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Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 07, 2004, 08:20:38 PM
:D  Scary how accurate - even down to magazine subscriptions.

Guess Im a Time Trialer.

http://www.nsxfiles.com/Pyramid_of_speed.htm
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 01:16:28 AM
More like the pyramid of retardation.  Racing street cars is like ****ing with your pants on.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: loser on March 08, 2004, 05:45:31 AM
^^^^^^ that right there is signature material.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: gofaster on March 08, 2004, 09:33:54 AM
So where do computer racers fit in that pyramid?

Edit: Only 9 days left until Sebring opens to the public!
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: john9001 on March 08, 2004, 10:08:20 AM
i feel like so left out, he never once mentioned hill climbs...
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: Coolridr on March 08, 2004, 10:52:42 AM
4 cylinder engines..expensive ground effects... lots of racing parts stickers.."racing" rims...and an annoying loud muffler..do not a fast car make....when was it decided that a loud 4-cyl was an appealing sound...and don't get me started on NOS..if you can't make your car go fast without it..then you don't need to be racing..NOS is cheating..you can put it on a stock engine and outrun someone...besides it smells like cheese when it's used:D
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 08, 2004, 10:55:26 AM
Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
More like the pyramid of retardation.  Racing street cars is like ****ing with your pants on.


Dont mind FUNKED, he's just suffering from Armstrong Syndrome.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 11:15:57 AM
YER JUST JEALOUS CUZ YOU DON'T GOT THA NAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWS!!!  :aok
(http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeywaltz/pos.png)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: Coolridr on March 08, 2004, 11:22:08 AM
yeah......I'm jealous:rolleyes:
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 11:33:48 AM
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Originally posted by Coolridr
yeah......I'm jealous:rolleyes:


Yeah it's normal to envy our phat rides.  Post some pics of your ride yo!
(http://photo.ricecop.com/pics/i-1_b_lcivic.jpg)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: Coolridr on March 08, 2004, 11:43:04 AM
give ma a bit to go take some pics....befor ethe day is out
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 11:45:56 AM
TIZZITE!
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 08, 2004, 12:10:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yeah it's normal to envy our phat rides.  Post some pics of your ride yo!
(http://photo.ricecop.com/pics/i-1_b_lcivic.jpg)


He is t3h lozar!!

Der iz no wai tht he is t3h k00l as us with are downforse!

Ill kill j00 cauz mai Civic runz t3h kwarter in 2 sex!!!!!1111threehundredandseventeen

YOU CANT HANGE WIT TEH VTEC POWA 4EVAR!!!

(http://ministylemag.com/mag/0010Oct/civic/c.JPG)

WE GET ALL TEH GIRLYS TO SEE!!  BLING BLING!!
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 12:33:57 PM
OMG I too am masturbating to Sourdork's posts.  Hubba hubba.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: gofaster on March 08, 2004, 12:40:24 PM
Originally posted by FUNKED1
(http://photo.ricecop.com/pics/i-1_b_lcivic.jpg)
Looks like one of the Hot Wheels cars I buy for my 5-year-old nephew.

(http://ministylemag.com/mag/0010Oct/civic/c.JPG)
Was this photo taken in the parking lot of a local high school just before baseball practice?  That's class, baby, class; right down to the Big Lots store across the street.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: nuchpatrick on March 08, 2004, 12:44:40 PM
Guess... I fall in there with you Mike...  I finally did Sebring.  And I know for sure now that I will be getting that roll bar much sooner  :D
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 08, 2004, 12:51:43 PM
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
Guess... I fall in there with you Mike...  I finally did Sebring.  And I know for sure now that I will be getting that roll bar much sooner  :D


How is it?  Its one of the tracks I want to run.  Thus far Ive done Pocono North, Glen, and Summit Point.

Hopefully once this transfer works out and Im on the Left Coast I can hit up Laguna Seca - I want to scare the snot out of myself in the corkscrew.  :D
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: nuchpatrick on March 08, 2004, 02:15:34 PM
I love the track.. I would have killed to beable to push the car more then I dared as I did wish to drive it home lol.  Perhaps I'll build a Spec Miata race car in a few years.

