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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kfsone on May 28, 2001, 04:51:00 AM
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Just reading a lot of post-1.07 posts, and it does seem a lot of folks didn't see the P47D-11 sneaked in there =)
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The new P-47 is the kindest gift from HTC.
Lots of people who have no idea how to fly the jug fly it,because it`s new ,and they`re just so easy to kill.
I tried it in DA,and it handles very well IMO.I just won`t use it,since I`m a luftwobble....
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[This message has been edited by ~Caligula~ (edited 05-28-2001).]
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We noticed.
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Sancho
63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
(http://www.jump.net/~cs3/sigs/mahurin_sig.jpg)
CAVE TONITRUM!
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they added a p47D11?!?!!?
excellent! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I give it a wide berth down low in co-E, under 10k or so. Above that, I eat it alive, any day.
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2nd Lt. Hogni "Darling" Gylfason
332nd FG "Flying Mongrels"
143rd Pursuit Wing
(http://peterson.gm.is/img/darling_143.jpg)
[This message has been edited by darling (edited 05-29-2001).]
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IMHO there are but 2 kinds of Jugs.
A: High ones, these are a real threat & get my full attention!
B: Low ones, these are lunch, are tasty, crunchy, & satisfying. So I'm always looking for them.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Why Darling, what are you flying? It must be the limitations of whatever you fly, since it's not the Jug that works that way.
The Jug works better, the higher it goes. At over 20k it's a very sweet ride. In fact, under 10k is where the Jug is most vulnerable. As the altitude climbs, the Jug goes from a fair to middling performer versus the others at low alts, to one of the best in the nose-bleeds. Unless you are flying a Ta152, I'd rather meet you higher than lower any day.
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://lephturn.webhop.net) for AH articles and training info!
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I don't fly the other models of the jug,but this model is a lot of fun!3400 rounds of 50 cal.is cool! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Frodo
(http://www.nostalgicaviation.com/_borders/AAP111.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Frodo (edited 05-28-2001).]
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Ghosth, Darling ... u guys crack me up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Actually, not only you, all thos post I read about what the P47 can do or cannot do ... makes me smile. Not smiling, giggling indeed.
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Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/sig-frenchy6.jpg) 63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
You may want to fly above this red light, Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier while flight instructing on short final runway 04 KMLB.
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 05-28-2001).]
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Lephturn: I fly the Pony (check the sig card (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
Frenchy and Lepht:
I often meet P47s at my altitude around 25k. I seldom worry about them. I've learned on the other hand that the D11 can be hard to deal with at low altitude. Don't know why, since I haven't flown it much (just a few flights offline). I don't see what I said to crack you up, Frenchy, since I don't see any points I made about the P-47's abilities, only my experience in my own plane (the p51) versus this plane.
I hate stats, but here they are:
P47-D25
Kills of: 4 Deaths by: 0
P47-D30
Kills of: 12 Deaths by: 0
P47-D11
Kills of: 6 Deaths by: 3
So respect to the D11.
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2nd Lt. Hogni "Darling" Gylfason
332nd FG "Flying Mongrels"
143rd Pursuit Wing
(http://peterson.gm.is/img/darling_143.jpg)
[This message has been edited by darling (edited 05-29-2001).]
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Guys..All models of the P-47 in AH are inferior to other AC. Dont even give them a second thought when you see them in the arena. Just go about your merry way. You see we jug people, as I refer to us nuts, just fly it for the nostalgia. So be kind to us too, let us have a kill ever so often. It builds our self esteem.
TY very much folks! and a hardy <S>
(http://home.nc.rr.com/ammo/public.html/ammo_sig1.JPG) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
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LOL Ammo, yeah the jug sucks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Erm... yeah I don't know why we put up with it. Especially that new slow-ass D11.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hey Darling... the Pony is all over the Jug at pretty much any altitude. In order for the Jug's high altitude performance to really kick in vs. a Pony, you have to work around it's high-alt supercharger gear. That means I'm a better match for a Pony either at 15k, or 30k. At 25 K the Pony peaks in her high charger gear and starts to drop off.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/charts/p51dspeed.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/charts/p47d30speed.gif)
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://lephturn.webhop.net) for AH articles and training info!
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I have found a new ride this tour and it's the razorback. God what an ammo load!
And I find I can climb like crazy with a little speed and alt... schwiiing.
(little zoom climb that is)
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The funniest part is the posts about the "new" ammo loadout........3400 rounds is available, or was last time I checked, on ALL the Jugs........ (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)!
And I don't worry 'bout the 'Stangs up high, at least not one on one........problem is, you seldom find one doing any lone wolf flying.......just like real 'Stangs, they only move around in herds.
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I agree Eddie! I just never flew one much before this tour... I kinda like the green machine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for the herds of stangs.. man you are sooo right. I tend to fly lone-wolf (no pun intended) sorties more often than not and I get my arse handed to me 'cuz I tend to get in way over my head (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I feel so lucky when I see only 1 or 2 nme cons ....
