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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hajo on March 09, 2004, 04:13:43 PM
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Installed it.....no problems. Aded 20 new planes including Ta152H, P51 Series, P38L and the YP80, Mistel,HO-229, Fiat G50, Ki-84 and A6 Zero.
3 environments Ardennes, Normandy and a special Pac online map
10 new cooperative multiplayer missions.
7 new Al aircraft unflyable Finnish Gloster Gladiators, Hawk 75 Fiat CR42...B-17s and German V1 Rockets.
All look good.
Best boxed Sim I've seen to date!
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American planes porked by that Commie again.
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Are you joking? American rides are great.
The P51s really are the cadillac of the skies. The P38 has incredible zoom. The P63C is a P39 on crack. Can you say 1800HP + 37mm?
The P80 is also very fun to fly.
Ace Expansion Pack is golden... I'm going to have loads of fun once some more AEP rooms open up in Hyperlobby.
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P-47 roll porked.
p-38 roll porked.
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Oct......soon as I get a map setup on IL2FB....I'll be online.
Is ther anything I need to download from UBI to facilitate the online gaming experience?
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AEP's about the most excellent flight sim I've seen these days.
Aside from a few quirks, it's terrific.
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Yup AEP is uber
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Hajo, I don't quit follow :) Everything you need comes in the box at the moment. A patch is in the works that will add a few more a/c.
Have you ever used hyperlobby?
http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/modules.php?name=Downloads
Get the client and follow the instructions to set it up. Neat little gathering place... and it's never empty.
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Don't bother with Honky, he's a tard. Just reads the UBI tard boards and recites their tard comments because its the tard gospel which all tards like himself must follow to achieve ultimate tardism.
-SW
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Octavious thanks.....dloaded Hyperlobby, will install it.
Can't seem to get my throttle axis working...or my pedals.
Both USB Pro THrottle and Pro Pedals.
Will play with them some more.....got the buttons on the throttle
programed ok....but the throttle axis doesn't seem to work.
Using Control Manger 1.31
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Only two gripes with IL2 FB - only 32 planes to a room in hyperlobby and there seem to be only 3 rooms with full realistic flight model on......ok 3 gripes in sim vox sucks.....
Wish that the boys from Maddox, AH and FA get together and set up the Monster Sim - hell I'd pay for the best all three could bring to the party.....
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FA? Well, really - there isn't anything that development team can bring that Maddox and HTC couldn't do together.
-SW
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IL2's eye candy would kill any mmog, FA's on the other hand works if you have a reasonably decent machine and they have a good selection of a/c from all 5 major combatants.
So I'd take
IL2's gunnery and flight model
AH user interface (cockpit views especially) and mapping ability
Fa's plane set and eye candy
wish we'd get complex engine management in AH2 and no icons for enemy a/c and no map icons......have spent a week in IL2 with Big Isles being on in MA - Greater Green has more peeps online than CT does these days.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
IL2's eye candy would kill any mmog
Why? At the moment, AH2 beta needs a faster computer to run at the same frame rates as IL2FB. IL2FB runs great even with a 1.5GHz rig using medium-high settings. Atleast on my P4-2.53GHz/Radeon9700Pro, AH2 doesnt run as well. Sure, its a beta, but still!
I dont buy this "good graphics = bad mmog" ticket. Does IL2FB simply have a much better optimized graphics engine than most other flight sims? Combined with HTCs network code...that would rock... :)
Camo
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Not trying to **** on your game (FA), but... their eye candy really has nothing on Il2's, Il2:FB's or especially AEP's. Basically in every department - especially the 3D models of aircraft.
I'm not really up-to-date on FA's planeset, but I believe that while AEP doesn't have a few of the popular planes (mostly Pacifc - F4U, F4F, Ki27, Ki43 and a few others) - it still has a vast selection... many that you'll not find anywhere else.
Thats why I think it would only be HTC and Maddox combined to create the ultimate WW2 MMP game.
