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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nefarious on March 09, 2004, 12:34:19 PM
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It could be a reality in California. Link from Yahoo News...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040309/ap_on_re_us/teen_voters_1
SACRAMENTO, Calif. - A proposed amendment to California's constitution would give 16-year-olds a half-vote and 14-year-olds a quarter-vote in state elections.
State Sen. John Vasconcellos, among four lawmakers to propose the idea on Monday, said the Internet, cellular phones, multichannel television and a diverse society makes today's teens better informed than their predecessors.
The idea requires two-thirds approval by the Legislature to appear on the November ballot.
"When we gave the vote to those who didn't own property, then to women, then to persons of all colors, we added to the richness of our democratic dialogue and our own nation's integrity and its model for the world," Vasconcellos said, calling it time to further extend the vote.
A Republican colleague said it was "the nuttiest idea I've ever heard."
Said Assemblyman Ray Haynes: "There's a reason why 14-year-olds and 16-year-olds don't vote. They are not adults. They are not mature enough. They are easily deceived by political charlatans."
Student supporters said the idea could give them a say in issues such as education funding and bring new voices to the California electorate.
"If we could vote, politicians would see us as votes, not just kids, and they would take our issues seriously," said Robert Reynolds, a student at Berkeley High School.
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Whats everyone take on this?
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(http://www.tzaddik.us/mtstatic/images/arnold.jpg)
No pubic hair, no vote.[/i]
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:rofl LOL Libs - sometimes they do or say the funniest/dumbest comments :D
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they know the younger the softer in the head and more likely to vote handsomehunkcrat
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Think of the children!
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Carried to the extreme, what is next? Voting in vitro??
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
(http://www.tzaddik.us/mtstatic/images/arnold.jpg)
No pubic hair, no vote.[/i]
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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young people are generally too stupid to vote.
when I was 18 I was actually dumb enough to vote for reagan.
(one of the things I am most ashamed of in my life)
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14 or fight!
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Who gives a chit, it's California?
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
young people are generally too stupid to vote.
when I was 18 I was actually dumb enough to vote for reagan.
(one of the things I am most ashamed of in my life)
I was dumb enough to NOT vote for him the first time. He'll be remembered in our history books as one of the greatest presidents whether you like it or not.
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getr em to vote for higher taxes before they have the ability to reason.
course... some never learn no matter how old... they usually have big bald spots and little grey pony tails.
lazs
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Its fairly obvious Cal is trying to make voting look 'cool' to the newest generation. If a state can get 80% of their voting base to the polls each election its guaranteed politicians will cater to that state.
I agee though, most 14-16 year olds know more about their music than about politics, much less history.
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Dumbest ****ing idea I have heard in years, hell 18 may be to young with the liberal brain washing they get in public schools now.
If this went nation wide we would be doomed.
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Originally posted by Udie
:rofl LOL Libs - sometimes they do or say the funniest/dumbest comments :D
John Vasconcellos is actually a democrat, not a Libertarian.
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No surprise the Dems want to give the vote to the MTV crowd.
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Originally posted by ra
No surprise the Dems want to give the vote to the MTV crowd.
(http://www.ananova.com/images/entertainment/clinton_saxAP342x500.jpg)
Yeah I know... Im on a picture kick today.
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If their old and smart enough to vote, then their old enough to smoke, drink, have full driving rights, join the Army and have sex with anyone over the age of 18, no questions asked.
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stupidest idea ive ever heard...what next? letting 12 year olds drive:lol
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Originally posted by vorticon
stupidest idea ive ever heard...what next? letting 12 year olds drive:lol
no just illegal immigrants...
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"There's a reason why 14-year-olds and 16-year-olds don't vote. They are not adults. They are not mature enough. "
Unless they commit a crime, in which case they can be considered adults?
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Never ceases to amaze me what some people will do. This IDEA is TARDSVILLE..............
Reporter asks...."WHo is the Govenor of this state?"
14 year old replies..."Huh...like..he's the guy that like..was huh..like..the huh..like..the Terminator Dude...you know..the Ill be back dude..he was coool in that movie"
Reporter asks 16 year old same question....