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Tried D-25 about week ago:
Two kills (Spits (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) and one assist (B-17) and still 2500rounds left in magazines (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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My three top fights ever in AH were all against P47s, on e I lost, low level co-E, one I won against pos-E Jug, me at 25000 feet and him at 27-28000, and the last vs mooj. The one against mooj was kind of special since I had dragged him away from the main fight (around 5 as I recall), and he was d1.6 on my six, following. I was pulling away slightly, and went into a steep vertical break. We ended up knifefighting in the vertical, then semivertical (sort of on the side (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ), and finally mooj ran out of power and stalled into the drink. I wish I'd gotten a few more bullets into him, only hit him a few times on one of the scissors. All were 1v1 fights vs competent jug pilots IMO. The fight I lost was against one of the 56th FG crew (sorry, forgot the name), and it was a D11. I just wasn't able to pull away from him, and snaprolled into the ground.
Lepht, about the supercharger gear: Yep, I pretty much never engage in a fight with anything around 15k. The charger changes stages around that alt, as you told me in another post. On the other hand, I tend to cruise around 27-28k, so I often have E-adv against most high alt birds, since I try to pull the fight down to 20-24k. BTW, the charger cuts out completely at 24500 feet. After that the pony is stuck at 40 man. Not fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But I digress. Congrats on the new Jug, gents. Hope you have some fun with it. I am glad we are seeing some new early war planes. I very much hope that the trend continues.
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2nd Lt. Hogni "Darling" Gylfason
332nd FG "Flying Mongrels"
143rd Pursuit Wing
(http://peterson.gm.is/img/darling_143.jpg)
[This message has been edited by darling (edited 05-29-2001).]
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Gotta say I like all the Jugs in AH. Usually fly the D25, however, took a spin in the D11 last night, and as I was chasing something or other all over at lo alt, a Nik snuck up on me. One of the 56th I believe called 6 2x, I looked back and couldn't see anything so kept chasing, when all of a sudden the NiK popped out of my blindspot and all I could do was yank the stick back to evade the shot. Needless to say teamies saved my butt.
After that little scare went back to D25, may have to work on the D11 more though.
1st run in AH in 2 months... 2 B17's, 1 D11, 1 190, 1 JU88, all in D25 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SKurj/Salvo
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I don't see what I said to crack you up, Frenchy, since I don't see any points I made about the P-47's abilities, only my experience in my own plane (the p51) versus this plane.
Didn't want to offend you Darling, I'm cracked up because most people say :"blahblah P47, eat alive blahblah" ... till they end up meeting a 56th veteran pilot and got shot down. Then they start to yell at you of all kind of names from cheater to wizzard passing by Salute.
But I agree with you though on the P51, it's a better plane than the D30. I could judge that versus a fight with Thunder who started at 25k and ended up just before I ran out of fuel.
It's always the same song Darling, no plane is easy meet when you find someone who knows how to fly it properly. Check my stats (too lazy to do it), I eat a lot of Ponies too, but from time to time I meet one guy who knows what's he doing and end up having a sweety fight.
Most of the time, when not in a furball I turnfight all the way to the deck if needed. Most of my deths are a results of an aircraft joining the fight and me still being low/slow. And as you known, in a P47, below 160 IAS, 1000ft, anything does anything better with more E (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) But that's what I love, so the heck with it.
<Ammo looking at Frenchy with a bad eye>...ohoh trouble!
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Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/sig-frenchy6.jpg) 63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
You may want to fly above this red light, Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier while flight instructing on short final runway 04 KMLB.
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 05-30-2001).]
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hehe French. no offence taken, just didn't want to be misunderstood. hell, I like the 56th, on of my fav squads. and it should say something that my 3 most fun fights in AH were all against P47s, even though I lost one of them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I rule.
1st Lt. Hogni "Darling" Gylfason
332nd FG "Flying Mongrels"
143rd Pursuit Wing
(http://peterson.gm.is/img/darling_143.jpg)
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I love how she handels,
But I HATE her Cockpit!
you CAN get the angels for the shot,
but you CAN'T hit the target!
dissapears alwayse... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)......it sux when you have 0.0001% gunnery with low frames rate.....
I just dont get it why the Icons Dissapear at all from your view when the img of the plane hides bihind the BARs.....I can understand the plane it self......but why the Nations/plane-type/distance Icone cuts out of the view? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
Seahawk.
[This message has been edited by Seahawk (edited 05-31-2001).]
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I think the P-47-D-R11 cockpit view is pretty accurate. Except we may be missing a rear view mirror. (Which has been discussed in the past and we can only hope some day in the future to have)
I asked a well loved P-47 pilot about what he could or could not see when in a cockpit. Tht never ending debate about six views, being strapped in and what they could and could not see. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Anyway, he has flown the Hurricane, P-38G, P-39's, several P-47 versions, the P-51 and several other types before moving on to jets in his post-war career with the USAF:
In regard to being strapped in and what he could see out
"As I recall, the seat belt was a wide webbed belt with a latch that would enclose the ends of the shoulder harness (two web straps). The seat belt was cinched up tight and sometimes might have to be tightened during the flight. The shoulder harness was the inertial type so that the pilot was free to lean forward. There was plenty of room for shoulder, neck and head turning to look behind, at least as far as the aircraft construction would allow, one reason I didn't like the Razor-back P-47. Of course, there was the rear view mirror.
One didn't bounce around in the cockpit once getting airborne, unless an 88
burst nearby....."
-Westy