-SW
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Well if graphics isn't an issue for mmog then why is AH or AH2 even happy with what is very poor graphics when far better is available out there?
I agree btw that FA is lagging far behind the gameplay and realism that AH and IL2 provide - was playing IL2 offline yesterday and it is amazing - it's offline mode is better than most online runs you get these days.
If IL2 ever went mmog I'd be there in a heartbeat.
I like having to set the mixture on the engine and open the radiator and set the prop pitch and worry about the 2nd stage turbo charger......map readingwithout an icon is still a bit of a challenge but a lot of fun.....got hopeless ly lost and when I saw this factory for the 3rd time finally realised I was going in a large circle.
From a business view I'd have thought that collaboration between the big three or maybe four flight sims would be a good idea - rather than compete for a relatively small customer base.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
P-47 roll porked.
p-38 roll porked.
lol total BS the p47 in FB handles better than the P51 in AH - very crisp very clean, fast as hell, awesome guns.
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To the tard fanboys on this board.
Until that Russian-French axis of evil decides to give the US planes thier due I fell its my duty to call them out on it. It no coincidence that:
1) The P-47 cockpit suxs
2) The P-80 cockpit suxs
3) The P-51 B&C cockpits sux
I took a P-47 and a stuka up to 30k in the "quick mission builder" and the freaking STUKA OUTRAN and OUTROLLED me.
AND THE WORST SIN OF ALL!!! THE AXIS OF EVIL PUT A P-51 ON THE COVER OF THE ACES EXPANSION BOX AND DIDN'T GIVE US AN AMERICAN CAMPAIGN !!!!!!!!!!! WTF ?????
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Well....best graphics I've seen in a boxed flight sim IL2FB and AEP win hands down.
Flight models on any flight sim take getting used to. A lot harder to land clean in AEP then in AH. So....depends on how much one plays and how fast they get used to the FM.
Selection of aircraft...AEP has them all whippped. Hell I fly Axis planes, find a FW190A9 in any other sim. And at least they have the Ki84.
My post was not to start a pissing war.....just to mention the fact that IL2FB and AEP are both quality products and well worth your hard earned dollars IMHO if you like flight sims.
As far as MMOG AH wins hands down....no contest, that also MHO.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Thats why I think it would only be HTC and Maddox combined to create the ultimate WW2 MMP game.
-SW
The low speed FM in il2FB is like sticks in mud, it makes no sense.
Maddox would give no watermelon about HTC's no nonsense approach to choices on quality, and would probably do something like EA games did to the West brothers on WSC aka Racing Legends.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
To the tard fanboys on this board.
Until that Russian-French axis of evil decides to give the US planes thier due I fell its my duty to call them out on it. It no coincidence that:
...snipped cry baby whine...
You do know that design specs for this sim have been reviewed by the highest French and Russian authorities, US hardware thus being properly dumbed down for propaganda reasons, as part of a master plan for world domination.
We thought about renaming fries and mustard too, and use the hype created to draw attention away from our intelligence and foreign policy failures but we thought it would be seen as childish and stupid by the rest of the world, so we targeted the sim community instead...
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My only hobby in this world is being dominated by a Franco-Russian alliance set on rewriting history.
GRAPEVINE- HURRY UP WITH AHII !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I dunno, I flew the P-51D and the P-47's in IL:FB. The P-47 handled like a big wet ****, but the P-51 was good.
I'll probably buy Aces today and waste a couple days playing it.
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Shut up tard, go back to finger painting in your WWII coloring book.
-SW
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
My only hobby in this world is being dominated by a Franco-Russian alliance set on rewriting history.
GRAPEVINE- HURRY UP WITH AHII !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so say a man from the country wich produce tons of inacurates "historical " movies ... insert mega-rollesyes here
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Yea, true Russo-French conspiracy, shows also beauce AEP is out in Europe two weeks later than in the US :(
Anyway, Il2FB is different than AH so that it insists on historical accuracy. Rarely you find 109s fighting 190s, and if you stick to servers like greatergreen, you will enjoy greater "realism":
- no icons (except friendly and only at very close ranges to ID the pilot)
- no map icons (you have to use landmarks, sun or clouds to find your way over the map)
- complex engine management (if you are profficient, you can squeeze out more hp, but risks are also greater
- complex damage model and more accurate gunnery (bullet penetration, ricochets, ammo mixes)
- historical cockpits
With TrackIR, this sim is a winner, IMHO. AH has only one thing going for it - being MMOG. Other than that, it pales in comparison.
