it since? it makes instrument flight so much easier, not having to scan 2 instruments to know what your nose and wings are doing, for instance you know if you are coordinated, your rate of turn and your angle of attack and angle of bank just by looking at one instrument, it's amazingly intuitive to use too.

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: Urchin on March 07, 2004, 01:56:18 PM

I thought the attitude and bank indicators were always the same gauge.

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: bpti on March 07, 2004, 02:21:45 PM

no, the turn coordinator (or turn and bank indicator) and the attitude indicator(or artificial horizon) are two different instruments in all aircrfat I know.

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: Cobra412 on March 07, 2004, 02:25:54 PM

There the same on an F-15...:D

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: bpti on March 07, 2004, 02:27:17 PM

go glass :P

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: GScholz on March 07, 2004, 05:14:07 PM

I guess it's the big one in the middle?

(http://hapnlin.com/bokelman/109panel1.jpg)

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: bpti on March 07, 2004, 05:24:57 PM

thanks a lot buddy.
see how it shows both attitude and rate of turn and the ball?
amazing.

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: GScholz on March 07, 2004, 05:30:50 PM

Yup. Like someone said, the Germans are renowned cuckoo clock makers. ;)

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: Cobra412 on March 07, 2004, 06:12:39 PM

Does anyone know where you can find upclose images of each indicator for the WWII aircraft?  Or atleast some of these aircraft?

Title: Re: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on March 08, 2004, 05:19:04 AM

Quote

Originally posted by bpti
on the 109 the T&B indicator

You wont need that in the 109. Just use the B&Z gauge. :p

Camo

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on March 08, 2004, 08:24:02 AM

must be VDO if it existed than :)

Title: Re: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: HoHun on March 08, 2004, 12:30:04 PM

Hi Bpti,

>if that is a real instrument, how come nobody has produced it since?

Conservative thinking? :-)

"If it was good enough for Lindbergh, it's good enough for me!"

The Americans took instrument fusion another step further at the end of WW2 and also integrated the compass in the same device.

If I remember the description correctly, you'd look at a small aircraft model in a three-dimensional instrument, with a green/blue horizon graduated with course numbers.

I think it was called "Hoover horizon" after its inventor, a test pilot who unfortunately died in an accident before he could get his invention into production.

Too bad I can't find that article again, or I would have been able to supply some more accurate information.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: bpti on March 08, 2004, 06:31:45 PM

doesn't matter nowadays, glass instruments do show everything on one screen :lol

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: Glasses on March 08, 2004, 06:43:42 PM

Unless of course the vacuum pump is messed up then you're screwed,that or electrical failure :D

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: bpti on March 09, 2004, 08:03:20 AM

they usually have backup batteries.
primary flight instruments have backups, well, of course, they need suction or electriuc too, but most airplanes also have a battery operated suction pump and so on the list of backups continues to infinity  :)

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: Eagler on March 09, 2004, 08:28:37 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Cobra412
Does anyone know where you can find upclose images of each indicator for the WWII aircraft?  Or atleast some of these aircraft?

if you try ebay, where that shot of the instrument panel came from, he is sellling many individual instruments/gauges

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=hapnlin&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Title: luftwaffe amazing indicator
Post by: bpti on March 09, 2004, 08:45:49 AM

ahh I wanna buy it
thx Eagler
(http://hapnlin.com/bokelman/bokelman063.jpg)