Of all the turns the one I remember the most is turn one if you cut the corner too close one could take the drivers side mirror off. If you were blocking someone trying to pass on the inside.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: MrCoffee on March 08, 2004, 03:26:45 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Saurdaukar
How is it?  Its one of the tracks I want to run.  Thus far Ive done Pocono North, Glen, and Summit Point.

Hopefully once this transfer works out and Im on the Left Coast I can hit up Laguna Seca - I want to scare the snot out of myself in the corkscrew.  :D


:D

lol sour, hows your porsche doing mechanically at the track. Any mods yet?
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 03:33:36 PM
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
I love the track.. I would have killed to beable to push the car more then I dared as I did wish to drive it home lol.  Perhaps I'll build a Spec Miata race car in a few years.

Of all the turns the one I remember the most is turn one if you cut the corner too close one could take the drivers side mirror off. If you were blocking someone trying to pass on the inside.


Just get a shifter kart dude.  Way quicker than any Miata, and it's a cheap hobby.  If you break it, you still drive home.  You have to be in real good shape to drive one of those though.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: LAWCobra on March 08, 2004, 03:42:31 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Just get a shifter kart dude.  Way quicker than any Miata, and it's a cheap hobby.  If you break it, you still drive home.  You have to be in real good shape to drive one of those though.


You mean like one of these

(http://home.comcast.net/~c.hambleton/kart01.JPG)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: MrCoffee on March 08, 2004, 03:50:39 PM
LOL, go kart racing is a great sport. Wish they showed more of it on TV, like the European karting events as well. Anybody ever hear of Mike Wilson? Havent dont that in a few years. Thats bumper to bumper racing. Would like to get back into it but not right now. Im not worried since I know I can race karts till Im over 50 years old.

:D
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: nuchpatrick on March 08, 2004, 03:52:30 PM
Ehh.. I like to have metal around me and I wouldn't want to drive a Kart around Sebring unless I got paid lots of money.

I can pick up a late model 1.6L Miata for Spec Miata racing for about 2500..and most likely have it turned into a racer for under 5 grand. I can do 80% of the work my self.. I just have to have the time..right now I don't have it.

Besides I have fun...either crushing cones or just doing lap's at a road course. In all honesty I'd rather take out a sea of cones if I screw the pooch then hit a wall. :rolleyes:  :D


Cobra is that your Shifter Kart?? It's sweet looking!
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: LAWCobra on March 08, 2004, 04:01:32 PM
You really want some speed try one of these.
I weight 260lbs and this little beauty got my fat Arse to 170mph

(http://home.comcast.net/~c.hambleton/images/rc-51.jpg)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: LAWCobra on March 08, 2004, 04:03:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MrCoffee
LOL, go kart racing is a great sport. Wish they showed more of it on TV, like the European karting events as well. Anybody ever hear of Mike Wilson? Havent dont that in a few years. Thats bumper to bumper racing. Would like to get back into it but not right now. Im not worried since I know I can race karts till Im over 50 years old.

:D


Yeah I stoped sprint racing and bought a 250cc superKart.
But a little trip into a tree at 60mph made me look for another hobby LOL.

It totaled A 12k Kart and the wife said no more LOL.

Yeah that was my yamaha CRG shifter but I sold it to buy the above mentioned 250cc SuperKart.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: LAWCobra on March 08, 2004, 04:06:04 PM
Now I just ride this thing LOL.
Im getting too old for all the speedy stuff.

(http://home.comcast.net/~c.hambleton/images/rd001.jpg)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 04:13:54 PM
Oh man, Superkarts are SICK.  They run at Laguna Seca pretty often.  They run faster times there than anything but the CART boys.  :)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: MrCoffee on March 08, 2004, 04:16:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by LAWCobra
Yeah I stoped sprint racing and bought a 250cc superKart.
But a little trip into a tree at 60mph made me look for another hobby LOL.