Finally the Spitfire is in Il2FB (AEP) and guess what - even clipped wing version ! Not to mention numerous versions of 109s, 190s, Yaks, LaGGs, Las, P-51s, 3 P-47s and 2 P-38s. And exotic stuff like Go 229 or YP-80.
Did I mention eye candy ? Somehow I feel few people here believe that poor eye candy is a sign of a "serious sim", and because FB looks so good, it can't be serious ;)
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1) The P-47 cockpit suxs
2) The P-80 cockpit suxs
3) The P-51 B&C cockpits sux
I took a P-47 and a stuka up to 30k in the "quick mission builder" and the freaking STUKA OUTRAN and OUTROLLED me.
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Maybe you suck, Honky.
How can anyone be outran, outrolled by a Stuka in a P-47.. is beyond me..
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
I took a P-47 and a stuka up to 30k in the "quick mission builder" and the freaking STUKA OUTRAN and OUTROLLED me.
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News flash: the AI cheats :D
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Originally posted by Fishu
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News flash: the AI cheats :D
No surprise here : it's a franco-russian AI :p
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Originally posted by Fishu
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News flash: the AI cheats :D
LOL
Really, how can ppl still believe in QMB comparisons? When ppl will finally understand that the AI fly with a simplified FM? The developers say that the average CPU cannot handle a full FM for every AI controlled aircraft ... I ask: not even for a 1vs1 fight? Hmmmm :rolleyes:
BTW, if you wanna compare the IL-2 FB a/c, then fly online.
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Hello Brainwashed Tard Fanboys,
My point about going to 30k in a P-47 vs a Stuka is that the high altitude FM's in FB's suck. The p-47- with its 2 stage supercharger should just be getting warmed up at 30k. Hell- thats the reason why the P-47 is such a fat pig. That's the point of the P-47. High alt performance and FB's misses the mark. I think that pasty skinned COMMIE said something like - "the second stage supercharger wasn't installed on the varients shipped to Russia"... or something like that. So you give us a p-47- with the worst cockpit of all the planes- then cut its banana off in the FM.
+ all of the VVS fluff which was exposed by directly extracting performance data from the sim.
Thats why- even with with its 1997 graphics and its "high maintenance" owner- AH is still the best bet.
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Done eating your finger paints? Why don't you start on the glue, I'm sure the other special people in your special class found its quite tasty.
-SW
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At 30kft, the supercharger only adds for the speed, it doesn't make it do any wonderful maneuvers up there.
You'll be like a dart up there.
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Some stuff I still don't like much about IL2.
-The views. Oh man, they are absolutely horrible. The cockpits look extraordinary... but all of them have bars that just get in the way. Since you can't move your view position, they just stay in the way. No 6 view (or 5 view or 7 view)... you can't even TRY to look to see whats behind you. That sucks, and I wish it was different.
-The FM is weird. A lot of the time it seems similar to AH, but at low speed it is considerably different. At high speed it seems much different too. Planes don't seem to bleed off speed as fast in IL-2 as they do in AH, I like AH's way better. On the other hand, it is possible to take a P-38 and fly (with full control) at 60 kph. At least I think it is in kph. I don't think that is actually possible, is it? Don't recall off the top of my head what the P-38s stall speed was... but 60 kph is like 40 mph or something.
Things I really really like about IL2
-Man, it is gorgeous.
-The clouds are done much better in IL-2 than in AH, they are cute and fund :).
-The planes seem to be a lot tougher in IL-2. Most of them can take a beating before they actually crash, you'll lose parts and stuff, but the plane rarely "breaks up" like it does in AH.
