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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Fuzzy on March 09, 2004, 06:11:32 AM
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Rules...
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Its a gun. Its goes boom.
(http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/78813/Taurus.bmp)
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no.
rules:
10+1.
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(http://products.berettausa.com/images/immagini_maxi/96_Inox_S_maxi.jpg)
Beretta is what I like better. Get the real thing!!!
96 Inox .40SW :D
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$300 more for a name? No thanks. I'll take "Licensed to manufacture identical pistol" without the "name" ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
$300 more for a name? No thanks. I'll take "Licensed to manufacture identical pistol" without the "name" ;)
You only live once. I have always wanted a Beretta and it will be the first pistol I buy. :) Now thats more of an emotional thing I guess as practically the Taurus is more sensible due to lower cost.
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It will do if you can't have anything else. If I owned one I would be looking to trade it to someone who used words like "rulz".
lazs
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Beretta's are garbage. More Stovepipes and FTF than any pistol I have fired.
I own the "Cadillac of Handguns" the Heckler & Koch USP .45
10+1.
Karaya
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cool mash... let's take your caddy out and shoot it at 200 yards with my antique 44. At 25 too if you like... if you feel I should have to use a .45 then I will switch to my Kimber eclipse custom.
lazs
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While I would take my Colt Gov't Model any day of the week, the true Caddy of semi-auto's is the Hi-Power. It may not be the fastest or most powerful, but very few "ride" better than it does.
:aok
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You would take a colt over a kimber? Can't figure that one out...
browning hi power.. big, heavy for the caliber... useless double action... not exceptionaly accurate. John Browning design tho. That is good enough. The hi power in .40 ain't too bad. It would do in a pinch.
lazs
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Kimbers are the best.
you get what you pay for.
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hmm... life sure is interesting.... I dissagree with dune on this yet find that the law group of personality dissorders agrees with me.
lazs
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Lasz,
It might help to know that the Colt I'm thinking of is my Series 70 that has been "smoothed up" by Jim Hoag. It also sports an oversized safety and has had the grip safety tacked down. I've had it for about 18 years now, so I've kinda gotten used to it :)
(http://www.hunt101.com/img/040351.jpg)
When it comes time to replace it (*shudder* at the thought), I'll probably go with a Kimber. Or perhaps a Springfield.
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Lazs, i'll have to show ya some pics of a commercail 1911 I just picked up for my personal colection from our store. Its a nice honest gun, has not been shrecked with or changed. Mfg date is 1924, the gun is about 90%. I paid 900 for it.
Also just took in but I haven't boughten yet, a gov't Issue 1911 mfg date 1918 with lots of goodies including original lanyard, 3 original mags, a 2 mag pouch. The guy wants 800 but will take 700 now. For that price I cant go wrong.
Fellow Gun Nut
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When it comes time to replace it (*shudder* at the thought), I'll probably go with a Kimber. Or perhaps a Springfield.
Unless you get an excellent deal on a used "loaded" springfield... Kimber is the way to go.
We sell and carry both... By FAR, kimber out sells both colt and springfield 8:1. Even kimber "bottom" end gun blows colts "bottom" end guns out of the water. The cant compete right now.
And lets face it. You pay more for a colt because it says "Colt" on the slide and frame. New or used...
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still rules...
though I am looking at SigPro in .40 for CCW. I think I'll get my wife one...
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Originally posted by lazs2
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browning hi power.. big, heavy for the caliber... useless double action... not exceptionaly accurate.
lazs
Browning HP are single action Lazs. The only fault in the design (dated back to 1935!) is the useless clip safety.
And accuracy is very good for a service pistol IMO.
I wouldn't give up a HP for 10 Berettas...
But I admit thatI prefer a Colt 1911 .45. I would love to try one of those Kimbers someday.
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(http://www.dbstaines.com/images/Handguns.jpg)
I had to have the trigger reworked in the FB Radom (Hi-Power 1939 - Poland), but it works well now. It's a little sloppy seeing as how it really hasn't been fired much in 65 years (sat in my grandfather's cellar).
I only fire reloads through the Beretta (.40)... I can't recall the last time I've had a stovepipe. The trigger pull is a bit long, and I do wish it were single action, but it fires well and reliably. The most stovepipes I've ever encountered was with a colt 45 match firing factory ammo. But then, that was 500 round at a time afternoons with constant firing. The most I put through the beretta in one sitting is 300 rounds.