It totaled A 12k Kart and the wife said no more LOL.

Yeah that was my yamaha CRG shifter but I sold it to buy the above mentioned 250cc SuperKart.


Ouch, thats goto hurt. I almost creamed another kart once in a fast monza turn at 65-70 mph. He spun out and was sitting in the middle of the track, I missed him by a few inches. I've never been off the track in a kart to badly, just a touch and go.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: LAWCobra on March 08, 2004, 04:17:41 PM
Yeah those dude like Eddie Lawson where hitting 158mph at Laguna seca.

At Oakhill here In Texas we hit 120-130 on one straight.

I miss is but man It cost you major bucks to be competitive.
I spent on average 800 bucks on a race week end.
And the Kart are 12K!

Mine was a 257 rotax single cylinder.
The one like eddie lawsons is a TZ250cc twin puts out stupid amounts of HPs.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: MrCoffee on March 08, 2004, 04:18:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
Oh man, Superkarts are SICK.  They run at Laguna Seca pretty often.  They run faster times there than anything but the CART boys.  :)


I heard they have pro events now. You can win money racing those.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: LAWCobra on March 08, 2004, 04:20:01 PM
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Ouch, thats goto hurt. I almost creamed another kart once in a fast monza turn at 65-70 mph. He spun out and was sitting in the middle of the track, I missed him by a few inches. I've never been off the track in a kart to badly, just a touch and go.


I was very very lucky i slide into the tree backwards so the seat gave be alot of protection.

If I had of headed into the tree I am sure I would have busted up my insides pretty goodon the streering wheel.
But I got lucky.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 04:20:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MrCoffee
LOL, go kart racing is a great sport. Wish they showed more of it on TV, like the European karting events as well. Anybody ever hear of Mike Wilson? Havent dont that in a few years. Thats bumper to bumper racing. Would like to get back into it but not right now. Im not worried since I know I can race karts till Im over 50 years old.

:D


Hehe my dad won his first championship at age 53.  :)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: LAWCobra on March 08, 2004, 04:22:14 PM
Yeah Its great for older dudes like me .
I got started when I was 42
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: MrCoffee on March 08, 2004, 04:25:51 PM
Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
Hehe my dad won his first championship at age 53.  :)


Which class funked?

:)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 04:26:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MrCoffee
I heard they have pro events now. You can win money racing those.


Yeah you would have to pay me to drive one of those.  Honestly I find a ~20 hp sprint kart to be quite a handful.  I need a massage and a gallon of water after driving those for an afternoon.  I've watched 125 cc shifters on our track and they scare the crap out of me.  I would need to do some serious physical training to handle one of those.  Superkarts, I can't even imagine what that would be like.

Karting is pretty safe though.  Most of the tracks, if you crash you just hit hay bales.  It's pretty rare for the karts to tip over and even rarer for somebody to get a serious injury.  

The g loads are higher than you can get in any street car and the mental pace is similar to F1, in terms of how fast the turns come up and how quick your decision making and reflexes have to be.  You probably aren't going over 75 mph on most kart tracks, but when your butt is 2 inches off the asphalt it feels a hell of a lot faster.  :)

The best part is that you can race wheel to wheel without worrying about messing up your street car.  I guess if you have a ton of money it doesn't matter, but for the rest of us it's a big deal.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: FUNKED1 on March 08, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MrCoffee
Which class funked?

:)


Super Sportsman Heavy, Blue Max Kart Club, Davis CA.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 08, 2004, 04:31:20 PM
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
:D

lol sour, hows your porsche doing mechanically at the track. Any mods yet?


It does very well.  Seems to run better and better each time I track it.  I only wish the driver were half as capable as the car.