All in all, if someone could show me a way to get the in-cockpit view system to something approaching useful, I'd probably play it at least as much as I play AH.
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To check your 6, just use rudder and long turns. In the real war, thats how pilots checked their 6 - they'd skid or do a lazy s. Some planes also have rear view mirrors, mostly the American planes.
Check your difficulty settings Urchin, I can't get the P38 below 160kph without it stalling with flaps out.
-SW
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I've mapped all views to my CH HOTAS in AEP.....only thing I don't have is direct 6, but when u do look direct 6 your head is further to the right in the cockpit.
All up views programed by mapping 5 on a single button, and pushing 6 on the POV and 5 mapped on the throttle button gives me an up to the right look, as well as front right, front right up etc.
No problems mapping the views at all.
The problem I have in mapping with Control Manager is this.
Aileron Trim uses in conjuntion Control...which is no problem but right arrow and left arrow are not understood by Control Manager....
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AKSWULF-
I'm no tard. I have a Ph'd in VCR repair. I have written numerous papers and have done ground breaking work in Rewinding theory. I’m working on a unified theory of rewinding , pausing and scratching (oneself). I also testify in court cases involving VCR accidents.
Please submit your credentials.
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Whats the matter? Glue wasn't as satisfying as the finger paints?
-SW
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Urchin......I have a CH HOTAS setup all USB.
If ya want I can send you the Map.
All views mapped....the up views are two button commands.
Up being mapped on the pro throttle, and direction views mapped on the CHF16 Combat Stick. Simple matter of using two buttons for up views only.
Lord help me! I love AEP! It starts to get "DIM", not dark in AH and it gives me an excuse to hop in a 110G2 in AEP, destroy a few bridges and blast a couple IL2s using the quick mission builder.
Wish there was a way of taking screen shots in AEP. If there is I don't know of any!
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Originally posted by Urchin
Some stuff I still don't like much about IL2.
-The views. Oh man, they are absolutely horrible. The cockpits look extraordinary... but all of them have bars that just get in the way. Since you can't move your view position, they just stay in the way. No 6 view (or 5 view or 7 view)... you can't even TRY to look to see whats behind you. That sucks, and I wish it was different.
That’s why you need track IR or that the cheaper mouse look / web cam deal or the new view program.
Before I got track ir I used the mini JS on my ch pro throttle along with hat and had np at all tracking bad guys. The problem is with how some planes "show up" against the terrain. So like yaks become invisible against the terrain.
The FM is weird. A lot of the time it seems similar to AH, but at low speed it is considerably different. At high speed it seems much different too. Planes don't seem to bleed off speed as fast in IL-2 as they do in AH, I like AH's way better. On the other hand, it is possible to take a P-38 and fly (with full control) at 60 kph. At least I think it is in kph. I don't think that is actually possible, is it? Don't recall off the top of my head what the P-38s stall speed was... but 60 kph is like 40 mph or something.
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To the "e" bleed thing. You must be referring to when you fight AI. Folks aren’t exaggerating when they say "AI cheats". There’s a simple routine for all AI planes. They can stop and go much better then any human pilot.
Things I really really like about IL2
-Man, it is gorgeous.
-The clouds are done much better in IL-2 than in AH, they are cute and fund :).
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Yeah IL2 looks much better then AH.
-The planes seem to be a lot tougher in IL-2. Most of them can take a beating before they actually crash, you'll lose parts and stuff, but the plane rarely "breaks up" like it does in AH.
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I remember the first time I fly the original IL2 and hit an Il2 in the wing 3cm. I couldn’t believe it didn’t go down. I went and watched the track and the round actually went completely through the wing and exploded on the opposite side. I remember fighting a p40 in a 202 and seeing watch looked like rounds "bouncing" off the fuselage. Add in the a complex damage model overall and the fact that the different rounds (belting) are modeled and there are very rarely kills where the plane simple falls apart.