16 year old replies..."Like I'm not really sure what his name is..but his wife is definatly boneable..Like she is hot..I'd vote for him just to see her on the news..Like she is HOT!"
Legalized marajuana useage for alllll people over the age of 10 in California passes today by one of the closest votes in history....
540,000 against
540,000 2/3 for
1 16 year old and a 14 year old clear the way for the state to get stoned
Yeah give em all the right to vote. Maybe just Maybe a vote will come up for California to succeed and it will pass by a lone 14 year olds vote.:rofl
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Well being a prepared young adult is very important in todays complicated world.
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"540,000 against
540,000 2/3 for
1 16 year old and a 14 year old clear the way for the state to get stoned "
Ummm, what's 1/2 plus 1/4 again?
;)
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Ummm, what's 1/2 plus 1/4 again?
0.75...
2/3 is 0.66
trick with voting is unlike porn,drinking,smoking and sex, teens dont go through great lengths to start doing it at 14
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"there are 10 types of people in this world...those who understand binary and those who do not "
Always get a chuckle from this.
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The stupidness of this thread far exceeds that of any stupid thread to come before it and will shadow any thread after it with its stupidness.
Kids voting? Please! Give me a break... ROFL
Who would they vote into office first? Barney or one of the Power Rangers? WAIT I GOT IT! How about Leonardo fromt he Ninja Turtels!?! Yep thats got to be it!
You guys need to think of something a little better to talk about than children having the right to vote. :rolleyes:
How about... Yeah i got it! Giving house pets the ability to obtain a drivers licence! Thats a topic that will strain your intelect for days to come:D
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teh idea is stoopid!
better we stay with our ASB or school elections
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To play devils advocate, many people made the same arguments when the voting age was reduced from 21 to 18. Why is this different?
Talk amongst yourselves....
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at the time 18 year olds where being drafted, and being killed. IMO (and the prevailing opinion of the day)it is unreasonable to ask someone to die for policies they have no voice in.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
To play devils advocate, many people made the same arguments when the voting age was reduced from 21 to 18. Why is this different?
Talk amongst yourselves....
Don't you think there's a line that if crossed, would put us firmly into the realm of absurdity?
On another note, if we're talking about assigning more responsibility to the most irresponsible demographic, why not lower the age to buy alcohol and the age of consent while we're at it?
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Originally posted by majic
"540,000 against 540,000 2/3 for 1 16 year old and a 14 year old clear the way for the state to get stoned "
Ummm, what's 1/2 plus 1/4 again?
;)
I'm pretty sure it's 42! ;)
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Originally posted by SOB
I'm pretty sure it's 42! ;)
Douglass Adams Dweeb:)
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18 and above to vote.
Unless you are in the military. If you're old enough to die for this country, you're old enough to vote for this country. Same goes with drinking. Except 21 base age.
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Originally posted by Pei
Unless they commit a crime, in which case they can be considered adults?
An excellent point!
...not that I agree that 12 year-olds should be allowed to vote. I don't believe that they should ever be tried as adults.
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Try an INDIVIDUAL for the crime they commited. Age shouldn't be used as a get out of jail free card.
Allowing kids to vote? Bad Idea.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
An excellent point!
...not that I agree that 12 year-olds should be allowed to vote. I don't believe that they should ever be tried as adults.
like the punk arse in DC?
his little "child" arse should fry with his buddy, instead, even though he pulled the trigger and scattered brains/ruined lives for 3 weeks in Oct, he will get life
or maybe he'll "grow up" and be a good person and allowed a second chance ... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
at the time 18 year olds where being drafted, and being killed. IMO (and the prevailing opinion of the day)it is unreasonable to ask someone to die for policies they have no voice in.
Yes...but keep in mind their still to young to have a cold beer.
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This can only pave the way for worse (and typically, more liberal) policies in the long run...whats next? 14 year olds driving? Drinking age being lower to 16? 12 year olds buying cigarettes...?
With California's current budget deficit, you can't help but wonder how appealing these ideas might sound to their left-wing legislature.
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I thought it was already required to be under 18 to vote in Kalifornia.