The Taurus .357 kicks both the auto's tulips for accuracy. But it's not quite the point and click weapon that the autos are.
A friend fires the Taurus 9mm. It's a decent gun, but he did have to have the trigger reworked to get it as smooth as the Beretta.
MiniD
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guys... the hi power is a double action.. there are single action versions like the radom.
dune.. I have owned Colts and have shot some fancied up ones.. never ever NEVER seen one that was as finely machined as the stock Kimber eclipse custom and they all cost more and they would only feed certain bullets... the kimber has night sights, is black stainless, tight as a drum with checkered frontsrtap and shoots everything I run through it. Shoots from magazines that Colt guys throw away.
I trust that gun but... my 44 mag revolvers are the ones I really trust. They easily outshoot semi autos, are easy to reload for... don't throw brass all over the place and can hit out hundreds of yards. If something goes wrong with a load... pull the trigger again. For anything a pistol will work for I can't imagine needing more than 6 rounds or... not having time to reload after six 44's
lazs
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Lazs, if this is what you're talking about:
(http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Number1_files/image002.jpg)
...well it IS[/U] a single action gun. I carried 1 as service weapon for 3+ years , so I should know what I'm talking about. The trigger may look like a double action one, but it isn't.
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desely... what does double action and single action mean to you?
The high power you show a picture of is a double action in single action mode... the pictures of the Colt and radom are single actions.
double action means that you can cycle the hammer using the trigger.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
desely... what does double action and single action mean to you?
lazs
:lol
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For those that might be confused:
Single action: Pulling triger will only release the hammer if the hammer is cocked. It does nothing if the hammer is not cocked.
Double Action: Pulling the trigger will cok the hammer and release it (or just release hammer if it is cocked).
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Exactly. Single action trigger will let the hammer fall down on the firing pin, and nothing else.
The trigger of the Browning HP won't do anything when the hammer is down....how hard you pull on it doesn't matter.
Browning HP 1935 is a single action gun. Period.
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After a quick google search (hundreds of hits), I picked a page at random.
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/browningkingpin.htm (http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/browningkingpin.htm)
2nd paragraph on the page:
The BHP is a Single-Action only semi-automatic pistol. It has a basic magazine capacity of 13 rounds, and there are 20 round magazines available.
Maybe you are confusing with the CZ 75.
Browning made in the eighties a POS double-action pistol based upon the Hi-Power but from what I've heard and read about, it wasn't worth the money, and it hadn't much success (same story as the Colt Double Eagle I guess).
Here is the link:
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg104-e.htm (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg104-e.htm)
You'll quickly see the differences between the pics I posted first and this gun.
Check by yourself.
EDIT: If you've only tried a DA Browning, may I suggest you to put your hands on a 'real' browning HP (with the useless magazine safety removed if possible)... It's still a 9mm, but a damn fine one.
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I'm not sure... but was lazs just OWNED in a gun discussion? Cause if he was I just gotta go find hell and get the ski report.
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Screw random web sites... go to http://www.browning.com and find the HiPower owners manual (in .pdf) there. That should clear it up.
And MT... yes... you've read it right.
MiniD
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All the current production Browning hi powers here in the states are double action. Early models were single action. The one in the picture sure looks like a double action from the trigger.
lazs
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Read the manual lazs. Please.
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Wrong Lazs. Check the pdf manuals on Browning's website like MiniD suggested.
Besides a so-called DA HP has to be quite different mechanically from an original HP. I've never field disassembled a DA browning, but I know the real HP quite well, and I don't see how you can turn it into a DA gun without redesigning the whole mechanism. Browning used the High Power name on the DA version probably as a marketing move, but they are not a design of John Browning.
And if you give a look to the inners of a real HP, you'll quickly understand why I suggest to get rid of the magazine safety.
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Ya know what... I'm not gonna dance around this one. I'm wrong.
The original browning design was a single action. The gun I am thinking of is really just a varient of the hi power.. the BDA. About all you see is the BDA round here.. but... I was wrong. spoke too soon.
lazs
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NP Lazs. It's almost the only gun I know something about, and I wouldn't dare to discuss anything about revolvers or most other pistols with you.