Dead 6 shots absurd lots ammo where planes form and angle off shots are more effective because you can aim at vital components. Take the il2 for instance the best way to kill one is go for its oil cooler underneath.
All in all, if someone could show me a way to get the in-cockpit view system to something approaching useful, I'd probably play it at least as much as I play AH.
Are you using a hat switch? If can try track IR, if not download the program "new view" and take the time to get it set up. Do you have a ch pro throttle? set up the mini js for pan view.
Honky,
Do you have a track of that 30K stuka? I suspect you are either full of it of like kweassa says, "You just suck."
Check your difficulty settings Urchin, I can't get the P38 below 160kph without it stalling with flaps out.
Same about 160kmh
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Hajo - the Print Screen key takes screen shots for you and will place the screenshots in the Forgotten Battles main folder as grab****.tga.
Everytime you close down the game and restart it, taking screenshots again will overwrite the ones in the folder because the counter for the screenshots is reset.
-SW
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Askwulf-
don't you find it a bit strange that a P-51's on the cover of the Ace's expansion pack but it includes no American campaign?
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Originally posted by Hajo
Urchin......I have a CH HOTAS setup all USB.
If ya want I can send you the Map.
All views mapped....the up views are two button commands.
Up being mapped on the pro throttle, and direction views mapped on the CHF16 Combat Stick. Simple matter of using two buttons for up views only.
Lord help me! I love AEP! It starts to get "DIM", not dark in AH and it gives me an excuse to hop in a 110G2 in AEP, destroy a few bridges and blast a couple IL2s using the quick mission builder.
Wish there was a way of taking screen shots in AEP. If there is I don't know of any!
http://www.howiesfunware.com/ free screen capture software...note to make it work it has o be running and minimised.
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It's fairly well known that the FB hi-alt model is porked, you just have to deal with it. 90% of online fights are below 10k anyway.
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No, because I already knew the campaign was a seperate package that had to be purchased. The only area of operations for the US is the small Normandy map, small Ardennes forest map, and small Hungarian map. It has to be a pretty piss poor campaign without larger areas of Europe modelled.
I play online anyway, which is what most of the AEP planes were intended for.
-SW
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The FB high alt FM is fine up to 10000m (32808 Ft). I have flown regularly at 6000-8000m and noticed no oddities. Above 10k meteres there may be some issues, just like in AH. But who cares no one ever flies that high anyway.
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Originally posted by Hajo
The problem I have in mapping with Control Manager is this.
Aileron Trim uses in conjuntion Control...which is no problem but right arrow and left arrow are not understood by Control Manager....
Are you still using that old version of Control Manager? Version 3 is available here (http://ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/CHCMv3i.exe) at CH's Control Manager page (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/tech_controlmanager.html). Control Manager does'nt recognise the arrow keys as a keypress you have to type in the key using the correct names as specified in the Control Manager manual which comes with the above download. In regard to the arrow keys the Control Manager names for these keys are:
Keyboard Down Arrow = KBDOWN
Keyboard Left Arrow = KBLEFT
Keyboard Right Arrow = KBRIGHT
Keyboard Up Arrow = KBUP
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Revvin...thnks loads. I also dloaded the Maps that you made for IL2.
I did install after dloading cntrl mngr 3 and had one helluva time getting everything setup properly. Methinks on Win2K you have to first unplug the USB devices and then plug them back in when the PC is up. I left them plugged in as the directions stated and got in a world of hurt.
Revvin thanks for taking the time and effort in making these maps available. I boogered with the maps and made them almost exactly the way I have AH mapped. Made it quite easy!
Thanks again!
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found some nice films/movies here:
http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Videos/index-2.html
the first one is real good
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Yep Eagler the "Legend - the bf109" is a joy to watch.
Must admit I brought FB long time ago but never got around to playing it, I saw that video and thought damn better get it loaded up, and have not stopped playing FB since:).
In full realistic mode online "lose sight, lose the fight" is so true :) .
Both games have got their pro's and con's enjoy the games for what they are.
RGJ
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Batz, Hristo....what's Track IR?