So far:

-Swapped out Carrera torsion bars and shocks for Turbo bars and shocks.
-Replaced 6 and 7 inch wheels with 7 and 8 inch wheels.  Went from 205/225 to 225/245.  16 inch diameter - will have to retain original diameter if I ever go into F Stock.. although that will be a long way off if so.  Had to roll front fenders to avoid rubbing.
-Lowered, aligned, cornor balanced - teeters more on a track setup than a street setup - harsh, but confident.
-Swapped out OEM 1/1 cat back for 1/2 Borla.
-Swapped out OEM engine management software with custom software.
-Swapped out OEM tie rods for Turbo tie rods.
-Installed bump steer kit (eliminates 'wheel jerk' in hard cornering with a lowered 911)
-Typical stuff: put in some heavy use gear oil, brake fluid, pads, lines, etc.

In the shop right now for:

-Clutch and G50 update (fork).
-964 cams
-While the engine is out, they're going to be hunting for leaks in the usual spots, adjusting valves, etc.

Will have to have software reburned to match new cams.

Should be done by the end of the month and then the first event is at Pocono sometime in the middle of May - exact date escapes me.

Should be fun.  I did/had done most of this stuff after the conclusion of the last season so it will be interesting to see how the car reacts to it.  Thus far it feels much more surefooted.

EDIT:  Pic - excuse ****ty disposible camera and resolution.

(http://members.roadfly.org/m.menke/911-FRresized.gif)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: LAWCobra on March 08, 2004, 04:32:56 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1

The best part is that you can race wheel to wheel without worrying about messing up your street car.  I guess if you have a ton of money it doesn't matter, but for the rest of us it's a big deal.


Yeah At our local Kart club North Texas Karter.
They take a dim view of morons on the track.

In fact you must safely complete 3 races with a rookie plate and you must start at the rear of the grid to.

Then if the track stewards say its ok you may then race with everybody.

So we have a good group of people.
I raced 125cc shifter heavy. (sprint racing)
And in road racing I raced I.K.F unlimited class(250cc super kart single cyl)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: LAWCobra on March 08, 2004, 04:47:27 PM
My true passion is and will always be Moto-cross.
This pic is of me at my last race july 2001 oakhill MX decater TX.

(http://home.comcast.net/~c.hambleton/images/lastrace.JPG)
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: MrCoffee on March 08, 2004, 05:15:55 PM
When ze kar go eh over za bump, I no like. When ze car goes over ze gravil, no I no liket it et all. When ze kar over ze cliff, no I very mucho no liket it et all. Ze kar no go liket fast no more.

:D
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: gofaster on March 09, 2004, 11:07:31 AM
Quote
Originally posted by nuchpatrick
Of all the turns the one I remember the most is turn one if you cut the corner too close one could take the drivers side mirror off. If you were blocking someone trying to pass on the inside.


Yeah, that's a tricky corner. You're packing all that speed off the concrete straight-away into a pretty fast corner.  You hit the mark too soon and you're scraping the left side wall; hit it too late and your tires are scrubbing hard on the concrete on the right but at least you have a lot of room to work with (as the guys behind you hit the mark perfectly and you drop positions).

I was watching a Panoz support race a couple of years ago and I noticed the same sportsmen drivers taking the run-off at the old hairpin in front of the Chateau Elan.  I'm surprised you didn't mention that turn.  Or maybe you were running the short course.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: nuchpatrick on March 09, 2004, 11:22:35 AM
Yeah.. seems theres two options for turn 7 we had a shorter turn.  But that one didn't bother me as much as 1 does..   :D

I wasn't carring as much speed for 7 as aposed to 1. It was far simpler to follow the line. Going slower then flying down the main drag then hard on the brakes.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: hawker238 on March 09, 2004, 03:52:13 PM
HOT SHIZZLE:

(http://img.epinions.com/images/newworld/2256/162448-auto-resized200.gif)


I'm definitely putting a spoiler on that sucker.
Title: The Pyramid of Speed
Post by: gofaster on March 10, 2004, 09:09:14 AM
I once saw a turbo Volvo wagon race at Sebring in a Firehawk race (as it was called then).  It qualified, raced for awhile, then had to drop out due to mechanical problems.  It was pretty funny watching it turn laps around the track with 'vetts, 'stangs, Fieros, and RX7s.