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Nice to see some actual humility around here.
+1 for lazs.
Taurus Pt100 still rules.
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It was kinda pompous of me to contradict someone who carried one for so long...
again, sorry, I was wrong. Everyone just calls all the BDA's round here hi-powers... All the surplus ones I've seen and shot (not many but a few) were single action.
I made an incorrect assumption about a firearm that I was not very familiar with.
You don't get away with much on this board...
On a brighter note.... I just (two hours ago)picked out one of my new Makarov commie guns from a lot of four. I have to wait 10 days for it and.... get the other two (bought 3) doled out to me one a month (stupid California law)....
Soon I will be pretending to be a Makarov expert... hopefully, a little more subdued.
lazs
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Back :)
Lasz, I haven't shot a Kimber yet, so I can't comment on them personally. From yourself and others (including instructors at Gunsite) I've heard that they are high quality guns. So much so, that, as I said, I'll probably look to them first. However, after 15 years with my Colt, I'd trust it before anything else.
As to the Browning, I believe that some of the newer Hi-Powers may be coming out as double-action, but I was refering to the original Belgein FN Hi-Powers. Incredibly detailed and well-made weapons. My dad has two, one is a Canadian Inglis-made model with the grip slot for the stock and the other is an engraved Belguin Renaissance model that my grandparents bought him years ago:
(http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976313695-1.jpg)
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good Lord. is that a gun or something you wear on a chain around your neck.
I'm a fan of the HI-power but who ever did that to that gun needs to know when to stop tricking it out. I've seen teh local mexican gangsters driving cars with less flash than that.
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Lazs,
I'm in touch with a local FFL dealer and I'm going to order a Markov. But before I do, you mentioned in another thread being able to pay 10.00 more for a hand selected one, and now hand selecting one yourself. Just curious, I would like to get a "good" one if I can. I was thinking about going through AIMPISTOLS. I thought that was your source too.
I'm used to either dealers or inheriting my weapons so this is new to me. Those Mauser K-98s they have look cool too. And a Nagant for $50.00. My wife would kill me if I just started buying a bunch of cheap surplus guns right about now though.
Charon
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
good Lord. is that a gun or something you wear on a chain around your neck.
I'm a fan of the HI-power but who ever did that to that gun needs to know when to stop tricking it out. I've seen teh local mexican gangsters driving cars with less flash than that.
Oh, there's a lot of guadiness to it. In my dad's defense, he didn't pick it out. However, you just have to overlook the flash and admire it for the craftsmanship that went into the engraving. The scrollwork is amazing. Needless to say, it spends most of its time in the safe, although it does shoot very well. ;)
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If I remember correctly, the early (80's?) Browning BDA's were actually SigSauer P220's types.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
good Lord. is that a gun or something you wear on a chain around your neck.
I'm a fan of the HI-power but who ever did that to that gun needs to know when to stop tricking it out. I've seen teh local mexican gangsters driving cars with less flash than that.
I've seen many engraved guns... Alot are bad, but the best engravers can take a plane jane gun and turn it into a 10,000 dollar work of art. My favorites are some of the old Colt SAA's nearly covered with elaborate scroll work but done so nicely the gun seems to have grown like that.
I own one engraved gun. It is a Merkle Double Rilfe in 9.3x74. This is one of my pride and joys of my collection. Its different than the old Winchester rilfes, the SAA Colts, 1911's ect. It has class, and is done in 100% pure taste. At the Shot Show in LasVegas this past month, I was able to play with a Merkle double in 500 Nitro. New for this year. It is my next goal to aquire one of these fine doubles. If I am lucky enough to get on the waiting list...:D
Here's a few pics of the Merkle that I have... I'm sorry if the pics are a bit big.
(http://[img]http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/272_1079015679_Merkle Set.jpg)[/IMG]
(http://[img]http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/272_1079015646_Merkle Receiv.jpg)[/IMG]
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Beautiful gun.
:eek:
This winter I go to hold a Holland & Holland double that was in .470 Nitro. I didn't know what was worse; the fear I'd drop it or the fear I wouldn't be able to let it go :)
BTW, if you've never been there, head over to http://www.accuratereloading.com It's a website devoted to shooting and hunting. There are many double rifle fans there. Most of the people in the forums are very knowledgable.