Software? Hardware?
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Originally posted by Hajo
Batz, Hristo....what's Track IR?
Software? Hardware?
Both: it consists of an IR detector and the drivers and mapping software. You stick a reflective dot on your forehead (or on a cap or similar) and the detector tracks it's movements and drives the mouse pointer off them. When combined with mouse look it allows your head movements to control your point of view in a very natural way.
It was originally created for handicapped people but has purpose built game control mapping software now.
I personally gave up on it: most of the time it was great but it occasionaly got stuck in awkward angles and I found it very difficult to keep it steady during gunnery. Lots of people have been very happy with it though and I haven't tried the latest version (track IR 2).
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http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/
It kicks bellybutton np what so ever with. Best thing for air combat since the hotas.
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At first there were problems with TrackIR, because it used to emulate the mouse (so called relative mode). This is what Pei seems to be referring to. It was easier to lose track, and after that you usually had to recenter the device (by pushing a keyboard or joystick button).
Later versions of software introduced advanced mode (so called absolute). Here the control is much better, you don't lose the track easy - and even if you do, there are no problems once the track is reestablished (the centering button is still here, if needed). Also, this mode allows for customized response curves, which give you steadier movement near the gunsight, for example.
Next thing is TrackIR 2, an improved device with better tracking, mainly due to it working at 100Hz, instead at 60Hz of original TrackIR (1).
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Hmm..
I've seen people say the AI cheats, or has a simplified FM.
But I've been in the UBI forums since the days of IL-2 demo, and I've never heard any official word from anyone that the AI cheats. IIRC, Oleg himself has said the AI does not used simplified or 'cheat' FM.. :o
I've never seen anything the AI do that a human player cannot counter/reproduce.. the only exception is their incredible responsiveness in -G inputs, and the ability to manage damaged planes(for instance, a human player would have a hard time countering a drooping wing from damaged surfaces .. he has to counter it with the exact amount of opposite aileron input in every maneuver he does - but the AI of courses, maintains perfect balance in his inputs. However, I've seen even AI planes fail in that and suddenly fall out of control and auger to death, during harsh maneuvering)
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The views are horrible, but the long time lobbying for customizable headpositions have been finally recognized, and 1C states that they will have the feature available in their next upcoming sim title "BoB". (No plans for FB/AEP series though :( )
The lack of 6 views is overdone, but considering the leniency of AH 6 views is also overdone, I think it's pretty much manageable.
The good part, is that you are forced to check left rear sides and right rear sides individually - it adds a lot to both immersion and tactics. It's really quite an amazing feeling to see tracers fly past you - you turn to one side, find the enemy behind you. You turn to other side and check again and see the enemy isn't there! The adrenaline rush of impending doom, and searching for the enemy position in deep panic, is quite sensational.
For hat key users, I recommend you change the snap view speed in the conf.ini file. It is the category "HookViewSpeed". The default value is 6 I think.
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As for low speed FM.. frankly, I think AH is way more stable than AEP - it's really fun to watch people stalling SpitVs out of the sky being chased by a Bf109F-4!! When's the last time I saw a SpitV having trouble outturning 109s, I can't even remember - the situation regarding speed and stability is more subtle, and I think that's pretty neat.
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And the best thing is the gunnery. Yes, some planes can hit out to 400meters even in FB/AEP. But for real results, it's still a good idea to shoot between the distances of 100m~200m.
I've taken special interest in regards to how the "Dweebfire" phenomenon would be manifested in FB/AEP as it introduced SpitVs, including 1943, '44 versions. Well, according to a week of intense MP playing since AEP came out, the SpitV in FB/AEP is nothing like what it is in AH - it's very unpopular.
I think I can claim that I was right, when I assumed that the "Dweebplane" accusations in AH regarding planes like the N1K2 or the Spitfires, is due to AH gunnery allowing critical hits at 400yards~700yards distances.
In FB, the planes like the Hurri2C or the SpitV, despite their powerful cannons(Hispanos are pretty deadly in FB/AEP, too!!), are just simply too slow to come within 300m of faster enemy fighters. Over 300m distance, most people generally can't do any critical damage - and the wing armament makes it even worse. (Another good thing about FB/AEP - the differences between central armament and wing armament really really stands out).
If they set out the cannons to far distances in convergence, it becomes a real handful to hit something when they are close!
Some of these things, I'd very much like to see in AH.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Hmm..
I've seen people say the AI cheats, or has a simplified FM.
But I've been in the UBI forums since the days of IL-2 demo, and I've never heard any official word from anyone that the AI cheats. IIRC, Oleg himself has said the AI does not used simplified or 'cheat' FM.. :o
Hehe, You should have been in beta forums mate ... or talked with one of the developers. The AI fly with a simplified flight model.
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Pei, Batz, and Hristo thanks for the reply.....definately going to look into it. Sounds like something I could use!
Addendum: Ya got me ......I just ordered TrackIR
What an idiot....have a Battle Chair with HOTAS Pads, the whole CH USB HOTAS setup....and now TrackIR.
IF someone didn't know me.......they'd think I was into flight sims.
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Yea, I might take a look at it too, although for 100-odd bucks probably not.
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Originally posted by Hajo
Pei, Batz, and Hristo thanks for the reply.....definately going to look into it. Sounds like something I could use!
Addendum: Ya got me ......I just ordered TrackIR
What an idiot....have a Battle Chair with HOTAS Pads, the whole CH USB HOTAS setup....and now TrackIR.
IF someone didn't know me.......they'd think I was into flight sims.
Hajo
you just need one of these:
http://www.ivibe.com
(http://www.ivibe.com/images/vrf/main_tfsu.gif)
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Eagler......gee thanks. (I think)
Now something more to think about. Gotta check credit card balances.
Arghhhhhhhhhhh
(Puts blinders on and Eagler on ignore list) :D
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Originally posted by Hajo
Pei, Batz, and Hristo thanks for the reply.....definately going to look into it. Sounds like something I could use!
Addendum: Ya got me ......I just ordered TrackIR
What an idiot....have a Battle Chair with HOTAS Pads, the whole CH USB HOTAS setup....and now TrackIR.
IF someone didn't know me.......they'd think I was into flight sims.
Battle Chair??? have you got a pic?
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Schaden......will take a picture of setup and post.
Can see the battlechair at Battlechair.com
Bought it about two years ago......uses sound to simulate feeling.
Has Hotas Pads on each adjustable arm...and the Pads are adjustable.
To tell you the truth.....I thought it would be better then it is.
If I had the option again....I wouldn't purchase one.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Yea, I might take a look at it too, although for 100-odd bucks probably not.
There's a cheaper way to get the same effect using a web can. I forget what its called but search the ubi forum.
There's also "newview". I haven't tried but it look interesting. Search UBI as well for info.
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the VRF pad is cheaper than that chair and is quiet
the motors in it (6 zones) are strong enough to feel like someone punching you when they are turned up too high
it is sound triggered & adjustable so you feel everything you can hear from take off/landings to stalls to flak burst to pings, even bomb bursts when you are in the tower - very cool
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Originally posted by Batz
There's a cheaper way to get the same effect using a web can. I forget what its called but search the ubi forum.
There's also "newview". I haven't tried but it look interesting. Search UBI as well for info.
fb is a different game when I have my Tracker 2 on, got one a couple of weeks ago. you have to get used to it for sure and I have stick configured to center and turn it off/on when I go in for a shot or doing alot of t&b - neat addition, great for zooming in on the instruments, makes you feel like you are sitting in a plane with the movement.
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The AI definitely uses a simplified FM... in fact, thats where the Il2compare gets its data from, which is why using data from that program as an argument to say theres a bias, or a plane is overmodelled, is stupid.
How many times have you seen the AI go into insta-E loss. Impossible to do with the human controlled aircraft unless you drop an airbrake, full flaps and your landing gear... then you still won't get the same Top Gun "hit the brakes and watch him fly by" effect.