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kewl site. Thanks.
Yeah I have a few Rifles... Pre-64 Winchesters are among my most favorite... Although they are among the most faked out there unfortunetly. So one needs to really be cautious when buying one. If it is a "parts gun", alot of the times you can tell. Then on the other hand some are so well put together its near imposible to tell if it is original form or has been put together.
Colts are probably the most pricey of them all. Take a Colt SAA issued in 1878 to the army. That gun now can bring in poor condition 4000 dollars or more... I dont even want to think about the prices of a near Mint one.
I am not a collector by any means. I have quite a few guns, but its by no means a collection in comparison to some of the bigger gun collectors I've met here on the East coast and become very good friends with. I was lucky enough to have grown up in and around the gun bissness. The most important rule i've found in buying and looking for that right gun is it pays to be patient.
I'll shut up now. I eat sleep and breath guns. Getting me talking about them is the last thing you all want lol...
all
Jeff/Morpheus
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MoRphEuS, dude, resize them pics. the dial-up guys are hating you.
nice guns though.
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I think you'll find some fellow "gun nuts" here.
My dad and I used to be into military firearms, mostly WW2. Had several full auto's. Now we're spending most of our money on hunting rifles and such. With a few pistols and military arms thrown in for balance :D
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
MoRphEuS, dude, resize them pics. the dial-up guys are hating you.
nice guns though.
lol sowwy :(
I was in a hurry before... Dinner was ready and I was getting ack ack from girlfriend eeek!
Very bad ack you know....
I wish I could show all of my guns off to you guys hehe... there is something about guns, those who love them and apreciate a fine rifle or pistol know what I'm talking about... Not the new guns you can buy today. I mean the old ones, the ones that wreak of history. "If this gun could talk".... WW2 guns are nice, I have a few, everyone gun nut should have a few... I really like Pre WW1 or ealier... Sharps and Spencer carbines and muskets are among my most favorite. ahhh the list could go on and on...
And among all this buying guns crap, I still love to build my own...
Im just nearly done with a Ruger No1 I have been building...
No1 Action color case hardend by Doug Turnbul, 34' octagon barrle from C Shars that I chamberd in 45-120.
Here is a pic of it... Its the 2nd one from left... Its almost done
Left to right, Ruger No1 in 458 Win Mag, The one im building, A lil ruger 77/22 that I built, A pre-64 Winchester Mod 70 in 270, lil old Remington Rolling Block and the last one is a Remington 700 Classic in 35 Whelen (700 Classic is only chamberd in one caliber a year from remington) I have no clue why i took this pic but it shows the big one so I'll just post it hehe...
(http://[img]http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/272_1079014761_Rugers ect.JPG)[/IMG]
This is the No1 action after I got it back from case coloring and just after I put it back together :D
(http://[img]http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/272_1079015222_No1 Frame.jpg)[/IMG]
I hope these Pics are alot smaller than the 2 before... :(
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charon... I just looked at the 3 Makarovs that I ordered.. they are from SOG in Wa. I got handpicks and as best I can tell... they are unfired and coated in cosmoline... they have a black target style grip but come with the red star bakelite grip in the box along with two serial numberd mags and a cleaning rod/takedown tool.. the workmanship is very good finish is nice.
dune... that is a very pretty browning. Some of the finest engraving ever done has been on firearms.
Hoolign... help me out here... I shot hooli's browning enough and it is a .40 of recent manufacture. It looks like any hi power I coulda swore it was double action but I am not gonna say.. Guess I didn't pay enough attention to the gun at the time.
lazs
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It's single action you senile toothless reactionary.
Hooligan
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Originally posted by lazs2
cool mash... let's take your caddy out and shoot it at 200 yards with my antique 44. At 25 too if you like... if you feel I should have to use a .45 then I will switch to my Kimber eclipse custom.
lazs
NP, I only spoke out against the Beretta, but your stubborness is rearing it's ugly head.
Yawn
Karaya
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Thanks Hooli... shoulda paid more attention.
sorry mash/kara ... thought you said the HK was the caddilac of "handguns". not.... "better than a berreta".
lazs
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It is on both accounts. Out.
Karaya
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HK is fine but it is no more of a "cadillac" than a sig or a Kimber or a Glock...
lazs