Then theres the AI "stall" where you see vapor trails coming off the end of the wingtips, but the plane is going about 120kph and dropping at the rate of 100m/s. That simply can't be done in a human controlled plane.
Oleg has definitely said that the AI uses a simplified FM, I don't remember where or when - but he said thats one of the biggest reasons the AI isn't effected by the damage model like a human controlled plane and they don't follow the normal physics routine that the human controlled plane does.
For views, I just use a trackball mouse attached to my joystick. Works great, cost me nothing, and has both smooth panning for looking around the sky or snapping really quick around the cockpit to spot an aircraft I know is nearby.
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No, I meant the human controlled planes don't bleed off speed very fast. It is extraordinarily difficult to bleed off enough speed to cause someone on your dead 6 about 600 yards back to overshoot.
In AH it is relatively easy, but you'll probably get shot doing it. In IL-2 it seems to be damn near impossible.
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In Fb guys have figured thing like full flaps and trim down as an air break. You will see them close fast then bleed quickly and lock onto you. With out retract flaps in ah its impossible. I have even seen guys drop their gear to bleed.
I think the biggest thing is though in AH most attackers come in at full speed/throttle. Where in FB slower speeds mean less overshots. But I dunno.
One thing I like about FB those is in a 109 you can zoom and do a verticle tight barrel roll then wing over and come right back down dropping the hammer. The barrel roll keeeps pulling for a gun solution and they bleed out. In AH unless you keep about d800 in a zoom you are dead from spray and pray.
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Like Batz said, gunnery is different, not to mention people can use flaps and gears earlier than AH. Also, generally, the speeds people are flying in are a bit lower than in AH. So, if you are going for overshoots from 600yards(let's say 600m) in FB or AEP, then I think you're doing it little too early, Urchin. Try to lure them in within 400 meters. You'd be dead if it were AH, but not in FB/AEP.
Also, FB/AEP pilots have a habit of throttling down, momentarily engaging flaps, lowering RPM, etc etc. to saddle behind the enemy perfectly without overshooting - even against better maneuvering planes. That's not such a good idea in AH, but it's generally what happens in FB/AEP. So, you can try something that's pretty hard to work in AH - fake an overshoot move, make the enemy behind you slow down, and then, suddenly go into full acceleration and accelerate away. It works against slower and more maneuverable planes.
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The "insta E loss", is a simple skid maneuver.
The AI usually uses it while going into a Split-S. Simply, pull the tighest split-S, with very low throttle and full rudder input. If the chasing plane is unaware of this fact, he follows the Split-S, gains too much E, and overshoots dumbfoundedly. Used to happen to me all the time, too. Nowadays, I don't need full flaps and air brakes to counter it. I can be gaining on the AI plane, and then see it going into a Split-S. I simply lower throttle, push full rudder, and follow the AI.
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Been doing most playing offline until I get the FM down.
When gaining a guns solution I find myself throttling back...dropping flaps, just as stated in previous posts.
Usually doing this in an A9....however I've engaged to much flap
and have had them stick in postion...to fast for say takeoff or landing position on flaps.
Finally learned to hit the runway when landing. Now all I've got to do is make sure the wheels hit first:)
Great Sim....gunnery, damage model, and graphics far and away the best I've seen.
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Just got the Il2:FB Gold (AEP included) for $26 + $4 shipping from Newegg.com.
So, could anyone point to all the little goodies like ini settings, campaign generators, etc. that I should have?
Thanks.
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http://www.greatergreen.com/il2/default.htm
http://216.176.86.154/IL2/fb/fb_campaigns.htm
http://www.lowengrin.com/news.php
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/cemguide/intro.htm
http://www.onemorewild.org/huxley/
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?loc=downloads&page=downloads&FileType=il2
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Been having a blast with AEP since it came out.
I love the P51-B, the Spitfire and the Lightning, all great planes and awesome to look at.
When do you guys fly? Is there like an AH AEP users server or anything like that?
Blue